DEBATES: Franz & Jeff & Carl

Monday, 20th December, 1999
TOPIC:  CATASTROPHY IN VENEZUELA, HAARP,
                NEW WORLD ORDER

( STILL UNREVISED, INEDITED VERSION)

You have just entered room "panta98 Chat73."
ScnWrt has entered the room.
panta98:Hi again, Carl
panta98:Jeff is not online.
panta98:Did you hear about the disaster in Venezuela In the
news?
panta98:Carl, please try and invite Jeff to our Chat room. I can't
get hold of him.
loner11001 has entered the room.
loner11001: hi guys
panta98:Hi Jeff, how are you? This is Jutta.
ScnWrt: Hi, Jutta
panta98:Hi Carl!
loner11001: hi there. so how is the weather down there?
loner11001: we have 20 below zero up here
panta98:We are lucky that the Federal State of Merida has not
been hit by the disaster!
loner11001: or weather manipulation?
ScnWrt: We were concerned
panta98:They say there are 20 000 people dead so far. But we
think it must be at least 50 to 100 000
ScnWrt: Agreed
loner11001: that sounds more realistic
panta98:I'll give you some overview, and then we'll talk about
why and how it happened.
loner11001: go for it
ScnWrt: I've been following the event on www.cnn.com
panta98:Rainfalls started on Monday, continued Tuesday and
Wednesday, and got really bad on Wednesday night...
panta98:... the famous day of the "referendum" - Venezuelans
decided on the new constitution that day...
panta98:... and because the mass media totally focused on this
political event, nobody knew, that about eight Federal States were
with the water up to their throats already..
panta98:... One of the heaviest impacts came about in the Federal
State of Vargas, just along the coast, near Caracas, the Capital...
panta98:....entire communities were swept away with loads of
water and mud...
panta98:... the mud about 3 meters high. The water also swept a
big deal of the local mountains down, and the rocks destroyed the
foundations of many buildings, so they fell and were swept away
into the sea...
loner11001: whew
panta98:... we saw an amateur's video they showed on TV, who
had filmed in one of the disaster zones...
panta98:... and for more than an hour you could watch the
disaster building up.
panta98:Hundreds of thousands of people lost their homes and
families and loved ones and friends and neighbours...
panta98:... and the military and civil organisations are still trying
to get loads of people out of the disaster zone....
panta98:... they say they have never experienced anything alike
here in this country...
panta98:... as usually rainfalls never hit that hard as was the case
now...
panta98:...they have had natural disasters of a similar kind about
fifty years ago, but never one that dramatic!
panta98:Nobody really understands, what is happening, and you
can imagine, that first thing we thought about, was that weather
manipulation thing of HAARP....
loner11001: Sounds like it's haarp
panta98:... It's so ironic: The Venezuelan authorities did have a
huge problem, what to do with all those slums around Caracas
and all the densely populated area around Caracas and along the
coast...
panta98:...where mostly poor people live, and where they had
the highest rate of criminality in all Venezuela...
loner11001: has the rain stopped then?
panta98:... It seems the rain has stopped for now, although the
weather information is contradictory...
panta98:... they show you satellite fotos on TV, explaining that
the vast deal of rain conditions has disappeared...
panta98:... and yet the forecasts on "the weather channel"
predict more rain to come within the next days...
loner11001: is this the time of year it usually rains?
loner11001: the rainy season?
panta98:No, Jeff, the rain is supposed to stop by mid-December, and
set in again only in March/April
loner11001: i see
ScnWrt:What has this event done politically? For the
President and new Constitution?
panta98:... the entire weather pattern has changed...
loner11001: yes. it seems we are in for more of same too
panta98:Carl, the "hit" is, the disaster sort of fits completely
into the governments plans of relocating entire communities
due to "bad housing conditions" ....
