Lucky gave me a ring at about a quarter past nine on Friday, February 2. She apologized for calling late, but that didn't bother me at all. I was just surfing the net and taking in the news at wow-fan.com, among other places, and had set aside a block of time for her that was totally informal and open to her schedule. She might have been two hours late and I would have been just as fine with it.

I found Lucky to be a pleasant and forthcoming interviewee. I was afraid that my first foray into interviewing wrestling women about a month earlier had spoiled me, as Jungle Grrrl totally carried me through it with thoughtful and comprehensive responses that thoroughly veiled how clueless I was at it.

What is it about these wrestling babes, anyway? So physical and exciting in the super-hyped fantasy world of the arena, and yet so charming and real in life? Lucky would fit right in. I guess I'm just a sucker for a pretty face and a sexy voice, not to mention a girl who could just as easily put you through a table as look at you! They're just irresistable and deadly, I guess.

We talked for a couple of minutes in a get to know you kind of way, which was good because it allowed me to get accustomed to her accent and the inflections of her voice (very necessary when trying to understand someone on the phone). Lucky was just as enthusiastic, opinionated and interesting as she comes across in her commentaries on her main site. I really enjoyed chatting with her, and I have no doubt that a young lady with her ambition can have everything she wants in this world. Enjoy my quality time with Lucky. I know I did.

(P) I just kind of wanted to ease into stuff. How did you-?

(L) How did I get interested in wrestling?

(P) Yeah, I mean even as a kid, was there a particular wrestler or an event?

(L) You are going to be so shocked when you hear this. Cyndi Lauper. Ok, I went to the grocery store one time in the early to mid-eighties and I saw this magazine with her on the cover with this big guy with blond hair and a blond mustache and a yellow tank top and a cross around his neck, and he was holding her. When I saw her I was like, oh cool, daddy buy me that. It's Cyndi Lauper. So, he bought the magazine of course, because I'm his only daughter. And, I was looking through it and there were all of these big, huge burly guys. You know, Ric Flair and The Road Warrior and I'm like ok, this is interesting.

(P) So that was Lou Albano?

(L) Yeah,  no, but it was Hulk Hogan on the cover. I did not know that. I had no clue who Hulk Hogan was, or who any of these guys were. I just liked Cyndi Lauper. So, I was flipping through the tube one day and I saw the guy who was on the magazine. I was like, I wonder what this is. Then, we moved down here in about '85 to Charleston, South Carolina. And I was watching the tube again, and instead of watching the WWF I was watching something called NWA, which is what WCW used to be back in the day. And there was this guy named Tully Blanchard, and he had this blond lady on his arm. Her name was Baby Doll. I was 12 years old at the time, and it didn't take me but two seconds to figure out what I wanted to do the rest of my life. Just looking at Baby Doll, I wanted to be what Baby Doll was. I wanted to be a valet.

(P) I've seen some pictures of Baby Doll at some other wrestling sites that showed some older things. Maybe you pointed me there that one time?

(L) Probably, yeah. I think I might have sent you a link or something. The thing about Baby Dolly, she was out in '85. Liz came in in '86. So, she's not the first lady of wrestling. Baby Doll is.

(P) Alright, so how do your parents, your family, your friends how do they feel about all of this?

(L) Oh, they're so not supportive it's not even funny. Oh, nobody in my family likes wrestling at all. They think it's stupid. They think the men are ugly, and when I'm at my dad's house I get sent to the back bedroom to watch it. So, that's how my family feels about wrestling.

(P) But, they're not worried about the danger, you know?

(L) Oh no, that's not their main concern. They're just like, how can you want to do that, it's so stupid? I get that all the time from my mother. She's not the most supportive person in the family. You'd think she would be, but, no, she's not.

(P) She probably don't want to see her baby get hurt.

(L) No, I don't think so. I just think she hates wrestling.

(P) That's like my wife. She makes me go to the other room too.

(L) Awww.

(P) But, you know, small sacrafices.

(L) Yes, very small. But, my dad will watch with me sometimes, like when my stepmother and nobody else is home, right. But, we don't watch WOW here.

(P) Really?

(L) Yeah, because we don't get it down in Charleston. But, when I was up there, you know, for vacation about a month ago, he was like, hey Nickey come here. I was like, hey cool, this is WOW. I used to get GLOW, and
that helped me want to get into wrestling as well, because I wanted to be a GLOW girl. So, that was also when I was about 12.

