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JACKDANIELites Mailing Lists Rules

List Rules for 2004 and onwards

Hello fellow JACKDANIELite...

Welcome to the list that shares the love for the lovers of Stargate SG-1, Colonel Jack O'Neill and Doctor Daniel Jackson.  You have joined this list as you appreciate the coupling like the rest of us and want somewhere to share your exuberance for their love displayed on our screens by their chemistry i.e: small looks, witty banter and long stares.

If you're a writer/poet/video-clip maker/artist/screen-captuerer (Yes, that is SO a word!) or if you want to be a writer/poet /etc etc...  but require a secure and friendly environment in which to test the waters, then you have come to the right place, my friend. 

JDlites is not about egos.  We are not a clique of friends who only talk to each other and no one else - we are a friendly, open and welcoming group that will take to you like a Jack to a returned Daniel.

If you're non of the above but have joined because you've heard how fabulous we are *blushes modestly!* then you are what we refer to as a Feedbacker.. and EVERYONE is a feedbacker, there's no trick to doing it, just politeness. See further down for hints on feedbacking to fellow JDliters.

Most of the information on this page is basic Netiquette so you probably know a fair bit of it by now anyway.  Still, a refresher course never hurt anyone, and there are a few rules here that pertain to this list, and this list, alone. 

Many, many THANKS to Jackette who took the time to write the original List Rules for the DANIELites back when it only had 100+ members!  These days, we don't run the DANIELites any more, but JACKDANIELites is co-owned by Jackette and myself so if you have any queries, let us know.  As a JACKDANIELite, your input into this list is valued, so if there's something you feel I have left off, please let me know off list via:

Email Slida   or   Email Jackette

Please take the time today to familiarize yourself with the List Rules of  JACKDANIELites.   After all, Daniel knows 23 different languages.. the least we can do is study the language of his list.. and of the Internet in general... making it a far more even playing field for us all. 

Most of the information on this page was correlated by Jackette.   Many thanks, hun!!                    Updated by Slida 24 Jan 2004


 Onto the Rules and Regulations

of the

JACKDANIELites 

Mailing Lists
PS - those that knew the DANIELites list rules when I ran the list will recognize a few of these.. ;-D

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Discussing Michael Shanks or Richard Dean Anderson on list....

Can I talk about Michael Shanks' or RDA's private life on the list?

How do I refer to him if I know he's in an upcoming event and I want to alert my fellow JACKDANIElites..?

Can I talk about Michael Shank's or RDA's comments regarding his character or the show?

How do I refer to him if I want to discuss a juicy rumor about him that I've heard, or his private life/ family etc..?


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Other general List Information...

Referring to Actors onlist?

Important URL's 

List Moderators

Age Statements

New members and/or Lurkers.

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Consideration for fellow JACKDANIELites...

- Privacy Act of the Mailing List JACKDANIELites  (Very Important. Please read several times if need be!)

- Responding to a previous posted message

- Subject Headers

- Spoiler Spaces for any information in ANY episode - no matter how old!

- Flaming a fellow poster

- Language used on list

 

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General List information

- On topic conversations

- Off topic conversations

- Posting Fan Fiction and Other such stuff

- Absolute No No's (and guaranteed to get you a message - on list - from ADMIN)

- Attachments

- X-posts / Chain Mail / Virus Alerts / E Cards

 

So, this ends the Rules and Regulations for posting to the JACKDANIELites.  If you feel there is something we've missed here please contact us off list to discuss it.  If you have any questions about any of this, also contact us off list to discuss it. 

Provided we all stick to the guidelines... thing will go smoothly on list and fun can be had by all.

Many thanks for your attention today,

 Slida (List Founder and Owner) and  Jackette (Co-Owner)

 

 


  

 


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Q: Can I talk about Michael Shanks' or RDA's private life on the list?

Short answer - No.

Long answer - A list poll on DANIELites(Aug 2003) showed that most people preferred the list rule of no actor talk to remain in place.  The reason the list rule exists is that many many lists exist out there for discussion about Actors and talk of their life, acting projects, rumours and gossips. 

We here at JACKDANIELites we prefer to discuss the CHARACTERS, the SHOW itself and the STORYLINES.  We might even dabble in the fantasy realm of the characters but, hey, who wouldn't, eh?

So do not talk about the Actor's private lives.  You may discuss their thoughts on the show or their character but do not join this list in the belief that this NO ACTOR TALK rule, if complained about enough on list,  will be changed. It has existed since 1999 and is the result of a promise made to Michael Shanks himself - by me, Slida, via Amanda Tapping and Chris Judge (2000).  They told me that he was grateful that one list didn't talk about his private life ad nauseam.  Still think I'm about to change my mind on the rule? No, I didn't think you would anymore.

