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Greetings! I will be assuming the host duties of this page for Lexington, so that he might work at other parts of the Clocktower. My name is Gabriel Moonshadow, and I will act as mediator in these discussions. Here we will discuss, argue, debate, and otherwise talk about the Science of Gargoyles. Everyone is welcome to post, this is an open forum. Names and email addresses have been removed from the posts in order to prevent any chances of spamming and/or flaming. This is a safe and fun forum, please don't hesitate to contribute.

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• Stone Posessions...
• Wing Type Dominance...
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• Here's a question:  We all know that anything considered by a garg to be their personal property, when in contact with them at dawn, turns to stone.  So what's the limits of this?  Or is it indefinate?  Sound off:
• According to Greg Weisman's vision, the peculiar phenomenon of gargoyles' possessions turning to stone resulted from a wizard's spell in Roman times. The problem was this: whenever humans came into contact with gargoyles, they were shocked by their nudity. The gargoyles, of course, saw nothing wrong with this. If they had ever tried to wear clothes in the past, they soon abandoned it because it just wasn't worth the trouble; whenever they turned to stone, their clothing stayed the same, and shredded to bits when the gargoyles awoke at sunset.

  As gargoyle-human contact increased, gargoyles tried to wear clothes so as to appear more "respectable". I think you can guess that this wasn't successful. So some Magus around the 1st century ad (supposedly the original Magus) cast a spell that somehow applied to every gargoyle everywhere. From that night on, a gargoyles' clothes and/or anything they considered a personal possession would turn to stone with them and be restored at sunset along with the rest of the gargoyle.

  And so that's the basic history of it for those who didn't know. Now, how far can this go? Well in "Awakening" we saw that Goliath's bandage (on his hand) did not turn to stone at dawn because it was not a personal article, it was only temporary. Demona's skimpy outfit remained relatively fresh over the centuries because it was restored like new every night. Broadway in "The Green" held the sun amulet when he turned to stone, but it did not. In general, most shots in the show have gargoyles fully stone, possessions in all. One exception that doesn't seem to make sense, but which is most likely an animation error, is that Hudson's sword doesn't always turn to stone when he does, yet it is a personal possession. Watch the show carefully and you'll see what I mean.

  In sum, anything that the gargoyle is not particularly attached to, or that is very newly acquired, will not turn to stone, so obviously there is some sort of time element built into the spell; my question is, how does the spell decide what will become stone and what will not?

• This contributer has made a good point by bringing up the "Master Plan."  The summary should help other posters understand the whys and hows of the stone posession spell.  Do you agree or disagree with the idea of the time element s/he mentioned?  And what are your reactions to the question s/he poses about determining the terms of the spell?
  And what is the limit on property?  Recent thoughts on some past experiences brought up this question: How far will the spell go?  If a gargoyle takes a pet, and happens to be in contact with it at sunrise, does it turn to stone?  If a gargoyle (God forbid Disney ever showing this!) took off his/her clothing, would it then not change because it was no longer in contact? Reactions?
• This is a very interesting topic.  I have been thinking about this for sometime now and I've come up with several possible answers.  The most reasonable answer could be that turning to stone is not just physical, but also mental.  Whether or not something that a Gargoyle will turn to stone at sunrise depends on his or her state of mind and their feelings toward the object itself.  Like I said that's one of a few possiblities that are floating around in my head right now.
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