[5:00]
Kent: [....] The Professor and Mr Hovind. He's upset that I don't remember the name of the Professor I rode with on the airplane.
Eric: Yeah, Carl, by the way, let's just go ahead and say that is just a really silly reason to be upset. No offence, I mean, but come on, just 'cause you don't remember somebody's name you're going to blast Dr Hovind.
Kent: I forgot my wife's name on our third date
Eric: Wow. Careful what you say, he may add that to his web site
Kent: I'm sure he will. I'm not real good with names. We do a lot of rubber band shooting here at Dinosaur Adventure Land [.....]
[6:55]
Kent: So we're going through Carl's Analysis of Kent Hovind - just a chance to defend myself. This is America not Australia, Carl, you get a chance to defend yourself over here. Now you guys turn in your guns and role over and play dead. We don't do that here. We keep our guns.
Eric: Yes
Kent: Loaded actually
He says - The Professor and Mr Hovind - he's upset because I don't answer who the Professor was. I don't remember, okay. But the story is true - that what's professors do believe. They do believe we came from a rock 4.6 billion years ago. That is what they believe.
Eric: It's tough for them to narrow it down to those terms
Kent: They don't see it like that.
Eric: Because in between the rock and today, they've got billions of years and they think that fixes it, you know, like a fairy tale. [....]
[7:45]
Kent: And then he talks about An Evangelist Confronts Kent Hovind. This, if I recall, was an Old Earth Creationist who said, you know, the Earth is billions of years old. See if there is anything specific I should talk about on that one.
Eric: I really didn't see anything other than he is saying, "Look, you are doing a lot of damage to Christianity. I tried to warn him in Christian love and now we have to treat him like the World because he did not heed the advice."
Kent: His advice was I should stop emphasising the Bible as literally true - and Genesis story is true - and start compromising. Well tough
COMMENT: False. The advice was for Hovind to cease insulting his opponents and using flawed arguments. I won't accuse Hovind of lying - he simply may have forgotten what was said.
[8:30]
[.....]
Kent: A Warning From Answers in Genesis. Okay. Ken Ham - good friend of mine - you went to school ... Ken Ham was one of your teachers
Eric: Yep. Ken was one of my teachers. I like him. Fairly nice guy.
Kent: Yeah, okay. I've tried everything I can to be friendly with Ken Ham. I love their ministry. Don't want to hurt them in any way. We have a few differences of opinion on a couple little things - I think they're very minor. They wrote an article "Fifteen Things That Creationists Should Not Use" [sic]
Eric: And the reason for that is because of the research they have done showed it wasn't absolute positive proof therefore the evolutionists could poke holes in it. Therefore you shouldn't use it so that creationists don't look bad. Is that correct?
Kent: Right. And I got 300 phone calls saying, "Why do still use, I don't know, four or five of the fifteen?" They're right on, I don't know, ten of them. I got so many calls. And my response is, hey, if I get so many calls on something I might as well do a Frequently Asked Question and add it to our web site. So buried in my web site is my response to their "Fifteen Arguments That Creationists Should Not Use" [sic] Well, that generated from them a front page blast of Kent Hovind - of all the things I'm wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong. Okay. I didn't respond. I don't want to fight 'em. They think they're right. I think I'm right.
Eric: We're going to leave it at that. We still want to be friends with Ken and don't have any problems at all. We support his ministry. Sent money to his ministry. [....]
Kent: Don't want to hurt 'em. This infighting is unnecessary. During World War II the British had a general named Montgomery. Nobody could stand him. Montgomery was a good general in many ways but he didn't have a good personality. And Eisenhower didn't like him. Nobody seemed to like him. Two people can be fighting for the same cause and be very different people.
Eric: Yeah, have personality conflicts. We're not saying that Ken has a bad personality or anything. Do not try to take us that way!
Kent: Look at Jesus' disciples. He had Judas Iscariot. He had Matthew the tax collector. Matthew the tax collector works [sic] for the Romans. He also had Simon the Zealot. The Zealots were the anti-Romans - go-blow-up-the-bridges kind of guys, you know. They were trying to throw out the Roman Empire and establish their own kingdom.
