What the hell is Error -127? It's related to the Eudora crash. I tried to delete all the old Eudora stuff, but when I (try to) empty the trash, I get this msg for one remaining Eudora file. How can I delete it? It's not locked, it's not in use. Norton keeps trying to tell me to fix it but it won't fix. I know it won't matter a hundred years from now, but at this moment in time, in Brattleboro Vermont, it's making me mental.
Thanks for the advice on Disk Warrior. I'll definitely get it. For now all I have is Norton. Any advice is welcome.
Rachel Rice:
Any advice is welcome.
Download Outlook Express from Microsoft and dump Eudora. She's worn out and sickly. Outlook Express is free, fast, and it'll import all the Eudora stuff for you, contacts etc. If you ever buy Office 2001 you'll get Entourage, which is even better.
Paul Jagnow:
Rachel:
Any advice is welcome.
Download Outlook Express from Microsoft and dump Eudora. She's worn out and
sickly. Outlook Express is free, fast, and it'll import all the Eudora stuff
for you, contacts etc. If you ever buy Office 2001 you'll get Entourage, which
is even better./
Rachel, if you follow the above advice, make sure that your virus protection is up-to-date. Then, make it a weekly practice to visit the virus protection website to make sure that you get all the new virus definitions. Back everything up, probably daily.
Those who follow the virus news are aware that Outlook Express is one huge security hole, allowing kids with high-school BASIC and VBA courses to write viruses which will run cross-platform.
Remember "I Love You"? Remember "Melissa"? Both were Outlook viruses.
Each has spawned its own offspring, so you'll need to keep up with the news.
As a Eudora user, I've not had to worry about them -- to me, that's worth some of the hassle with Eudora.
For other alternatives, check
http://www.macorchard.com
That site keeps fairly up-to-date on the variety of programs which allow you
to send and receive email, as well as a host of other Internet applications.
George Casler:
Remember "I Love You"? Remember "Melissa"? Both were Outlook
viruses.
For Windows users, maybe. Mac users had no problem with them.
Paul Jagnow:
Remember "I Love You"? Remember "Melissa"?
Both were Outlook viruses.
For Windows users, maybe. Mac users had no problem with them.
At http://www.symantec.com/avcenter/venc/data/melissa.html is Symantec's write-up about Melissa. It was identified by searching the Virus Encyclopedia using the search term "Macintosh."
I have never used Outlook on my Mac because of its known security problems. I assumed that since Symantec had issued a virus definition for Melissa on the Macintosh, that Melissa affected the Mac.
If I was incorrect, I apologize for making that unwarranted assumption.
Paul Jagnow:
Download Outlook Express from Microsoft and dump Eudora. She's worn out and
sickly. Outlook Express is free, fast, and it'll import all the Eudora stuff
for you, contacts etc. If you ever buy Office 2001 you'll get Entourage, which
is even better.
Sorry, Eudora may be a little more techie than Entourage or OE, but there's no way I'd chance my 350Mb of mail (not counting attachments) in either of those two. And I want unfussy access to untampered email headers when necessary. And the split-pane default isn't actually any good for my way of working, I *need* multiple mailbox and mail windows, working in the ordinary Mac OS manner. Curvy and slick it may not look, but sickly it aint!
Those MS products aren't bad by any means, but there's far too much of the traditional "I know what's best for you" in them for my tastes.
And how can I emulate the benefits of the SuperSleek Eudora plugin? That thing gives me extended 'x-header' elements (look at this mail header for a simple example), and allows editing of the 'from' field for outgoing email - vital for some of my spam-killing efforts. (As opposed to spammer-killing, which ought to be a national sport. ;-) There's lots more cool/nerdy/useful stuff SuperSleek does as well, but I'll stop here.
Rachel Rice:
What the hell is Error -127? It's related to the Eudora crash. I tried to
delete all the old Eudora stuff, but when I (try to) empty the trash, I get
this msg for one remaining Eudora file. How can I delete it?
Beats me what the error message means, but have you tried emptying the trash with the Option (or is it the Shift?) key held down? Good luck!!
Holding down Opt key doesn't work. I tried taking it out of the trash, quitting
Eudora, trashing it again. Still won't delete. Keep getting same msg.
I've used Outlook Express and disliked it, even after giving it a good long try. I will try it again though.
Are there any utilities that will delete undeletable files?
Rachel:
What the hell is Error -127? It's related to the Eudora crash. I
tried to delete all the old Eudora stuff, but when I (try to) empty the trash,
I get this msg for one remaining Eudora file. How can I delete it? It's not
locked, it's not in use. Norton keeps trying to tell me to fix it but it won't
fix. I know it won't matter a hundred years from now, but at this moment in
time, in Brattleboro Vermont, it's making me mental.
