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Date: 26 June, 1999
From: SLemken
Subject: Nosodes as vaccines

> >- George  Macleod: A Veterinay Materia Medica and clinical  repertory
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> I have that book and refer to it occasionally.  I notice there is a schedule in there, but I wondered if most who use nosodes do > use that schedule or a different one depending on which nosode is used.  Is that generally the dosage schedule that is used > with all nosodes?
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> >I prefer the way to use  which Macleod offers because he only uses 30C potencies - Celeste uses also 200c and 1000C and
> >they are very hard to get here in Europe.
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> I don't like the higher potencies either unless I'm using them under the direction of a homeopathic vet.
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> >I've an article about the normal vaccination / oral nosode-vaccination and their different success in a population of dogs -
> >there were made a study  in Kennel cough.
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> I'm very familiar with that study - I have what I think might be at least a few pages of the study.  The copy I have contains
> some charts showing the various different combinations of vaccinations or nosodes used.  Kennel cough, generally speaking,
> though, is not a killing disease, like panleukopenia can be in cats. ( I lost a cat to this disease many years ago  in spite of him
> being vaccinated for it.)  When they've done some successful trials with diseases that are a real threat with kitties, I would
> feel better about using nosodes.
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> Thanks for the information on this Simone.
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> Leah
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Hi Leah, Hi Nancy

please sorry for late answer -  I've  been a little bit over-stressed in my practice the last two days.

The schedule which is given in Macleod's book is only for using the nosodes as vaccines and only for 30C potency - when the nosodes are used for treatment the potency as well as the schedule of using is depending on the personnel condition of the patient and consequently a very individual thing - like always in the treatment with homeopathic remedies.

The study of Dr. Tobin in Kennel cough has been made in 1992 - maybe there are further studies now - I think I'll try to contact him and ask for this. My personal opinion  is: when it works in preventing Kennel cough there is no reason why it should not work for example in FIV?

The higher potencies are used by some homeopathic doctors because they are said  to prevent of the especially disease for a longer time -  A famous doctor from india said, that the 1000C potency  used twice in a distance of one week will protect for the rest of the whole life? I'm feeling better with the 30C potency in this case.

Though there are seldom  problems in cats by using the very high potencies you're going  right when you don't use them without the regimen  of an homeopathic  vet.

When I'll know something new in this case I'll naturally post it to the list.

Love and Light
Simone with Yaica, Lilly, Lisa, Blacky and Moreno

<<seems, before the powers that be isolated the viruses that cause this nasty stuff, that the plasma taken from individuals who had recovered from the disease was injected into others who haven't had the disease, as a preventive. Is this the nosode? Is it related to the way nosodes are made?>>

Yes, that is very similar to the technique used for making nosodes. Here in the US, I don't hear of nosodes being used through injection much (if at all) though. It is a potentized (dilution and succussion) homeopathic remedy made from diseased tissue or the product of disease used to prevent *or* treat the associated disease of the tissue material. (A Dictionary of Homeopathic Medical Terminology, Jay Yasgur). Nosodes can be used either therapeutically (treatment of disease conditions) or prophylactically (prevention of disease).

Leah

30 June, 1999
From:  JDevney
Subject:  Nosodes

I thought nosodes were used as cure, not preventive. Somewhere I got the idea homeopathy was about cure, not prevention. So, nosodes wouldn't be used in place of vaccines, right?

Also, if someone could speak to this: Back in the stone age, when I was pregnant with my son, the midwife and I were discussing vaccines. It seems, before the powers that be isolated the viruses that cause this nasty stuff, that the plasma taken from individuals who had recovered from the disease was injected into others who haven't had the disease, as a preventive. Is this the nosode? Is it related to the way nosodes are made? Just trying to form a map of this in my brain.

Debbie

Hi Debbie,

<<Explain something to me. I thought nosodes were used as cure, not preventive. Somewhere I got the idea homeopathy was about cure, not prevention. So, nosodes wouldn't be used in place of vaccines, right?>>

You are absolutely right; nosodes should be used just like any other homeo remedy - prescribed based on sx, not taken prophylactically. To me, using nosodes in place of Vax, is allopathic, and not based on homeopathic principles at all. Dr. H used nosodes successfully to treat a scarlet fever epidemic, and there is that kennel cough study floating around the internet. Nancy and I had an interesting pvt. discussion about this some time ago and we both felt that use of nosodes in an epidemic is quite different from routine use of it as a preventive treatment.

