TOPIC: REASON, RATIONAL LABOUR, GLOBALIZATION & EMANCIPATION
May 30, 2000 (Slightly Edited Version)
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panta98:
Hi! Clinging, Stinging Hornets! Welcome on Board!
iiiiriiiis:
Hi Franz!
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iiiiriiiis:
got my messages?
panta98:
Hi! Twinkling, Sparkling, Shining Stars!!!
iiiiriiiis:
Hello Carl! It's a pleasure to meet you again!
ScnWrt:
Yes
iiiiriiiis:
Franz, got my messages?
iiiiriiiis:
please, read...
ScnWrt:
Hi, Franz and Iris
panta98:
Yes, Iris. I invited Khalid!
panta98:
Awaiting Steve!
iiiiriiiis:Franz,
Steve has been on-line a few minutes ago.
panta98:
Now frogmobile disappeared!!!
iiiiriiiis:Also,
Khalid seems to have problems with sprint.ca again
plasticsmith has entered
the room.
ScnWrt:
Franz: Steve is on-line. Please invite him
plasticsmith:
Hi all
iiiiriiiis:Franz,
I loved your twinkling, sparkling letter!
panta98:
Now, I must fish the frog!
panta98:
Hi! Steve!!!
iiiiriiiis:Hello
Steve!
ScnWrt:Hi, Steve
iiiiriiiis:Glad
you could make it! Your video has arrived today in the afternoon!
plasticsmith:
Fish the frog, LOL!!
panta98:
Frogmobile still not available to be fished out! He was there two minutes
ago.
plasticsmith:
That was fast. Nice to see some things still work.
iiiiriiiis:Yes,
since we are not dealing with Venezuella, as Jeff would say... (at least
what is concerning the conventional mail...)
plasticsmith:
Iris..did you get to watch it yet?
frogmobile has entered the room.
panta98:
Now, I invited him. Let's see.
iiiiriiiis:No,
got my mail, I explained you there - a few minutes ago
panta98:
Hi! Frog! At last I fished you!!!
iiiiriiiis:Hello,
Khalid!
frogmobile:Hi
there
panta98:
OK, Iris. Steve! A Colour, Bold!!!
plasticsmith:There..add
a little color to my life
panta98:
Khalid, a colour, bold!
frogmobile:No!
I missed your net, Franz.
panta98:
Excellent!!!
iiiiriiiis:the
guys here were watching TV, so I had no chance to have a look at your video,
Steve - will do so after the chat
frogmobile:Hi
"Carlos"
ScnWrt:Hi, Khalid
iiiiriiiis:all
guapos arrived, well then, lets start!
plasticsmith:It's
always nice to put a face to the words
panta98:Ready,
Set, On Your Marks, Go .....
frogmobile:Hi
plasticsmith
iiiiriiiis:Franz?
pardon?
ScnWrt:Please proceed, Franz
panta98:Well,
talking about Reason, to reason, to be reasonable, to obey reason, to be
beyond any reasonable doubt, to have lost all reason, ...
plasticsmith:Hi
Frog
frogmobile:Hi
Iris
panta98:...
we're living here, next to a fading barrio in Merida, where our
"beloved" neighbours (our vecinos) - the rustic, rusty peasants and the
coarse, hoarse petit-bourgeoisie - are shouting, screaming. roaring and
cursing left, right and centre, without any "Happy End"!
panta98:The
deathly Wrath of Jahwe, the deafening Thunder of Thor, are reasoning, are
reigning outside there. Soon, also from here, the Gods will ostracize us,
will curse us to go elsewhere, and to earn our "daily bread", by"the sweat
of our brow".
iiiiriiiis:seems
you are talking of Germany, Franz...
ScnWrt:And the USA
panta98:You
are right, Iris.
panta98:We
seem to be in the heart of the Pleistocene Age, shivering to our very bones,
barricaded in our small vulnerable cave, surrounded by an irrational, howling
horde of Apo Kenyapithecus Pedregosiensis.
panta98:Yes,
in loving consideration of our fellow-human-beings, after an arduous process
of reasoning, Jutta and I coined this most apeman-like, most apt concept.
plasticsmith: It's
all over the world that way
panta98:Imagine,
at last, even we are becoming paleontologists; a bouquet of flowers, hallelujah!
Next door, in the "village", we've discovered a new modern, global "human"
species.
iiiiriiiis:wow!
Franz! proceed!
iiiiriiiis:lyrical
as ever, as Steve would say!
panta98:Yes,
Steve, all over, in Europe, Africa, Canada, the USA, Guyana and Latin America,
I experienced all this; all over the same.
ScnWrt:HG Wells said "We were
only apes yesterday". Actually, we're still apes today.
plasticsmith:You
are an archaeologist of the future.
iiiiriiiis:!
panta98:Iris,
are you studying the future "global village" in Politics at the University
of Freiburg?
iiiiriiiis:I
try my best, Franz ;-)
plasticsmith:Excuse
my spelling. I had no opportunity for education.
panta98: Nevermind
Steve, we don't think in words, in letters. Also we are not futurologists!
panta98:Jokes
aside, now you have an idea what emancipatory resoning is all about, let's
get down to excellent "work", to philosophy, logics, method and epistemology.
plasticsmith:No
such thing ... who can know the future
panta98:Firstly,
as usual, I'll give some introductory, theoretical remarks concerning our
topic: some important reflections concerning our Epistemology & Logical
Method. Don't get disillusioned, their bark is louder than their bite.
panta98:You
are right Steve, the future is "black", dark, African, like our birth!!!
plasticsmith:Lead
on McDuff
panta98:...
To analyze Labour, we have to apply our epistemological postulates: Cosmos
a n d Einai, especially it's sub-division, Intellect a n d Reason.
panta98:Cosmos
simply encompasses the Concrete, Being, Material, Acts, Acting, Praxis,
Science, Nature, etc.
panta98:Einai
is simply a concept which we have borrowed from Ancient Greek, meaning
the totality of Perception, Reflection, Ideas, Thinking, Thought, Cognition,
Recognition, the Abstract, Existence, Theory, Philosophy, Society, etc.
panta98: By
the way, sub- or in-consciously, we have selected the most appropriate
name for our Crew. Also "panta".
Pan = Cosmos; Demon = Einai, Spirit; -ium concerns Contin-ium, Transcendence, Excellence.
