Log Societal Group: Mar 31, 1997, Open for Business
Session Start: Mon Mar 31 20:12:06 1997 *** Now talking in #societal *** anne changes topic to "Fine-Tuning Our Pages" *** Tina (tatyana@stjhts15c13.nbnet.nb.ca ) has joined #societal (anne) hi tina (Tina) hi anne (anne) i hope i can stick tonight, have had trouble with pinging out the past few days *** anne sets mode: +o Tina (anne) saw that you joined a web ring for abuse tina (anne) Thanks for registering our pages with the search engines! (Tina) no problem anne (Tina) yes I did join a ring... I've been looking for one for the past few months (anne) great that you finally found one then (anne) I could not get to geocities tonight ;( (Tina) yes I think it'll be ok... if they don't find a site on myh own pages... they may find one through the ring (Tina) bummer (Tina) I really don't like geocities (anne) they also were moving around backups for neighborhoods so some are offline too, yesterday and today (Tina) I mean it's gotten so big that I find I have a lot of trouble getting to pages (Tina) and stuff (anne) our societal page just came back on earlier this pm (anne) anyway, my own ISP is sure a lot quicker to work with files on -) [anne] PING (anne) i am lagging if you are trying to talk Tina (anne) can you please log and send it me (Tina) I see (Tina) when are we going to pass our homework in (Tina) we should discuss this tonight and set a definite date (Tina) I think our site looks great (Tina) and has some great information available (Tina) I think we did an excellent job of all the lessons :) *** shadrak (irwin@irwin.pacificnet.net) has joined #societal *** Tina sets mode: +o shadrak (Tina) hi shad (shadrak) Good evening ladies [shadrak SOUND] (anne) will you guys please log so i can post it (ingo) Hi Shad, Tina, Anne (Tina) I was saying also I think we should pick a definite date to pass in the homework (anne) i had a terrible lag, (Tina) anne, ok (anne) I think we should send it now as we are really pretty much finished (shadrak) zero secs now anne. (anne) i just disconnected before, so hope i stick (anne) tina or ingo, will you log and mail it to me please (shadrak) Why not pass in the homework tomorrow? (anne) i agree that we should pass it in tomorrow (shadrak) here comes liz (anne) chris just uploaded her changes *** flamingo (flamingo@hd81-057.hil.compu serve.com) has joined #societal *** shadrak sets mode: +o flamingo (shadrak) hi flamingo (flamingo) Hi everyone (anne) and really we will only be making minor changes (anne) hi flamingo *** Liz (locuse@customs419.ipass.net) has joined #societal *** shadrak sets mode: +o Liz (shadrak) hi Liz (Tina) why not (anne) hi liz (Tina) at least it'll be passed in (Tina) and there's nothing saying we still can't make chan ges (anne) right I agree tina (flamingo) Hi liz (Liz) hi everyone (Tina) at least we won't have to remember to pass it in (anne) hahahaha (shadrak) We're discussing whether there is any reason not to pass in homework tomorrow. (ingo) Hi Liz, Flam ~ (Tina) hi flamingo (Tina) hi liz (flamingo) Shad, sounds fine to me *** shadrak changes topic to "short meeting...basketball game at 6:20" (Tina) lol *** ck (emeraldCit@ts-28.pacific.net) has joined #societal *** shadrak sets mode: +o ck (shadrak) hi ck (anne) hi ck (flamingo) Hi chris (ingo) Hi chris (Liz) hi chris (Tina) hi chris (ck) hi anne, flamingo, ingo, liz shad, tina (shadrak) Should we also say that our site is open for business? (anne) yes we should say our site is open for business (Tina) well then, I say Shad, why don't you send in our homework to ghatten and ACK I forgot who the other one is (Tina) lol (flamingo) Yes, I think that I'm ready Shad (anne) apparently VU did not mail out the evaluation form yet, but some folks did have it according to Ghatten (shadrak) Anyone not ready? (besides e-less)? (anne) we are ready with education shad (Tina) is there any way we can get the evaluation form (anne) just a few minor details (shadrak) Did you fix the bleed problem anne? (anne) i will write to ghatten and ask her to send it to us so we can be done, but we could just send it in without a form (Tina) I agree (anne) yes we did shadrak, but we have to check it for final amounts (flamingo) I would like to see the questions (shadrak) good (anne) we could not get into geo for all of us to check it (ingo) I think Geo was never as slow as today :( (anne) it was great sailing in the middle of the nite ingo, hahaha (shadrak) I can evaluate them without questions :) (flamingo) Has