(P) A long time ago now, like in the mid-eighties.

(L) Oh yes, I used to love GLOW.

(P) Who were your favorites?

(L) Uh, Spike and Chainsaw, the Heavy Metal Sisters.

(P) Yeah, I remember them. I used to like Sally the Farmer's Daughter.

(L) What is it with him and The Farmer's Daughter? Sally The Farmer's Daughter, then he had Amy The Farmer's Daughter, and now he has Beckie The Farmer's Daughter.

(P) Yeah, I know. And the Jungle Grrrl thing. Those are like the only two characters that have kind of carried over from GLOW.

(L) I don't remember a Jungle Grrrl back then.

(P) Jungle Woman. Ya know, the little skinny--

(L) Oh, that's right. She came out after it went off the air down here. I've seen web pictures of her.

(P) But, I think it's a lot more legitimate now.

(L) Yeah, they had comedy skits in between the matches for God's sake.

(P) ... and the stupid singing and dancing.

(L) Hey, I liked the singing and dancing.

(P) I know I watched it each and every week.

(L) Me too. Every Saturday night at eleven o'clock. I was right in front of the television.

(P) It was on two stations here. Then one, then it was gone.

(L) I wonder why they did that. I was so mad.

(P) It died a slow death. I read that when they tried to take the show on the road and it was so financially taxing on the show that it went bankrupt. They just couldn't draw the fans outside of Las Vegas. And I think that is
what they are afraid of with WOW now, you know. They are trying to take baby steps. Ok, let's move on to another question here. Are you involved in any other sports?

(L) No, not really. In high school, me and my best friend were in gym class, and on Friday's we had a choice between volleyball, basketball, and ping-pong. One day playing volleyball I got smacked in the face with the
ball. Then the back of the the head, and my leg. It wasn't a good feeling,  trust me. The thing is, I had bright red lipstick on. So, the ball would have lipstick smeared all over it. So no, I'm not that athletic.

(P) But, you've been working out, though. I saw that in your commentary today.

(L) Oh yeah, today I finally re-did my regimine. Fifteen minutes walking, then I do the bottom part of me. Then fifteen minutes more walking, And tomorrow, I am going to do fifteen minutes walking, then an upper body workout, followed by fifteen minutes more walking again. Because, doing everything in one day, over and over and over, is beginning to kill me. I woke up yesterday and was like, oh no, no thank you.

(P) Have you just started doing that?

(L) I started going to the gym last summer, but then I fell out of it. So I was like, I'm going to get back into it. I thought, I might as well take about two hours time, walking the treadmill and working out.

(P) That kind of leads into another question. I mean, what kind of sacrafices is this going to cost you?

(L) Well, my body for one.

(P) But, I mean, your job. What kind of work do you do?

(L) I write papers for people at home, because I cannot be a nine to fiver. I like to keep later hours.

(P) That's cool. Is there a school by there?

(L) Yeah, there's a couple of colleges. The place where my mother works is a Medical college. And so, a lot of her friends who are working with her
now are going to school. So, she's like, honey can you do this? And, I'm like, yeah for a buck twenty five a page I'll do anything. It does get pricey.

(P) Yeah, I guess for like a thesis or something?

(L) Yeah.

(P) Ok, let's move on to another question. You said that you are willing to take bumps. I know you said you are basically concentrating on being a valet---

(L) Right, but unlike Liz and Kim and Torrie I'll take bumps without bitching and whining about it. I don't care if it's the clothesline from hell.

(P) Do you see yourself getting into, you know, singles matches and stuff?

(L) Yes, I do! And, I kind of like with Stephanie because, you know, she is Vince's daughter and, you know, both she and her brother take hellacious bumps. I mean, I have never seen in a girl in the WWF that takes a bump like that. She takes it from the Rock, 'Taker, Angle. I mean, there was one night when HHH and Angle were fighting over Stephanie and they were
actually bumping Stephanie the whole time. It was like, wow, you know. I'm telling you right now, she is THE best heel female in the business.

(P) She's a bitch. No doubt about it.

(L) I mean, she's not like that in real life.

(P) But, maybe she is.

