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<22 Jul 1998 From: Judy <critterz Re Q-10 and stuff>
wordlady@interlog.com wrote:
<< Does the 1mg per lb. apply to all . supplements, vitamins,
minerals?>>
No. It depends on the supplement. A gauge I use is I divide
the recommended mg. by 120 and multiply it by my cats body weight.
Usually--there's a couple exceptions.
Susan, I thought of you the other week when I read an article from the HFS. Maybe I really shouldn't mention this cause I don't have all the facts straight, but the article said something that the powdered version of Q-10 was not as good as the liquid. I forgot the reasons. :( I'm using the powder right now and it's a pain. I think I'm gonna switch back to using the contents of a softgel. I did notice at the HFS a bottle of Q-10 liquid, if it wasn't $75 I might have tried it. Anyone know about the dry crystalline form vs liquid?
Thanks
Judy <critterz@ > wrote:
<<Susan, I thought of you the other week when I read an
article from the HFS. Maybe I really shouldn't mention this
cause I don't have all the facts straight, but the article said something
that the powdered version of Q-10 was not as good as the liquid.
I forgot the reasons. :( I'm using the powder right now and
it's a pain. I think I'm gonna switch back to using the contents
of a softgel. I did notice at the HFS a bottle of Q-10 liquid,
if it wasn't $75 I might have tried it. Anyone know about the
dry crystalline form vs liquid?>>
I have never seen CO-Q-10 in a liquid around here! What was the brand, how much were they selling for $75, and what sort of bottle was it in? I have heard references to the "powdered" not being as good, but I don't know if this is referring to the "powder" found in most of the capsules that are sold, or all powdered CO-Q-10 in general, including the pure crystalline that I've been using. They don't *look* at all alike, FWIW. I figured also that if a level 1/4 tsp. of the crystalline (amount the size of only several "capsules") is equivalent to 1250 grams of CO-Q-10 as they say, then those capsules have to contain other stuff that's not Co-Q-10. Until I hear that the pure crystalline specifically is inferior to gelcaps, I'll probably keep using it, as the idea of popping open gelcaps to squeeze out the liquid is a pain in the neck, if you ask me. Then I'd have to think, how many (dozens?) of these would I have to open at once to get the equivalent of what I'm currently making up.... aw heck, it would mess up my whole accustomed routine... <g> Clearly, more facts need to be known about this stuff, though.
To Jean: I didn't think the Asha Pharma bulk prices were all that
expensive. When I compared the amounts (in grams) that I'd
be getting in all the bottled brands I saw sold in health food stores,
it came out to much lower cost (which influenced my decision to buy
it). I paid ninety-something dollars for what I got from them
a year and a half ago, and it's far from all used-up yet. I know
that if I'd been buying it in HFS on an as-needed basis, I'd have spent
much more than that by now. I just hope the quality of it is
good.
-- Susan
vitality wrote:
<< I have never seen CO-Q-10 in a liquid around here! What
was the brand, how much were they selling for $75, and what sort
of bottle was it in? >>
I popped in to a newly opened GNC, to check it out. It was there
I found the bottle of the liquid Q-10. This GNC opened up in a strip
mall, about 5 doors away from my (small) HFS :( The Q-10 wasn't
GNC's brand. It was in a brown glass bottle, I'm not sure of the
quantity. I think it might have come in 2 sizes. It was a popular
brand, one I've seen often. Maybe this will ring a bell, it's that
brand that has black labels, with bright colored words. I think they're
mainly for muscle building stuff. Keep in mind that I don't know about
the quality of this stuff either, cause when I saw the price tag I put
it right back on the shelf.
I dug through all my stuff, trying to find the article. No success.
Hi all
Peggy, you're sure right about the CoQ10. The smallest bottle I can
get here goes for $27. My homeopathic vet had suggested 10 mg twice a day.
But the capsules are 30 mg each, and I tell ya, there's *no way* I'm going
to waste any of it, so Kashmir gets about 25 mg (whatever I can squeeze
out of the capsule, which usually isn't all of it) once a day. I don't
think 30 mg is a minimum, but rather a standard. I'd be happy to use less
if I could find a capsule that contains less than 30. Especially since
the ones I have don't seem to re-seal themselves as thicker capsules do
after they've been pierced. Oh, for gingivitis, CJ Puotinen also recommends
bee propolis
tincture. That might be a cheaper way to go if the CoQ10 is to o expensive.