If this rule is broken I do send a reminder via the list as I'm aware people sometimes forget. And that's okay - we all make mistakes.

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Q: How do I refer to Michael Shanks or RDA on list if I know he's in an upcoming event and I want to alert my fellow JDliter..?

 A: Thank you for considering your fellow JACKDANIELiters when discovering that an Actor is to appear on tv, magazine article, live chat on the internet, etc etc etc...!  I'm sure those around you will be grateful for the heads up!!! 

You should put the Actor's NAME in the SUBJECT line only and then put the information about the event in the body of the message.  Do not include a lot of discussion as this then invites the breaking of the NO ACTOR TALK list rule.. and I'm forced to do that horrible List Mom stuff by emailing the list and saying there's been a breach etc.. it's yuk so please don't make me go there.

 

 

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Q: Can I talk about Michael Shanks' or RDA's comments regarding their character or the show.

Provided you stay on track and just discuss his opinions of the show or character that has been allowed since the August List Poll.  We ask that you do not use his name though - so that you're less likely to slip into general conversation about him. By adhering to the Daniel's Actor  or Jack's Actor (or more simply DA/JA rule) you are constantly reminded (subtly, I believe) that this list is about Daniel and Jack - and not about Michael and Rick.

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Q: How do I refer to Michael Shanks or RDA if I want to discuss a rumor about him that I've heard, or ask about his private life/family etc..?

 A:                  Quite simply....

YOU DON'T

Never, ever, EVER discuss this man's private life on this list

  It's the quickest way to be shown to the Gutter Door, my friend!

 

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Q: How do I refer to other actors on list?

A: Presumably to discuss an upcoming appearance of the person on television, magazine article, live chat etc etc.. only.  Much like the rule about Daniel's Actor/Jack's Actor discussion of any other actor's private life on list is NOT PERMITTED.  I will address the offender on list - as more of a public reminder to ALL that an error has occurred than as a public  'wrist-slapping' exercise to the offending author.   It's not designed to belittle the author, however, as it often does, please help me out on this issue and just be careful   when posting. 

Even referring to RDA as Jack's Actor in a post that then goes on to discuss his private life is certainly a NO NO and will get you a warning.

So if you want to give a head's up to fellow JACKDANIELiter please refer to the actor by the ?Actor reference, much like with Daniel's Actor.  So, RDA becomes Jack's Actor.   AT becomes Sam's Actor.  CJ becomes Teal'c's Actor. TR becomes Janet's Actor. JRB becomes Martouf's Actor.... etc...etc...etc..  

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Important URL’s (gathered so far...)

Site Name

Site Author

Brief Description

Pepe's Place Pepe
Jack/Daniel slash.  Graphic m/m sex.  Some humour/ angst darkness.
Noel's Stargate Corner Noel Goddard SG fic and more!
The Commissary   Andrew Levy For those with a taste for the Zany!!! 
CoffeeSlash - FF by TheGrrrl TheGrrrl Assorted Fandoms. Graphic m/m sex.
The Huntress' FanFiction @ Area 52 The Huntress Fanfiction galore! m/m sex.
Alison's Jottings Alison Assorted fandoms/ Book recs/Ramblings
Gypsy's Gateway to Music Videos Oneofaradia Various music Vids - various fandoms
Orrymain's SG-1 Fan Fic Orrymain J/D Slash Happy Fic

           

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List Moderators -

Slida - slida@iprimus.com.au  (Australian time zone)

Jackette - jackette2001@yahoo.com  (USA  time zone)

If you have any concerns with something on list or you would like an opinion on something before posting it, simply email either of us off list and we'll will reply as soon as we can to you. 

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Age Statements -

Now seeing as this is a restricted list each member is required to submit an age statement to me before commencing on the List.

Please note that Age Statements need to come from the email addy that you're signed onto the list from. I don't need to know your date of birth, the country you were born in, how many fingers and toes you had at birth (or now even) - all I need is a declaration from you that you are over the age of consent in your country and take it upon yourself to view the contents of this restricted list.

To make it easier, I have even given you a start. By clicking on the Declaration below you should be able to send me an email that has it already in the subject header (Outlook users only)

Age Statement Declaration

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New Members -

Many new members like to sit and lurk for a while and we understand that. It's nice to learn the ropes of a new list before stepping up to the microphone.  However, it's been noted on several occasions that JACKDANIELites is quite different to many lists out there.  We nurture our Newbies, and we really want you to stand up, wave and say Hi.  It's not important to reveal where you live to the list, nor your age, unless you want to.