ScnWrt: Unusually warm in NYC area USA
loner11001: colder here than it has been in recent years
panta98:The current president Hugo Chavez has been long
announcing his relocation plans and plans to make new towns and
let people settle down in areas of Venezuela, where the
geostrategic conditions should be a lot better ...
panta98:.. So this comes as sort of a horrible surprise, but fits
exactly into the announced relocation and re-settlement plans of
the government, concerning the destruction of all those slum
quarters around Caracas and also of the communities that settled
down in "geostrategic" instable areas, like near rivers, on the
mountains, etc....
panta98:Now, my question to the two of you, Carl and Jeff:
loner11001: ?
panta98:Remember that they said, that HAARP is about
beaming massively radio signals into the ionosphere in order to
change global weather patterns? ...
loner11001: indeed i do, yeh
loner11001: and it seems to be working
panta98:... Could they manipulate weather conditions with
exactitude, as far as the spot is concerned, where they want to
manipulate it?
loner11001: yes indeed they can
ScnWrt: Yes, indeed
panta98:Say, they want a rain storm just over one spot, and they
do it?
loner11001: but i think it cannot be contained
ScnWrt: Yep
loner11001: well
loner11001: we will see
loner11001: i think their meddling is going to produce one huge
global strom
loner11001: storm
panta98:What I don't understand is the "reaction chain"
between the radio signals that hit the ionosphere, and the
weather effect in the troposphere...
loner11001: i don't think they know as much as they pretend to\
loner11001: by boiling the ionosphere they can create a mirror effect
panta98:... I know, that the ionosphere is crucial for radio
transmission, especially short-wave, as the radio waves are
reflected in the ionosphere and bent down to earth again...
loner11001: is this that makes the whole thing possible
loner11001: sorry my understanding of it is limited
panta98:... but, in terms of weather manipulation, I don't quite
manage to understand the link.
panta98:Can anybody help me here?
loner11001: well nick begitch has a page
loner11001: he is the guy that originally warned the world against
haarp
panta98:Carl, do you have any knowledge about how that works,
or can you give a website where we could go into details?
panta98:Jeff, do you happen to have the website address?
ScnWrt: The Haarp radio signals could affect the omni matter in the
ionosphere (re:Tesla)
loner11001: john quinn also has been covering haarp developments
in the montauck new york area
loner11001: montauck
panta98:Carl, what is omni matter?
loner11001: ether
loner11001: the electromagentic energy
ScnWrt: According to William Lyne, it exists everywhere.
panta98:Sorry, guys, does the "ether" really exist? As far as I
recall, it has not been "proven" as yet.
loner11001: and by the way in 10 days we are supposed to get hit by
160 major solar flares
loner11001: yes maxwell the mathematician proved it in the 1700's
panta98:... What would be the effects of those solar flares?
loner11001: the illuminati deliberately took out the ether factor in his
equation
loner11001: i imagine that the weather would be effected by so many
at once
loner11001: this is unprecedented
panta98:... Yes, Maxwell's theory of light was one side of the
story. The particle theory of light is the other side, that
"rejected" the ether hypothesis, if I'm not mistaken here.
loner11001: they wrote in the rejection
ScnWrt: That was a different concept of ether
loner11001: took out the original equation with the ether principle in
it.
loner11001: retarding us severely
panta98:Carl, can you explain further, please?
ScnWrt: For example, the ether around your home electric meter
feeds back electromagnetic energy into the system...
ScnWrt: and you pay for it
panta98:.. so the "ether" is supposed to be the "medium" in
which electromagnetic energy is being "transmitted" ?
ScnWrt: Ether is simply electromagnetic energy, it exists
everywhere...
loner11001: i think they are one and the same
loner11001: right
panta98:Agreed. I agree to this definition. Thank you, Carl.
ScnWrt: They are the same
loner11001: at any rate tesla was able to manipulate the weather
back in the 1920's
panta98:Once again: how would they avoid wrong targeting with
their weather manipulation?
panta98:Tell me more about Tesla's weather manipulation in the
20's, Jeff.
loner11001: i do'nt think their targetting is so precise
ScnWrt: Effects, such as running your computer and weather control
result from electromagnetic radiation restoring its own equilibrium
loner11001: well by 1922 i believe he had a type of haarp that could
change the weather and even produce earthquakes
loner11001: but the person that really was the mover and shaker of
weather changing\
loner11001: was Willhelm Reich
ScnWrt: Jeff, agreed. However, I don't think they need precision to
achieve their political goals
loner11001: with his rosande's and orgone energy he could even
disspiate dangerous electrical storms
panta98:According from what Carl just said, there are multiple
effects of electromagnetic radiation, not only weather patterns.