Recently we had someone post about her kitty having an adverse reaction to a nosode. It worries me when people just routinely take/give nosodes as a substitute for allo vax b/c just like any other homeo remedy, nosodes can cause provings and/or aggravations:(

Now, giving a nosode (or any other remedy) after a vax based on the Sx of the cat, is another story altogether, and if I ever vaccinated (the chances of that happening are about the same as a snowball in h*ll), I would definitely give my kitty a remedy post-vax.

<<Also there are sarcodes, which I believe are when the disease material is taken from your own body, processed and potentized, and given back to you to cure your own disease. If like cures like, I suppose it makes sense.>>

What you described is an isode, Lee. It is also known as an auto nosode. A nosode is when a remedy is prepared from one source e.g. saliva of a rabid d*g (Lyssin) and used to treat all w/ the same Sx. An isode is taken from the patient him/herself so in that sense, it's more individualized. But then homeopaths (some of the real hard-core ones) look down on Isopathy, so I'm confused about this issue. What else is new? LOL

A sarcode is a remedy made from *healthy* tissue, whereas nosodes are prepared from diseased tissue. For example, Thyroidinum is made from healthy thyroid material.

For those of u that think homeo remedies are benign and "free of side-effects" (how that phrase irritates me when I see it on combo remedy boxes!!), just thought I'd share that I had a proving from 1 dose of Thyroidinum taken in spring water. I would hate to see a cat suffer.

Sandy, owned and operated by the mountain cats
Listowner, Holisticat - nutrition, herbs, and homeopathy for cats

<<seems, before the powers that be isolated the viruses that cause this nasty stuff, that the plasma taken from individuals who had recovered from the disease was injected into others who haven't had the disease, as a preventive.  Is this the nosode? Is it related to the way nosodes are made?>>

Yes, that is very similar to the technique used for making nosodes. Here in the US, I don't hear of nosodes being used through injection much (if at all) though.  It is a potentized (dilution and succussion) homeopathic remedy made from diseased tissue or the product of  disease used to prevent *or* treat the associated disease of the tissue material.  (A Dictionary of Homeopathic Medical Terminology, Jay Yasgur).

Nosodes can be used either therapeutically (treatment of disease conditions) or prophylactically (prevention of disease).

Leah

<<<Does anyone on the list use nosodes on kittens? I would like to raise my kittens naturally as I have seen such an improvement in the health of my dogs. Does anyone have a source they use for kittens? I have very high hopes for them and want them to
reach their full potential.>>>

<<Hi Beverly, and welcome. This seems to be a bit controversial here so i don't mention it often, but I use nosodes for my 2 younger cats -- my oldest has had enough health problems that the allo vet doesn't bother me about it for her. All are indoor cats, btw. Cordelia, my 6-year-old, was only given nosodes when I first got her, beginning at age 8 weeks. Grimalkin, my year-old guy, had one series of vaccs with his foster family and then we did nosodes beginning when he was about 11 weeks. We did only the basics, no felv either, though I know there are nosodes for that too. We don't plan to do any more though since they
stay indoors. The one exception to this is rabies which is done by law in this state and we do nosodes for that too and only when needed to avoid a fine.

I don't know where to get nosodes because I get them through my holistic vet. If you'd like I can ask his office where they order them from but I'm not sure non-vets can get them directly.>>

In the UK we can get nosodes directly, from several homeopathic pharmacies that do mail order. Many breeders including myself, use the feline combination nosode (URI, FeLV, FIP, panleuk) on our kittens. I start at 3 weeks and give it every 3 weeks after that until they get their first allo vacc. at 9 weeks. I believe that the nosode does offer extra protection and also helps to mimimise side effects from the allo vacc.

Naomi

You are correct about the nosodes. They are supposed to be used as a cure. However, some folks have used it as a preventive. B ut...if there is nothing to cure, the action cannot be the same! Using a nosode as soon as an animal or a person develops a symptom would be the proper usage.

<<Explain something to me. I thought nosodes were used as cure, not preventive. Somewhere I got the idea homeopathy was about cure, not prevention. So, nosodes wouldn't be used in place of vaccines, right?>>

Hi Naomi,

the nosode-discussion is very controverse here on the list. Although I'm a fan of them and using them in my out-door kitties since several years - with success, I think - maybe they haven't also become ill without the nosodes, I don't know - but I feel more comfortable by protecting their lifes with the nosodes. Unfortunately here in Germany there are no Combos available for cats, but it is no problem to get homeopathics from the UK. So would you please be so kind to tell me where to get them - you can e-mail me privately. Thanks in advance.

Love and Light
Simone with Yaica, Lilly, Lisa, Blacky and Moreno