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<karen> Do we even still have a group?
<Troi-> Hi Ya Carol!
<Sweetcake> Hello everyone..
<Counselor> Hi Carol!
<karen> hi carol
<Troi-> Btw: I didnt get the email for the Wed. meeting either.. But I was here last night.
<Troi-> Must have been the mail server.. 
<Sweetcake> Jeff did you get my message about a JAVA graphic thing on a webpage?
<Sweetcake> Did you see the copy of the message I sent to JUne this morning?
<Troi-> yea.. I saw that one..
<Sweetcake> The one where I cut and pasted the message into it?
<Troi-> uh huh..
<Counselor> Carol, yes, I got your mail and what you said is probably how it would work, however, it's worth a try.  That's what we're here for...  :)
<Sweetcake> Was playing around at a site called the java machine..play with it online and it writes the java code for you..gonna try it on my work page..
<Counselor> Ok, Carol, once you get something up I'll try it and see what happens for me.
<Troi-> I can only stay for about a 1/2 hour... Are we going to discuss what we went over last night or something new?
<Sweetcake> thanks I'll let you know..saved the code to a text file for now..have not added it to any page yet..
<karen> Is there a final message about who's working on what? Or can I assume that I work on sound?
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<Counselor> Well, I looked over Carol's notes from last night.  Everything looks ok to me.  How does it sound to ther rest of you?
<Troi-> Hi ya Linda!
<JerseyL> Hi
<Sweetcake> Has everyone had the time yet to look over the sites they gave us to compare good and bad sites?
<karen> hi linda
<Troi-> It sounds good to me.. I have my assignment with bev, paul, lexa and me..
<karen> I've only had time to look at audio sites
Counselor waves at Linda
<Troi-> I haven't had a minute to breathe in the last 24 hours.. much less go web surfing.. LOL
<Sweetcake> The part I am suppose to do for the group is suppose to contain what others think also..would not want the page to be about only my opinions on good and bad from that list..
<Sweetcake> hello Linda
<JerseyL> I still don't know how to wave and nod.
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<Lexa> Hi everybody
<JerseyL> hi
<Sweetcake> me neither!!
<Counselor> Howdy
<karen> hi
<Troi-> Jersey.. type the following...    /me waves
<Troi-> hi Lexa!
JerseyL waves
<JerseyL> cool
<Troi-> there ya go.. thats how it works
karen waves shyly
<Troi-> :)
JerseyL nods
<Counselor> Ok, I was gonna say that...but now y'all know...  :)
JerseyL waves again
<Troi-> :)
Troi- runs around and gives warm fuzzy HUGS out to everyone!
<Sweetcake> how do you do it?
<Troi-> LOL
<JerseyL> uh oh
Sweetcake jumps up and down!
karen waves anxiously and asks if she can go to the little engineers room
<Sweetcake> yeah!! I did it!
Troi- dances around the room for joy!!
<Troi-> you got it Sweetcake.. :)
<JerseyL> I think we're all going crazy!
<Troi-> Karen.. are you an engineer?
karen spills soup and invites dog to clean it up
<Troi-> I work for a Civil Engineering Company..
<Sweetcake> think so.. what kind of graphics are we going to put on our page?
<Counselor> Well, can we asume that everyone here is planning on continuing and working with the group?
<JerseyL> What's with Bev???
<karen> not only are I an engineer, but i'm even an alpha geek
<Troi-> I am planning on continuing
<Troi-> LOL Karen
<karen> me too!
<Sweetcake> Have not seen or heard from her at all..
<JerseyL> me too!
<Troi-> maybe she took a few days off... or is having PC problems
<JerseyL> Jeff, have you heard from her?
<Sweetcake> we will do what we can.... Still have not heard from Steve Charney or Robert H. yet to see what they will do to help with our homework either..
<Counselor> Well, I've heard from her today, but I should not say more than Ishe would want...let's just say she's dealing with some family situations.
<Troi-> nuff said.. understandable..
<JerseyL> ok
<karen> How's June? Did she ultimately find the whole class too much?
<Sweetcake> If June decides to really leave the group she was going to do Sound with you Jeff I believe... Karen  also said she wanted to do sound so maybe she can work with you on it..
<JerseyL> I hope she decides to stay.
<Troi-> I do too..
<Counselor> I'm not really sure about June yet, but it looks pretty definite that she's not staying.  :(  Anyway, I'd love to have Karn help me anyway.
<karen> I've already started in a little sound stuff. Basically just finding out what the heck is really going on.
<Sweetcake> I second that! Let's take a vote and let June know that we won't let her leave!
<karen> Since we're both from Washington state, does this mean we can put moose sounds on the page? ;-)
<Troi-> LOL
<JerseyL> I love moose.
<Troi-> chocolate mouse... :)
<karen> especially with a wild mushroom sauce
<Counselor> mushrooms adn chocolate?
<Troi-> mousse even.. LOL.. not sure if its the right spelling
<karen> meringue mushrooms!
<Troi-> dancing mushrooms.. LOL
<Sweetcake> Jeff what about the 2 pages? The one Bev did and the one that is at Geocities? Are we going to combine them at geocities?
<karen> moose pie... oops I just stepped in it!
<Troi-> heheheh
<JerseyL> Where's Riff Raff?
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<|DDqD> what is the point of this channel?