loner11001: no, precision is not necessary, carl
ScnWrt:need precision
loner11001: i think they want to try to generate a global storm
loner11001: a huge monster storm
panta98:.. I am aware of Reich's experiments, note however, that
they made everyone believe, that Reich was totally nuts...
loner11001: ongoing
loner11001: same with tesla
loner11001: and anyone else that isn't cult
panta98:.. and today they still use devices developed by Reich
regarding "storm control"...
loner11001: the mind control also employed reichian technology
panta98:How come I never heard about Tesla before? Only
through you, Jeff and Carl, have I come to hear of him.
loner11001: because he had the power to free us all
loner11001: he tried to free the world
panta98:.. Is Tesla only known in the United States?
loner11001: not at all
loner11001: he is a serbian after all
panta98:... excuse my ignorance here, guys ...
loner11001: he has meticulously been erased
panta98:... like Reich...
loner11001: out of the 80 trunks of his notes
ScnWrt:He could have put the oil and electric
power companies out of business
loner11001: one has been given to us through the belgrade tesla
museum
loner11001: he invernted everything we use today
loner11001: electricity
panta98:... It's a sad story, how they firstly declare people nuts,
and then use their ideas and technology for their dirty purposes...
loner11001: electric engines, turbines.. on and on
loner11001: yes criminal
loner11001: specially as tesla was not cult and resisted them
loner11001: he was so powerful they could not assassinate him
loner11001: they had to wait till he died
panta98: Carl and Jeff, I have to go for our nightly radio contact
with my brother Martin, who sits out there in the mountain. So I
will hand over to Franz, now. Give him some minutes to re-read
our chat so far. Was a pleasure "talking" to you. Take care and
"yours sincerely": Jutta!
loner11001: then they used his and reich's inventions to enslave us
loner11001: take care dear jutta
loner11001: stay dry!
ScnWrt:Be well, Jutta
panta98:Hi! Here is Franz again! How are you Guys? Millennia
Fever?
loner11001: watching your "event" and keeping fingers crossed
panta98:I am just reading a few lines back, to catch your train of
thought. Just a minute, please!
loner11001: no prob
loner11001: by the way icq has a voice chat now
loner11001:www.rave2.com
panta98:Well, I got the bottom line. So, is it possible that
weather manipulation had caused this disaster in Venezuela?
loner11001: more than likely i'd say franz
panta98:What do you guys think? or was it just one of those
famous "miracles" which occur once in a blue moon?
loner11001: right
loner11001: and santa will bring me a new cadillac
ScnWrt: The 3D's-Destruction, depopulation and doom
loner11001: yep
loner11001: global 2000
panta98:If it was not directly, yet indirectly the whole global
weather seems to be manipulated, not to say already totally
messed up; in other words, climates are no more "natural", but
artificial, controlled.
loner11001: yes that is the case
ScnWrt: The Russians are planning to bombard 5 international cities
with ICBM's showering toys on New Years Eve (seriously)
loner11001: they have even admitted as much
ScnWrt: How have they admitted?
loner11001: why the official reason for haarp existing in the first
place was weather control
panta98:Do the Russians still possess that kind of High-Tech? I
thought that their "Science" is already burned up, after the Fall
of the Berlin Wall? Where did you get that "news", Carl?
loner11001: but we all know it is really the mind control that they are
interested in
loner11001: the russians gave their technology to us.
loner11001: you see bo gritz wasn't lying
panta98:What is the Relation between Mind Control and
Weather Control, Jeff?
loner11001: the two big isms
loner11001: us and the commies are all invented by the illuminati
loner11001: the one is a cover for the other
panta98:What do you mean by the two "-isms"?
loner11001: socialism and capitalism
loner11001: we are rats in a maze
panta98:And "terrorism" in the Islamic World? In Afghanistan?
loner11001: study your hegel
loner11001: this is how it works
loner11001: tensions, counter-tensions
loner11001: they manufacture these crisis
loner11001: \and offer the solutions for them
loner11001: their solutions
panta98:Hegel is very complicated; the poor guy was dancing
around the Christmas Tree, celebrating the French Revolution.
The Victory of the Illuminati. For what will you dance this
Christmas, Jeff?
