Certainly we may consider historical events as the base of today's events. Nevertheless, we need to set our events correctly on the historical years of the "seventy" from Jeremiah and Daniel. I do not see their foundation firm enough to endure my objections.
Let us look at their theories to see if they will fall under my logical or biblical view.
Did God make blueprints before any realization of His ideas? If God created us, He had some
purpose and so He had some plan.
If we have been created in His image (1:27), and we make blueprints, then His plan for the
Millennium and the Messiah's Coming have existed, at least from the fall of the mankind. bib1
If setting our world had God's timing - days of Creation, then God's timing for its conclusion is more necessary because more complicated situations are at the end. As we are not sure how long lasted God's day in the Creation, so we cannot set time or times for God's project at the end. log1
As God created man in His own image so the conclusion of Creation must run according His own project (his image). It must be His Book having His writing and not leave the God's Throne. Hence we call It the Heavenly Book.
Should the Heavenly Book's timing depend on a group's evil deeds for which God issued the seventy-year verdict? Should the Heavenly Book's time period depend on few individuals? If kingdoms of God's people fell because of a few kings' unfaithfulness, then the time for vengeance is here because of them. Should the Heavenly Book's timing in Revelation hang on because of a few people?log2
The Heavenly Book cannot influence a small part of the human population, as was the case for Judah's Kingdom. It is for the entire world, including all Christians because the Christ will rule the Earth.bib2
God commanded His people to honor Him. Punishment for rejecting God could be applied to
only a few generations. God says: "I will send punishment on the children for the wrongdoing
of their fathers, to the third and fourth generation of my haters." (Exodus 20:5)
It is preached in 99.9% of the churches that the Heavenly Book from Revelation means a
tribulation on the earth. Teachers and others frighten us by the Heavenly Book (the Apocalypse).
In this sense, books and films brainwash us. If they believe that the Heavenly Book is a
continuation of "seventy", then they declare a continuation of God's punishment started by
Jeremiah. It also means God punishes sons for their ancient fathers' sins till the conclusion of
the Heavenly Book.
This does not conform to God's covenant--the first commandment--with the people. bib3
Certainly, the verse could be spoken only to Israeli descendants. Are the Christian descendants
of Israel? If God would punish a sister or brother because they are descendants, still this could
not apply to everyone, not to those who are from other nations.
Therefore, no one can equal the Heavenly Book from written words about punishment in the Old Testament.
"As soon as you began to pray, an answer was given, which I have come to tell you, for you
are highly esteemed. Therefore, consider the message and understand the vision: "Seventy
'sevens' are decreed for your people and your holy city to finish transgression, to put an
end to sin, to atone for wickedness, to bring in everlasting righteousness, to seal up vision
and prophecy and to anoint the most holy." (Daniel 9:23-24)
Gabriel's main explanation was that the "seventy" should be understood as seventy times seven.
Once is seventy, and then seventy times seven. A carnal mind could understand they are two
different terms, as teachers of the end times publish it. However, the Bible tells us Daniel
thought about Jeremiah's "seventy", (Daniel 9:2) and Gabriel appeared because of Jeremiah's "seventy".
Therefore, biblically when "seventy sevens" began, there were "seventy". Or Daniel's "seventy"
started at Jeremiah's "seventy". To use other data for counting these "seventies" becomes
unbiblical.bib5
As changing a dollar bill in coins still keeps the value of a dollar, so bringing understanding of one God's statement never destroy it.
We know that timing earthly and heavenly exist. "Kairos" in the Gospels means for instance: the
time of Christ's Coming. Jerusalem did not acknowledge kairos, that the Messiah had come
(Luke 19:44), and therefore Jerusalem fell. The Lord Jesus said that people understood times of
seasons and climax but did not understand the kairos of the Christ's Coming. (Luke 12:55 and
Matthew 16:3) John the Baptist said the kairos had come and the Kingdom of God was near.
In these words, there was a Heavenly meaning of the word "time" that was hidden from people.
I conclude that units of time for the Christ's coming are Heavenly units and they are different
from Earth units.bib7 (Also, the space-time associated with the theory of relativity and Earth's
time.)
Words about happenings on earth are written in another book called the Book of Truth. (Daniel 10:21) I conclude if the Book of Truth exists for the earth, and there is earthly timing, then Heavenly times must exist for the Heavenly Book.bib8
Many teachers say the Heavenly Book is still not opened. That means, according to Revelation 5, the Heavenly Book is not in Christ's hands. Then determining the time period for the Heavenly Book before Christ Jesus received it is admitting that the Heavenly Book went first into human hands. And so they interfere also with God the Father and His Throne in Heaven.bib9
Christians are members of his body (Ephesians 5:30) and therefore no one from Christians may explain the Heavenly Book until is not in Christ's hands. Then, who speaks the Heavenly Book is not yet in Christ's hand and at the same time explains the Heavenly Book is as a foolish part of body would say, "I do not belong to body" (1. Corinthians 12:15) bib10 So, they do not have any right to speak about the duration of the Heavenly Book.