Eric: I'd say there were some personality conflicts.
Kent: Both disciples, okay. So it's okay to have a variety of opinions in the Kingdom. And, praise God, they're always welcome to come down here. And I love what they're doing. Don't want to fight 'em. I'm done with my response. If you think they're response is better than mine on some of the issues we talked about give me a call on those specific ones and I'll be glad to discuss it. I'll be glad to defend my opinion.
[11:15]
Kent: Now, the Six Impossible Things Before Breakfast that Carl has here is not worth discussing.
Kent: His Quacky Quotes, I'd be glad to discuss any of those. I want to get to ..... Patriot University - we talked about that ....
Kent: Show Me the Money. He's saying here - he took the number of tapes we sold and the total revenue minus the expenses for the tapes and the employees, etc - and says we are making a net profit of $684,000. Well, Carl, first place it's none of your business, okay
Eric: Right
Kent: Secondly, you don't have a clue. Thirdly, none of this is mine. I don't know what company you work for - if you work for anybody. I'm not sure how old you are judging by some of the stuff I saw on your web site, the spelling and stuff, maybe you're not even out of school. But you have a web site - which anybody can do, especially a Geocities web site, anybody can do that one (laughter). Very low quality, okay
Eric: Hey, that's all right
Kent: It's okay, Carl. If that's all you can afford, that's great. But .....
Eric: We're not trying to attack persons here.
Kent: Okay, let's say you work for General Motors. And so I said, "Look how much money Carl makes. General Motors brought in 12 billion dollars last year." Duh. Hello. Think about it, okay. Think about it one more time.
COMMENT: But what if I worked for General Motors as well as being the joint trustee of a fund I established to control the profits of GM?
Eric: We have added up the total amount we have spent here at CSE - that the ministry has. It was done last year - actually we're doing it again this year for the end of the year we're doing it again. So you've been doing this traveling and speaking and it began about fifteen years ago, right?
Kent: Right
Eric: How much was it last year that we had spent?
Kent: We had spent all of it
Eric: That's it. That's what it was - all of it. And then some.
[12:41]
Kent: Let's see, Liar, Liar, Pants on Fire. He's going though some of the supposed lies here that I have. Now he has nine lies - I'll be glad to take any of these [....]
Eric: If you see something in there that you say, "Hey, you really ought to hit this." Please let us know that.
Kent: I'll just going to take randomly a couple of them. I spotted #3, 5-5-2000 The Prediction That Wasn't, okay. He says that I said the New World Order was going to reduce the population of the Earth to half a billion by May 5th of the year 2000. And he said I said that basically in my seminar before 2000 obviously. Well, Carl, you have it wrong, okay. What I did is I flashed up onto the screen a picture of a book - which I have here some place. A picture of a book by a New Age author who said the Spirit Guides had told him that there would be a reduction in the population by May 5th of the year 2000. I never said it was going to happen. I simply said one of these idiots said it's going to happen.
Eric: And I think it's important, no doubt, that many times throughout the seminars - and even know - what we do is we quote other things trying to give other people an education of what's out there. Many things that we quote doesn't mean we claim that.
Kent: Right.
Eric: Yeah
Kent: Okay, so Carl, I did not claim the World's going to come to an end or that ... And you told us to critique your site tell you what needs to be removed. This needs to be removed - I expect this with all the lies.
COMMENT: After a follow up discussion with Kent Hovind the article in question has been removed.
Kent: Number Four, Falsely Claiming Bankruptcy. Okay, here's what happened. There was a disagreement eight or ten years ago with the IRS over a couple of things. And they came and stole my car.
Eric: I was here, yes, they did steal it.
Kent: Totally illegal. They don't do anything legal unless they're forced to. They came and stole my car. Okay. Their approach is steal your property and, "Now let's negotiate." Okay. And that's the police too, by the way. "We're going to lock you up and handcuff you and put you in the back of a car. Now let's talk, okay".
