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TeenIdol
Keenspace Cadet, First Class

Posts: 76
Registered: Sep 2000

posted 12-05-2001 11:10 AM    
That's really all I had to say about that.

But since you're here...

DOES IT MAKE A DIFFERENCE IF YOU PUT THE QUESTION MARK FIRST IN THIS SERIES OF PUNCTUATION?!?!

DOES IT SOUND DIFFERENT WITH THE EXCLAMATION MARK FIRST!?!?!

CAN I DO THIS??!!

HOWS ABOUT THIS?!@&^%@!*

really doesn't work so well in lowercase, does it?!?!?


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BoxJam
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posted 12-05-2001 11:15 AM
Since an interbang has the exclamation point
inside the question mark, and the question
mark is open on the left, closed on the right,
I always put the exclamation point left of the
question mark.

Never mind that the very page I linked to, in
an example, has the excamation point right of
the question mark.

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mousekie
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posted 12-05-2001 01:40 PM
now see, to me, ?!?!, !?!?, ??!! and !!?? are all different things, presenting different levels of curiousity/confusion and surprise/alarm.
thus:
?!?! is a mixture of questioning and surprise, with curiosity predominating while
!?!? shows predominant alarm, mixed with confusion.
??!! (one of _my_ favorites) indicates questioning, with some concern about the implications of the question and/or answer.
!!?? indicates astonishment, with confusion or curiosity about the source of same.

and it works _fine_ in lower case (honestly, why does everyone have to _shout_ all the time?)

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Somebody Strange
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posted 12-06-2001 05:27 AM
Hmm. Interesting. I've actually never seen (or at least consciously noticed) either ??!! or !!??, but I'm a frequent user of:

?!
!?
?!?
and
!?!

I seldom go to four marks (as in ?!?! or !?!?), just finding it to be slight overkill. But I'd always felt that the four that I use have specific meanings.

?! -- primarily a question, but some alarm
!? -- an emphatic statement, but one that I cannot verify with total certainty
?!? -- quite confused, somewhat alarmed
!?! -- quite alarmed, somewhat confused

I know those are minor differences. I also tend to utilize "proper" punctuation first, followed by its counterpart... so:

Your sister told me to eat a bug!?!
--Your sister told me to eat a bug, and I'm amazed at this, and somewhat confused.
Your sister told me to eat a bug?!?
--You just told me that your sister told me to eat a bug, and I'm trying to confirm information that has seriously bewildered me.

But then again, I've already been in an argument this year with someone about the specific degrees of intensity for "good" vs "pretty good" and whether a smile or a grin is the bigger one that shows teeth.

--Strange/Dave

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Lee Herold
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posted 12-06-2001 09:07 AM
Hey, Dave. My sister told you to eat a bug.

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Somebody Strange
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posted 12-06-2001 10:29 AM
Your sister told me to eat a bug%\
Brad J. Guigar
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posted 12-07-2001 06:51 AM
How cool to find out that I'm not the only one who spends time thinking about this stuff!

Here's how I perceive it. There are only two versions:

?! -- A question asked with extra gusto

!? -- An exclamation that happens to be a question (rhetorical questions, etc.)

As far as the extra ?s and !s, they just serve to increase the intensity of the first two Indicator Punctuation Marks. The actual marks and the order in which they are tacked onto the end is inconsequential.

At some point, though, they reach the Point of Decreasing Returns at which they actually *decrease* they intensity of implied emotion. That point is somewhere between five total punctuation marks and seven.

Further testing is needed.

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Greystone Inn

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Somebody Strange
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posted 12-07-2001 09:07 AM
Further testing is needed?!?!?!?

::gasps, spews cola out nose, does flip-take::

broberds
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Posts: 276
Registered: Jul 2000

posted 12-07-2001 09:18 AM
quote:
Originally posted by Brad J. Guigar:
How cool to find out that I'm not the only one who spends time thinking about this stuff!

Here's how I perceive it. There are only two versions:

?! -- A question asked with extra gusto

!? -- An exclamation that happens to be a question (rhetorical questions, etc.)

 


I feel pretty much the same way, and I've been known to spend a long time dithering over which is best suited to a particular application.
OK, it's only a couple of seconds. But it seems like a long time.