Iris & Khalid, are you following?
iiiiriiiis:proceed,
Franz
iiiiriiiis:yes
plasticsmith:I
am digesting
panta98:Well,
Steve, I just finished some atomic "burger" in McDonald's! Right on, Mac!!!
panta98:Where's
your "knife", McCarl?
panta98:The
latter -- Cosmos a n d Einai -- simply exists as a Diagory. In our debate,
it concerns the Affirmation "Intellect" and it's corresponding "Negation",
Reason; always understood as a "contradiction", as "Intellect a n d Reason".
panta98:A
"Negation" always exists as that what it negates, as it's Affirmation,
a n d as itself, as the Negation itself. Also, it is a n d exists
always In-Repose a n d In-Motion.
panta98:"
A n d " indicates that this is a process, that it is "In-Repose a n d In-Motion",
not necessarily only within spatio-temporal parameters. Translated in terms
of analyzing the Labour Process, we are dealing here with Reason, i.e.,
with "Intellect a n d Reason" In-Repose a n d In-Motion.
iiiiriiiis: moment
please...
panta98:Khalid,
still
reading? Still there?
panta98:Yes,
Iris a "flash-card", a "brain-wave"?
frogmobile:Yea
man!
panta98:Well,
then, we'll giddy up!
panta98:Intellect
is that what affirms the labour process, what reforms the system. It is
composed of Physical and Mental Labour. This aspect we have discussed in
detail during our last two chats.
plasticsmith: Franz...stay
away from those e-coli burgers!
iiiiriiiis:hehe,
Steve! no chance...
panta98:Ratio
is that what negates the "affirmation", Intellect, what "exploits" it,
within the Labour Process; Reason is the capitalist-revolutionary motor,
the driving force of the global system, it exists as "Intellectual Labour
a n d Rational Labour".
panta98:Yes,
I am only taking "On The Rocks", instead of Water!!!
panta98:I
love my Black a n d White!!!! A Contradiction, like Intellect
a n d Reason! Steve!
panta98:The
above takes place in Einai, always understood as Cosmos a n d
Einai, more specifically, it concerns the sub-division, Nature a
n d Society.
plasticsmith:Why
is it a contradiction?
ScnWrt:We are all contradictions,
so is life itself.
panta98:Steve,
you'll love this one: A "miscarriage", which often happens in Nature, the
portentous (verhaengnisvolle) birth of ape-man, man-ape and
man had introduced a perverted non-relation in Historic Einai, more precisely,
in Cosmic Nature a n d Ontic Einai on Planet Earth.
panta98:Iris,
more for you: Of course, all those who consider themselves to be a "man",
as members of the sonorous species "Homo Sapiens", as "human beings", should
fervently fit on this Cowboy Horse-Shoe. All others are "exempted" from
participating in this Labour "stampede". From this global "carnival", respectfully
we wish to be excluded.
panta98:Any
comments, Carl & Khalid?
panta98:Any
remarks about the "miscarriage" about the "stampede"?
ScnWrt:We are looking at human
beings as we want to see them, not as others want us to see them
plasticsmith:I'd
like to hear more of the contradiction of reason and intellect.
iiiiriiiis:
Excellent, Franz!
plasticsmith:How
can you have one without the other
panta98:Will
follow just now, Steve. Any difference between these views, Carl? Or are
they the same views?
ScnWrt:Steve, our intellect
is biased by the interpretive community to which we belong
panta98:It's
coming, Steve. In thunder and brimstone!!!
plasticsmith:I'm
sure it is
panta98:Continuing
... "Society" is always being understood as Nature /a n d Society, where
Society negates Nature unilaterally, exploits it. The synonym for perverted
"Society" within Cosmic Einai is Man, Mankind.
ScnWrt:This bias inhibits our
reasoning
iiiiriiiis:/and,
ok
plasticsmith:But
some amount of bias is not necessarly contradiction
panta98:For
your professors, Iris ... This is not being said in a pejorative manner;
it's simply an undebatable, unchatable "fact", supported by zillions of
man-made events, data and statistics.
iiiiriiiis:hahahaha!
ScnWrt:Steve, I'm referring
to negative bias
panta98:For all of us: ... All these things you can read and study on our Pandemonium.Crew Home Page, at Geocities,under the section, English Lectures, beginning with: http://www.oocities.org/juttafranz/eng_1.html.
panta98:Now,
Khalid, to relax your "coco" ... You see, after all theory is not quite
so awe-inspiring!! As consolation, we'll not go on further to explain any
unnecessary details. So far the introduction. Let's advance our theme.
ScnWrt:My
font size changed. Do you guys read me?
plasticsmith:Who's
bias is negative..mine or my opponents?
iiiiriiiis:yes,
Carl. I read you
panta98:Steve,
here we go, at your service. ... Now, what do we generally understand by
"Reason"? Let's see what a "good" English Dictionary teaches us: to think
or talk logically; to argue persuasively with someone. And what is Reason
in action? To analyze by reasoning; to think out something by reasoning;
to persuade someone by reasoning.
plasticsmith:I
follow
frogmobile:Carl,
your comments are not readable, they seem to be in small little square
blocks
panta98:And,
Iris, what does the Herrenvolk say: ... What does a German philosophic
dictionary say about Reason? Well, the term is derived from the German
verb: vernehmen (to perceive, hear, become aware of, learn,
understand). Here we see the direct relation of Reason to Intellect, to
physical action.
ScnWrt:By
negative bias, I'm referring to that which severely inhibits reasoning
-
not your or my bias
panta98:And,
what do you people think is Reason? I relax, now, and you explain to me.
Thereafter I'll continue. ...
ScnWrt has left the
room.
ScnWrt has entered the room.
panta98:I'm
still awaiting your ideas and explanations of "Reason".
plasticsmith:I
think we all have a small view of reason. I prefer the pragmatic one. ...What
is the REASON?
ScnWrt:Hi, thanks for reinviting
me
frogmobile:Reason
is the aspect of cognition in which concepts are transformed, analysed
and combined.
plasticsmith:Sometimes
with completely un-reasonable results.
panta98:Once
upon a time, Harold Wilson, during the Rhodesia Crisis, said: "Reason has
fled the scene", I wonder what he meant?!
ScnWrt:Reason is the process
by which conclusions are drawn by assumptions.
panta98:So
far, so good, Steve.
frogmobile:While
everyone knows that Reason exists and has objective content, philosophers
have disputed over the years as to the source of our Rational (i.e. Reasoning)
ability and its objectivity. Reason is often contrasted with Experience.
panta98:Also
assumptions drawn by ignorance or arrogance.
ScnWrt:Recently, the importance
of the algorithm in reasoning has increased.
panta98:Iris
could tell you a lot about "experience", Khalid. About "rational experience".
Introduce us to this highway, Iris. To this Highway Robbery!!!
ScnWrt:Assumptions drawn by
mind controllers.
panta98:Exactly,
Carl.
panta98:OK!
I'll proceed. .....