A typical 'first post' usually goes along the lines of a brief "Hello, my name's (and use your nick here if you want) and I've just joined."  You can add why you've joined (It's good for our ego if you say it's cos you've heard how wonderful we are!! LOL.. but whatever reason brought you to our door is fine by us).  First posts don't have to be serious, frivolity is ripe in the Gutter, as you will soon learn.  It's a fun place.  Jump on in and join us!

Also, though, it's full of people who know a lot about Daniel Jackson and Jack O'Neill, so ask any serious question you may have about them too, please!!   Introduce conversation - because as the new person - you will be adding a new perspective to a conversation.  Never feel like "Oh, they've probably discussed this before" because, well, many of us have been around since 1999 so we probably have, but unlike a lot of other lists, we're fine with discussing things again!  You won't be yelled at for asking a Newbie question, believe me!!  Provided you know the rules of the list, that is :)

Oh, and if you don’t understand something just ask us, we’d be more than happy to clarify something for you. Hey, some of these things have been going on since the conception of the list and you're not expected to know them straight away!

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Privacy Act as it exists on the Lists -

Please consider your friends on the list and never, ever repeat what is said in there - even with the very best intentions!  What is said within that List is for List Members only and not to be copied and pasted elsewhere, even if you're doing it to promote a story or because you want to 'praise' the List member etc.   It's even worse if you're doing it to fuel a petty argument but either way it's poor Netiquette and not something that will be appreciated by ANY JACKDANIELite, I can assure you.  Do it often enough and word will get around amongst List Mom's to be 'careful' of such-and-such member as they 'gossip'.

To avoid breaking Netiquette all you have to do is notify the author of the post that you would like to show their work/words to others and then it's up to them to yah or nah it. 

This is especially important in regards to Stories/Poems/Art work submitted to the list.  It's usually stated in Disclaimers that a story is not to be copied etc without written permission, so please heed that. Just email the Author of the piece and get their approval. 

If you wish to discuss content of the messages on list with people not on the list, that is also invading the privacy of your fellow JACKDANIELites.  Think of the list as a room, filled with like-minded people, who are carefree in how they express things etc etc. By repeating content you are betraying the trust that they have shown towards you by including you in their conversation.  It tantamount to Gossip, in several ways, even if it's not vindictive nor nasty.   Basically, do not discuss what is said in there in any great detail without finding out if the list is okay with it please. 

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Responding to a post on List -

When responding to a post on list, be sure to edit the original post in your reply so that only information you're responding to is included. There's nothing worse than wading through a long (or short) previous post to try to find the new response at the bottom.  It's something not many JACKDANIELites will put up with for too long, either, and you will be addressed on list about 'cropping' your messages from fellow members.  It's not nice to receive a message like that, so to avoid it, always remember to crop your messages before adding your comment at the bottom. 

Do NOT simply add a "me too" response to the TOP of a long winded message that you don't crop either.  That is probably one of the more annoying things on the internet so we try to avoid that in the JACKDANIELites's  mailing list.  It's netiquette anyway and something you'll be pulled up for on other lists as well.  Learn it now and avoid embarrassment in the future <{8^D)

There is a very real reason people don't like it either.  It's costly.  Some JACKDANIELites pay for download time and if they have to download a LONG message that really didn't need repeating, they have every right to be miffed at the poster. 

On the other hand, do not simply post a response without including SOME of the previous message.  It's very confusing and hard to follow. 

Just crop the post to match your response, and conversation will flow well on the list.

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Subject Headers -

The bane of many List Members lives.  If you're discussing something OT (refer to Rules for discussing OT matter) the be sure to put OT in your subject header.  Also, be aware of the header you're posting under.  If the conversation has digressed from the original header then change the header to suit the content of the post.  This is easy to do simply by adding the new header at the front of the old one, and putting the word "was" before the old header.  Do not remove the old header as people will not know it's a following post then.  So, to clarify, it would look like this:

[Subject header on previous message]      Daniel's Short Hair

then the conversation's drifted (as they do) to something about snow now (hey, I don't know.. I'm just making a point here)

The new header should read:   Snow ... Was: Daniel's short Hair

If it's an Off Topic post be sure to include that.   IE:  OT: Snow .. was Daniel's short hair.