ScnWrt:I think next, they'll demonstrate mind control
dramatically
loner11001: they already are carl
loner11001: for 50 some years now
loner11001: like i say it is fully operational now
panta98:Carl told me already that he will sing the Marseillaise,
and storm the Tuilleries, to save some traditional, aristocratic
culture for our New Renaissance. True, Carl?
loner11001: everything seems to be coming to a head
panta98:What exactly, Jeff?
loner11001: y2k, weather manipulation, thought manipulation, solar
storms monster storms, etc etc
ScnWrt: I got news on the russians on cnn.com
panta98:But, Carl? The whole Shakespeare is a demonstration
of dramatic and tragic Mind Control! To Be, or Not To Be. That's
the formal-logical Question!
ScnWrt: However, we ask What is to be done?
loner11001: and one that they are deciding for us
panta98:For thousands of Venezuelans the "option" was "Not To
Be"; well, Jeff, what's our option for the New Millennium?
loner11001: i think it's going to be a spiritual thing as much as
anything
loner11001: no surprise here
panta98:Well, Carl. Now you speak real American, my language!
What is TO BE done?
loner11001: pray
panta98:Jeff, please, I pray that you don't mention that
sacrilegious word today!
ScnWrt: Have a self-controlled mind (W. Lyne)
loner11001: yes, evolve
panta98:Self-Control versus Mind Control! Could you illustrate
this a little bit more, Carl?
loner11001: in other words
panta98:Evolve? Jeff. What about "transvolve"?
loner11001: we have to bring our spirit selves up to where we are
now
ScnWrt: Always question. Take nothing on face value.
loner11001: we do not even acknowledge spirits
panta98:Transvolve this miserable system, forget about
"changing it from within" !
loner11001: let alone that there is working sciences on magic and
other techniques used in the spirit world
panta98:But, we have to learn to ask questions which are really
answerable.
loner11001: magic is what we need
loner11001: white magic
ScnWrt: And self control
loner11001: that's where they have you carl
ScnWrt: Why?
loner11001: the answers are the ones only you can answer
loner11001:each has to answer them himself
loner11001: his own questions
panta98:Jeff, what exactly is "Magic"; my teachers told me a
lot of stories about magic; they told me that it is evil, satanic.
What's it really, Jeff?
ScnWrt: Agreed, but I gotta make sure my answers will be
effective
loner11001: both
loner11001: with the cult it's evil
ScnWrt: Agreed
loner11001: and there has to be an organized brotherhood
loner11001: or some group of white magicians to counter this
loner11001: magicians
loner11001: there cannot be an unbalance
loner11001: the yen/yang
panta98:Jeff, does Magic not have a Relation to Witchcraft, to
Superstition? Is it perhaps not another form of Primitive Mind
Control, originally exercised by powerful Chieftains?
loner11001: yes of course
loner11001: to satan at any rate
panta98:Jeff, why not a sisterhood?
loner11001: exactly what i have been saying franz
loner11001: er peoplehoods
ScnWrt: Jeff, give me an example of how white magic can be
effective.
loner11001: this is our problem
loner11001: as i see it carl
loner11001: staring at your angel is perhaps a form of it
panta98:I find the latter better, otherwise I had to affirm
"Illuminatihood", Fatherhood!
ScnWrt: The blue angel is symbol in my mind
loner11001: how to take a crash course on ritual magic
loner11001: cabalistic magic and become powerful enough to
counter the cults moves??
loner11001: yes carl
loner11001: they use the cabala
panta98:Why "white" magic? Is white so emancipatory? And
"black" so evil, so negrolike?
loner11001: strictly a matter of semantics carl
loner11001: a peter greenbaum it seems
panta98:I prefer "blue magic", don't you, Carl?
loner11001: mengele's protege
loner11001: was the source of their magic
loner11001: and i think he is still alive
loner11001: dr green
loner11001: dr green bomb
panta98:Hence, Jeff, what's the source of "Magic"? Whether
white, black, blue or angelic, or devilish?
loner11001: dr greenbaum
loner11001: the cabalistic tree
loner11001: cabalistic
loner11001: this is what is used
panta98:Do you mean to say that the source of "magic" is green,
like Mother Nature, as green as a  German "Baum" (tree)?
loner11001: jewish ritual magic
loner11001: given to the jews by the arab sufus
loner11001: sufis
ScnWrt: Basically, how does it work?
loner11001: it is a focus
loner11001: a way of activating and focusing the power
loner11001: very useful in the mind control
panta98:As I know, the Old Testament is full of Jewish, Hebrew
Magic? What does this mean?