ScnWrt:Experience manipulated
by the controllers.
iiiiriiiis:
then
we are talking about, non-reason, /reason, Franz... ---
frogmobile:As
I said Reason is often contrasted with Experience (as in the dispute between
Rationalism and Empiricism).
panta98: Bravo!
Khalid, Reason, Vernunft, coming from "vernehmen", .... But it could also
be the process of interrogation in front of the CIA or FBI, or to be called
into the witness-box, etc. Here the dominant feature of exploitation becomes
visible.
panta98:Furthermore,
it is translated as Vernunft -- originally it meant "sense perception",
indicating its archaic birth in intellectual action and labour. Then in
the Middle Ages, it became Intellect. Here we see how it advanced towards
it's affirmation; then in the battle against absolutism and feudalism,
....
plasticsmith:I
just got called away by a customer ..be back in a few minutes. ....
panta98:...
separating Church and State, at the time of the emergence of the bourgeoisie,
during the "Age of Reason", it transformed itself, having gained economic
power as Reason. Finally, it triumphed politically in the bourgeois-democratic
revolution as Liberty, Equality and Fraternity.
panta98:Are
you getting nearer to the meaning of Reason now?
panta98:OK!
Steve!
panta98:Meanwhile,
Carl, Iris and Khalid, comment on the above.
ScnWrt: The meaning of reason
now is to accept the bull-scheisse of the mind controllers.
frogmobile:It
is simply the lay man's language; it provides the basis for interpretation
of experience.
plasticsmith has left
the room.
panta98:Yes,
Carl. To accept the lies, tricks and back-biting, that's "reasonable" in
business, in the business world.
frogmobile:Sorry
for the typo-errors, the above should be read as "in simple layman's language
it provides the basis for interpretation of experience".
panta98:Please
notify me, when Steve is online again.
ScnWrt:In the global system,
money, not language, is the basis for reason.
iiiiriiiis:ok
Franz
ScnWrt: ... the basis for interpretation
of experience
panta98:Ever
since the first stones or pearls were used as an exchange medium, Exchange
Values were identical with Human Reason.
panta98:Since
those days, our Reason was simply: Throwing Pearls before
Swine.
panta98:They
even made money by exchanging a sow's ear for a purse.
iiiiriiiis:(I'm
following, please proceed)
panta98:Yes,
Khalid. Experience is a funny thing. The young hornets are inexperienced,
they must first learn from our experience, from the elders. What do you
think?
frogmobile:Yea,
man.
panta98:Or
do we really need capitalist experience, to become wise?
panta98:Must
we first be exploited, dominated, domesticated, discriminated and dehumanized,
before we can come to reason, to our reason?
iiiiriiiis:seems
we had no chance, Franz - surely don't "needed" it...
frogmobile:Surely
you have the answer
panta98:Must
we first experience total body, mind and thought control, to experience
all these, in order to be able to "reason" officially, "logically" and
correctly?
ScnWrt:We don't need to do
this. We need to break with the interpretive community.
panta98:Anyhow,
let's continue with a wonderful experience. ....
panta98:Warm
up your neurones, Khalid.
panta98:The
philosophers of the Enlightenment, including Kant and Hegel, supplied it's
rationing, rational, rationalizing capitalist contents. In brief, Vernunft
had a strange "historic" sojourn, from Sensatio, to Intellectus, to Ratio.
panta98:This
reflects precisely the development of the social superstructure of Labour
in it's transformation into Capital. This was at best portrayed by Hegel
in his Phenomenology, and by Marx in his Capital.
The first thinker explains the spiritual superstructure of Reason, of Capital,
the latter illustrates its material base, Physical and Intellectual Labour.
panta98:Note:
Unfortunately, whether we like it or not, whether we understand it or not,
a conditio sine qua non to understand Intellectual Labour
and Rational Capital today, is to study intensively and extensively the
works mentioned before. Otherwise, we'll not comprehend the current, global
"traffic jam" on the Information Highway.
panta98:Continuing
last week's discussion: ... Now, let's get back to our debate.The relation
between modern Nature and Society is a unilateral, perverse Labour Relation,
a Non-Relation, which exploits Nature, and a huge part of Society, the
physical and intellectual labourers; ...
panta98:...
all this, supposedly to satisfy all human needs; in reality, however, it's
driving force, it's laws of motion, are directed towards the realization,
rationalization and the accumulation of Capital, which conversely is tantamount
to the extinction and pauperization of billions of physical and intellectual
labourers.
panta98:Khalid,
the coco must get "white-hot" now, but it's worth the trouble!!
iiiiriiiis:(tantamount,
Franz? in German, please)
panta98: equal
to, equivalent to, Iris, it adds up to ...
iiiiriiiis: danke
frogmobile: danke
tambien!
panta98:Nichts
zu danken, Schaetzchen!!!
iiiiriiiis::-)
panta98:Obviously,
Physical and Intellectual Labour (Affirmation) are counterpoised by Rational
Labour (Negation) forming the perverted Einai, called History. Exploited
versus Exploiters, Dominated versus Dominators, Discriminated versus Racists,
Dehumanized versus Man, Big Brother.
panta98:What
"relates", rather what "non-relates" all these, is precisely the Labour
Process, the umbilical cord of the Fatherland, of the Patria.
panta98:Now
the explanation of reason gets serious, stringent: For historically under-developed
Physical and Intellectual Labour, expressed in Hegelian terms, what is
"rational is real"; for giga-developed Rational Labour, "what is real,
is rational".
ScnWrt:Many recent books glorify
exploitative intellectual workers such as an attorney, physician and diplomat.
ScnWrt:Today,
what is real is irrational, virtual reality
panta98:Carl,
you've studied and criticized your Hegel: Congrats!!! Getting back to the
point you raised before: Of course, across denaturalization, dissocialization,
maltreatment and perversion, across Mind and Thought Control, by means
of Ideology, Capitalist Rationalization educates the "masses", the "labourers",
the "intelligentsia", ...
panta98:...
teaches them what precisely is rational: to work, to labour, to produce,
to reproduce.
panta98:And
coming to you, Khalid. ... Of course, being the very same historic, labour
process, all social classes and strata have contributed to Rational Labour,
across Sensatio, Intellectus and Ratio. The totality of Mankind, simply
because it was working and labouring, had contributed to this global monstrosity.
ScnWrt: To experience the murder
of 5 clerks in Wendy's fast food restaurant in Queens, NYC, for money.
frogmobile:That
was really horrible, Carl.