God's word delivered to Jeremiah may be God the Son's. The Earth was created by God the Son,
through Him and for Him. (Colossians 1:16) It means that earthly rules and laws also came
through God the Son (1 Corinthians 10:4). If God had written and given them to Moses, then
their author could be God the Son. God delivered Israelites from Egypt and was their king (the
Christ); they sinned against Him, and He punished them. Their sentence is written in the Book
called the Old Testament.
However, the author of the Heavenly Book must be God the Father because this Book is found in
His hand. (Revelation 5:1) He is on the Throne, never left the Throne. Therefore, this book is His
and must not leave the Heavenly Throne. Different authors, different locations, mean different
books.log3
As birds can never fly among stars (birds belong to the earth and starts to the sky) so "seventy" can never be put in Heaven to rest on the God's Throne, on the Heavenly Book.
Teachers of the end times appointed 1/70 for the Heavenly Book that is sealed. Then 69/70
logically should not be different.
Suppose we find a page from a book with seventy pages. From its appearance and context, we
may know where it belongs. For instance, if a page contains phone numbers and addresses, we
know immediately it belongs to a telephone book. Then if someone declares that the Book
having seven seals found in Revelation is 1/70 from the Daniel "seventy", then also rest of them
(69/70) should have seals. According to the mathematical logic, they should have 483 seals and
together 490 seals.log5
Writers who describe more events need more paper. Certainly they need more time. So, if many papers are presented, we await many events described. Clearly, we need more time to read them. Therefore, if events from the Heavenly Book are written on more papers, i. e. the Seven Scrolls, we should consider the Heavenly Book runs longer than a part of Daniel's message about Israel. Putting only 1/70 from Daniel's foretelling over the Heavenly is astonishing.log6
If an action is described by a few words and another with many words, we consider the main one is the article with more words. If we compare two actions with different running times, usually the longer is the chief one. Then whichever one takes 69/70 should be considered higher. This means that teachers of the end times put Daniel's message higher than God the Father's message, than Seven Sealed Scrolls.log7
If they say the Heavenly Book should last one from "seventy", it looks as though they call the Heavenly Book a small book in Daniel. Everything is illogical.
Someone may think that "seventy" should be sealed because Satan could come to God at that time (Job 1:6). The Heavenly Book should not be sealed because Satan has not come to the Heavenly Throne since the ascension of Jesus Christ.log8
If the Bible says the Heavenly Book is sealed and does not speak about sealing the "seventy", it means the Bible distinguishes them. bib11
God showed Daniel in detail future nations and kingdoms. Because God showed him the truth
about these 69/70, He had to continue to the end, to the seventieth part of "seventy". I believe
that He did so. Daniel saw it but did not write down because was commanded "But you,
Daniel, close up and seal the words of the scroll until the time of the end." (Daniel 12:4)
From it, also a small scroll from Seventy left. When will this run?
God with Daniel suddenly jumped into the end times. They even over jumped the resurrection
(verse 2) And so the conclusion of the "seventy" will come after the Resurrection and the
Rapture, so after people from every nation, tribe, and language will appear at the Heavenly
Throne. Many believers from Daniel's people, Israelites will stand there if their names are found
written in the Book of Life.
Daniel wanted to know when words which he sealed will be unsealed, when exactly the last
scroll from "seventy" will start. He did not get the answer because it is in the words which are
closed up and sealed until the time of the end. (Daniel 12:9) If words are closed up then they
are written on paper which is closed in a book or in a scroll. Certainly, these words are God's
ones and He sealed them. Therefore that seal is God's Seal and could not be of any man neither
Daniel's one.
The conclusion is, Daniel could not seal the Heavenly Book because his seal is not God's Seal;
therefore, another book, another scroll or scrolls exist beside "seventy", and will run in the end
times.bib12
No one from humans can break any God's Seal or fabricate any God's Seal (Genesis 1:24 and Revelation 5:3).