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mousekie
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Registered: Nov 2001

posted 12-07-2001 08:22 PM
i personally would denote 'question asked with extra gusto' as '??'(aka interogissimo) - but to each his own idiom (why, only today i encountered someone - apparently gainfully employed in a responsible (non-marketing) position - who employed 'dialog' as a verb - i mention this only to demonstrate my own open-mindedness). these may be 'minor differences' - but the ability to express such tiny shades of meaning is what makes english so wonderful.
Brad J. Guigar
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posted 12-08-2001 05:18 AM
That's a really good point. Although I think ?? is best suited for a question asked in astonishment.

The difference:

?! (gusto): You asked the question because you really want to know the answer.

?? (astonishment): You asked the question and you can't believe you're even asking the question!

Your right. English *must* be unique in this respect. You don't see the French sitting around in sidewalk cafes, holding their cigarettes backwards, discussing these issues.

 

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~~Brad
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Inducing Morality in Sea Monkeys

posted by Wabbit on 3/26/2001

(from Straight Dope Message Boards)

sea monkeys in their natural terrainThe question of whether or not morality can be induced in another species has troubled me for some time. In an attempt to answer this question, I performed an experiment on some sea monkeys I happened to acquire (note: I chose sea monkeys b/c the package they came in clearly showed them living in stable familial groups and that their technology level was high enough to enable them to construct fairly complex shelters). The results--posted below--were inconclusive so I was wondering if anyone had performed similar experiments. If so, I would appreciate it greatly if you would post your results. Thank you for your time.
Wabbit

INDUCING MORALITY IN SEA MONKEYS

29 January 1998: Initial Experiment

i am the one, true cat in the hatIn an attempt to induce an organized system of morality in the sea monkeys I received at our office Christmas party, I've decided to introduce them to religion. This was done by lowering a 2 inch, plastic Cat-in-the-Hat icon into their environment. It is hoped that the sea monkeys will, by being confronted with an overwhelmingly large and (to them) incomprehensible event (i.e. the introduction of the plastic icon into their jar), begin to formulate some sort of belief in the supernatural in order to explain the previously mentioned 'event'. In the second stage of this experiment, I have decided to use a straw to randomly remove a few sea monkeys from their jar and then (after a few minutes of vigorous shaking) return them to the jar. It is hoped that this experience will induce a significant proportion of the abducted sea monkeys to claim that they have 'special knowledge' of their environment (i.e. there's a big guy on the outside of our jar who enjoys torturing us) and then become the precursor's of a new priestly class by using this insight to scare the hell out of their peers.

3 February 1998: Preliminary Results

I have been unable to observe any signs of religious activity among the sea monkeys (no visible haranguing of the masses, no signs that the sea monkeys are nailing each other to trees, etc.) since the introduction of the Cat-in-the-Hat icon into their tank. Given this information, I hypothesize that brine shrimp have a 'steady state' type of religious consciousness wherein the entire culture converts en mass to whatever morality system is articulated by the 'priestly class' (in this case the 'Abductees' which, I might add, were incredibly hard to capture)--hence no religious conflict and no need to harangue folks or to nail heretics to chunks of wood, etc.
i am mr. potato head, frequent my side of the jar EXPERIMENT 1A: In an attempt to induce some sort of religious conflict in the Sea monkey community, I have introduced a vibrating Mr. Potato Head icon to the other side of the glass jar (this is interesting in and of itself--who in the world would come up with the idea of converting a standard Mr. Potato Head into some sort of massaging device?! Amazing....). I feel that the Mr. Potato Head icon, with its goggly eyes, blindingly orange nose, and paunchy build, will cause the sea monkeys which (by design or accident) frequent it's side of the jar to display social and moral characteristics which are substantially different from the ones displayed by the Cat-in-the-Hat devotees. In addition, I will utilize the vibration mode of the Mr. Potato Head to 'rock the sea monkey's world' by causing it to shake the entire jar for a few moments. It will be interesting to see if the faith of a few zealots (i.e. the Abductee's on the Cat-in-the-Hat side) will be sufficient to maintain the old religious system in the wake of the societal vibrations caused by Mr. Potato Head.