ScnWrt:Yep, Khalid.
panta98:So,
it's not only the "Bad Europeans", the "Illuminati" who got us into this
sh... The whole "species" produced this sh.....
iiiiriiiis: D'accord,
Franz.
panta98: Not
only the "imperialists" and "capitalists", the whole bunch of sh...:
even those who call us "stinking Jews, niggers and coolies", and what we,
the latter, really were and are, all, -- across the ages --
collaborated to produce this Moloch, this Baal. To emancipate ourselves
presupposes that we are part of this sewerage system. Otherwise, logically,
we need no emancipation.
ScnWrt:Agreed, Franz
panta98:That
Sensatio had outboxed "animal instincts", that Intellectus had outfoxed
"animal intelligence" and "human sensorial activities", that Ratio had
outlawed Sensatio and Intellectus, had taken them for a ride; ...
ScnWrt: All sold their souls.
panta98:...
well, that's "history" already, which can be verified all across the ages,
in every corner of the globe.
panta98:Yes,
Carl, soul and body, we all ate the "human being" and Labour, hook, sinker
and bait!!!
panta98:Now,
note the following very carefully and comment: Summing up: The fons
et origo of all Power is Labour, hence, Rational Labour is
Rational Labour Power, is the Labour Power to exploit, to dominate, to
discriminate, to dehumanize rationally, rationalized.
ScnWrt:When socialist Michael
Harringgton was asked about his bourgeoise life style, he answered, Damnit.
Friedrich Engels was a businessman.
panta98:This
is the secret of our system, of Globalization!
frogmobile:Interesting
Carl.
ScnWrt:Agreed, Franz, including
the cell-phone ritual.
ScnWrt:
Baal in the cell phone.
panta98:Carl,
Harrington was the "right hand" of labour, of capital. ...
panta98: Engels
was the "left hand". ....
iiiiriiiis:...
and the applied Maths we see e.g explained by Plato, Aristotle, Machiavelli
et
al, all versions of Psychology included.
panta98:Two
sides of the same http://www.labour.coin,
today of the http://www.trust.god/$.
And, in this Harrington & Engels trusted; it is and was their "golden
calf", their Baal.
iiiiriiiis:...leading
us empathically to non-reason, to /reason. ...
panta98:Let's
continue. ....
panta98:Yes,
Iris.
panta98: Every
single European thinker of the 18th and 19th century, whether idealist
or materialist, -- whether is was Kant, Hegel, Schelling, Fichte or Marx,
was glorifying Reason or Vernunft; all wanted Reason to be triumphant,
to realize "Freedom" within the process of "History".
panta98:Also
everybody, -- except the absolutists and scholastics, who defended the
vanishing Ancien Regime -- was celebrating the glorious,
bourgeois-democratic French Revolution, which supposedly would realize
Reason, would realize Capital, or even Socialism.
panta98:Khalid,
something for the stressed coco. .. In the "Power of Negativity",
in dialectical negation, even in "negation of the negation", Hegel saw
the living element of the World Spirit, of Reason.
ScnWrt:In 1792 in Revolutionary
Paris, reason was used to initate France's imperialist ambitions.
panta98:Carl,
getting back to Engels & Marx: ... In the case of Marx, who, like Hegel,
celebrated the French Revolution, the Victory of Capitalism, was convinced
that industrial capitalist society had produced the necessary historic
conditions for the realization of Reason and Freedom.
panta98:Exactly,
Carl.
panta98:Worse,
Carl: All of them, all the great European classical thinkers of the Renaissance,
Reformation, Enlightenment had contributed to the Realization of Reason,
of Rational Power, of Rational Labour Power, to the rationalization, realization,
accumulation and monopolization of Capital.
panta98:Khalid,
are you having intellectual fun? Do you learn something, how to do the
do?!
ScnWrt:Except in France, many
members of the National Assembly, lost their heads.
ScnWrt:
Aux armes, citoyens!
frogmobile:Giddy
up
iiiiriiiis:...Franz,
you could explain what Marx said regarding the necessity of 'humans' to
liberate themselves from 'Nature', to show, that we have reached this point
today.
panta98:Carl,
relating it to today: ... Today, vague, empty, obsolete relicts of this
rational explosion of yestermillennium can still be found in all types
of "modern" ideology: in "values" such as democracy, progress, economic
rationality, development, social equality, political liberty, commonwealth
fraternity, human rights, etc.
ScnWrt:Franz, new values such
as the investment revolution.
panta98:Of
course, Iris & Carl, Marx saw Nature as an El Dorado, as a fertile,
feminine quarry to be despoiled, to be exploited. In this, he did not differ
from any Nero, Claudio, Hitler, Dahl, Popper or Hanswurst or Hans-Guck-in-die-Luft!!!
ScnWrt:Today, there is no God,
but money; and Wall Street is its prophet.
panta98:And
the USA is God's Heaven!!! And the Ex-Soviet Union is The Haven of Satan!!!!
And Italy is the Illuminati-Personification of Maffia-Purgatory!!
panta98:Let's
see what the ancient "Clin...s" did: In early modes of production, "philosopher-kings"
produced "intellect"; nowadays, philosopher-entrepeneurs produce Reason,
are performing Rational Labour, aimed at exploitation of its very own Affirmation,
of Physical and Intellectual Labour,
panta98:I
can only add: Alas! That it hurries up, that it liquidates it's material
base, and therewith blows itself up into myriad of fragments.
panta98:D'accord,
Carl?
ScnWrt:The cell phone ritual
has become the leading religion.
ScnWrt:D'accord,
Franz.
panta98:What
do you think, Iris & Khalid?
panta98:However,
Carl, note the following: Before the extensive "negation of the negation",
-- of the cosmic detonation, of the historic explosion, -- of the atomization,
the atomic radio-active disintegration of the system, of the Patria, come
the political unification, the merging monopolization and totalitarian
globalization.
panta98:Now
we are in your camp, Khalid!
panta98:Any
comment?
frogmobile:I
think Carl is reffering to the proliferation of the new cell-phone culture
here in North America
ScnWrt:Khalid, I understand
the cell phone culture exists throughout the post-industrial world.
panta98:I
see, says the blind man.
panta98:Carl,
agreed!
frogmobile:Wow!
Is it the same Iris in Germany?
panta98:Talking
about "experience", Iris: ... This is what we are experiencing at present
as "marvellous development of technology" and the "breath-taking progress
of globalization", as the Final Triumph, the eviternal Victory Sign of
Reason.
ScnWrt:Hopefully the blind
mind is not a dentist, although that may happen next.
iiiiriiiis:
Same here !
panta98:Surely,
Carl.
panta98:Well,
folks, ... Obviously, the "time" is ripe, to ask the following questions:
What can still be done? What can still be thought? How can we get out of
this predicament?
iiiiriiiis:Yes,
Franz!!
panta98:Any
suggestions?
panta98:Can
we still bring this world to "reason"? Is there still "Reason" left in
this world?