Comparing Revelation 10 and Daniel 10, I find the below the same:
The apostle John saw "a mighty angel come down from Heaven, clothed with a cloud: and a rainbow was upon his head, and his face was as it were the sun, and his feet as pillars of fire. He had in his hand a little book open: and he set his right foot upon the sea, and his left foot on the Earth. And cried with a loud voice, as when a lion roars: and when he had cried, seven thunders uttered their voices. When the seven thunders had uttered their voices, I was about to write: and I heard a voice from Heaven saying unto me, Seal up those things which the seven thunders uttered, and write them not. And the angel which I saw stand upon the sea and upon the Earth lifted up his hand to Heaven, And swore by him that lives for ever and ever, who created Heaven, and the things that therein are, and the Earth, and the things that therein are, and the sea, and the things which are therein, that there should be time no longer." (Revelation 10: 1-6)
This scroll comes in the second woe when also the sixth trumpet speaks about killing a third of
mankind (Revelation 9:12-21). The angel, standing upon the sea and the land, spoke. The sea
could refer to humans in spirit form, because many already died in the great tribulation. If angel
stands upon the sea then angels are busy to separate souls (Matthew 13:30). If he is also
standing upon the land then angels are busy also because those living in flesh. They still have to
inflict human population by the last woe.
The angel said, "There should be time no longer," which could be understood to mean, "a time
for a small scroll will start to run now, will not delay anymore." bib13
So Daniel, here is answered your question.
Neither in Daniel's times angels knew what everything should past till the last part of "seventy" would start. Namely Daniel saw one standing on his side of the great river and another on the opposite bank. "One of them said to the man clothed in lines, who was above the waters of the river, 'How long will it be before these astonished things are fulfilled?'" (Daniel 12:5-7) And so, here (Revelation 10:6) is the answer for that angel also.
Daniel received God's message through the archangel Gabriel 500 years before Christ Jesus.
Gabriel could not look inside the Heavenly Book at that time because it was sealed. It would not
be opened until Jesus Christ's Coming on the Heavenly Throne and taking the Book from God
the Father.
So, Gabriel's message could not be from the Heavenly Book. Therefore, his message said
nothing about the duration of the Heavenly Book.bib14
The apostle John received God's message from the Lord Jesus Christ (Revelation 1:18) after his
ascension to God the Father. The Lord Jesus Christ triumphed and got a right to look inside the
Heavenly Book (Revelation 5:4-5)
Then Christians are God's spiritual nation in accordance with Jesus Christ's spirituality. As a
man, Christ Jesus was alive in God even his flesh died because God is His father's, and not
Adam's, descendant. So transferring (Adam's) souls in (Christ's) spirits marks Christians.
Israel is God's fleshly nation because their father Jacob fought with the Lord in the flesh. The
Lord touched his flesh, but not his spiritual substance (soul unchanged). It looked like Jacob
fought with God the Son, being in the image of a mighty angel. God blessed him with the mark
on his flesh. (Genesis 32:23-31)
The Bible compares human souls to waters (Isaiah 17:12-13, Revelation 17:15) and Christians'
spirits to a crystal sea (Revelation 4:6), clear (without dirtiness) and transparent water. The first
are "fluid" on the Earth, and the second are "fluid" in Heaven. It is like water in different liquid
forms (the liquid on the earth and the liquid in the air).bib15
We have different crafts (ships) for water and air (airplanes); therefore, a different craft for souls
and spirits.
From it, the Jeremiah-and-Daniel "seventy" is a craft for the souls of Israel. Namely, this
"seventy" has come because of their souls' trespasses and not for any Christians' spiritual
trespasses.
We should understand that as a water craft could not sail in our heaven (the air), so no one could
apply the Daniel's "seventy" to Christians. Whoever applies that makes a perpetual spiritual
mobile, which is not realistic. loc9
Two main sections make the Bible. The Old Testament is the first, and the New Testament the
second. The Old Testament content introduces those who lived for God in accordance with their
soul. The New Testament content introduces those who live for God with their spirits, also
called a newborn spirit.
Those, who did not accept Christ Jesus, but believed in God, were carried to Him by the Old
Testament. Therefore, the Old Testament items are their carrier to God. They are the Temple or
Tabernacle and the Ark of Covenant (Revelation 11: 19) Jeremiah and Daniel's forecasted years
are in direction to the Temple and the Presence of God in it - the Ark of Covenant.
Those who accepted the Jesus Christ are carried to God via the New Testament. Holy Spirit
leads them. For that reason, the apostle John's foretold times in the New Testament are for Christians.
The conclusion is, as the Bible is divided into two sections, so two books or scrolls should exist
for foretold future events.log10
For instance, God called Isaiah to prophesy about God's judgment of the Israelites' wickedness
and their hope for the Christ and God's kingdom. Many Christians like Isaiah and consider him
their Old Testament prophet. Already Isaiah's calling was more to be a prophet to Christianity.
His calling was like that of a Christian's: his sin was covered and his mouth sacred. (Isaiah 6:7)
Other callings were for Amos, Hosea, Obadiah, Jonah, Haggai, Malachi and so on.