Eric: Yes
Kent: Can't defend yourself. Well, a friend of mine said, "Well, if you want to get your cars back and then negotiate with 'em, file bankruptcy." I said, "But I'm not bankrupt." He said "Doesn't matter. You file bankruptcy and that filing causes you to give your cars back. And now you can negotiate on level ground." Okay. Well, I filed bankruptcy - at his advice - and .... I've never done anything, zero, I didn't know where the court house was. I knew nothing about the legal system, okay. I don't get in trouble, I try to stay out of trouble. I didn't know where it was. Never filled out a legal paper in my life.
Anyway, I fill out this twelve page bankruptcy form they gave me and I made a couple of mistakes. The IRS jumped on the mistakes and said, "Judge, we want this thrown out as a bad filing." That's common. They always try to get things thrown out, okay. And so the judge agreed I'd made some mistakes and they threw out the filing. End of story.
[Note Hovind just admitted to presenting false documents.]
We're not bankrupt. And this is so dumb this is still on the internet years later. You're lying here, Carl. You need to have that one removed.
[I did not say Hovind was bankrupt]
Eric: And it's kinda silly anyway. I mean, it's a mute point
Kent: Number 7, Darwin and the Eye. I claimed that Charles Darwin said [.....] the eye was so complex it seemed absurd to believe it could have evolved by chance - that natural selection could have created the eye. Then Darwin goes on for four pages, or whatever, saying, "But I think it happened anyway." Okay. The fact that Darwin goes on and talks about it some more and said, "Well, it might have happened anyway," doesn't help the story at all. It's true that Darwin said that. I quote it directly from the book. I got the quote right and I gave the page number - at least of the edition I have of Darwin's book. So, I didn't lie about it, Carl. You're wrong to say, "Hovind lied about Darwin's quote." I didn't. It's perfectly fine.
Eric: Can you just comment, for those that are listening, the Recapitulation versus Homology. He's basically saying, "These are two different things and you're claiming that they're the same thing." What is the ontogeny recapitulates phylogeny?
Kent: Okay, then. He doesn't understand what I'm saying. In my seminar we go through point after point after point. Point one was the Recapitulation Theory - which was made up by Ernst Haeckel - that said the baby growing in the mother goes through the stages of evolution.
Eric: Right
Kent: It goes through the stages of fish, amphibian, reptile, mammal. That whole thing is baloney. Proven wrong. Then second point I go into is the homology argument that the bones in your wrist are similar to the bones in a whale's wrist proving we're related.
Eric: And he's saying, "We're claiming they're the same thing."
Kent: Yeah
Eric: We're not. So take that part out.
[Note Hovind avoided the details raised in the argument]
Kent: We're right on both issues. Take that part out. Recapitulation Theory is taught. It is wrong. It is not only wrong it's dangerous.
Eric: Homology is taught and it's possible there is another explanation, okay. So we have similar forms - maybe that means a common designer not a common ancestor, Carl.
Kent: Right. The lug nuts from a Pontiac will fit on a Chevy. That proves they both evolved from a Honda fourteen million years ago.
Eric: Yes
Kent: That's his kinda logic.
Eric: That's the logic.
[17:50]
Kent: Are You Being Brainwashed? I just clicked a few sections out of here. "To understand why Hovind makes the comments below you must realise..." - probably got that misspelled - "his audience is made up of lower educated right wing Americans who feel strongly about atheism, communism and educated elites"
Eric: Those of you who are listening right now and just heard that, Carl's stating that we are talking to you - if you believe in Creation - that you are the .... how did he phrase that?
Kent: "lower educated" I can spell ...
Eric: Lower educated?
Kent: I can spell 'realise', Carl.
COMMENT: 'Realise' is the proper English spelling.
[.....]
Kent: And he says "To understand why Hovind makes the comments below you must realise..." - misspelt - "his audience is made up of lower educated right wing Americans who feel strongly about atheism, communism and educated elites" This is ... what's the term they use for this? An elitist comment, okay. This is a person who basically says, "I'm smart. You're dumb." Were you in the debate ....
Eric: Sure was
Kent: Yeah. The one professor was saying, "The reason Hovind is winning this debate is because the audience doesn't understand the complexity of the subject, you know."
Eric: It was great [referring to the professor]
Kent: I said, "Let me translate this for you folks. What he said is, 'I'm smart. Your dumb'"
Eric: And the audience applauded. They're like, "Yeah ....