ScnWrt:Resist the existing
interpretive community. Encourage independent thinking.
panta98:What
is the "reason" for living at all?
ScnWrt:Franz, the reason for
living is the challenge of emancipation.
panta98:To
work, to labour, to earn money, to marry, to get children, to construct
a little house, to go into pension, and then to die like a fly?
panta98:Agreed,
Carl. Well said. Let's proceed ....
frogmobile:The
whole concept of globalization in relation to labor/intellectual Property
and its significances is not yet quite understood by a lot of people. Because
of the rise of the importance of intellectual labor and intellectual property
the concept of "market economy" is gradually disappearing.
ScnWrt:To make a significant
contribution to society such as teach an illiterate person to read.
panta98: Carl,
mmmm. ... Loving,
dear Iris, you'll like this Heidelberg Experience, where one loses one's
heart: ... To ask such questions as stated before, is a responsible, loving
liaison, a truthful rendezvous with Emancipation.
iiiiriiiis:Do
you think the 'people' will understand, Khalid?
panta98:If
they just come out of desperation, just willy-nilly, just to throw an adversary
on the "horns of a dilemma", well, then they have no answer, or rather,
the answer is: Absolutely Nothing can be done anymore; the History of Salvation
is beyond any Redemption whatsoever. Only Fire and Brimstone are awaiting
Us!
ScnWrt:Khalid, what will replace
the market economy?
panta98: Iris,
surely the whole world knows the song: Ich hab' mein Herz in Heidelberg
verloren! I've lost my heart in Heidelberg. Surely, Carl knows
the tune!!!
iiiiriiiis:Franz,
wart
mal wenn ich zurueck bin, I'll roast you my dear... you and your
teasing...!
panta98:When
one falls in love, gets into an emotional liaison, goes on a rendezvous
spree along the Neckar River, one loses all "reason", and "reason flees
from the scene".
ScnWrt: I lost my heart in
San Francisco. ...
frogmobile:The
main guiding rod to today's economy is the patenting of "ideas", it is
"access" to those "ideas" that now matters and not the "marketing" of products.
panta98: Anyhow,
let's advance ....
panta98:...
On the other hand, let's ask a question a priori: What is strychnine for
Labour and Capital? In our globalized world?
frogmobile:It
should now be viewed as the "intellectual economy"
panta98:"Ideas",
Khalid? At what cost, at what price, prize?
panta98:Khalid:
... The answer: The emancipatory "miracle" is, that in spite of everything,
that anything or anybody or anysoul is still capable of doing something
oneself, and of thinking oneself, and of excelling oneself, of, by and
for oneself, here and now, everywhere and always.
ScnWrt:Khalid, marketing of
ideas involves enormous risks, and unlike products, they are not disposable
panta98:Iris,
a further "enrichment" : ... Not even Rational Labour, not even the Illuminati,
not even Big Brother, can do, can comprehend, can fathom, can see, can
stop, can eliminate this Invisible, Invincible, Invulnerable Principle.
panta98:To
do this, they first have to perform hara-kiri, have to stir up pandemonium
in their very essence and existence, have to liquidate, to transcend themselves.
And then, neither they nor we have any labour pain anymore.
frogmobile:I
think that sellers and buyers in a market economy are fast becoming suppliers
and users in a "intellectual economy." Streamlined suppliers outsource,
co-manage and gain share while their users become members, retainers, subscribers
or renters. Everything is acquired on a "just-in-time basis".
panta98:You
all would agree with me. ... Who has tasted the natural fruits and social
delight of emancipation has crossed the Labour Rubicon already, has tasted
the natural flowing juices, has enjoyed the social living truths of excellence.
panta98:OK!
Carl & Khalid, I see you started the debate already ... Let's start
the discussion. I'm sure there's much to comment, to explain, to celebrate.
Let's have a free-flowing talk.
ScnWrt:Khalid, give me an example,
using a single idea.
panta98:Continue,
Khalid. ....
iiiiriiiis:I'm
following...
frogmobile:Iris
to answer your question I don't think people have the foggiest idea of
what's going on
panta98:Me,
too .... roasted or not. ....
panta98:Iris,
A Toast To Your Health, and some Roast Beef!!! Schweineschnitzel!!!
frogmobile:Carl,
In this digital age, traditional markets are giving way to global networks
where ideas, services and experiences are offered and consumers simply
acquire "access" instead of products, e.g. the Internet where you do your
shopping
panta98:Really,
Khalid!! We have the Internet.
panta98:It
informs us daily, as never before. The people, millions and millions, are
on Internet. How come that they are not informed. Carl, what do you think?
ScnWrt:I think that they are
informed, but intimidated.
frogmobile:You
use and will use the internet or (information highway) to perform most
of the services that would normally have to go and do "foot."
panta98:Hence,
soon, we'll just be Alpha's sitting in bed, working, eating and dying right
there.
panta98:Space
will be limited to a minimum, only endless Cyberspace, Virtual Reality!
ScnWrt:Franz, we'll have more
time doing the things we enjoy.
frogmobile:The
so-called "middle man" in business is now and will be virtually extinguished
panta98:Iris
& Khalid, I think Carl makes a "good" point there.
ScnWrt:Khalid, it looks like
the same system but a new arena - the Internet.
panta98:What
happens in an "arena", Carl?
ScnWrt:There are lots of middelemen
in Internet business
frogmobile:Similarily
the management structure of organizations are radically changing. T.V will
also become something of a past time just the way we now use the radio
panta98:In
our modern global "arena"? I'm looking for a towel to throw in!!!
iiiiriiiis:They
can't combine, relate, think - or: they suffer of 'reason-virus', no antidote
available. Thats why you can spread "information" all over the cyber-space
- nobody will understand. --- Who does have more time for doing what, Carl?
panta98:And
soon "My Computer" too, Khalid! And then?
panta98:Won't
we all be "bored" to death?
frogmobile:Carl,
correct but it also means that just a new elite of intellectual laborers
will control the new "intellectual economy."
panta98:With
a certain intellectual economic language which billions of "eaters" won't
comprehend, hence, they won't be "informed" of anything.