anyone seen the questions? (anne) no we have not (Tina) no (ingo) well, some people do have to get up in the morning (anne) are there any other points that people thought of besides what we discussed last night (Tina) last night?? (shadrak) What did you discuss last night? (Tina) was there a meeting last night? (anne) for sure it was easier to concentrate on pages once we finished the challenges (flamingo) Last night? (Liz) what meeting?? :-) (anne) i meant our meeting last week where we discussed evaluation (anne) sorry (shadrak) Gad I think she's got it! (Tina) lol (anne) i am so happy to be on vacation this week, and so is ck ;) (Liz) what's vacation??? :-) (anne) well, at least ck does not have school (anne) but she has to work (flamingo) :-( I'm back at work! (ck) it feels like vacation (shadrak) I'm on permanent vacation. (Tina) anne, I'm on vacation this week also (Tina) :) (anne) oh great tina (Liz) shad, you lucky buzzard!! :-) (flamingo) I had last week off (shadrak) Can't get to education page. (anne) did everyone see chris' new changes to health (Tina) no (ingo) Shad, try MSIE, it was faster for me tonight than NS (flamingo) I really like the way Chris setup the Health pages (shadrak) can't get there either. (anne) me too flamingo (ck) thanx flamingo (flamingo) The colors are great chris (anne) i cannot get there in NS or MSIE shadrak (anne) we are trying a menu for links pages for education (Tina) well geocities won't let me on tonight (Tina) I'll have to look later (flamingo) geocities was slow earlier today, too (ck) I think we should all pat ourselves on the back (anne) ingo tried a different color than the ones I did so I am anxious to see what he did too (anne) ck, I agree, the pages are terrific (anne) and flamingo is going to have hers linked to other teen sites too (shadrak) Made it too Health. Like colors and content; don't like three columns. (anne) she will be famous on the web (anne) shad, the 3 columns look fine to me tho (flamingo) heheheh, anne (ck) flamingo's pages are really "value added" (shadrak) Always thought you had bad taste anne :) (ck) curmudgeon (anne) flamingo, the only thing I think maybe you really need are some references to where you got your info for the topics (flamingo) I don't think that there are too many groups as far along as our group (shadrak) "old fart" is the going phrase (anne) as they are ideas from all over on anger, stress, peers, etc (anne) hahahah shad (anne) i went to the seniors on the net page and they have not done anything (ck) I think that flamingo's pages will really be of service, so will everyone elses, but flamingo's are so helpful (even for the not so young) (flamingo) Anne, I got my info from several sources.... school psycho... teachers... students... books... etc. (anne) i emailed to see if it was still going to the names on the page and got no answer, i will take off the link if there is going to be nothing there as i put it as reference in education for Golden Years (anne) flamingo, I think you need to say that somewhere (flamingo) ok anne, where? (anne) maybe you do not have to reference each source, but at least you need a statement and it will also add credibility too (shadrak) Anne, do you want to submit the homework and "open for business" letter? (anne) maybe you need a credits section, or in your links part (anne) sure i will be happy to Irwin (flamingo) ok anne, I'll have to work on that (shadrak) thank you. (shadrak) please copy the group anne. (Tina) yes anne (Tina) I'd like to see what you send in for homework and stuff (anne) or a special preface or epilog part as to where the page is going flamingo (shadrak) Still can't get to health. (Tina) I got to health (anne) i will make copies to everyone ;) (Tina) but using msie (ck) no need to shad, I am still using 3 columns so you wont like it ;) (flamingo) Anne, it is hard to tell where my pages are heading... I have several teen groups that want to become part of the project (anne) ghattens email bounced when i sent her about not getting the eval form yet (ck) that is good flamingo (Tina) flamingo cool (flamingo) I think that my pages maybe in stage 1 heading into stage 2 (anne) shad, when you get to Education, let us know how the pixel size and cellpadding work for your browser and monitor please (shadrak) MSIE isn't a good test for Education 'cause it doesn't have the NS bug. (ck) I will be using a lot of links from you-guyses pages for my 'good links for college research' paper (anne) shad gave