(L) No, but she plays it so well. You always do believe it, you know? Her father and her brother also. I know they say HHH is the best heel in the business, and it might be true. But, I feel that the McMahons are the best
heels in the business. I mean, maybe not Vince because he's got this, 'I wanna be a fair guy' angle going. And, Shane's God knows where right now. But Stephanie just kills me. I want to be the best heel I can be. I want to
be right up there, if not past, Stephanie McMahon when I get in the business. I want to be the biggest bitch in the business.

(P) Cool!

(L) I want to hear why people JUST GOT LUCKY!

Note: I was kind of overwhelmed by how Lucky said this, and even though I didn't have much to say in response it really gave me some real feeling of how passionate and focused she was on what she wanted to do. The way she said that was more impressive than can be portrayed in text, let's put it that way.

(P) I know that Vince with his wife lately has been totally ruthless.

(L) I feel bad for Linda. Because, she is the only one in that family that doesn't do the heel thing.

(P) Yeah, and she creates matches now and then.

(L) That's right.

(P) She comes across as a nice lady.

(L) She probably is. They probably all are. It's just that they're so damn good at what they do.

(P) It seems like Stephanie has more of him in her.

(L) I think, both his kids. I mean, the way Shane gets off, ya know. I mean, in the one pay per view he went off, I think it was a 70 foot climb and I was like damn.

(P) So, they do work for it.

(L) Oh yes. And Vince can even take a bump. I just don't like it when women like Liz and Kim, and more recently Torrie and Pamela Paulshock, whine and complain about having to take bumps for, in Pam's case, a job in a bikini contest.

(P) Ya know, personally, I like to see the ladies get in there and mix it up.

(L) Me too. I mean, that is one of the things I miss about WCW now. I mean, ever since Russo left, they do nothing but stand around. You know,  very rarely did Tylene mix it up with Paisley or Tygress, and you've really only had one women's match since Russo left. That New Blood match between Tylene and Stacey, which is one of the best matches WCW has had in a while.

(P) I didn't get that PPV (Wish I had!!!!!!!!!). But, I saw all the heat. And even Miss Hancock was even getting physical, and I like that.

(L) Right, right.

(P) I mean, I don't even care for Tori.

(L) Torrie Wilson or Tori from the WWF?

(P) The WWF.

(L) Well, right now she is out with an injury. Remember, because she went through a table? The Dudley's, remember? She was injured during that match. You could tell she was injured during that match, because she took one bump and they put her through the table again. So, now she's Raven's driver.  But, no, Tori from the WWF has affected me, because I was watching this one show on cable when DX was feuding with the Dudleys and she came off the top rope with a high cross body and put both Bubba Ray and herself through a table. So, yeah, she affected me.

(P) (the wrestling fool) Yeah, well, she's a bad example. I guess Torrie Wilson is more what I am saying.

(L) Right. She went on that (E!) show and talked about how people don't want to see women in the ring. Right, that's Torrie Wilson. The fitness model. No, she hasn't done nothing a day in her life, Torrie Wilson. She's from the fitness world and Nash found her, and supposedly Nash is going to bring her back.

(P) Oh, I heard that they had already hired her back. That's old, that was a rumor on some board.

(L) I hope they don't bring her back.  Because, she's about useless.  I remember a ppv match with her and Douglas, who I can't stand either, between Konnan and Tygress.  Tygress did ninety percent of the work in that match.
Torrie was hardly in that match for 2 seconds,  Douglas got the finisher on Konnan and they got the win.  Hello?

Not wishing to bring up any more names Lucky can smack me around with, I change the subject

(P) Ok, so are there any particular moves you like?

(L) Hmmm. The worm. I don't know why, but I love the worm. I like most of Mona's moves, or should I say Molly Holly now. I do miss her, though, because if you notice watching her lately you don't see the handspring elbow. Have you noticed that?

(P) No, she hasn't been doing that.

(L) And I'm thinking, I wonder if it is because of Chyna. She hasn't done it since she's gone to the WWF, so I am wondering if that is why Nora doesn't do it.

(P) Because it's considered Chyna's move?

(L) Right. Also, I like table matches. I don't know why, but I'm always like 'get the tables'. I would like to do a table match, I really would. I also love the clothesline from hell, for obvious reasons of course (Bradshaw?).

(P) Would you agree though, like the last few days I have been in discussions with like Bret and Litafan on the Molly board about the way Molly has been used lately… that she has been misused?