ScnWrt:This new elite are highly
alienated, and cut each others' throats
panta98:They
will just "yep", "lol", "aagh" around on the Net!
panta98:They
will just "thinx", say "thanx", and understand "nix".
panta98:Just
thinx, thanx and nix.
panta98:This
will be the future x-generation!
iiiiriiiis:
future, Franz?
frogmobile:It
is no longer profitable for the manufacturing sector to manfacture anything
(this is what they are now saying) due to the amount of investments involved
this task will be left to another "class" while the others will be transformed
into the "intellectual economy"
panta98:Yes,
Iris.
panta98:What
"other class", Khalid?
frogmobile:its
the the "giddy-up" time, sink or swim
panta98:A
new one?
panta98:Well,
prepare your frogmobile for a jive, for a dive!!!
iiiiriiiis:indeed,
Khalid. Agreed.
frogmobile: Do you know Yahoo and the
"Amazons.coms" are worth more that the "FORDS" of today?
ScnWrt: Yep, Khalid
panta98 has left the room.
iiiiriiiis: I'll save the
script...one moment please, Carl and Khalid
ScnWrt: I asked Franz if he wants
me to invite him
iiiiriiiis: invited Franz,
Carl
ScnWrt: OK, Iris
frogmobile: We are in the process
of witnessing one of the most radical "revolutions" that will shake the
foundation of how we do every conceivible thing from sleeping to waking
up in the morning to how you
buy your groceries to how you communicate to your neighbours.
iiiiriiiis: Yes, Khalid.
Exactly
iiiiriiiis: As we said,
another stage of the Labour Process, updated version of the 21 century
ScnWrt: Agreed, Khalid
frogmobile: Globalization is only being
used at the moment to "open the doors" of other people's homes
and places where they live in other countries however whenever it consolidates
itself; there will be no
looking back. We will have no more choices.
ScnWrt: This economy, however,
will depend considerably on perception - very risky for the owners
frogmobile: In decades to come even the
concept of the state will dissapear.
iiiiriiiis: New,
or more precise, modified needs determine the behaviour, modify it
respectively. No
'news', but modifications in al sectors of 'life'.
panta98 has entered the room.
frogmobile: No longer there will be anymore
concepts such as "our national soverignity" or "territorial
integrity, " or a "national antem."
iiiiriiiis: Hi again, Franz
You have just entered room "panta98 Chat66."
frogmobile:No
longer there will be anymore concepts such as "our national soverignity"
or "territorial integrity, " or a "national antem."
iiiiriiiis:Hi
again, Franz
ScnWrt:Hi, Franz
panta98:
I had to re-boot. AOL did not like what I had to say about the Internet!
panta98:
Hi! Everybody.
panta98:
What did you cook up in the meantime.
panta98:
A short survey, please.
iiiiriiiis:Carl,
Khalid, could you do so, please
ScnWrt:Franz, description of
new intellectual economy and NWO
iiiiriiiis:Thank
you, Carl.
panta98:
Wow... something new, give me the "bottom line" .....
iiiiriiiis: New,
or more precise, modified needs determine the behaviour, modify it respectively.
No 'news', but modifications in al sectors of 'life'.
ScnWrt:Our behavior will be
modified including how we take ein scheisse.
frogmobile:Currently
we don't even have anymore "a" " national government" what we have is a
new "international state" that makes the new rules and regulations
panta98:In
which way? Any specific way that would interest us specifically?
panta98:But,
that's excellent, Khalid.
frogmobile:to
suite the interests of the new international economy
panta98:Neo-Capitalism
is losing its anarchic, chaotic fashion.
frogmobile:The
road is now being paved for the new geeks to complete their takeover
ScnWrt has left the
room.
frogmobile:It
is Franz
panta98:It's
getting unitary, consolidated, centralized, functioning perfectly well.
ScnWrt has entered the
room.
frogmobile:But
there will be utter chaos and mayhem and mass extermination of people of
a wide scale since the new economy would not need those that are left behind.
ScnWrt:
Hi guys
iiiiriiiis:Hi
again, Carl.
frogmobile:They
will all be slaughtered.
panta98:Carl,
do you agree: ... It's getting unitary, consolidated, centralized, functioning
perfectly well.
ScnWrt:I think it's getting
chaotic.
ScnWrt:The
slaughter is going on now.
frogmobile:Interesting
point Franz within every state there is a mass consolidation in the way
how it functions.
panta98:Billions
are running crazy on a global scale, just look in the news; individual
governments can't handle the mayhem in Sierra Leone, Peru or Venezuela
anymore.
frogmobile:Carl
I said this a few minutes ago
panta98:I
think that capitalism is getting "wise"; it has learnt from it's past mistakes.
frogmobile:But
there will be utter chaos and mayhem and mass extermination of people of
a wide scale since the new economy would not need those that are left behind
ScnWrt:However, the disenfranchised
will buy weapons of mass destruction
ScnWrt:They
will not be sore losers
frogmobile:True
carl
iiiiriiiis:disenfranchised,
Carl, what does it mean, please?
panta98:Even
capitalism learns from "experience", gets down to "reason". Not so, Iris?
iiiiriiiis:In
the sense of perfectioning the system, yes.
ScnWrt:Disenfrancchised-those
excluded from the economy
iiiiriiiis:to
/reason
frogmobile:Franz
I don't think even "capitalism" can control the upcomming upheaval and
chaos they will be buried, too.
iiiiriiiis:Thank
you, Carl.
panta98:A
little atomic accident here and there, a bomb in Pakistan, some AIDS virus
in the Tube in New York, would help to resolve the demographic explosion,
and solve the water and food shortage.
iiiiriiiis:Doubtlessly,
they are doing their job fine!
ScnWrt:Sad, folks.
frogmobile:Those
who cannot make it anymore will be relegated to the level of the dogs like
in La Pedrogosa.
panta98:Khalid,
you under-estimate the new technology, the new energy at capitalist disposal.
frogmobile:I
do not but the key is to understand that there are new owners of intellectual
production
panta98:Dogs
and Under-Dogs always were part and parcel of the world system, a few more
or a few less, won't cause much damage.
ScnWrt:Khalid, who are the
new owners?
frogmobile:The
"old' capitalists are being replaced with the new multibillionaires of
the "dott.com" generation
frogmobile:It's
a fact
panta98:What
are we going to do without our "poor", without the "miserables", without
the "wretched of the earth", without the pariah coolies, Lady Di, the Mother
of Calcutta,and the IMF would lose their jobs.
ScnWrt:Khalid, aren't the .com
multibillionaires behaving in the same manner as the old capitalists?
frogmobile:The
"losers" will also be the very rich too
panta98:Ideology
would have no basis to appeal to the masses anymore, Chavez would not get
into Government anymore.
panta98:But,
as you say, there will be only a World government, led by Big Brother Bush!
ScnWrt:Agreed, Khalid. Nobody
wins
ScnWrt:It's
either everyone wins via emancipation, or everyone loses
frogmobile:Interesting
question Carl. Because they are new to the "game';they are only now learning
to "walk the ropes" however when they can consolidate their power it will
be a WAR
panta98:And
what does this unification, merging, monopolization, tell us?
panta98:what
conclusions can we draw?