Kent: He said, "I didn't say that. How many understood that way?" - there's like a thousand people there
Eric: No worries. That is exactly what he said.
Kent: That is what all these evolutionists do. They think if you don't understand evolution - if you don't believe in evolution - it's because you're dumb. I think it's quite the opposite. My IQ is over 160. I've taught high school science fifteen years. Got a PhD in education. I may not be the smartest man in the world but I'm smart enough to figure out I didn't come from a rock 4.6 billion years ago. And I think most five year olds are smart enough to figure that one out.
So I think most people should resent the fact that you called them uneducated ..... ah, lower educated right wing Americans. Okay? I don't know what you mean by 'right wing' exactly. If the opposite is wrong then I'm right, okay.
[......]
"Americans who feel strongly about atheism" I think it's a dumb idea - there has to be a creator.
"communism" I feel strongly about communism. I think it's dumb theory - doesn't work. The idea that you take away everybody's stuff and redistribute it. All you got to do is just look at any communist country - it doesn't work. Seventy years in Russia proves it doesn't work, okay. So, yes, I feel very strongly about that. [.....]
And "educated elites"? Yes, I guess I feel education is a wonderful thing. Those who think they're better than others because of their education I'd be a bit worried about. I think they make me a little nervous.
COMMENT: Note Hovind switches the argument from his target demographic onto himself (which was not the claim)
So here are some of the quotes that I said.
Dr Stephen J Gould becomes a "Marxist Professor at Harvard University in Boston" Page 34. Carl, that's correct. Karl Marx [sic] was a Marxist. He admitted it over and over. I'm not saying there's anything wrong. It's true. He was a communist, okay.
Eric: Stephen J Gould, was a Marxist
Kent: Yeah, Stephen J Gould was a Marxist
Eric: He passed away this last year and is know wishing that he had ....
Kent: An unnamed scientist is described as an "atheist Russian astronomer" Again, I'm sorry Carl, I forgot the name, okay. I meet lots of people - every week - and I forget names. Sorry about that, okay. [.....]
And Earnst Haeckel becomes a "German God-hater" That's exactly true. Earnst Haeckel was a German God-hater. I don't know what problem you've got with that, Carl. Study his life, okay, just study it.
Eric: We're not attacking Earnst Haekel. We're telling you what he is
Kent: We're stating a fact. He was an early God-hater. I happen to be one quarter German and three quarter Norwegian. I not against Germans. I preached in Germany three times. I'm going back again in a couple months. I'm not anti-German. I'm anti-error. I'm for truth. End of story, okay.
Eric: Exactly
Kent: He says, "Scientific Howlers - Evolution Theory says that all life "came from a rock" Eric, you look through the textbooks we have here.
Eric: Yeah
Kent: Do the textbooks teach - if you boil away all the fluff and feathers - that we came from a rock?
Eric: Unquestionably, yes, they do. And if you have a third grade, maybe a sixth grade, education in the public school system you'll be able to actually read those books and see that is exactly what they're teaching
Kent: Right. If you're home schooled you can understand it by first grade, you know. Private school - maybe by second grade. Public school - maybe by sixth or seventh grade.
Eric: Now we're not making fun of you out there if you go to a public school. We're just saying the education has been proven to not to be the .....
Kent: Not quite up to snuff.
Eric: But that's fine. Not a problem at all. It doesn't mean your dumb. It doesn't mean we're smart. It doesn't mean any of that, okay.
[......]
Kent: The periods of the Geologic Column are determined by "giving an age to each rock layer, based on how long they thought it would take these life forms to evolve from one kind to another." That's exactly how it happened. You'd better study the history of the Geologic Column. Study when they come up with this idea in the 1800's. This was - 1831 is when the book was published - the guys who came up with it were Strata Smith - they called him Strata Smith - he studied the different strata. All these guys - many of them believed in Creation - but they thought the time it took a layer to develop based upon sedimentation rates was some kind of indicator for how long it took to get the whole Geologic Column. They studied a few rivers - the sedimentation rates - that is how it was come up with. The whole thing is baloney
COMMENT: Note how Hovind switched from "life forms to evolve" to "sedimentation rates"
Kent: He says that I say, "Clams [only] exist at the bottom of the Geologic Column." Read the whole quote, Carl, okay. In my seminar I say, "If clams are found at the bottom of the so called Geologic Column that's because they are already at the bottom when the Flood started. That's where they live, you know, they live under water. So obviously they're the first ones buried. Birds would the last ones buried in a flood.