(L) I do. I view it as the WCW all over again. I mean, they build her up there for a while and then, boom. She gets jobbed by Tori dressed up as a mystery woman. I mean, of course the RTC is going to get involved in the match. That's just part of their angle. But, you would think they would continue the feud (with Ivory) instead of having Lita and Jackie into it now. You would think they would continue with Molly. So, yeah, I do agree with that.

(P) Molly was so spectacular at the beginning. She was just great.

(L) And everyone was like 'Yeah, Yeah, Yeah'. Now, it's like, well what's happening?

(P) It's like she's jobbing to these other girls…

(L) Like to, get this, The Kat! In Memphis Championship Wrestling.

(P) It's ridiculous. I don't know. I'm probably overzealous about it because I think she's great. But…

(L) I agree.

(P) I know Litafan and Bret are probably right. I mean, she has to pay her dues…

(L) Yeah, but she has paid her dues. Think about it. Look at what she went through in WCW. She paid her dues. I'm sorry. The dues are paid! I mean, Nora isn't going to cry about it for herself….

(P) I agree %100. I mean, I think she's the best female wrestler in the world right now…

(L) Right now…

(P) I mean until you come along :) .

(L) Exaclty!

(P) I know you love Molly, but who else do you admire?

(L) Tylene (Major Gunns). I really feel for her right now. I mean, do you remember between her interviewing days and the MIA?

(P) Not really.

(L) Well, she was off TV for a while. And she said she just sat down crying because she loved it so much. When she got into the MIA, she was just completely thrilled. So, my heart just goes out to her because of what WCW did to her (Tylene Buck was released from her WCW contract on 02/01/01). Of course, I like those girls… Um, The Dudley's. I don't know why I like the Dudley's, I just like the Dudleys.

(P) Because you like table matches?

(L) Of course. Table matches. And, of course, the APA. Gotta give it up to my boys in the APA. And, I like Kee Wee. I like Kee Wee for some reason. Also,  I like Paisley

(P) Really?

(L) Yes, I do.

(P) I saw some pictures on the WCW site of Kee Wee with the Reds, because you know I am a big Reds fan. The Reds are bunch of wrestling fans, like Sean Casey, Danny Graves and Dmitri Young. They were loving it when Kee Wee stopped by the clubhouse and took some pictures.

(L) Where in Ohio are you?

(P) Cincinnati. I'm about three miles from the stadium.

(L) I used to live in Columbus. But, getting back to the subject, I could say a couple WOW girls. But, because I don't get it that much I don't see what happens.

(P) Right.

(L) So, I hope that after this Sunday I will be able to say a little more in my commentary. Because of the fact, I will be watching the ppv.

(P) That's great, because I'm going to get it too.

(L) Oh, I knew you would. Because, when they showed Jungle Grrrl I thought of you, ya know? I know you're a big Jungle Grrrl fan.

(P) She's tough.

(L) That's why I sent you that pic the other day.

(P) Well, you know, not everyone cares for her. I think they want to put her across as a wrestler who ain't a heel or a face, but I think she's the best kind of heel. Some people complain that she's stiff, or doesn't sell. But Jungle Grrrl is all good by me. She kicks ass in the ring.

(L) Well, you know who doesn't sell is Madusa. I heard that when she was training, all the girls complained because she was very stiff with them. I don't know if I could do all those top rope moves Jungle Grrrl does because I'm scared of heights.

(P) Well some of the other good wrestlers in WOW, like Riot…

(L) Riot got put through a table, by Danger.

(P) No, your thinking of Terri Gold.

(L) No, Riot. Because Riot was supposed to face Gold for the title. But, Danger was like no way, take this former tag team pardna… BAM!!!!

(P) Oh yeah (ignorance rears it's head again). You're right. But, Riot is really good about playing to the fans and stuff.

(L) Oh yeah. That's what you have to do in the business, too. You can't just stand there like a twig. You have to play the fans. Whether you're a heel or a face, you have to do something. And, you see, when WCW turned Tylene heel they basically spun away from her. When she was a face in MIA, she basically played to the fans by ripping off her tank top. That was her way of playing the fans. Then when they made her turn heel she just stood there and did nothing.

(P) Basically, just stand there and point at people and clap.

(L) Exactly. I mean, what was her catch phrase. 'Don't blame Canada, blame yourself.'