<Troi-> this is a study group
<JerseyL> We're in a class together.
<|DDqD> ah
<Sweetcake> study group for VU class #825
<Counselor> Carol, I'm not sure about that either.  Actually, I just got some email from Bev a few minutes before this class which leave some things up in the air.  Sorry to be so vague, but I don't want to say something and have it misinterpretted.
<|DDqD> should i leave then cuz im not involved in this?
<karen> you can stay, but then you have to tell me why your name reminds me of peanut buster parfaits ;-)
<Troi-> well, I guess its up to you.. .all we are talking about is HTML web design
<JerseyL> Our group is getting smaller, maybe DDqD can join.  Warning it's a lot of work!
<|DDqD> um.. i dunno karen..hehe
<|DDqD> i am ok at HTML
<Sweetcake> Ok.. not sure... I think the main page at geocities was for our outline thing that June did the part about BEYOND HTML and why we choose to learn and how we learned and our individual pages we are supposed to be creating along the way. 
<Troi-> methinks we have a winner.. :)
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<Troi-> hi Who!
<JerseyL> Hi Steve
<Counselor> Hey!
<karen> hi steve
<|DDqD> if ya wanna chek it out to see if i am any good visit http://www.buffnet.net/~cyprus
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<Troi-> I really think we should combine the pages.
<Sweetcake> But the homework that we all are doing also has to be posted on this page as we all have access to it. It's not fair to send everyhting over to Bev to post when we need the homework posted.
<|DDqD> cuz i dont know if i am any good or not..been doin it for about 1 month..thats it
<Sweetcake> Are you taking the class #825 at VU?
<Counselor> Yes, I think we should combine them too.  I've sent mail to that effect, I I think we should be able to count on our main page.
<|DDqD> homework..hehe
<Sweetcake> Yes when Bev first did the page I thought it would only be temp.. we can move all her hard work over to geocities and link everything together..
<karen> will there be any problems with uploading files if Bev's not around?
<Troi-> Nice page Eric.. you have some transparent animated gifs that are good.
<Counselor> Bev isn't the only one who can post on our site.  I'll certainly help with that, but any of can do it.
<|DDqD> thanks :)
<karen> Great. I'd forgotten that it was set up that way.
<Sweetcake> Anyone can post at the geocities site.... the other page that bev did is at her own personal site and noone but her can edit that..
<Troi-> yea.. me too.. I forgot.
<|DDqD> for some reason my music dont work with netscape though... :(
<Counselor> Yeah, that's why I think we should use our geocities site.
<|DDqD> it only works with MSIE
<Sweetcake> if you forgot the login and password Jeff can re- email it to everyone
<Troi-> ok.. I will be looking for it in the email.. :)
<|DDqD> login and password?
<Counselor> Yeah, I won't post it here, but I'll email it.
<karen> No I've saved those e-mails
<|DDqD> login and password for what? you can password protect a web page?
<Troi-> I have tried to save all of them.. but it just got to be so many with close to 200 email in my 825 folder alone.
<JerseyL> I don't know if I ever got the login and password.
<karen> the protection we're talking about is upload permission, but yes you can protect a web page
<Sweetcake> we can move her stuff..if she want to do all the editing of the resource links herself we can leave those at her site and link to them from geo like I did with the chat schedule..just added a return button at the bottom for those who dont like to use the back key and it is all tyed in together..
<Counselor> Yeah, I've done it, but I don't think you can do it at geocities.
<|DDqD> karen: can you tell me how to protect a page 
<Sweetcake> mee too..that 825 folder is busting at the seams..
<Troi-> LOL
<karen> actually, no. My teammate at work did it for one of our external pages. Sorry.
<|DDqD> thats ok... 
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<karen> what the heck happened to our title bar? mine's weird
<|DDqD> i changed the "titlebar"
<Sweetcake> we also need to discuss the format of the page at geocities and how we want the page setup..with the part about why and how we learned html our personal web projects.. the reguired links from our homework and stuff.. what sorta layout and graphic do we want or need and stuff..
<|DDqD> it makes it  look nicer....
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<Counselor> I'm gonna let y'all contribute to that discussion...I'll just make sure it's accessible via lynx.  :)
<karen> Can someone help me give up control of this chat. I really don't want it...
<Sweetcake> I don't know how..
<Counselor> I'm not an IRC guru either...
<Sweetcake> anyone ever controlled a channel before and know how to do it?
<karen> netscape chat
<JerseyL> no
<Troi-> I have been an op on serveral channel
<karen> i could just leave briefly and come back. I';ll try that.
<Troi-> no
<Sweetcake> I will be back in about 5 minutes..have to go down the road and pick up my daughter from dance class.
<Troi-> then no one will be an op
<who> ye
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<Sweetcake> ok karen leave and come back..
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<Troi-> now no ops
<Counselor> Troi, how do you make someone an op?
<karen> any better?
<who> no we have no op
<who> thats not good
<JerseyL> Why do you need an op?
<Troi-> you have to right click on the mouse on their name... then
<who> just in case
<who> kick ban
<Troi-> go to control.. then give ops
<Sweetcake> maybe we all should leave the channel for a sec and 
<Troi-> now for there to be an op.. we would all have to leave and come back.. First one in the channel is the op.
<Counselor> What's the slash command?