Take care
Kathy and the cats
Barb,
CoQ10 (coenzyme Q-10) is like a fat soluble vitamin in that it helps
the body function. It comes in capsule form. There are 2 web sites
that can provide you with more info:
http://www.mresources.co.uk/q10/intro-1.html
http://www.doglogic.com/coq10arndt.htm
Kat (New Jersey)
kashmir@ writes:
<< I wouldn't want to give *any* supplement if there weren't
conditions to warrant it, but that's just MVHO. Otherwise, I think
30 mg a day is about the dose you could give. >>
I read that 1 mg per pound is a good dosage for cats. So you can open the capsule and sprinkle part of the contents, and save the remainder for next time.
Elaine
splg@ writes:
<< Can anyone tell me what they know about this supplement? I'm
wondering if it is worth continuing to give it to Melba for her cancer.
>>
It's an excellent product--I take it myself. But it wouldn't be my number one choice for cancer. I'd go with proven anti-carcinogens, like pau d'arco, red clover, essiac tea, cat's claw, shark cartilage. These are all proven to fight cancer.
COQ-10 is great for the heart, and for gingivitis. It oxygenates. So while it may be helpful, I'd go with the big guns.
Elaine
The dental assistant at my holistic dentist told me something interesting last week.
She says that some studies have taken place which show a correlation between gum disease and heart disease. She says that there are maybe five or six different types of bacteria in diseased gums, but that each person has two or maybe three types max. What they have learned is that the exact same two or three types of bacteria in a sick person's mouth also penetrate the walls of his/her heart.
She says it isn't known how the bacteria gets to the heart or whether
the bacteria first shows up in the heart or the gums, but apparently
some heart surgeons are now insisting that their patients have their
teeth and gums thoroughly cleaned before they will operate on the
patients hearts.
This is just anecdotal. I don't know where the studies are.
Take it with a grain of salt, but I will say my dental assistant doesn't
seem prone to wild flights of fancy.
They do know that CoQ10 is good for the heart and good for the gums.
Kate
Emily wrote:
<<I think the reason for taking the CoQ10 is that it oxygenates
the blood. Oxygen fights off infection and disease. Bleeding gums and gingivitis
is just a symptom of a systemic problem.>>
Hi all
<<She says that some studies have taken place which show a correlation
between gum disease and heart disease. ... What they have
learned is that the exact same two or three types of bacteria in a
sick person's mouth also penetrate the walls of his/her heart.>>
That's interesting, Kate! I hadn't heard about the specific types of bacteria before. I've found quite a bit of info on the Net on CoQ10 and gum disease, heart disease etc - here are two URLs
Jean, the Sasket & Amber Pudgepot
Hi Carole
<<When I was picking up some of the suggested supplements I noticed that CoQ10 comes in gelcaps w/liquid inside and in capsules. Is there a significant difference in the two to justify the huge difference in price? >>
Yeah, isn't it shockingly expensive? :( The liquid is oil, and everything I have read says that CoQ10 must be used in conjunction with oil to be effective. I suppose you could use the crystals and add an oil to them... I don't have any info on whether that would be as good or not. BTW, if you do use crystals, you need to be sure there's no filler. One of our list members uses the CoQ10 from the AshaPharm site - http://www.ashapharma.com - they claim theirs is very pure.
Jean, the Sasket & Amber Pudgepot
<<When I was picking up some of the suggested supplements I noticed that CoQ10 comes in gelcaps w/liquid inside and in capsules. Is there a significant difference in the two to justify the huge difference in price?>>
Carole:
Was online and saw your question. I take CoQ10 for fibromyalgia-related
fatigue and have tried both the gelcaps and the capsules. The capsules
absolutely did not work at all, even at a higher dosage. Have seen
other people online post the same experience. Also, make
sure you know what you are buying. The last time I went to purchase
it, I noticed that the bottle
said "softgels" on it, but they were capsules. I brought it to
the sales clerk's attention, and she told me they were closely related
and that this was not improper labeling. Wrong! She had a quick
answer, so I don't think I was the first person who said something about
it. Also, it is better to divide the dosages up into three a day,
instead of giving one high dosage. Hope this helps.
Betty
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