ScnWrt:First step, free energy
via Tesla technology for everyone worldwide
panta98:Does
it concern us, our emancipation struggle?
iiiiriiiis:nothing
more to be done there, Franz
frogmobile:Among
different capitalist interests as against the creators of the new intellectual
economy
panta98:Well,
Iris, nothing more to be done THERE, but everything ELSEWHERE!!!
iiiiriiiis:thats
it
ScnWrt:Agreed, Franz
panta98:Let's
talk about this ELSEWHERE .
panta98:What
about us applying Tesla technology, using free energy?
frogmobile:Franz,
"monopoly capitalism" will have to find new 'ideas" on how to survive
since most of the newly merged companies are loosing billions. what next
can they do/
panta98:Carl,
I'm sure Khalid is not so up-to-date with this, could you make any suggestions?
ScnWrt:The newly merged companies
will continue to lose billions. That is of no impartance to us. We need
to lobby for Tesla free energy
frogmobile:with
all due respect I wouldn't have the time for Telsa technology since I will
already be "extinguished".
panta98:The
arch-imperialist, Cecil John Rhodes already told modern billionaires what
is to be done: To annex the planets!!! That's what they are doing! Spending
billions and billions to prepare the Annexation of the planets. Carl wrote
an article on this issue: Carl, please inform Khalid.
frogmobile:The
pharmaceutical industry and the state will take over my body.
panta98:I
mean Space Exploration and Colonization.
ScnWrt:I don't think you'll
be extinguished. Start to lobby for Tesla free energy now. Discuss with
Bill Lyne.
frogmobile:In
three years you will be able to take a trip up to space and also will be
given the opportunity to bury your loved one up there.
panta98:Be
more precise, Khalid about "extinction".
ScnWrt:Khalid, please read
my article on http://www.newrenaissance.com
frogmobile:I
will Carl!
iiiiriiiis:to
lobby, Carl, sorry, but please explain this term to me, I don't understand
it.
panta98:Yes,
Khalid, check it out! Carl, please give him the gist of the matter.
iiiiriiiis:what
does it mean?
ScnWrt:Khalid, the moon and
Mars have been colonized using Tesla technology
panta98:Carl,
did I understand you "correctly"?
frogmobile:I
will read your article Carl
ScnWrt:Space colonization gives
people the opportunity to build their own emancipatory societies.
panta98:The
Moon and Mars are already colonized since donkey years, and Khalid still
stares at a lonely, golden moon.
panta98:Khalid,
it seems that you and I are still living "behind the moon".
frogmobile:Without
not even a star to look at anymore
frogmobile:because
of pollution.
panta98:Iris,
I see you have a full-moon face.
ScnWrt:Franz, they have been
partly colonized. Read Bill Lyne's Pentagon Aliens.
iiiiriiiis:Carl,
what does it mean, 'to lobby'?
frogmobile:Guys
Its time for us to close for tonight
panta98:Carl,
now talking very seriously, is that really true, or is it a logical hypothesis?
iiiiriiiis:you
said, first step is 'to lobby' Tesla energy...
ScnWrt:Spread the word on the
Internet, contact your local elected politicians
frogmobile:I
have to go and play a few games of PING-PONG to free my mind from this
abyss.
ScnWrt:Tesla free energy for
all humanity.
panta98:Because,
if it is true, then we'll be very soon, in for a gigantic surprize.
iiiiriiiis:ok
Khalid, good-night, see you next time!
frogmobile:Do
anyone object if i say good night
iiiiriiiis:Thank
you, Carl.
panta98:Khalid,
let Carl please reply, and then you can slip off to Moon Land.
ScnWrt:Labinachti (Good night,
Latvian), Khalid
frogmobile:Bye
Iris, Franz and Carl
ScnWrt:Labinachti
panta98:OK!
If you insist!! Good-Bye, Nice Guy!!!
panta98:Carl,
do you really think that the Moon is "colonized" in an advanced stage?
frogmobile:labniachti
(I have learnt a new word) Buenos noches Carl.
frogmobile:Bye
iiiiriiiis:Carl,
please explain what Franz has indicated...
frogmobile has left
the room.
ScnWrt:Emancifiers will
win in the space colonies by ensuring their survival
panta98:Bye!
Khalid, I'll send you the manuscript.
iiiiriiiis:later
I will go and read your article
ScnWrt:Franz, yes, I do, by
Earth people. Most importantly, read Bill Lyne's book Pentagon Aliens
panta98:Iris,
how about National Geographic inviting Jutta and I to a Full Moon Rendezvous?
ScnWrt:Thanks. Iris
iiiiriiiis:I'm
trying to obtain it here, Carl
iiiiriiiis:hm,
Franz, you decide!!
iiiiriiiis:for
me: strange thing, this invitation!
panta98:OK,
Carl. I'll do it. Only, let's take it as being the Truth, what are the
immediate, immanent implications on Earth?
ScnWrt:Franz, in few years,
you and Jutta can enjoy a vacation on the Moon. I and Fran would prefer
Mars
iiiiriiiis:hahahaha,
Carl!
iiiiriiiis:I
prefer San Onofre.
ScnWrt:OK, Iris
iiiiriiiis:But
please, could you explain to me the 'gist' Franz spoke about a few minutes
ago?
ScnWrt:The implications are
we'll change from a global to a galactic economy.
panta98:So,
the system is expanding, is going beyond its "historic" limitations, it
acquires galactic features.
ScnWrt:Iris, emancifiers will
win in space colonies by ensuring the survival of the colonies
ScnWrt:Yep,
Franz
panta98:What
does this imply for earth-bound Ptolemaic, Copernican, Einsteinian Thinking
and Thought?
ScnWrt:Iris, did you find my
article?
panta98:And,
what does it imply for Emancipatory Theory and Praxis?
iiiiriiiis:I'll
look for it later, Carl, will follow here first
panta98:Does
it also imply that time-space parameters are getting obsolete?
ScnWrt:Franz, that will require
a new chat, and I suggest we invite Bill Lyne.
panta98:What
does this mean for past, present and future?
panta98:What
does it indicate about Birth, Life and Death?
panta98:How
will these new "Truths" affect our lives, our deaths?
ScnWrt:It means that whoever
controls outer space controls the Earth
panta98:Will
we experience a Renaissance, Rebirths?
ScnWrt:Or whoever emancifies
outer space emancifies the Earth
panta98:these
were just questions that came up in my mind.