COMMENT: Note Hovind is still saying clams are only found on the bottom of the Geologic Column.
Kent: We can on through all the Scientific Howlers. I will defend my position on anything I said. If you disagree give me a call
[25:30]
Kent: Mr Hovind Goes to Arkansas. The State of Arkansas tried to pass a law banning lies in the textbooks.
Eric: Which, by the way, would be a great law. I mean, how many of you out there right now would like it if your kids were going to school and it was okay they were being taught lies as facts?
Kent: I say, "If I said the Moon is made of green cheese" That's a dumb theory but it's okay to have dumb theories. Then suppose I said, "NASA proved it when they went there in 1972" Well, now I'm using a lie to support my theory. It's okay to have a dumb theory, it's not okay to lie about it. It's worse to use tax dollars to get paid while you lie about the dumb theory, okay.
So, we went to Arkansas and tried to get them to pass a law that said, "Arkansas will not spend tax dollars to purchase materials that contain knowingly fraudulent information. For instance ..." and we gave ten or fifteen examples.
Jim Holt wrote the law - good friend of mine, lives in Arkansas, still Arkansas representative - did a great job. And HB2548 [.....]
After I got done testifying for 45 minutes in front of this Arkansas representative committee. A lady, sorry, woman from the ACLU - the American Communist Lawyers Union ....
Eric: Amen
Kent: .... got up there and said, "Folks this is an anti-evolution bill." One of the representatives said, "M'am, evolution is not mentioned in this bill. Why would you say this is an anti-evolution bill?" She said, "Well, everything used in this bill that you've talked to say we can't teach is used to support evolution." And he said, "Well, M'am, is it true these things are wrong?" She said, "Well, yes, but obviously this is an anti-evolution bill." Ha! Look, if it's a lie take it out. I don't care if it supports your theory or not. The point is it's a lie. Take it out out of the textbooks, okay. Don't try to get the kids to believe your theory.
[....] By the way, the Arkansas Bill, what happened was the ACLU lobbied those representatives and congressmen so hard for the next three days, that when it came time for an actual vote, twelve of them were scared to vote because they thought the ACLU would try to destroy their career. So they took a walk - they call it 'taking a walk' - and the Bill missed passing by six votes.
Eric: Swell people in Arkansas were scared to vote. So if you are in Arkansas you need to write them guys and tell 'em, "Don't be chicken. Vote for what's right."
Kent: Do what's right. If you loose your job you still do what's right
Eric: That's what God says. Do what's right. Remember the little song when you were a kid? [....]
[28:20]
Kent: I don't want to spend the rest of my life on Carl **** web site. He's probably getting more publicity now then he's ever gotten in his life (laughter) Probably the, you know, twenty people a year that look at his site, or whatever it is, you know, couldn't care less. I'm sorry for wasting all your time on this but I do want a chance to defend myself.
Eric: Plus this will help other Christians. As other Christians genuinely seek the truth they will be able to understand what Dr Hovind has to say in defence for what has been said.
Kent: He has a section in here about Matson versus Hovind. This is Dave Matson who wrote a web site answering, supposedly, all the Young Earth Arguments. We'll get into Dave Matson's arguments when we get to his web site.
Here's what happened. I give a bunch of evidences that the Earth is can not be billions of years old. Dave Matson wrote a long dissertation on each one and, because he wrote on it, he thinks, "Therefore I'm right." I have students who wrote all kinds of term papers and the more they talked the less the knew about the subject, obviously. Probably did that a time or two? Tried to snow the teacher?
Eric: Oh yeah.
Kent: Just keep writing and writing and writing. "He must know something about this. Pass him." You know.
Eric: They really do read those .....
Kent: If any of Matson particular arguments ..... most people can see right through most of them, okay. But if one of them gives you a hard time before we get to them, give me a call [.....]