loner11001: equally usefull in breaking it
loner11001: the mind control is based on it
loner11001: it is also based on the greek alphabet
panta98:To activate and focus "Power"? But, Jeff, Power is an
enemy of "Peace". And you love "Peace"!
loner11001: you see in the trauma based mind control
loner11001: the personality is split into thousands of "alters", or
personalities
panta98:Do language, the alphabet, words have magical
implications?
loner11001: each alter can then be programmed by a programmer,
this is where the cabala is used
loner11001: in the mind control
loner11001: no
loner11001: only to the victims
panta98:I'm listening!
loner11001: well they like to use the greek paradigm
loner11001: alpha. isd the green programming
loner11001: the base program
loner11001: then beta is the sex slave program
loner11001: delta is the assassin, soldier persona
loner11001: etc etc
panta98:And, omega?
loner11001: they can program in whatever the desire
loner11001: creating the perfect mind controlled slave
loner11001: omega is the self destruct program carl
loner11001: suicide
loner11001: like at colombine
panta98:Yes, Jeff. I read all about this in the links which you
gave us some time ago!
ScnWrt: Is hypnotism used?
loner11001: all the layers are generally protected by the omega
programming
loner11001: yes carl
loner11001: exclusively almost
loner11001: but drugs too are used
loner11001: and pain of course
loner11001: torture
loner11001: unendurable pain
loner11001: they are experts at it
panta98:I'm still listening.
loner11001: so that was the basis for the mind contropl
loner11001: then by combining the two technologies, reich and tesla
loner11001: they have come up with the remote universal mind
control that we have today
You have just entered room "panta98 Chat73."
loner11001: cell phones
panta98:I was thrown offline!
loner11001: typical franz
loner11001: that's videodrome
panta98:Of course, the Venezuelan lines are very busy! But, let's
continue! Outrageous Connectivity!
ScnWrt: What's the videodrome?
loner11001: the wave hooked to the tv that carries the subliminnals
panta98:Jeff, what? Remote Universal Control?
loner11001: scroll up, i just explaine dit
loner11001: it is a combination
panta98:I can't, because I was gone, lost in cyberspace, for a few minutes.
loner11001: ok
panta98:Last I read that Reich and Tesla are "mixed", and with
that technology the above is possible!
loner11001: the remote mind control is a conglomeration of all the
technologies used
loner11001: like elf, haarp, and rhic-edom
panta98:Jeff, what's a videodrome?
loner11001: ggwen is a system by which they are all coordinated
loner11001: the system rather
loner11001: videodrome is the wave carrying the subliminals
panta98:How does this exactly function?
loner11001: well i don't really know franz being just a non-techie
dweeb
loner11001: it is a type of subliminal hypnotism
panta98:OK! I understand!
loner11001: lol
loner11001: we killed our tv 20 years ago
loner11001: one of hitlers toys
panta98: Carl, is there any other specific topic which you still
want to discuss tonight? And you, Jeff? If not, then we can
continue with the current theme.
loner11001: carl have you heard of david e rosenbaum?
ScnWrt: No, who is he?
loner11001: a lawyer for two etraordianry people
loner11001: aryans
loner11001: he thinks they are hitlers kids
loner11001: he's jewish lawyer
loner11001: i think he won a labor dispute for them\
loner11001: and saved them from the mind control
ScnWrt: What does he want Hitler's kids to do?
panta98:And, what's the relevance to study two kids of Hitler?
Did Mengele clone them?
loner11001: he exposed a tremendous atrocitry there at atlantic
richfield
panta98:Please, continue!
loner11001: they indeed went through the mengele twinning
loner11001: at any rate the lawyer took a journalist with him there
panta98:They must be the two lost "Boys of Brazil"!
loner11001: and they witnessed mass excutions taking place
panta98:I'm listening!
loner11001: a huge trench with a bulldozer
loner11001: all day they heard the pistol shots
panta98:Where exactly?
loner11001: now where are all the milk carton kids going???
loner11001: atlantic richfield
loner11001: isn't that your neck ofd the woods carl?