<Sweetcake> ok..i'm leaving... I will be back
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<karen> my double click maximizes the window :-(
<Counselor> I'm not using a mouse...ok, I'll research IRC and try to know something about it for next time.
<Sweetcake> I'll be back in a couple of minutes..
<Troi-> well all.. I have to go.. only had a 1/2hour to spare here.. But I will be at the next meeting. I have some graphics work to do.. 
<Troi-> catch ya all later..
<Troi-> bye!!!!!!!!!!
<JerseyL> bye
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<Counselor> So, who do we have left?
<who> y'all...must admit that i am only just beginning to catch up with 825
<JerseyL> I'm still here.
<who> i've got that load of email to read...plus lesson 3
<karen> who's working on which topics?
<karen> me = sound
<who> but i am dedicated to being here and carrying my share
<JerseyL> I'm on JPEG vs GIF
<Counselor> Well, Karen, you and I are working on sound.
<who> thats what i want to know
<karen> Linda too, maybe?
<JerseyL> I don't know anything about sound!
<who> Who too?
<Counselor> Who, what are you workingon?
<JerseyL> Actually JPEG vs GIF seems pretty easy so I can probably help out with sound if you need me.
<who> i volunteered for whatever i was needed for
<karen> great!
<JerseyL> What is the legality of using music??
<karen> Lexa? Are you around?
<karen> It's NOT legal!
<who> i have sound issues so i vol'd there too
<Counselor> That's a ggok question...one which I was going to present.
<Lexa> yep...i'm here
<Counselor> I mean good
<karen> waht are you working on lexa?
<JerseyL> It's not legal but a lot of people do anyway??
<Lexa> Graphics
<who> same thing for graphics
<karen> yes - it's amazing what you can get away with
<who> and some Co's are starting to get nasty about it
<karen> I think most copyright holders are allowing "samples" , say up to about 30 sec.
<karen> HOWEVER, ther's plenty of uncopyrighted stuff on the web
<JerseyL> Uncopyrighted music??
<who> it was either Star Wars or Star Trek that started shutting down unofficial sites
<karen> we just have to stay away from the famous stuff.
<karen> Plenty of people record midi, or audio files via the PC.
<karen> I'm goingto try some this weekend.
<JerseyL> Do you mean they are recording original music?
<Counselor> But, what if you record a copyrighted song?
<karen> some is original, some isn't. That's a problem too.
<JerseyL> I would definitely think that was illegal.
<karen> Techncally you would need to pay ASCAP.
<Counselor> But, are covers illegal?
<karen> Covers?
<Counselor> Bands do covers all the time.
<JerseyL> What are covers?
<karen> It's surprising how many pay an annual fee to ASCAP, and that covers most stuff.
<Counselor> Covers are popular songs done by other artists.
<karen> Sometimes I think buying the sheet music covers it as well. But not always
<Counselor> Like, if someone does a Beatles song, that's a cover.
<Sweetcake> I back..
<Sweetcake> I am back!! 
<karen> I know schools pay a fee, and get quite a bit of music
Counselor waves sweetcake
<karen> there're also plenty of violations
<who> Couns: r u going to talk about the value...or lack of same...of adding sound to pages?
<karen> I'm neither an expert nor a member of such an organization
<Counselor> I can certainly express my opinion...  :)
<Counselor> I'd like to get a reaction from others regarding the benefit/ problems with sound on a page.
<Sweetcake> Steve we still need someone to do Challenge #5 in the lesson 3 homework..would you like to cover that?     CHALLENGE 5:
<Sweetcake> Locate resources regarding the use of colors on the web. While
<Sweetcake> this is not SPECIFIC to graphics it is a consideration you need to
<Sweetcake> be familiar with to use graphics effectively.
<Sweetcake> Have someone research post to the groups demonstration page as
<Sweetcake> brief discussion of:
<Sweetcake> 1. The "Netscape Palette"
<Sweetcake> 2. RGB color values
<Sweetcake> 3. At least one other color related issue on web pages of your
<Sweetcake> choosing
<who> what i would like to know is how to add a background sound to an entire "site" so that it continues to play across the pages of a site
<who> i can do that
<JerseyL> I find sound either fun or annoying depending on the kind of mood I'm in and the sound.
<who> already have done some of that regarding colors and the inate meanings in various societies
<Counselor> I think one of the major problems with sound is that it's implemented differently or not at all by various browsers.
<karen> I thought a nice background sound with a voice over can add to the learning when you enter  site.
<who> where red is romantic in some cultures...its angry and violent in others
<who> etc
<JerseyL> I never saw that before.  Do you have an example.
<Counselor> Example of what?
<karen> On colors: I have been looking for web info for months, but have not found much.
<karen> Green generally represent verbal ability
<JerseyL> Example of voice over with background sound.
<Counselor> I have a list of colors and their hex values iof that would help...
<who> this was to do with hard copy converting to on'line doc...tech writer by trade...
<karen> I can record on one channel the music, then go back and record a script on the other channel.
<who> and the fact that the audience is now the World and not limited to local customs
<who> cou: anything would help
<Counselor> That sounds very interesting, who...I'm looking forward to seeing your part on color.  :)
<who> also...worked on icons
<Sweetcake> Here is the current list that I have:
<Sweetcake> Bev aka Wolflady --- graphics [with Pattie, Paul, Sasha]
<Sweetcake> Geetha N. --- Image Maps [with Robert G.]