us the official fix for the NS4 border table bug (ck) what is it? (flamingo) do tell, shad (anne) you set the right column to same pixel size as the transparent gif, need only one set the same size (anne) then the right column is set to "*" (anne) need to play with cellpadding size to see what works (shadrak) Use the single pixel gif to set left column width , use cellspacin g around 20 pixels and make right column "*" (rest of window (anne) combined with chris' aka ck single transparent pixel spacing tricks (anne) when I can get into geocities again, I will make that change on our famous lesson 6 homework with all the tables (ck) I gotta go eat (anne) right now it still had the percentages that were worthless as single pixel set the left column (shadrak) nite ck (anne) ck, anything else that you want to see for the evaluation (anne) before you leave (flamingo) Seeya ck (Liz) bye ck (ingo) nite chris (anne) nite (anne) liz, did you have a chance to look at the menu we made for the link pages yet? *** ck has quit IRC (Connection reset by peer) (anne) if anyone has any feedback for the education pages, would like to hear it also (Liz) no not yet (anne) email after you see them please (Liz) will do (anne) shad, that law search you added is a great reference in government pages too (flamingo) Shad, I like what you have done with the government pages (flamingo) lots of info (shadrak) Thank you! (Tina) I like all the pages (Tina) I think we did a fantastic job (anne) shad, while you said much of government was reviewed, it would not hurt to put a best source for it too (flamingo) So do I tina (shadrak) Though I did. Best directory and best reiews. (anne) k that is what i wanted to know shad, thanks (ingo) I think the greatest job is how we did work together on these pages (anne) right i agree ingo (shadrak) can't spell so how doo you know what I am saying? (Tina) yes (anne) ideas get better as we exchange them (flamingo) I've been very happy with the way all of this went (anne) and we sure an awful lot (anne) learned a lot (Tina) for the ones of us taking the graphics course next term... maybe we'll be working in study groups and can work together again (shadrak) What did we do wrong? (anne) what do you mean, what did we do wrong shad? (anne) oh that it worked so well, lol (ingo) I think the only thing we did wrong, Shad, we never went for a beer together after class (shadrak) An appraisal of the group should consider what - if any - mistakes we made. (anne) oh ok, now I see (flamingo) Shad, I think that we let some people stay in the group too long before telling them they weren't contributing and let them go (shadrak) Like letting e-less do lesson 6? (Tina) flamingo I agree (anne) I know it sure took a lot of time for me to keep helping e-less correct her errors, but she is appreciative that she did learn more what to do shad (shadrak) Overdoing our responses to the "challenges"? (flamingo) Hey Ingo, you mean you didn't drink a beer during every IRC Societal Class? :-) (anne) shad, that is how we learned to do stuff tho, by trying the challenges (anne) I would not say we overdid them (Tina) me either (shadrak) ok (ingo) Shad, I don't think so, even if it seemed like overkill - it was a good practice (anne) if people had not contributed so much to the challenges, I would not have learned later when I tried things (flamingo) I learned by trying the different challenges (anne) and now we have something to look back on to try other things (shadrak) flam are you planning to take the JavaScript course at that other place? (flamingo) Shad, I may take it during the summer when I'm off. I start teaching at night this week. (anne) oh sure flamingo, the summer off, hahaha (anne) you will be involved in something I am sure (shadrak) I'm upset that they use a book that you can purchase only from them. (flamingo) Anne, I take every summer off :-) (anne) oh i see, you are waiting til the summer (flamingo) yes, anne (flamingo) Shad, most of ZDU courses require that you use their book (anne) I already own the book that they probably use for the graphics class (shadrak) That turns me off. (shadrak) what's that anne? (flamingo) Anne, the PSP class is a good one (anne) the PaintShop Pro book by the instructor that teaches it, the only you can purchase from the PSP site (shadrak) Hey, I'm aboout to get to the ed page! (Tina) anne, I own it also (anne) it is listed on the 825 links page (Tina) well I'm going now guys (Tina) talk to you later (Liz) me too (anne) links825.html at wwnet (flamingo) Seeya Tina (shadrak) nite tina *** Tina (tatyana@stjhts15c13.nbnet.nb.ca ) has left #societal (anne) nite tina and liz (ingo) how did you manage that, Shad (flamingo) Seeya Liz (Liz) good nite *** Liz (locuse@customs419.ipass.net) has left #societal (shadrak) Just let NS run with that as the link. I finally have some of the page on my screen. (shadrak) Gotta hit the John before the BB game. Talk to you later. (anne) I am afraid to open anything up besides MIRC right now, i have been getting not enuf resources messags for things recently (anne) nite shad (flamingo) Seeya Shad *** shadrak has quit IRC (The old one has departed!) (ingo) I still have no luck getting anywhere in Goes (ingo) Geo (anne) well maybe it will be up and running at 11 pm (flamingo) Well, gang... I'm going to go too (anne) what color did you use for the button background ingo?? (anne) nite flamingo (ingo) nite flam (flamingo) Anne, enjoy your week off (anne) i will, thanks *** flamingo has quit IRC (Leaving) (ingo) I uesd a grainy yellow (anne) oh I will like my gray better I am sure ingo, but I will take a look and see (ingo) we'll see :) (anne) if it is not a non-dithering color from the Lynda Weinman's palette, it could do strange things (anne) can you give me the # for it please (anne) so i can try it on the samples i made (ingo) No (anne) or just email me the code so i can see how you arranged it (anne) copy and paste the code, or is only at geocities in the editor? (ingo) I used a yellow and manipulated it with image master so it is no longer a solid colow for which I could give you a code (anne) oh, then i will have to wait to see what you did (anne) you actually made buttons then??? (anne) not just a background (anne) color i meant (anne) oh you mixed the color like paint, haha (ingo) I tried actual buttons, had not too much luck with the shading - so I did individual spots of color with a name to it *** ck (emeraldCit@ts2-178.pacific.net) has joined #societal (anne) wb ck (ck) oh, everybody went home (ingo) How was supper *** anne sets mode: +o ck (ck) ok, a simple meal, sup & salid (anne) I am a little worried about the color ingo made and how it will show in different browsers as our text menu (ck) want me to look? (anne) will you look at ingo's work links from education page when you can get to geo (ingo) come-on, be adventurous (anne) then also look at the color gray I had in the Child and special needs links (anne) or here is the url for the test I made (anne) http://www.wwnet.com/~ahartman/edm enu.html (ingo) Chris, I have it with the Continuing education .. link (anne) yellow would go with the blues, navy and red tho ingo (ingo) see, already giving in (ck) ok, if I ever can get on to geocities I will check it out (anne) I think it is the Mac that changes colors the most in the way it sees them (ingo) thanx * anne is not giving in, I love the gray (ck) I think it is neat anne (anne) you will have a hard time convincing me ingo (anne) maybe you can tho (ingo) why having a color monitor if you use grey scales (anne) which is neat ck (ck) edmenu.html (I can't look at ingo's to compare) (anne) oh ok, thanks ck (ingo) let me see whether I can get a test up somewhere else brb (anne) if we want spaces between the different buttons, we will have to put in the codes from MSIE tables stuff for the different border parts, matching the white color background of the main page itself (anne) MSIE fills it in as a solid block which I do not care for as much (ck) anne, that JS/Button place you sent me to had a neat idea... (anne) oh let's ask ck if she can tell the difference in the off white you used compared to the #FFFFFF (anne) I really like that too ck (ck) they had a large button menu that was actually made up of several images that seemlessly fit together (anne) oh i did not look as carefully at it ck (ck) That way you can easily add and delete menu items (anne) great idea then (ck) It was only noticeable cause it was so slow I watched it being built as each image was decoded (anne) do you have a 14.4 modem ck? (ck) 28.8 (anne) k, but the pages had a lot of graphics too so was slow (ck) but maybe all these easter vacationers are at home using up the cyberlanes (anne) I liked the gear bacground on the main page too (anne) and there was a neat one with coins (anne) you are probably right ck (ck) yes, I want to explore that site some more, really neat rules (different) (anne) because main site for societal has been up for awhile (anne) right, i found it cause i went to a page from bracketeers 821 study group that I was in, and he used a background from there, the sunset on with the buttons (anne) Graphx did not make the border backgrounds wide enuf tho, cause it repeated when his page was seen in high resolution monitor (ck) When I went around checking our pages today, I cleared all my caches to see how slowly the pages would load...unfortunately geocities ruined by experiment by being so sluggish (anne) I know education page took forever to load with my cache cleared on my laptop ck (ck) oh, I haven't been to the bracketeer s in a while (anne) and usually it is not that bad (ck) my page is now slower cause of the titles being images (anne) go check paul's aka downeast one ck, his is on Digby Nova Scotia (anne) later, some of your graphics did not load for me either ck, when I did get to health (anne) so geocities connection was really screwed up, and Ingo got our education counter up in a corner somewhere, hahaha (ck) I can't find my braketeers url, do you have it? (ck) haha (anne) brb (anne) try my total class 821 pages ck (ingo) i 'm back (ingo) try http://members.tripod.com/~fed erweisser/button.htm (anne) http://www.wwnet.com/~ahartman/stu dy.html (ck) off to ingo's first (anne) wow i cannot remember the other file name (anne) if i ping out, send email, i will launch my browser (anne) brb (ck) I really love that type ingo, but it is taking 30+ seconds to load (ingo) Anne, I got a 404 file not found at your site (anne) let me check the filename (ck) colors look ok on my monitor, but I have a super-good video card and monitor (ingo) Anne/Chris, my link is only the set of buttons (anne) http://www.wwnet.com/~ahartman/hor izon.html (anne) that is all of our 821 pages (anne) and my url catcher is full (ingo) each button is about 4 k (ck) Must just be the traffic then ingo (ingo) so they should load up quite fast, don'tyou think so (ck) Ingo, I would suggest lightnening the background and shrinking the buttons a bit (not the text, just the buttons) (ingo) can try (ck) wow, nice job on the horizon html page (ingo) but won't get it up within this month :( (ck) I like the color of the text (anne) ingo, I am sorry, I do not care for the yellow (anne) oh thanks ck (anne) and i agree they should be smaller (ck) I am trying to get to Paul's now (ck) he needs a wider shade of pale (ingo) k, see yea chris (ck) am getting to paul's via www ingo (ingo) sorry didn't catch that (ck) oh, paul is at geocities so can't get there now ;( (ck) are braketters at geocities too? (anne) oh that is not at geocities (anne) but he is no longer part of bracketeers anyway (anne) that is not what I was referring to ck as the graphics page (anne) let me go get your their study group one (ck) ingo, I think a nice creamy color would be nice for the buttons (anne) but ck, our backgrounds for the links pages are white (ck) lite butter would go well with the text color (ingo) I can play around with it - I was just looking for some color and font (anne) you know, we have not tried different link colors since you changed the border1.jpg to the lighter blue ingo (anne) i bet you colors will different on it now (ck) I am reading "Visual Explanations" and he talks of "the smallest effective difference" (ingo) If I get ever on that site again, I can check it (ck) so cream buttons on white may not be so bad (anne) oh ok ck i see what you mean (ck) what is the name of that font, Ingo, I really luv it (anne) kind of like dressing in monochromatic colors (ingo) let me check (ck) I think sal practices "smallest effective difference" (ck) that is a neat way to put it anne (anne) i sure wonder what has happened to e-less (ingo) Matura MT Script Capital, Chris (anne) of for sure I do not think I have that font (ck) thanks ingo, don't have that one, but if I can I will get it (ck) I haven't heard from her in a while (anne) ck, i do not have your Comic font that you like so much (anne) where would i get that font too (ck) I downloaded that one from the net, wish I could tell you where I got it (anne) she had a big project at work last week (ingo) I think it came with my NEC printer (anne) oh and I have an HP printer (ingo) If I can find it on the CD I might be able to send it to you (anne) I thought about downloading the Internet fonts from Microsoft (ck) that would be cool (anne) that is not what they called them, but it is close (ck) http://www.microsoft.com/truetype/co mic/comic.htm (anne) oh thanks ck (ck) I made