ScnWrt: Where is altantic richfield located?
loner11001: 200 to 300 thousand a year are disappearing
loner11001: jersey i believe
loner11001: in thew usa alone
loner11001: take south and central america
ScnWrt: How ddid the lawyer and two kids survive?
loner11001: all three combined. jeez i bet it is a staggering number!
panta98:I can imagine how many Venezuelan kids, without
parents, will land on the international experiment market, used
and abused by modern Nazi scientists.
loner11001: the two are cult
loner11001: bloodline
loner11001: the lawyer is very frightened
loner11001: he made the journalist p[romise not to involve him
panta98:What ages do the lawyer and the kids have?
loner11001: but more and more is coming out
loner11001: i really don't know franz
loner11001: it's all part of the montauk experiments though
panta98:It's relevant to test the veracity of this heinous crime.
loner11001: the mind control
loner11001: many have
loner11001: the most noted is ted gunderson
panta98:Are perhaps some JFK or Clinton kids also hidden somewhere?
loner11001: no doubt
loner11001: many have died exposing it too
panta98:Probably, they will form the genealogical tree for the next
future "Human Species", homo globalis clonis!
loner11001: for the aryans franz
loner11001: thats waht nazis are all about
loner11001: the rest of us are expendable
panta98:By the way, Jeff. Do you have any new information
about the future massacre of the world population, reducing it to
2 billion by 2050.
loner11001: to one billion you mean
loner11001: your current crisis is a good example
panta98:One of my colleagues here is a British Consul. He
attends international meetings where exactly this "massacre" is
carefully planned. he told me that in the secret ...
loner11001: franz
loner11001: global
loner11001: no place will be spared i dare say
loner11001: and for brit politicians franz
panta98:conferences, they are using maps, where Africa does
not appear anymore; in the discussions, Africa functions as a
"negligible quantity".
loner11001: don't believe them
loner11001: they are professional liars
loner11001: i told you that sometime ago
loner11001: they plan to reduce to population by 75%
loner11001: they hate hisapanics too
panta98:Do you really think that the Western Powers, especially
Europe and the USA, will also be culled to a minimum?
loner11001: yes
loner11001: we have many untermenschen here by now
loner11001: i am one
panta98:Or, will they begin with the "wretched of the earth",
with the "miserables" first, then the "Negroes" of the very same
USA?
loner11001: one and the same here franz
loner11001: if you are black
loner11001: you are screwed
loner11001: fodder for the penal industry
panta98:Will not the intelligentsia, the intellectual labourers, be
kept as mind-controlled slaves, and all the rest "eliminated"?
loner11001: or one of the 30 or 40 thousand a year shot down on the
streets by white cops
loner11001: yes
panta98:Carl, what do you think?
loner11001: there will be them and us the proletariat
loner11001: with a dtrong para-military police focre and military
loner11001: strong
loner11001: no middle class
panta98:Because classical physical, menial labour is not so much
needed nowadays, capitalism has to get rid of the billion "cattle",
of the "eaters".
loner11001: not "capitalism", but the illuminati
loner11001: the authors of capitalism
loner11001: \and socialism as well
loner11001: and yes, we the cattle fell for it
panta98:Of course, a special generation of "slaves" will be
cloned for the future, genetically derived from the present
Illuminati.
loner11001: they have their chosen ones as they are called. they
clone people like clinton i understand. they say they have been
cloning people since 1976
panta98:One thing is the "middle class", another thing are the
intellectual labourers for the Information Age. The latter will
survive for a while. The classical peasants, proletariat, the
lumpen-proletariat, the priests,the sex kittens, they all will have to believe in it.
loner11001: the greys are clones i think
panta98:There will be no service in the New World Order for them
anymore!
loner11001: no
loner11001: they are obsolete i'm afraid
loner11001: running up to pee
loner11001: brb
panta98:That's the problem, Jeff! This is the reason for Mind
Control, for ABC weapons, since yesteryear, and for the future.
panta98:For this very reason, ABC weapons were developed, not
to kill the commies or terrorists, or to fight against Martians!
panta98:Carl, still around? What do you think?
ScnWrt: Jeff, I think that these events are similar to the pulp fiction,
radio dramas, movies, cliffhanger movies and comic books of the
1930's-50's. I think some of these were produced by anti-Illuminati
to warn the world against this
ScnWrt: I think we have friends
panta98:In the 1960s, when capitalism was restructured on a
world scale, when the World Market did not depend so much on
Third World natural resources and markets anymore, ...
panta98:the transformation was towards the metropolitan
countries, and their trade relations. ...
loner11001: back
panta98:The poor, the "wretched of the earth" again became
the "white man's burden". The system does not need them
anymore. And what does not serve any purpose, any profit, you
drop into thge dustbin! Down the Drain!
panta98:Read back, Jeff!
