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1 Q It was on a rowboat?
2 A Yes.
3 Q Okay. What did you do in the woods that time?
4 A We just -- we didn't do anything. We just went, um,
5 out in the, um -- in the water.
6 Q Now, you told, um, Doctor Betty that the time that
7 the -- Mr. Bob shot the lion that this was out in the woods
8 at the Hayes; do you know where the Hayes is?
9 A Yes.
10 Q Okay. Can you tell me what kind of a place that is?
11 A It's out by a bridge.
12 Q Okay. And how did you get there?
13 A We -- we, um, we walked there.
14 Q Okay. Who walked there?
15 A Mr. Bob and me and Alex and Will.
16 Q Okay. You told Doctor Betty that one time you went
17 out there that there was an old pirate ship out there that
18 you saw it sink?
19 A Yes.
20 Q Somebody shot it with a cannon and the boat sank?
21 A Yes.
22 Q Who shot the pirate ship with a cannon?
23 A I don't know.
24 Q Okay. Now, was that a true story?
25 A No.
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1 Q Okay. Why did you tell that story?
2 A It was just on a movie.
3 Q You saw it on a movie?
4 A Yes.
5 Q Okay. Now, you told Doctor Betty that your dad was
6 there with you when that happened; was that the truth?
7 A Yes.
8 Q Okay. Well, were you ever really there at all?
9 A No, I just saw it on a movie out on a boat.
10 Q Okay. Did you ever go to the Hayes at all?
11 A Yes.
12 Q Who did you go there with?
13 A With my dad.
14 Q Okay. Did you ever go with Mr. Bob?
15 A Yes.
16 Q Was your dad there that time?
17 A No.
18 Q All right. Well, what happened the time you went
19 with Mr. Bob?
20 A We just, um -- we just went out on a little beach.
21 Q Okay. What did you do when you went out on a little
22 beach?
23 A We found this thing that used to be a cannon.
24 Q You found an old cannon?
25 A Yes.
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1 Q Okay. Well, now, was it a real cannon?
2 A Yes, it used to be, but, um, the fire thing broke
3 off.
4 Q Okay. What else did you do while you were there?
5 A I don't know.
6 Q Were -- was Alex and Will with you?
7 A Yes.
8 Q Okay. And how did you get there that time?
9 A We just walked.
10 Q You walked there; where did you walk from?
11 A We, um, we drove there but we stopped, um, somewhere
12 and then we walked the rest.
13 Q Okay. When you started driving where did you start
14 driving from?
15 A From the day care.
16 Q Okay. Where were you when you stopped?
17 A Where those cannons -- those three cannons were.
18 Q Okay. You saw three cannons?
19 A (Nods head).
20 Q Okay. And you started walking then?
21 A Yes.
22 Q And you walked until you got to the Hayes?
23 A Yes.
24 Q Okay. And that's where you found the old cannon?
25 A Yes.
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1 Q Okay. Did you do anything else that time?
2 A No.
3 Q What did you do after you found the old cannon?
4 A We just, um, we just went back to the day care.
5 Q Okay. Do you remember what you were -- when you were
6 riding what you were riding on that time?
7 A No.
8 Q You don't remember whether it was a car or a truck?
9 A It was a truck.
10 Q Okay. Do you remember what kind of truck it was?
11 A It was Mr. Bob's truck.
12 Q Okay. Was that his plumbing truck?
13 A Yes.
14 Q Now, is that a true story, Richard?
15 A Yes.
16 Q And the one that you told to Doctor Betty is not
17 true?
18 A No.
19 Q Now, you told Doctor Betty that ah, -- when she asked
20 you if there were any animals at Little Rascals that they
21 had a mom and a father and two little dogs in a cage; do you
22 remember telling her that?
23 A No.
24 Q Okay. Did you ever tell her that?
25 A Yes.
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1 Q Okay. Did you ever see that at the day care?
2 A No.
3 Q Okay. So that was not a true story, was it?
4 A No.
5 Q Okay. So you weren't telling the truth when you
6 talked to Doctor Betty?
7 A I was, but I just, um, saw it on the playground.
8 Q Okay. What did you see on the playground?
9 A I saw, um, a dog and some -- I saw some things in
10 cages.
11 Q What did you see in cages?
12 A A dog, and -- and two snakes.
13 Q A dog and two snakes?
14 A Yes.
15 Q Were they all in the same cage?
16 A No.
17 Q Okay. They were in different cages?
18 A Yes.
19 Q Richard, was this at the day care, the big brick
20 building with the glass doors?
21 A Yes.
22 Q It was. Okay. Was it out in the playground there?
23 A Yes.
24 Q Now, who had the dog and the snakes that were in the
25 cages; who did they belong to?
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1 A I don't know.
2 Q Do you know who put them there?
3 A No.
4 Q Did the other children see them?
5 A Yes.
6 Q Okay. Did the other grown-ups there see them?
7 A Yes.
8 Q Can you tell me what the dog looked like?
9 A I forgot what it looked like.
10 Q Okay. Can you tell me what the snakes looked like?
11 A They were green snakes.
12 Q What happened to them?
13 A I don't know.
14 Q Okay. Did they stay there a long time?
15 A Yes.
16 Q Were they there more than one day?
17 A They were only -- they were only there for one day.
18 Q Okay. They were there for one day; do you know who
19 took them away?
20 A No.
21 Q Now, is that a true story?
22 A Yes.
23 Q Richard, when you were at Little Rascals, did you
24 like Ms. Dawn?
25 A Yes.
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1 Q Okay. Did she ever do any bad things?
2 A Yes.
3 Q She did?
4 A Yes.
5 Q Okay. What kind of bad things did she do?
6 A She touched some people.
7 Q She touched some children?
8 A Yes.
9 Q Who were the children that Ms. Dawn touched?
10 A Alex and Will and me.
11 Q Okay. Where did she touch Alex?
12 A On the bottom.
13 Q Okay. And where did she touch Will?
14 A On the wee-wee.
15 Q And where did she touch you?
16 A She touched me on the wee-wee.
17 Q Okay. Did that all happen at one time or was it
18 different times?
19 A It was different times.
20 Q Okay. When Ms. Dawn touched Alex where was she then?
21 A She was in the kitchen.
22 Q Okay. Who else was in the kitchen?
23 A Nobody else.
24 Q How did you see that happen?
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