<Sweetcake> Jeff aka Counselor --- Sound [with June & Karen] 
<Sweetcake> Png Graphics [with Sasha]
<Sweetcake> June aka TXJune --- Sound [with Jeff & Karen]
<Sweetcake> Linda R. --- JPEG VS. Gif
<Sweetcake> Pattie aka Troi --- graphics [with Bev, Paul, Sasha]
<Sweetcake> Paul aka Riffraff --- graphics [with Bev, Sasha, Pattie]
<Sweetcake> Robert G. aka Kwhats --- Image Maps [with Geetha]
<Sweetcake> Sasha aka Lexa --- graphics [with Bev, Paul, Pattie]
<Sweetcake> Carol aka Sweetcake --- examples of Good & Bad graphics on pages
<Sweetcake> Karen aka kko --- [ Sound with Jeff & June]
<Sweetcake> Robert H. --- ??? Challenge #5????
<Sweetcake> Steve aka who --- ??? Challenge #5??????
<who> like "avoid anything tall and pointy in dealing with the Orient...too phallic" (sp?)
<karen> An open palm in some African countries is an invitation to a fight
<Counselor> Sorry to interupt, but is anyone loggin this/
<who> or...didja hear about what happened when Chevrolet tried to sell the Chevy Novas in South America
<JerseyL> I heard
<karen> yu
<karen> yup
<who> Nova literally translates to doesn't go in spanish
<Counselor> Yeah,  I heard a bunch of those things...  :)
<who> anyhow...i'll sit on my fingers for a while...opening ears
<JerseyL> I wonder if the other groups have had as many drop outs as we have.
<Counselor> The instructors seemed to indicate that it might happen...
<Sweetcake> I always have the log channel button on.. everything is here except for when I left the channel for a minute when I thought we were going to reenter to grant ops to someone.. I left it on though wehn I went to pick my daughter up at dance class. I will attach the log to an email for you jeff..
<who> don't think people knew what they were getting in to 
<karen> So we have three topics to talk abut tonight - sound and color and graphics?
<Counselor> Does everyone here feel like they have an idea of what they can work on?
<karen> I do
<Sweetcake> Here is the current list again...
<Counselor> If not, now is the time to bring it up.
<Sweetcake> Bev aka Wolflady --- graphics [with Pattie, Paul, Sasha]
<Sweetcake> Geetha N. --- Image Maps [with Robert G.]
<Sweetcake> Jeff aka Counselor --- Sound [with June & Karen] 
<Sweetcake> Png Graphics [with Sasha]
<Sweetcake> June aka TXJune --- Sound [with Jeff & Karen]
<Sweetcake> Linda R. --- JPEG VS. Gif
<Sweetcake> Pattie aka Troi --- graphics [with Bev, Paul, Sasha]
<Sweetcake> Paul aka Riffraff --- graphics [with Bev, Sasha, Pattie]
<Sweetcake> Robert G. aka Kwhats --- Image Maps [with Geetha]
<Sweetcake> Sasha aka Lexa --- graphics [with Bev, Paul, Pattie]
<Sweetcake> Carol aka Sweetcake --- examples of Good & Bad graphics on pages
<Sweetcake> Karen aka kko --- [ Sound with Jeff & June]
<Sweetcake> Robert H. --- ??? Challenge #5????
<Sweetcake> Steve aka who --- ??? Challenge #5??????
<Sweetcake> Bev aka Wolflady --- graphics [with Pattie, Paul, Sasha]
<Sweetcake> Geetha N. --- Image Maps [with Robert G.]
<Sweetcake> Jeff aka Counselor --- Sound [with June & Karen] 
<Sweetcake> Png Graphics [with Sasha]
<Sweetcake> June aka TXJune --- Sound [with Jeff & Karen]
<Sweetcake> Linda R. --- JPEG VS. Gif
<Sweetcake> Pattie aka Troi --- graphics [with Bev, Paul, Sasha]
<Sweetcake> Paul aka Riffraff --- graphics [with Bev, Sasha, Pattie]
<Sweetcake> Robert G. aka Kwhats --- Image Maps [with Geetha]
<Sweetcake> Sasha aka Lexa --- graphics [with Bev, Paul, Pattie]
<Sweetcake> Carol aka Sweetcake --- examples of Good & Bad graphics on pages
<Sweetcake> Karen aka kko --- [ Sound with Jeff & June]
<Sweetcake> Robert H. --- ??? Challenge #5????
<Sweetcake> Steve aka who --- ??? Challenge #5??????
<Sweetcake> <Sweetcake> Here is the current list that I have:
<Sweetcake> <Sweetcake> Bev aka Wolflady --- graphics [with Pattie, Paul, Sasha]
<Sweetcake> <Sweetcake> Geetha N. --- Image Maps [with Robert G.]