my health title using the 'over exposed' technique from laurie mccanna (ingo) Anne, tou your horizons site - avery small - let's call it single pix problem - I think it would look better if you had a space between the link and the additional text, the uninterrupted color change does not look too good (ingo) to your ... a very (anne) ingo, I am not sure what you are talking about, can you reexplain (anne) we all have very different tastes i think too (ingo) on you horizons page you need to have a space between link and text eg /index.html")The person should be /index.html") The person (ingo) the red is runing into the black without a space (ck) I see what he means "...The" versus "... The" (ingo) rite, chris (anne) The person that started it all...Ghatten!!!...Cats and Cajun (anne) The person that started it all...Ghatten!!!... Cats and Cajun (anne) you meant that kind of space (ingo) rite (anne) oh i would have done that, except I was keeping mine the same as Leapin's (ingo) I know -picky picky (anne) hahahahaha ;) (ck) I can't be picky cause I still dont even have a web page (anne) that has always bothered me, even before you said anything, i just did not get around to changing it haha (ck) so I admire Anne listing all these great links, in alphabetical order no less (anne) ck, I cannot wait til you put all your stuff together (anne) for a web page, you need house on our people.html (ck) Jerry's Musings looks interesting (anne) oh i have been so busy with societal, i had not visited them for awhile (ingo) Did anybody log the time spent on the project (anne) oh we logged a lot of miles (anne) and now I really have to stop and clean house this week (ck) anne, for english we had to read an excerpt from Tracy Kidder's "Math Class" (anne) oh i never read that ck (ck) In my "reading response" I wrote this..."I believe that Kidder is trying to show that it is only due to the energetic devotion and creative imagination of our teachers that any education happens at all" (anne) oh that is really nice (ck) I though of you when I wrote the "energetic devotion and creative imagination" part (anne) :) (anne) thanks (ingo) well guys, according to our administrators, soon we'll be replaced by computers in front of a class :) (ck) Oh, I fear that (anne) that would really be too bad (ingo) called alternate delivery modes - or teacherless classes (ck) You guys have really put together a comprehensive set of education links (ck) I think they are missing the point ingo (anne) there is a lot you can do with computers and taped lectures too (ingo) well, they see teachers wages being a bicg chunk of the budget (ck) they (puters and videos) should be assistants (anne) but you still need someone to tie it together, answer questions, give motivation (ck) My video health course does not in any way compare with my english class (ingo) but you do need a person being able to tell the student why the machine does not act the way the student expects (ck) hahaha, so true ingo (anne) I find it hard to really get information from computer screens too (ingo) you're rite, anne, you need the human touch (anne) especially when it is something new I am learning (ck) and what happens when you have a question? (anne) that is why I liked our study group (ingo) could you see a student with add in front of a computer with millions of links (ingo) ADD (anne) hahahaha ingo (anne) the clickers delight (ck) oh, that is an awful sight (ingo) where does his/her concentration and task committment go (ck) I would love to stay and chat, but got to pay bills...have a great nite (anne) but I think ADD students can do very well with the computer and spend hours on it, when attention to other things is not (ingo) nite chris (anne) gotta go too (anne) gonna go add those spaces ;) (ingo) I'll see what I can do about the font *** ck has quit IRC (Connection reset by peer) (anne) smaller buttons, prettier color (anne) font is good (anne) for now, i will add all the sections to the pages i started tho (anne) just so we have the links connected all together (ingo) I'll work on it - might be easier at the tripod site - let you know where I 'll be (anne) i am curious to see what the pixel size on edu.html is viewable by you too (anne) keep sending email if you change filenames too ingo (anne) thank goodness we all have more than one one website (anne) bye (anne) see ya at 11 if i can get back on Session Close: Mon Mar 31 21:56:45 1997Back to log list
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