If you're still unsure, a quick post to either of your List Mom's will be in order, I think.  We'll work it out together.

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Spoiler Spaces -

Nothing will annoy your fellow list sibs (or List Moms) more than if you reveal the plot of an upcoming episode before they have the chance to see it themselves.  DO not assume that because the show has been running a while that everyone knows each episode.  ALL conversation about episodes should have a Spoiler Space - but it's VITAL for any Season 3 or Season 4 episodes especially.

Do not put a SPOILER in the Subject header as that is .. well... dumb.

Be sure you don't start out on one subject then curve around to include a spoiler in your message at the bottom - then forget to put at the TOP that a spoiler is contained in your message.

Always state at the top of your message (not AFTER your spoiler space, and believe me, some have!) what episode it is you're spoiling.   Also include SPOILER for....  in your Subject line - but include it at the top of the body text as not everyone reads headers before opening a message. 

Lot's of people seem perplexed about Spoiler Spaces, and I'm never sure why.  It's very simple and nothing to be embarrassed about or confused by.  You don't need to be elaborate either (though there have been many amusing ones!). Personally I tend to *dot* mine as I'm a lazy so-and-so.

So a post by me would look like...

Spoilers contained for The First Ones..

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(I tend to put enough dots to send the top line off my screen.  It's no biggy how long it is, it's only of concern if it's not long enough and your very next line - which reveals the spoiler - is still visible at the bottom of the screen.  Then it's ineffectual and a waste of time, so doing it right the first time makes everyone happy.

It's not brain surgery, but it is common courtesy, so please remember it and don't fuss when using it.

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Flaming a fellow JACKDANIELite -

On list?  Not acceptable.

Off list? Entirely between you and them.

On this front we have been great. We can’t thing of one incident of flaming going on. In the event of flaming or an all out flame war all involved parties will be asked to cease and desist with the thread immediately. If action is required a decision will be made by the list moms at that time. If anyone should feel like they were flamed and we haven’t said or done anything about it please by all means let us know. Like I said we haven’t had any incidents regarding this and I don’t foresee any! :))  However, try to avoid bringing your List Mom's into a private argument please.  We are not here to fight your battles and will have a hard time 'siding' with people, depending on the circumstances though.  Most of our participation of a Flame will occur ON LIST so be aware of that also.

You will be flamed for flaming a fellow JACKDANIELite, let me assure you of that, especially if they are new.  We do not flame newbies on this list for asking a simple question.  We ask that everyone has patience with each other and if a post annoys you - YOU step back please.  Others will answer it, no doubt.

DO NOT USE CAPITALS when responding.  It implies YELLING on the internet and we prefer people did not yell at each other on list.  If your post is jubilant, then some YELLING happens, out of excitement and that's fine.   But try not to use it too much please.  It's hard on the eyes as well.

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Language on list -

While the list is made up of Adults, we ask that you avoid swearing excessively.  It just bothers some people and isn't really necessary to put your point of view across.  Remember, what is a swear word to some, may not be a swear word to others. Generally used terms like  "bl**dy' or "f*ck" if needed, are preferred on list. Please use them but, again, not excessively!

Also, please think before deciding to send a message to the list.  The tone of your message is very important and can sometimes start a flame without intending to.  Also, when reading messages, be careful not to misconstrue someone's message simply because you're tired or angry yourself. 

 

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On Topic conversation -

Simple.  Anything to do with the character of Dr Daniel Jackson or Colonel Jack O'Neill or the team members, or any SGC member.  ANYTHING to do with the series is considered On Topic.  Actor's lives is NOT on topic.  Actor's careers is NOT on topic.  In fact - Actors are NOT on topic.

Also, anything to do with the life of a JACKDANIELite is considered On Topic, as we try to encourage each other to share their lives (but you don't have to). 

 

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Off Topic conversations -

It might seem that most of what we discuss is off topic - well, off the topic of Daniel Jackson - but that's the nature of the list.   While OT stuff is permissible, try to keep it to a minimum.

When putting an Off Topic post onto the list, or when changing the content of a thread so that it goes off topic, then include OT in the subject header please.  That way List sibs who don't want to discuss anything BUT Daniel will know to avoid it.

 

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Posting Fan Fiction or other such items to the list -

Each JACKDANIELite is encouraged to share their creations with the list, whether it be a FanFiction, poetry, screen captures or piece of art work.  

We accept ALL forms of FanFiction on the list, and all forms of pairing, provided the content is about SLASH - no Gen please, we're slashers LOL

Posting Fanfiction

Please be careful to read the following as we have made some adjustments to the previous rules here.