<Sweetcake> <Sweetcake> Jeff aka Counselor --- Sound [with June & Karen]
<Sweetcake> <Sweetcake> Png Graphics [with Sasha]
<Sweetcake> <Sweetcake> June aka TXJune --- Sound [with Jeff & Karen]
<Sweetcake> <Sweetcake> Linda R. --- JPEG VS. Gif
<Sweetcake> <Sweetcake> Pattie aka Troi --- graphics [with Bev, Paul, Sasha]
<Sweetcake> <Sweetcake> Paul aka Riffraff --- graphics [with Bev, Sasha, Pattie]
<Sweetcake> <Sweetcake> Robert G. aka Kwhats --- Image Maps [with Geetha]
<Sweetcake> <Sweetcake> Sasha aka Lexa --- graphics [with Bev, Paul, Pattie]
<Sweetcake> <Sweetcake> Carol aka Sweetcake --- examples of Good & Bad graphics on pages
<Sweetcake> <Sweetcake> Karen aka kko --- [ Sound with Jeff & June]
<Sweetcake> <Sweetcake> Robert H. --- ??? Challenge #5????
<Sweetcake> <Sweetcake> Steve aka who --- ??? Challenge #5??????
<Sweetcake> mess it up.. sorry about that!
<JerseyL> When I do my research on Gif vs jpeg, do I write some things up and put it on a page somewhere?  I just got a website this week, but had trouble FTPing.
<Sweetcake> we need to log everyones opinion on graphic I think for what we want on our web site in the way of graphics so those in the graphics group know what to design..like do we want to be color coordinated or do we want a theme.. etc.
<who> I think it would be desirable if the group site and the first level of each of our sites were
<who> a suite - so to speak - so that they looked homogeneous
<who> so that a user would recognize he was on a Web0crat site just by the feel
<Sweetcake> So steve.. Would you mind doing challenge #5 of the homework in lesson 3 for our group? Maybe you can email Robert H. to give you a hand. He has not really volunteered for anything in particual..I think he is waiting to see where he can help..
<Counselor> One thing I've discovered is that colors seem to come out looking differently on various monitors/computers and maybe even over various browsers.
<who> that would take some coordinating but it could be done
<who> beyond the first level of each individuals site we could all "do are own things"
<Counselor> I like the idea, who.
<Sweetcake> good idea.. maybe could be as simple as a graphic & and return to "WEB-O-Crats" on the page somewhere..
<JerseyL> me too
<who> i mean...if you pick up any IBM manual or MicroSoft manual...you know the source
<Counselor> I think it would be nice to even go so far as to color coordinate...
<Sweetcake> Right my work page is sorta like an introduction to my site.. can change that in any way to make it seem like they are connected..from there I can link to the SIDS memorial wall..and have a link back to our main work page at both sites..
<who> if you walk into a McDonalds anywhere in the world you feel the same belonging...same type of thing
<karen> How about ifwe let one person do the mainpage, then the rest just lift a set of common components.
<Sweetcake> Jeff all three have a difference.. on my pages the tables on my page look a little bit different in MIE & Netscape..
<who> that kind of thing...xactly like 3.2 or is it 4.0 layering is supposed to accomplish
<Sweetcake> Jeff on one of the bookmarks I sent is a site that you can d/l a plugin to view PNG graphics with Netscape  & Microsoft exploere
<Counselor> Who, why don't you come up with a proposal and present it to the group?
<who> k..see what i can do
<Counselor> Okk, Carol..
<who> i have to go to log mode in about 5 mins...i'll be here, but not really
<who> but i will be reading log and checking screen now and then
<Counselor> I'll look for it, but actually, others might want to be able to view it as well.  But, keep in mind when putting graphics on a page...if not everybody has the plug, then not everyone will see it.
<who> it is dinner time here on the west coast
<Sweetcake> JerseyL whatever you do you can always u/l it to the geocities site and have it linked to the main page..no real need to have your own site.. I just have mine on my site cause I find it easier..
<who> also, not everyone has graphics capability or graphics turned on
<Counselor> And, some of us use lynx or other text browsers...  :)
<who> do you?
<Counselor> Yeha, I was on our site today and we've  only used 5% of our allocation.
<who> It would be nice to include profiles (h/w and s/w) of each of our members
<Counselor> Not a bad idea,who.
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<who> i mean ... r any of us on Apple?
<who> unix?
<who> what speed linkups? modems?
<who> what browsers
<JerseyL> What do you mean by profiles h/w and s/w?
<Sweetcake> That would be good also... use the first link as a sorta BIO and our own personal thing on BEYOND HTML and then from that link to our own personal creation.. make all the first links look exactly the same except for the info it contains..
<who> hardware and software
<Sweetcake> lifting common components would be just fine.. 
<who> first level might look like a page of a zine...with interview questions answered by each 
<JerseyL> good ideas
<who> maybe too uniform...just thinking out loud
<who> but Qs like ...Why did you decide to build a home page?
<who> How did you learn your HTML?
<who> etc
<who> From there...we could do additional "featured" players...
<who> like pick somebody off the Web who has an outstanding page and ask them the same questions
<Counselor> Does anyone here use MSIE?
<Sweetcake> I don't really think the WWW is quite ready for PNG graphics.. I don't like visiting a site and having to dowload a plugin to view it..
<JerseyL> no
<who> have a new "personality" each week featured
<Sweetcake> what's for dinner?
<who> chicken and rice
<Counselor> Good point, Sweetcake...that's also a problem with sound.
<who> with brussel sprouts
<who> and my head on a platter if i don't have it ready when my wife gets home...shudder
<Counselor> lol
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<Sweetcake> On my intro page I put a brief bio and why I wanted to take the class and what I wanted to learn and why I first put a web page and how I learned to do it..then I made a link to my persoanl web page that makes a difference..