I found the following website that defines most of the error codes, but does
not tell you how to fix the problems. One of the -127 definitions is: "internal
file system error."
http://www.nd.edu/~madmacs/macref.html
I don't use Eudora. Have you tried closing Eudora and then deleting the file? Is that possible?
Rachel Rice:
What the hell is Error -127? It's related to the Eudora crash. I tried to
delete all the old Eudora stuff, but when I (try to) empty the trash, I get
this msg for one remaining Eudora file. How can I delete it? It's not locked,
it's not in use. Norton keeps trying to tell me to fix it but it won't fix.
Nobody knows. Apple undoubtedly has a comprehensive list of error messages and their explanations somewhere, but my limited experience with their tech. support people convinces me that it's hidden where only Steve Jobs can find it. Ditto for the explanation of what all those damned extensions in your system folder do. Odds are from what you've said that the file system can't properly find the file and all its many contents, scattered about your hard disk, and when it tries, it encounters an error.
Two thoughts: First, try rebooting your computer, and when it starts up again, hold down the Command and Option keys. This will rebuild your desktop, and will likely fix the problem. (Try deleting the file now.) Second (if that doesn't work), you can sometimes do an end run around the operating system with a little ingenuity. In this case, try opening SimpleText (any other software will do, but ST is easiest and less likely to backfire on you) and creating a new file. It can be empty if you wish. Do a "Save as", and give it exactly the same name as the problem file. If you're lucky, the new file will replace the old one and the problem will go away. (If you're unlucky, SimpleText will crash big-time and you'll have to try something else.)
Geoff Hart:
Rachel Rice:
What the hell is Error -127? It's related to the Eudora
crash. I tried to delete all the old Eudora stuff, but when
I (try to) empty the trash, I get this msg for one remaining
Eudora file. How can I delete it? It's not locked,
it's not in use. Norton keeps trying to tell me to fix it but it won't
fix.
Nobody knows. Apple undoubtedly has a comprehensive list of error messages
and their explanations somewhere, but my limited experience with their tech.
support people convinces me that it's hidden where only Steve Jobs can find
it. Ditto for the explanation of what all those damned extensions in your
system folder do.
Time to get serious here. ('scuse me while I put on my technical editor hat.)
http://www.vortex.uk.com/macuser/ should help with error messages a bit (although not directly with this one) and what those damned extensions (and control panels) are for. For serious information you need a copy of Black & Bleu, from http://www.bleurose.com/
Error -127 is dsHMenuFindErr, which means the software in question 'couldn't find HMenu's parent in MenuKey'. In general terms this is a 'non-hardware internal filesystem error'. Which means, in English, that the directory for your hard disk is damaged, and when you try to do something with that particular file you hit the part of the directory which is compromised. Here's what to do:
* First, thank your lucky stars that the damage isn't (yet) any worse.
* Then check your backups. Haven't made any in living memory, like most of the human race? <g> Go make one now, at least of your most important files and Internet settings.
* Then try Norton Utilities again. If that doesn't work, then I'm very sorry to have to tell you you need to spend more money... on Disk Warrior. But if you do need to, it'll be worth it. (Really and truly.) http://www.alsoft.com/
If Norton can't fix this and you don't want to spend more on software, make a backup of everything (except that file), check it *carefully* and consider making another, then erase the hard disk.
Odds are from what you've said that the file system can't properly find the file and all its many contents, scattered about your hard disk, and when it tries, it encounters an error.
This is pretty much accurate. And the problem is *not* trivial.
I'm afraid that any tricks for replacing the file aren't likely to be effective. You *must* address this as soon as possible, or you may well end up with a very serious directory failure which could lose you the entire contents of your hard disk. These problems tend to escalate unless fixed.
keith martin:
Then try Norton Utilities again. If that doesn't work, then I'm very sorry
to have to tell you you need to spend more money... on Disk Warrior. But if
you do need to, it'll be worth it. (Really and truly.)
Keith provides absolutely the best advice to come down the pike in this thread. Disk Warrior doesn't apply Band-Aids to a damaged directory. It makes an entirely new one, with user safeguards in place.
We run three different diagnostic programs, but DiskWarrior is the patron saint of lost causes. My directory went south this week and DiskWarrior saved the day.
Keith,
Thanks for the bad news <big grin>. I do back up fairly regularly, and have mulitple copies of my most imporant files, but I just backed up everything again. Unfort, the only backup medium I have at the moment is my destktop computer, which isn't too stable, either, but I can leave that untouched for the next week until I figure out what to do when I get back from Florida. I think I will do the following:
Get Disk Warrior and hope that works.
Get a CDRW drive so I can make full backups to a stable medium.
Do a full backup.
If DW doesn't fix, I'll bite the bullet and reformat my hard drive. The thing that's most aggravating is not having time to do it.