ScnWrt: Franz, not dependent on 3rd wold natural resources? Are
you sure? It still depends on oil
loner11001: yes i think we have friends too carl
loner11001: our higher selves
loner11001: if you will are our friends
ScnWrt:Lots of blacks and hispanics in USA
armed forces and police
panta98:Capitalism is our World Order; its generators, its
beneficiaries are the Illuminati. They have the trillions, and these
you only can get from capitalism, from Robbery, from Private
Property!
loner11001: yes i think the chicken has come home to roost for us
americans
loner11001: whatever ism you choose
panta98:Not for long they will be dependent on oil; space travel,
flying saucers, alpha, beta and theta creatures, and space colonization do not need oil!
loner11001: tesla technology could free us over night
loner11001: they are the wizard of oz
ScnWrt:Unless the Illuminati wants to continue
this pofitable oil dependency
panta98:They developed Nano-Technology, and exactly used
Reich and Tesla, to develop new sources of Energy. If necessary,
they will tap the very Soul, Soul-Energy!
loner11001: when all the glamour and glitz is taken away
loner11001: there they are, old impotent men that can't get it up
anymore!
panta98:How much of the energy in Europe, the USA or Japan
comes from natural resources?
loner11001: much of it
loner11001: all of it if you include nuclear energy
loner11001: einstein was a dolt
panta98:Apart from that, countries like Venezuela, which have
an enormous external debt, have sold out all their oil in the soil,
already till 2050!
loner11001: a patsy
loner11001: true franz
loner11001: and with wto it is just a beginnig\
panta98:In fact, nearly all the oil, which is not a renewable
resource, already belongs to the Illuminati. Atomic and Solar Energy too.
ScnWrt:Einstein was the product of his
generation, a mathemaatician with a good
press agent
loner11001: that is precisely why the tesla technology had to be
contained
panta98:On the world market, as far as commerce is concerned,
continents like Africa and Latin America, do not even participate
with 3%; the "negligible quantity", which I mentioned before!
loner11001: yes indeed a product is a good way to put it
ScnWrt:And a culture of mediocrity...He's a
scientist because looks like a scientist
panta98:Yes, Jeff! Einstein, a "product" of capitalist production,
who sold his produce, and caused Hiroshima and Nagasaki!
loner11001: yes
loner11001: he didn't franz
ScnWrt:Einstein didn't create the bomb
loner11001: oppenheimer and others like teller did, not him
loner11001: right carl
loner11001: einstein was a smoke cover for tesla's work
loner11001: a false lead
panta98:He did not sell his merchandise directly, but it was
produced in the Natural Science Factory, originally built by
Newton, Kepler, etc., and this tradition was passed on to the
NASA!
ScnWrt:Einstein's math supposedly influenced
them, but I've not seen proof
loner11001: me either carl
loner11001: by the way great stuff you talking to lyne
loner11001: maybe we could get him in one of our conferences
sometime
loner11001: extraordianry chap
panta98:Without the advance, the revolution, which Einstein's
theories brought about, the atomic bomb could not be developed.
With the old Newtonian approach, at best, NASA would be
producing peanuts for Ronald Reagan!
ScnWrt:That would be great. I suggest that you
guys e-mail W. Lyne too. Then I'll invite him
to join us.
loner11001: of course, Oppenheimer was an illuminati
loner11001: generational cult
loner11001: i will when i finish his books
panta98:And where do you think the Oppenheimer Empire
began, where does the Anglo-American Company come from?