<Counselor> Hey, before I forget...y'all could go vote for my page in the geocities contest!  :)
<Sweetcake> I have MSIE installed but rarely use it..only use it on ocassion to make sure my page can be seen by both browsers..
<who> sweetcake: that could be easily pressed into a standard format if you don't object
<Sweetcake> YUMM!!! We had Steak, Baby peas & tri colored pasta with pesto sauce.. a few hours ago :-)
<Counselor> I've no idea what we're having for dinner...  
<JerseyL> I'm getting hungry.  I ate dinner 5 hours ago!
<Sweetcake> which contest? The web site of the day or the year?
<Counselor> What coudl become a standard?
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<Sweetcake> no I don't object.. it was June's idea from her outline..thought that was what we were supposed to do all along
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<Sweetcake> We should have our main page with links to everyone's personal outlook on what beyond html meand, personal bio, why we learned what we did to learn, why we took the class and then our creation on the topic we choose to do or choose to work with someone on..
<JerseyL> That should work.
who says "karen, don't forget to brush"
<Counselor> Carol, I think you're doing a really good job at this.  Would you mind putting together sort of a suvey that we all could answer?
<Counselor> survey, that is.
<Sweetcake> We would more than fufill the class requirement as they only require 1 page to be made that can be considered a page that makes a difference and if we each made our own topic page that we wanted in effect we will have our main page and homework and resources and about 10 pages or creations sprouting under it and each creation whould make a difference.. that is how I interperated June's origional idea for our group..
<who> right...and on the indi page we could have a box with the hardware/software configuration
<who> so you
<who> so you'd have personal and machine bio's on the same page for each person
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<Sweetcake> It would be easier I think if we were each given a format  and had to each creat a basic page with our bio, the how and why part and then link these to our own web page that we create to make a differnece.. 
<Counselor> So, Carol, are you saying that the bio would be the how and why we are doing this?
<Sweetcake> Main Geocities page contains [ links to our homework assignments, our esource links, our chat schedule link and each persons name and email  & a link to their bio page} Bio page could contain [ the how and why we learned and what beyone html means to us] from the bio page we link to our individual page that we creat that makes a difference] Each person would be required to make 2 pages on their own..their own bio page and their own web page that makes a difference] these 2 pages would 
<Sweetcake> be linked back or placed on our geocities site to be linked to our main page]
<Sweetcake> yes.. like june's outline..how we learned, why we learned, brief bio, intouse our topic for our individual page] use the main page for our homework stuff..
<JerseyL> I thought our page that makes a difference was beyond HTML.  I don't really want to have to make up two pages.
<JerseyL> that make a difference
<Sweetcake> No only one page that makes a difference..the second page would be just a page with a paragrah or 2 on like who you are and why you took the class  how you learned to code.. simple.. 
<Sweetcake> If we want to use a certain format for these bio page we can just clone them with the info..have one person paste in everones info  onto a templte page..or something.
<Counselor> That's why i thought of the "survey" idea.  If each person answered in paragraph form a few bio type questions then, someone could put them onto a page.
<Sweetcake> we could do that also.. use only one page with everyones answers and either place it directly on our main page or place a link to the page with everyones info... then we can change the url on the geocities page from our homepage to the page that we each created "That Makes" a difference.  If a person does not want to creat their individual page we can leave the link to their basic homepage.
<Sweetcake> Does that sound more reasonable? Did everyone pick a topic for their individual page?
<karen> i like it
<Counselor> I did...how does this sound to the others of you?
<Sweetcake> I would not mind taking the info I collect from the group and making the bio page..
<JerseyL> it makes sense
<Sweetcake> I could gather the info and make a page if you want..or just gather the info and let someone else take the info and creat a page with it...
<karen> Thanks for offering to make the bio page.
<Sweetcake> and this would be a good page to color coordinate or make look like it is connected to the main page..
<karen> yes! good idea!
<Counselor> That's what I was going to say, Carol, so maybe you should talk to Steve about it.
<JerseyL> sounds good to me
<Sweetcake> He's eating dinner I think..
<Sweetcake> he's just logging.. oops I think he is cooking dinner before the wife gets home!
<Counselor> I'm gonna have to do that sometime soon...I hope.  :)
<karen> he'll catch up in a bit
<Sweetcake> OK then maybe I will work on creating a survey, and gathering the info and see if Steve or someone else wants to turn the info into a page for the group.
<karen> This begins to sound like a good evening's work
<JerseyL> So Carol is going to take a survey about how we learned Html, why, etc. and our hardward/software.  Right?
<karen> or is it morning for you, lexa?
<Counselor> I don't mind if you do it, Carol, but I don't want you to get overburdened...and, I think Steve was going to have some proposal for the color coordination.
<Sweetcake> What about the idea of changing our hompage url on the geocities page to a link to our web page that makes a difference when they are ready? We can always place a link to our homepage on our bio page.
<Lexa> it's 4:31AM here
<JerseyL> Doesn't matter to me if I can figure out how to ftp.
<Sweetcake> we will leave it at asking him to do it..I will only do it as a last resort if noone else will create it... I already created the chat page for the group.. I think really someone else should do it.. Bev and June also have already created pages for the group.. so really someone else shoul make it..
<karen> geocities has a "new easy to use" upload form. I used it today. The only problem is my page hasn't showed up yet.