The Lord Jesus Christ called apostles for different roles. We know about Peter's and Paul's
calling. The apostle Paul also said that "there are different kinds of working." (I Corinthians
12:5 and Romans 12:4-8)
Jesus said that John could stay until His Second Coming. (John 21:22) It was understood that
John's calling was an end-times messenger for the Church and the Christian world. He speaks
about events that touch Christianity (what he saw and heard to seven churches) before Christ's
Second Coming. So, if the Lord foretold that the apostle John would speak about the end times,
it should be so. No one foretold that Daniel or Jeremiah should be the prophet for the end
times.ins1
God called Jeremiah to be "a prophet to the nations." (Jeremiah 1:5) He said, "I appointed you over nations and kingdoms to uproot and tear down, to destroy and overthrow, to build and to plant."(Jeremiah 1:10) Clearly, the Lord did not call him to prophesy about the end times, but about future years in the world. He said that God will punish people of the Kingdom of Judah because their deeds--their sins--were done in the specific time. Many of them are listed specially in books. (II Chronicles 11-36, 1 Kings 14 -2, Kings 24, Jeremiah) For example, one was Ahaz's sacrifices to other gods and taking the furnishings from the Temple. (II Chronicles 28) He had to name them in order to convict them. The Heavenly Book has no concrete evidence (who, when, and how) and cannot be compared to Jeremiah's message.bib16
Jeremiah sentenced Judah to go in the captivity by those "seventy" years. If we point this for the Heavenly Book described in the New Testament, it looks as Jeremiah also sentenced Christians even before Christianity were born. Did Christians go in Babylon? This is illogical and unbiblical.bib17
Jeremiah's life was neither pictorial to the Christians' lives. He lived on the territory of the
Davidic kingdom (where descendants of David still ruled), but was beaten and jailed because he
spoke God's word. Christians will not be beaten and jailed when they are on their king's territory.
Jeremiah lived in Jerusalem where the God's temple was. He was beaten by the high priest. It is
unreal that Christians would be beaten from their High Priest, Jesus Christ, because of God's
word. So Jeremiah's life does not testify about his appointment to speak for Christians. The book
Jeremiah is historical; its prophesies happened. It is not an apocalyptical book.
God speaks that Daniel was called to speak for the captured Israelites and what they would meet
in world movements. (Daniel 10:14)
God often showed future events on the lives of prophets, such as Hosea. Daniel started as a
captured man, yet later became a highly honored man in those kingdoms. His lords accepted and
honored him later. We see that his messages were for those who were in power, not Jewish
governments. The history testifies that many Jews rose to high governmental positions in the world.
This was different from the apostles' and Christians' lives in the Early Church. Thanks to God's
workings (newborn people and baptized by the Holy Spirit), these lost freedom by the world's
governments, and societies hated them. They were free spiritually at home in the Heaven. Often
fleshly bound testified, they were not at home in this world. So Daniel's life does not testify he
should spoke to Christians and their world.ins2
The book Daniel is comparative to world kingdoms next after explanation of "seventy" (the
chapter 11) Then there is a big jump, a long black hole, and back to light. It is spoken about the
final victory over Satan, the last war, and resurrection. (12: 1-3)
Most people put the world's history of Christianity in this black hole in Daniel. Daniel's silence
about those years means not his calling to speak about them. Daniel's black hole in historical
years testifies biblically that he did not prophesy about the history of Christianity.bib18 Daniel's
words covering the "seventy" were to be a bridge over years not covered in the Bible. "Now I
have come to explain to you what will happen to your people in the future, for the vision
concerns a time yet to come." (Daniel 10:14) This confirms that the Bible had been closing
history of God's nation, according to flesh. Because the Messiah had to come, God needed to
keep their history continuing.
However, to write about kings who put yokes on God's nation was not the Biblical goal. So, God
found an acceptable way for the Bible's spirit, and this was foretelling the future. This way was
the start of the new history of Israel.
Mattathias' sons tried to start the new history of Jacob's sons. Because this was only his effort, not a calling, that history of Israel is presented in apocryphal books.
The true Israelite history could begin with the coming the Messiah into the Temple. It is strange to call Daniel a prophet for Christianity because we have the detailed future years for Israel. But Daniel's prophesy does not mention Christ's life or Christianity, and therefore, it could not be a main prophecy for Christians..bib19
Are teachers of the end times trustworthy if their explanation of our Revelation is based on the prophet who did not mention the Early Church, the Dark Ages, the last Church, and our revolutionary world?
Since God called people for different reasons, we must apply that also to Daniel and Jeremiah.