Kent: Hovind and the Hendersons. What is that one about?
Eric: I haven't seen it
Kent: Oh, about cryptozoology. The study of hidden animals. Yeah
Eric: Hmmm
Kent: Yeah, I agree. Hovind tries to argue ... the forth paragraph ... the case for Pictures of Dinosaurs in the Twentieth Century. Now the first question is, what does this have to do with a young Earth? Well, Carl, my seminar and my ministry is a whole lot more than just proving its a young Earth. We're proving evolution is a lie. We're proving dinosaurs lived with man. Dinosaurs may still be alive, I don't know, but there seems to be an awful lot of evidence there is some still alive. And plus, what I put in my seminar is none of your business. You have zero control over it. We don't care what you think, alright.
Eric: If we want to teach the Moon is green cheese then we'll do it
Kent: We're not going to teach the Moon is green cheese. So, yes, if you look at my web site, drdino.com [.....] I think there is pretty overwhelming evidence that dinosaurs have lived with man and some may still be alive like the one that washed up on the beach in California.
Okay, he mentions here, one has been rebutted [....] the article from AIG Let Rotting Sharks Lie. This is one of the things AIG were upset about that I'm still mentioning the Japanese fishing boat caught the basking shark - or whatever it was - the plesiosaur. They [the fishermen] claimed it was a plesiosaur. Some folks have tried to claim it was a basking shark. I say in my seminar, "I don't know what it was." But I do know the fishermen on board said, "She's not a basking shark." The marine biologist who had it on board said, "It's not a basking shark." He drew sketches of the bones. They made a special stamp for Japanese mail. And they threw it back - it stunk - it was going to destroy the whole cargo of fish. So, if it's a basking shark, so what? I don't know. They didn't think it was - it is what I say in my seminar. The fishermen didn't think it was. The marine biologist didn't think it was. When they analyzed the protein from the sample that was saved it was, like, 96% similar to shark protein.
Eric: Must be a basking shark
Kent: Oh yeah. You know, humans have 46 chromosomes. Chimpanzees have 48. Wow. 98% similar
Eric: Pretty close
COMMENT: Chromosome Lie redux. See Liar Liar Pant on Fire
Kent: And they argue about humans and chimps have a 98.6% similarity in their DNA. It's now 95% - they've revised the number down. What does that prove?
Eric: Nothing.
Kent: It still proves humans and chimps are different.
Eric: Yep
Kent: And so, if this 98% similar - or 96% similar - to basking shark protein that doesn't prove it wasn't a plesiosaur. Nobody has ever seen plesiosaur protein to know what it's supposed to look like. I've never seen any. In my seminar, Carl, I simply say - the fishermen said they thought it was - the Japanese government thought it was - the marine biologist thought it was. Some Americans who never touched the carcass said it wasn't.
Eric: Go figure
Kent: Go figure. Okay. So I'm perfectly able to mention that this creature was found. They threw it back. I think it's a small piece of evidence in a much bigger puzzle. There are thousands of things like this.
[......]
[33:40]
Eric: We're not saying all of them are true either, Carl. We're just saying that, "Hey, thousands of people claim to see it. If thousands of people claim to see something then there could possibly be some legitimacy to the stories."
Kent: Hovind has co-authored a book called Claws, Jaws and Dinosaurs on the subject
Eric: By the way, if you'd like one feel free to call in or write us. It's only, what, five dollars?
Kent: Five bucks
Eric: Five bucks
Kent: If you want to get a bunch in quantity you can get a better price than that. You can give them out as Christmas presents.
Eric: I know the author personally. Great book. You'd better check it out
Kent: It's written probably for junior age level for kids to get interested in the study of cryptozoology - the study of hidden animals - to make them stop and question, "Hey, maybe what I've been taught isn't true about dinosaurs living millions of years ago. Maybe they lived with man."
Eric: It's got pictures and stuff. Great little book
Kent: Book's been very effective. Not a best seller - we've sold maybe ten thousand of them - but we've got some left if you want to call in [....]
And he says, Hovind has co-authored a book - with William Gibbons, by the way, whose been to the Congo maybe five times, Carl, which is how research is supposed to work.