<Sweetcake> in geocities you can use the EZ uploader utility  on the utilities page to ul to the geocities site..no need to use ftp unless you want to..
<Counselor> If you need help with ftp at geocities let me know.l. I do it all the time.
<karen> Does it take FOREVER to actually get a page put up?
<Sweetcake> I  tried the new thing it still has bugs.. below the new thing is still all the old stuff.. seperately..
<Counselor> I agree Sweeetckae.
<Counselor> Whew..sweetcake...I can't type tonight.
<karen> My file is apparently there, but I can't view it with my browser
<Counselor> What's it called, Karen?
<karen> Oh, you would ask that. I'll get the link and be back in a sec.
<Counselor> I just wanted the file name...
<Sweetcake> I tried the new combined upload and all utilities all in one and it messed up my main page.. it put "?" in for some thing like my background file turn into "?".jpg and stuff.. went to the old ez uploader the seperate one and reuploaded the file and it worked just fine..
<karen> http://www.geocities.com/ResearchTriangle/2809/
<karen> I'll try again with ftp, then. Maybe I'll get lucky. It's slower than molasses tonight.
<Counselor> I uploaded our page with ftp earlier this evening.
<karen> Is it there already?
<Counselor> Yes, it was there about 10 minutes after I uploaded.
<Sweetcake> Did someone else want to actual create the survey and email it and collect the info for steve to place on a page?  I don't want to take the fun away from anyone else.  Would not be much work..
<karen> Then I must have the uploader disease. 
<JerseyL> You can have the fun.  I feel like I've been glued to my computer chair all week.
<Counselor> Read their announcements page..they've been having some trouble and I've had to reup some pages recently.  I even uploaded a page once and it disappeared altogether!  
<Counselor> It messed up my banner adjustment and everything. :(
<Sweetcake> The first file in geocities has to be named index.html all other pages can be named anything you want.. was it the first page for your site?
<Counselor> It was my index page.
<karen> What's the purpose of the index page? Lists all subpages?
<JerseyL> It's a starting points isn't it.
<Sweetcake> actually I have been glued here.. my neck has been hurting for a couple of days! 
<Counselor> Not necessarily, Karen...it just must be named index.html
<karen> is that my "homepage"?
<JerseyL> yes
<Lexa> I need to go to bed....have a nice time and see ya soon :)
<karen> thanks. No wonder. At least they tried to idiot-proof it :)
<karen> goodnight lexa!
<Counselor> Goodnight...
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<JerseyL> Goodnight
<Sweetcake> yes your main page has to be named index.html geocities looks for this filename for your site's main page.. after this page you can name them whatever you want.. if the file is there you can go into the old file thing and rename the page from whatever it is to index.html and then it should show up..
<JerseyL> When I ftp'd today, two of my graphics files made it but my index.html didn't??
<karen> Wonderful! I wanted to see it, even if I only have about 3 tags on it.
<Counselor> Well, Karen, you can specify a comlete path.
<karen> Does the first ever file have to be index.html, or the first file every day?
<Counselor> The "default" file must be index.html
<Sweetcake> no your homepage html file should be named index.html
<karen> ok.
<Sweetcake> then if you create a second html page you name it something differene and then edit your index.html and place a link to it off of this page.
<karen> Well, then I think I'll go fix that. Jeff, shall we start e-mail this weekend to work on the sound thing?
<Counselor> But, if you homepage was named index.html but rather homepage.html, you could do something like:  http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Plains/2122/homepage.html
<JerseyL> Jeff you did a good job keeping us focused tonight.
Counselor clushes
<Sweetcake> but then if someone was browsing the neighborhood thing in geocities and clicked on her address it woul say she has not moved in yet..
Counselor blushes
<Counselor> I was just telling her that so she could go ahead and view her page.  She should rename it.
<Counselor> Yes, Karen, let's do email..  :)
<Sweetcake> she learned something tonight.. doesn't that feel good.... if you need any other help with geocities please ask.. been there since sept so I know a lot and can anser questions if you have any
<karen> ok. See you in the ether! Now I'll go spend quality time with my hubby :)
<Counselor> Yeah, me too...
<JerseyL> Good night
<Sweetcake> night karen
<Counselor> goodnight..
<karen> wait, you don't have a hubby...?
<Sweetcake> my hubby is till at work!
<JerseyL> I think mine gave up on me
<karen> oops I meant Jeff!  ;-)
<Counselor> I meant that I was saying goodnight.
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<Counselor> Oh, I meant that I could help with geocities...I've been there since last Sep too..
<Sweetcake> nice.. mine works the second shift and does not get home until after midnight.. we get to spend morning together which is nice..
<JerseyL> Talk to you Sunday
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<who> wahdimiss?
<Counselor> Who, you got volunteered to do a web page...  :)
<Sweetcake> well are you interested in  working on Challenge #5 in our homework for this week? 
<who> only one?  you guys are too easy
<who> this 2 week?
<Sweetcake> Are you also interested in creating a web page for the group with everyones bio on it?
<who> okay
<who> iffin i get the input ... no prob
<Sweetcake> we split the assignment up and everyone is working on something.. only challenge #5 is left I think.. 
<who> i will look at the log and see what i voluntered for
<who> ohmyg*d...E.T. just died again...