ScnWrt:A renaissance and a
rebirth
panta98:Are
these not the very questions and problems with which the Pandemonium Crew
is dealing?
panta98:Are
we not brand-new, original and authentic?
panta98:Are
we not strychnine to this Galactic Adventure?
panta98:Iris,
any answers or extensions to my questions?
ScnWrt:We complement this galactic
adventure. They need our wisdom.
panta98:Carl,
won't "control" lose it's obsolete meaning? Would "control" itself, like
anything only earth-bound, lose completely its meaning and essence?
iiiiriiiis:You
are right, Franz, we are dealing with the questions you pointed out, but
surely 'other' than they do.
ScnWrt:Yep, it will, Franz
panta98:What
is, and will happen to the individual, to individual life in galactic mensions?
panta98:Will
trillionaires cope with galactic reality?
ScnWrt:The individual will
have to contribute to a galactic community. Trillionaires will be worthless.
iiiiriiiis:Which
individual, Carl?
panta98:Are
our galactic discoverers and colonizers aware what galactic expansion implies?
ScnWrt:For example, the airlock
repair specialist
panta98:For
example, the imminent death of capital, competition and profits.
ScnWrt:Yep, Franz, the're aware
panta98:Do
they want to accomplish what the proletariat never could?
ScnWrt:They have no choice.
The problems they must deal with continuously. Pepetual crisis management.
panta98:That
is, pre-determine, pre-programme their own deluge, their disappearance
in "outer space".
iiiiriiiis:The
strychnin you spoke about earlier. Thats it.
panta98:Well,
Carl & Iris, Homo sapiens had it's day, it's heyday, it is going to
join Neanderthal Man and Homo habilis.
ScnWrt:I think they have a
proficiency to survive. No Göttedämmerung in space.
iiiiriiiis:Let
them enjoy it!
ScnWrt:Franz, I think Homo
sapiens will survive and evolve in space.
panta98:Now,
I understand why I have no interest in opposing them, I think I should
do them a last favour and write an "obituary", glorifying their greatness.
panta98:Not
Homo Sapiens, Homo clonis, Homo technicus, Homo Chip, but not the current
species, Carl.
panta98:This
one is already dead, stone-dead, Moon- and Marx-dead.
panta98:Sorry,
a freudian slip-up, Mars-dead.
ScnWrt:Not necessarily, Franz.
Actually, it's easier to survive in space than on Earth. Easier to adapt
to the natural environment. Everyone must cooperate to survive.
panta98:But,
that's not Homo sapiens, by definition, by evolution, the poor thing, in
reality, could not even survive on Earth.
panta98:Look
around you, how is he going to survive in Andromeda, in the Milky Way;
he'll be sour-milk before he even leaves the Solar System.
ScnWrt:It will survive in outer
space probably because that's where it originated.
ScnWrt:Different
kinds of Homo sapiens will survive in space.
panta98:In
that case, he was perfectly "right" in his delirium to dream about Gods,
Devils and Angels.
panta98:The
guy was born in the Garden of Eden, somewhere on Pluto, the Planet of Money,
of Capital.
iiiiriiiis:I
feel like yet existing in outer-space... in the town, univerities just
'Homo sapiens'...
ScnWrt:Not really, Gods, Devils
and Angels don't exist anywhere
panta98:Then
the poor creature must have lost his way, like Little Red Riding Hood,
it's about time, as the Vietcong said: Yankee, Go Home!!!
panta98:The
sooner the better, for everybody.
ScnWrt:Except, many are out
there already.
panta98:However,
there's a Wolf out there, and Homo Sapiens is in great Danger, near Heaven
and Hell.
ScnWrt:The wolf is within him/her
self. Beowulf, Mowgli.
iiiiriiiis:
Interesting point, Carl!
panta98:Now,
I understand, why in the future World Government, in the USA, this archaic
fear, this "someone will get me out there", has really become a plague.
It's really a proof that Homo Sapiens is from out of this world.
ScnWrt:The human being is heaven
and hell (Picture of Dorian Gray, Oscar Wilde)
panta98:So,
Who Is Afraid of Virginia Wolf?
ScnWrt:The Pantemonium Crew
isn't afraid.
panta98:D'accord!
iiiiriiiis:!
panta98:Guys,
I'm tired too. We have to get up early!
panta98:Do
you have the complete text?
ScnWrt:OK, guys, I gotta leave
now. Return to free lance work
iiiiriiiis:Ok,
Franz and Carl, yes, I saved it
ScnWrt:Thanks, Iris
ScnWrt:Gute
nacht
iiiiriiiis:gerne,
Carl!
panta98:I
have everything, except your little intermezzo, while I was out for 10
to 15 minutes, please send me only that part. to prepare the HTML.
ScnWrt:Buona sera, Bonsoir,
Buenos noches
panta98:I
find the chat simply marvellous, most educative.
iiiiriiiis:ok
Franz!
panta98:Gute
Nacht, Carl.
panta98:I
am sure you enjoyed the chat.
iiiiriiiis:I'll
read it now, sometimes it's too fast for me
ScnWrt:Excellent chat
iiiiriiiis:yes,
indeed, Franz!
panta98:Did
you enjoy my "Reach For The Stars"?
ScnWrt:Yes, Franz
iiiiriiiis:didn't
you read my mail, Franz?
iiiiriiiis:please,
do so
iiiiriiiis:I
enjoyed it absolutely!
panta98:iris,
I'm going to include in the "correspondence" for the MRC, my letter, which
you quoted.
iiiiriiiis:Great!
iiiiriiiis:Thank
you, Franz - did you see what I meant?
ScnWrt:Excellent, Franz
panta98:Yes,
I did. That's why I am going to include my letter in the HTML published
already!
panta98:So,
guys, reach for the stars!!!
iiiiriiiis:Sehr
schön!
ScnWrt:Please post your letter
on our forums and lists
panta98:Carl,
Iris, greetings from Jutta! Also our best wishes to Fran. By the way, carl!
iiiiriiiis:Carl
and Franz, as always it was a great, great pleasure for me to be here with
you!
ScnWrt:Give our regards to
Jutta
panta98:Can
we sing Happy Birthday already?
iiiiriiiis:Thanks,
big hug to Jutta!
iiiiriiiis:And
my regards to Fran, Carl!
ScnWrt:Un plaisir to be here
with you, Iris
panta98:Some
lovebird told me that somebody is going to celebrate his birthday soon!
ScnWrt:Thanks, Iris
iiiiriiiis:I
think she knows what a nice guy she has at her side!
ScnWrt:Yep, Franz
iiiiriiiis:and
vice versa!
panta98:OK!
Carl. Gute Nacht!!!
ScnWrt:Gute, nacht.
iiiiriiiis:ok,
good-night!
ScnWrt has left the
room.