3 March 1998: Final Results

sea monkey family in epiphany I am sorry to announce that my experiments on inducing morality in sea monkeys must be considered an unmitigated failure. At no time during the experiments did I see any evidence of moral behavior or even immoral behavior from the test subjects (although, with a strict Puritanical worldview, aimlessly roaming around their jar could be considered 'immoral' I suppose). In addition, further experimentation is now impossible as the test subjects had the bad grace to 'pass on' over the weekend. The cause of death is uncertain--their numbers had been diminishing steadily for weeks) as my attempts to perform an autopsy on several of the larger corpses caused them to be mashed into an unrecognizable . There is no hard evidence linking the unfortunate demise of the sea monkeys to my attempts to instill moral fiber in them, however. I believe the experiment failed because it was not undertaken in a controlled laboratory setting. The unbridled enthusiasm of my co-workers once they learned of my experiment led to several 'contamination events' during the course of my studies including: abducting the entire biosphere in a well-intentioned attempt to 'rescue' the sea monkeys (I should note that I found the poor buggers sandwiched between a gigantic portrait of someone's glowering family and a hulking, faceless lace angel figure--I don't doubt that the rapid transition from the relatively benign Mr. Potato Head/Cat-in-the-Hat environment to this harsh reality would shock even the most settled culture). In addition, several lame attempts at humor such as putting an 'Arbeit Macht Frei' sign over the sea monkey biosphere and calling me 'Herr Doktor Mengele' in front of the test subjects could not help but introduce even more moral structures than were already influencing them. Lastly, and most seriously in my professional opinion, several of my co-workers got carried away in their enthusiasm for my work and literally encrusted the entire biosphere with plastic figurines of slavering lizards, bug-eyed frogs, and various unsavory arachnids. When I arrived, there were so many of these hellish idols clustered around the experiment that there was no way that the test subjects could get sunlight, much less see their 'gods'. One can only wonder what the abrupt eclipse of a culture's holy icons by such demonic figures would have on the general populace. Obviously the lack of a laboratory environment seriously contaminates any results that can be gleaned from this experiment.

On a final, more optimistic note, I did notice that the sea monkey jar was positioned by my 'When in trouble, when in doubt; run in circles, scream and shout' sign. Although I never heard any 'shout outs' from the test subjects, they certainly swam in circles constantly. Perhaps I didn't induce morality in them, but I surely induced confusion. Any way you slice it, I got my $1.50's worth of fun out of them....

The Bat Turn

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The the Bat Turn allowed the Batmobile to make a quick 180° turn (useful if you are being followed by the Penguin). Should you find yourself in the Batmobile and require a quick 180°, open you web browser to this page and follow these steps. These directions are based on the "original" 1966 model of the Batmobile. This is the Batmobile that weighed three tons and maxed out at 80 mph.

pull this lever, my little chum

The first step is to check for a wide enough berth to turn the Batmobile around. Bear in mind that it is about 20 feet long.

Pull the handle marked "EMERGENCY BAT-TURN LEVER" on the left side of the steering column. Be careful not to pull the BAT-GEAR CHANGER by accident.

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This will release the BAT PARACHUTES, slowing down the Batmobile.

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I guess you should start turning left or right so that the car actually spins around. Don't forget to release the parachutes when you have reached the ideal speed for turning around. To do so press the "PARACHUTE JETTISON BUTTON."

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Presto! Once you have released the parachutes you should find yourself facing the direction you came from (in this case back toward downtown Gotham City).

holy recycling!

Make sure to call the Batmobile Parachute Pickup Service (actually just Alfred) with the general location of the parachute. If the parachute is not run over by your arch-villain it can often be reused.

how many bat cars are there?

Notes:

In the 2001 model of the original 1966 Batmobile (now you explain this to me) the EMERGENCY BAT-TURN LEVER has been moved and renamed to simply BAT TURN. Check this updated picture. 

I've found yet another picture of the BAT-TURN. This one is supposedly taken in 1966 and shows the lever in yet another location (on Robin's side no less). It seems that someone went a little overboard with the BAT-LABELER back in the cave.

This just adds credibility to the old axiom, in any superhero vehicle (Wonder Woman's jet, Aquaman's Seahorse), it is a good idea to familiarize yourself with the features of that particular super conveyance before you take her out for a spin.

The Batmobile was based on the 1955 Lincoln Futura concept car. The designer was inspired by a scuba-diving encounter with a shark.

It was customized by George Barris. No, not that Barris.

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I don't think these guys could fit in the car anymore.

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