Eric: You go there. You check it out.
Kent: Check it out. He's been there, checked it out. He's convinced there are dinosaurs still alive in Africa. I don't know if you've been there or not but he has. And he and I authored the book together.
He says I authored a book on the subject, aimed at children of course. Now, what does that mean? Aimed at children of course?
Eric: He's trying to brainwash the kids, Dad.
Kent: We'll take a look at textbooks to teach evolution 'aimed at children of course'. From kindergarten on. Hello. I'm aimed at teaching the truth, Carl.
Eric: These kids are being taught a lie and somebody needs to teach them the truth.
Kent: Hovind also makes a few bucks out of modern dino mania with fossil replicas. .
Eric: Ohhh
Kent: We do make fossil replicas. We have a museum here.
Eric: That has bought in billions of dollars.
Kent: Oh, billions of dollars. I just saw the list today, actually. How many fossils we've made.
Eric: Okay, maybe not billions but, you know, we're making a dent.
Kent: Take off all the zeros. I think we've made about a dollar, okay. We try to use them as witnessing tools.
Eric: And the do work great, I mean, a great conversation piece, if you want to check it out.
[.....]
[37:05]
Kent: He says, "Pay careful attention to the Paluxy casting - that 'imprint' looks just a little too perfect." Can't be real - too perfect.
Eric: What would you expect a human footprint to look like, Carl?
Kent: I'm missing the logic here, Carl. Totally, okay. I'm totally missing the ... too perfect to be real?
He said, "Its ironic that Hovind is flogging faked castings just like the residents of Paluxy did back in the 1930's." Well, Carl, you're lying, okay. I'm not flogging a faked casting, alright. I think it's a legitimate casting. I've been there five times to the Paluxy River. "Dr" Carl Baugh lives there - has lived there for years - has the river running right through his property. I met with Emmet McFall - who died recently but lived there for sixty years on the Paluxy River - and knows an enormous amount about the footprints. So you might want to go to Carl Baugh's web site [....] and see what he has to say about that. But don't accuse me of trying to peddle a fake footprint. I don't believe it's fake or I wouldn't be selling it, okay.
[35:15]
Kent: What did he tell us to do about his web site.
Eric: [....] He said, basically, in correspondence with Jonathan, "Look, you show the errors and I'll be happy to correct 'em. Surprise me, be different. I haven't had a response from this request in two years." He's ready for the response. Here it is - a couple of things to correct.
Kent: Let me tell you why it's been two years, okay. I don't care what he thinks.
Eric: That's a very good point.
Kent: If all I did was read all these critical web sites I'd get nothing else done
Eric: We've already given three hours to this.
Kent: I don't care what he thinks. Critics can be your best friend. I like people to analyse and do this kind of stuff and, you know, if I'm wrong I'll change it. Honestly I will. So far I haven't seen anything that I need to change. So, Carl, sorry. You asked what we think you should do - you should at least correct the mistakes we've pointed out. My real recommendation, though, close this site down.
Eric: Yeah
Kent: Well, get a spellchecker - wouldn't that be one? But I would just close the site down, if it were me. I don't think there is anything in here worth keeping.
The Connection to Jack Chick Oh, Jack Chick is a close personal friend of mine.
Eric: Yeah, and he doesn't even say anything on there. All he says is, "Hey, there's a connection with Jack Chick," and leaves it at that.
Kent: Wow. What's that supposed to mean? Jack Chick is doing a great job. [....] He asked me to rewrite the Big Daddy comic book. I was honored to be asked by him. And so I rewrote the Big Daddy - added a few things, deleted a few things - and updated it, basically. And it's really sharp. You can get it through our ministry actually. Yes, love what he is doing.
Anything else you see that we have to cover?
Eric: I don't see anything we have to cover. [.....] He talks about Hovind Attacks the Evolution Theory, and supposedly all of the attacks are not true. I don't exactly know what he is trying to do there. [.....]
[41:15]
Kent: Carl, you probably got, like I said, more advertising is the last three programs than you've gotten in your life. And if you don't take the site down it'll probably go back to oblivion where nobody cares, alright.