Today it is no more interested in digging diamonds and gold in
Africa, but it is searching for Psi-Energy, in the very Soul. And, as Voltaire and Montesquieu said, Blacks have no "souls"! They are "lethargic and lazy"!
loner11001: they say the money that elvita peron had
loner11001: was givent ot her by martin bormann
loner11001: he gave her all the nazi money for safe keeping\]
panta98:I'm listening!
loner11001: it well may have been a nazi that actually killed jfk
loner11001: a memeber of the spider webb
ScnWrt:I heard that the Peron's played
everyone vs. the middle.
loner11001: martin bormann's organization
loner11001: they are facist scum
loner11001: nazis
ScnWrt:Why would the Nazi's kill JFK? His
father, Joseph, was pro-Nazi
loner11001: why else would they entrust them with their money?
loner11001: a hit
loner11001: it was also an occult thing
panta98:Jeff, if I may ask the question, if I may transcend
"black and white magic or painting", are the Illuminati and Nazis
responsable for all the disasters on this Planet? What
contribution have we made?
loner11001: the killling of the king is a freemason ritual
ScnWrt:The Oedipus complex
loner11001: yes indeed franz
loner11001: they are
loner11001: for most of it at any rate
panta98:Well, now let's talk about ourselves!
loner11001: they consider themselves the controllers
loner11001:they control
panta98:Not, What Is To Be Done? What Have We Done? To
Bring About This Disaster?
loner11001: me i am looking at a looming move to greener pastures,
you might say
loner11001: keeping my ass out odf the joint is priority one
panta98:It's so easy to see the trunk in the eyes of the Illuminati,
but what about the splinters in our own eyes?
loner11001: or shrapnel...
loner11001: in our torn bodies
panta98:If we don't remove them, how will we see to do anything
at all?
loner11001: the shells, slugs chunks... etc?
loner11001: the storm is coming people\
loner11001: hang on
ScnWrt:Jeff, the World Trade Center will
contain a bunker for victims of y2k bug
(seriously)
panta98:Yes, did we not play along all our youth?
Mind-controlled or not? Did we also not enjoy the World Order?
Were we never "racist" in our lives?
loner11001: the storm is there already for you franz
loner11001: me too
panta98:Do we also not love money? Want more? Want to make
more?
loner11001: in the joint everything is racist
loner11001: if a white and black are seen even talking it could mean
death to both of them
loner11001: the controllers franz
panta98:The y2k-bug bit us ages ago already, why did we allow
ourselves to be "bugged"?
loner11001: raqcism is just another control method
ScnWrt:Jeff, that's the policy of the Aryan
Nation, USA
loner11001: well guys i have to go help my son put in carpeting in
his bedroom
loner11001: yes carl
loner11001: or franz
loner11001: the governemnt
panta98:What is really new, original, what we are saying? Did
we test our thoughts, whether they are free, immune,  from the Mind
Control AIDS?
loner11001: one and the same
ScnWrt:The y2k bug is mind control
loner11001: aids is biological control
panta98:Exactly, Carl. And the scare too!
loner11001: very much so carl
panta98:Are we out of control, or still controlled?
loner11001: so i have the wife shouting at me folks
loner11001: next week?
ScnWrt:OK with me.
loner11001: i have to go do the bedroom
loner11001: sigh
loner11001: franz?
panta98:And, if so, how are we going to get out of control? Not,
by first knowing ourselves, our weaknesses and our "power"?
loner11001: know thyself yes
loner11001: the key
loner11001: ok th4en friends
ScnWrt:Please test whether icq voice chat will
fit your sound card.
panta98:Mine is 1/2 duplexMine is also 1/2 duplex; we need a full-duplex sound card. I'll get one soon. Anyhow, how much power is left for us, when the noose is already around our necks. Are we not in a similar situation, as those who fell under the guillotine?
loner11001: ok carl
ScnWrt:Also, maintain the power to love...
loner11001: \did you check the rave2 thig out?
ScnWrt:no love of power
loner11001: true carl
loner11001: goodnight
loner11001: \i'm in trouble
ScnWrt: I will check out rave2 after chat
loner11001 has left the room.
panta98:It's a bit late. Jeff. next time, I would love to enter in the
"love" debate. I have a feeling that it is another Illuminati
"discovery", like "unity".
ScnWrt: Good night
panta98:Good Night, Jeff & Carl! I'm exhausted!
panta98:I'll send you the manuscript tomorrow!
ScnWrt:Franz, I dn't think love is an Illuminati thing. They don't
understand it
panta98:Carl, you're right, as we understand this value, but the billions. I really have to stop now. The whole day I was working
on the computer. I just see everything square, controlled.
ScnWrt:Good night, Franz. Be well!!
ScnWrt has left the room.
panta98:Good Night! Carl & Jeff!
panta98:Bye!

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