Cover Page - every fic posted to the list must include a front page labeled 0/__(insert number of messages this will cover if known). Your cover page (for those that don’t know) should include the following, but isn’t limited to:

Title

Author

E-Mail

Rating (G, PG, NC17, R)

Disclaimer - general you don’t own them and aren’t making money off this

Summary - not 100% required :)) - hey we understand that sometimes what you should write would be a spoiler for your story

Warnings - ok now if your story has a character death in it you MUST warn the readers about that by simply typing CHARACTER DEATH in the warning section. Also you will need to warn others about anything that anyone could find even the least bit offensive (rape, incest, abuse). And be sure to warn about the violence level. SG-1 is an action adventure show based in the military so violence is expected in stories, but please let us know how much.

Misc Stuff - hey be sure to thank your beta readers. :)))

Each Email message will carry approximately 10 pages of a Word Document at 10 point font. 

Posting Adult or Slash FanFic - YES PLEASE DO THAT!!!!  :))

You do not need to put  ADULT FIC or SLASH FIC in the Subject Header for every post associated with this story as this IS a slash list.  You MUST alert us if Het is in your work though as it squicks some of us!!  Seriously!

Please be sure to give FEEDBACk to the author.   I know from experience that writing is a laborious task and usually the only reward is FEEDBACK.  Please remember to keep on list feedback positive and any negative feedback you may have can go off list to the author in private.  Not that I have the rights to, but I ask that you don't flame a fellow JACKDANIELite in private - especially about a fiction as it takes a lot of courage to send something you've written to the list and it's so nice to get positive feedback once it's out.

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Absolute No No's on the List -

Discussing Michael Shanks or RDA's private life is a no no.

Discussing any other actor's private life is an absolute no no.

Discussing rumors or feeding rumors on list is a no no.

Slandering the families / friends of the Actors is a no no.

Slandering fellow JACKDANIELites is a no no.

Impersonating Actors or friends of the Actors is a no no. As this is a character list - what happens in Actor's  real life is not important on this list.  If you're a genuine friend - good luck to you - but the info you have about them is of no interest to us (you'd probably not want to betray their trust anyway)  so keeping it to yourself pleases us all. 

Excessive rudeness in your responses to others is a no no.

Sending Chain Letters to the list is a no no.

Discussing what we discuss with non members is a no no.

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Attachments and Shared Files-

Due to the spread of virus' Attachments are no longer allowed on list. You cannot send an attachment to the list as I've deactivated the option at EGroups.  Also, you will not receive Attachments through this list.  If there's something you really want to share with the list add it to the FILES section at EGroups. 

To access the Shared Files :

Go to JACKDANIELites

Click on Files

Scroll down through the list then click the link to view the item

 

To upload a Shared File:

Go to JACKDANIELites

Go to Files

Click Add File

Write a suitable description for the File

Browse your drive for the file you want and his Upload.

Refresh your window and see if the item appears. If it does, click it and check it loads properly. 

Send a message to the list that you've updated the Files and give the File name so we can check it out.

Finally, thanks for sharing with the list!! :)

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Cross posting - sending chain mail - sending E cards - Virus Alerts - Political opinions

Cross posting is not really good Netiquette though at times it is necessary, we understand. However, excessive use of x-posting is annoying and not appreciated, so please avoid it.  Also, when cross posting sometimes you reveal information about others in your address line that they might not appreciate being sent to several lists (ie: Some people have email addies in their address book that reveal the real name of a Poster. When added to a long list for x-posting, everyone on that list sees the real name of that particular poster.  It might not be something they want bantered around.)

Sending Chain Mail is not appreciated on list.  No matter how good the intention, we don't want to be subjected to chain mail so please do not send it. 

Sending E Cards is a nice 'occasional' thing however avoid excessive use of them.  To wish someone on list a happy birthday, send the notification to their private addy, not the list.  If you're sending something to the List, send it to the list, but don't send a heap of cards to the list please.  While a nice thing to do, it can get annoying after a while.  

Virus Alerts should be carefully checked out before sending them to the list.  While the intention behind the warning is good, it is usually not met with a good reception.  By taking the time to check it at known "Virus Alert" sites (sorry, I don't know any off hand! LOL).

Political opinions are not appreciated on JACKDANIELites.  Remember that this is a multi-Cultural list and what pertains to you and your country will not be of immense interest to JACKDANIELites from other parts of the world.  Your views are your views but they do not relate to the List in any way so please refrain from bringing up this awkward subject with us.

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