<Counselor> Carol will gather the info and give it to youto put on a page.
<Sweetcake> I am going to create a survey and email it to everyone and collect the data.. then I will send you the date to paste on the page you create..
<Sweetcake> ET?
<who> looked like a lot of methodology about the page was discussed tonite
<who> where pages are ... what they contain... etc
<who> better read up on that
<Sweetcake> Robert H. has still not answered or volunteered for anyhting at all.. maybe you can email him and have him help you with challenge #5 from the homework..
<who> hey! there is no http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Plains/2122/homepage.html you guys were just funning
<who> hate to tell you this, but i don't know what you mean by challenge #
<Sweetcake> there's no index.html either! don't know what she named the html file she uploaded.. that is why her page is not showing up!
<who> only briefly scanned lesson 3
<Counselor> That was just an example.  There *is* an http:/www.geocities.com/Heartland/Plains/2122/
<who> know its there tho
<Sweetcake> The home work #3 in it is challenge #5 we need someone to do this assignment  for our homework..
<who> the group page? it is going to contain group roster and mini-bios too? 
<who> back on my h/w s/w kick
<Sweetcake> Here is your homework assignment: :-)
<who> yes teach
<who> should i choose to accept it....the secretary will disavow any knowledge of my existence
<Counselor> Dont erase those tapes!
<who> bomp..bom.bom.bomp
<who> k back to cooking
<Sweetcake> CHALLENGE 5:
<Sweetcake> Locate resources regarding the use of colors on the web. While
<Sweetcake> this is not SPECIFIC to graphics it is a consideration you need to
<Sweetcake> be familiar with to use graphics effectively.
<Sweetcake> Have someone research post to the groups demonstration page as
<Sweetcake> brief discussion of:
<Sweetcake> 1. The "Netscape Palette"
<Sweetcake> 2. RGB color values
<Sweetcake> 3. At least one other color related issue on web pages of your
<Sweetcake> choosing
<Sweetcake> We decided on having a main page with our links to our resources, homework assignments, chat schedule, etc. also on this page it will list our members and their email address & a link to the page they want to create that make a difference, we also want to link to a page that has the bios on it.. all on one page.. we wanted you to make this page. The main page will be created as a group effort. the bio page will be a seperate page like my chat schedule page. 
<Counselor> Yeah, I think my wife wants my attention...or the computer...I'm not sure which.  :{
<Sweetcake> ok goodnight..
<Counselor> Are we pretty much done here with business?
<Sweetcake> I think so..
<Sweetcake> will email you the log..
<Sweetcake> I think I am gonna call it a night also..
<Sweetcake> goodnight Jeff & goodnight Steve.
<Sweetcake> l8r
<Counselor> Ok, well, if no one has any further business, I'll move on to some other projects around here...like dinner... :)
<Sweetcake> wonder how long Steve will be.. 
<Counselor> Goodnight..
<Sweetcake> Should I wait for him to come back?
<Counselor> If you don't want to, I can...
<Sweetcake> no problem.. go have dinner.. already ate!
<Counselor> Or, he'll probably figure it out...I didn't know he was gone.
<who> lo
<who> in between stirring pots
<Sweetcake> think he went back to cooking his dinner..
<Sweetcake> didn't want to leave until you came back.. I think we are done..
<Counselor> Well, Stee, I think we're gonna call it a night.
<who> wifey is home putting food on the table
<who> done...turn us over and baste us
<Sweetcake> here is the homework assignment from week #3
<Sweetcake> CHALLENGE 5:
<Sweetcake> Locate resources regarding the use of colors on the web. While
<Sweetcake> this is not SPECIFIC to graphics it is a consideration you need to
<Sweetcake> be familiar with to use graphics effectively.
<Sweetcake> Have someone research post to the groups demonstration page as
<Sweetcake> brief discussion of:
<Sweetcake> 1. The "Netscape Palette"
<Sweetcake> 2. RGB color values
<Sweetcake> 3. At least one other color related issue on web pages of your
<Sweetcake> choosing
<who> i see it above
<Sweetcake> ok.. ?
<Sweetcake> the 1. 2. 3. part ...
<who> Sweetcakes, you any relation to Carole?
<Sweetcake> My name is Carol ...
<who> you both must be touch typists...lol
<Sweetcake> Sweetcake is my CB handle from back in the 70's
<Counselor> yup
<who> j/k
<Sweetcake> I type with 2 fingers!
<Counselor> You can read my page to find out about my handle.
<who> of the 41 messages to be read in my inbox, 10 r from u
<Sweetcake> I used windows cut and paste! cut it from the lesson # 3 and pasted it here!
<who> just little nudges...keep up the good work
<who> E.T. is ALIVE!
<who> i was so worried
<Counselor> Something smells awfully good around here...I think I'm gonna go...
<Sweetcake> my 2 fingers are tired! typed a lot today! Always end everyhting I type to everyone in the group instead of private messages between 2 people so everyone knows whats going on..
<who> dcc us some
<Sweetcake> do you understand about the bio page?
<Counselor> I gotta learn about this dcc, but I think it crashes my system
<who> good night all.. i have some reading to do tonite for sure
<Sweetcake> ok .. I am leaving also..
<who> not yet...but i am not shy...i will read log and ask Qs later
<Sweetcake> bye..
<Sweetcake> ok..
<who> tata
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