Jonathan

Thank you for writing Creation Science Evangelism in regards to a written debate. It is widely known that Dr. Hovind has very little time available for doing written debates. Dr. Hovind has however asked me to invite you to the call in radio talk show starting at 5pm central and lasting through 6pm central.

Actually, I didn't write to CSE regarding this issue. I'm the author of "Analysis of Kent Hovind" http://www.oocities.org/kenthovind/ A Hovind supporter who recently emailed me has obviously "volunteered" me for the task. If I had bothered to ask Mr Hovind for a debate I would have used my full name. I know Hovind has never done a written debate and never will do one in the future (and it is not for lack of time).

And now for something completely differant.[sic] I know you are one of Hovind employees, so it is that time of year for me to once again offer my website http://www.oocities.org/kenthovind/ for evaluation by Mr Hovind or his employees (that means you) for the purpose of correcting any errors or misinterpretations on my behalf. Unless an error is corrected, it is will have to stay on the net. Surprise me, be different, I haven't had a response from this request in two years.

Thank you for your timely response. In regards to your "debate email", I am the person who - more than likely - emailed you with the option of debating Dr. Hovind on the radio program. I have made many offers to many people in the past so I apologize for not remembering yours specifically. I will answer some of your points that you have made in your previous exchange as well as invite you - once again - to a live debate aired throughout the world with Dr. Kent Hovind. If you feel Dr. Hovind has "lied" in his evidence against evolution, or for creation; you are more than welcome to expose him on the radio.

These would be agreed upon by yourself and Dr. Hovind. The program (Creation Science Hour) is - unfortunately - only 1 hour long. We would like to have at least 10 - 15 minutes for questions and answers from external participants. That would sadly leave us with 45 minutes for yourself and Dr. Hovind to exchange comments and arguments. However, we could also have this debate run through two days, or even three if necessary. Again, these terms and conditions are not a settled agreement as of yet. They would be discussed with you prior to the debate.

Once again, you are invited to the Creation Science Hour to engage in a 1 hour debate with Dr. Hovind. You may use any information you like, and debunk any "lies" you would like. I do feel that you should engage in this debate to maintain evolutionist integrity. There are hundreds upon hundreds of anti-hovind websites, however the authors of these websites do not wish to personally confront Dr. Hovind about their discussed topics. Perhaps you will change all of that and bring your work to his attention.

Discussing the claims made by Mr Hovind would be a worthy topic. Would you care to contact Mr Hovind about discussing this (I'm assuming you have authorisation to make this offer).

Excellent! Contact Hovind so we can work on the details. TOPIC - Hovind's Errors.

I would be more than happy to contact Dr. Hovind. However, I feel you should also speak with him over the telephone preceeding [sic] the actual debate at sometime. If you would like; I can arrange a time for Dr. Hovind to call your (Since you are out of the USA).

This would be a wonderful topic; you may bring to the table your list of "lies" and present them before Dr. Hovind live on the air.

I think the best way to do this would be for Mr Hovind to email me to first indicate that he agrees to the subject and what we have so far discussed.

Based upon our previous exchanges, it is my understanding that a discussion between Mr Hovind and myself would cover the following:

TOPIC: The errors of Mr Hovind’s presentations (Accuracy or otherwise of evolution theory won’t be debated)

LOCATION: Live on Truth Radio

LENGTH: At least 20 minutes. A Q&A from listeners can be added.

DATE: To be negotiated.

I am available during most of December 2003 and January 2004. Other dates also negotiable.

I can be contacted via the reply address of this email.

You are welcome to ask any questions regarding Dr. Hovind's material as you should also be ready to defend evolutionary theory if such questions should arise (be it with the main debate or external participation). I will not engage in an email debate, mainly because it is a waste of time to sit with one person and speak in circles. Again, I invite you to appear on the truthradio broadcast in front of a large audience from all backgrounds and beliefs. Atheists, Evolutionists, Old Earth Creationists, Young Earth Creationists and many more tune in daily. I await your decision eagerly. As for Dr. Hovind emailing you in regards to the debate, I feel you need to read our previous exchanges one again. I've made it very clear that Dr. Hovind does not engage in email discussion. If you would like to discuss the procedures of the debate, please respond with your telephone number and we will contact you.

I am more than willing to confront Mr Hovind on air with my accusations - which was again your suggestion. I will not, however, allow Mr Hovind an opportunity to "throw his tail" when he gets backed into a corner. To avoid one of his methods of doing this, evolution theory (in whatever form) will not be debated in terms of right or wrong. Hovind said just recently on Truth Radio (I have been downloading the archives) that evolutionist need to justify evolution in schools, not Creationists who have to justify their position. In the spirit of this, Hovind should justify his claims when asked, his opponent does not need to simultaneously justify theirs.

We can, of course, discuss "evolution theory" at a later date if need be. I would want the exact field under discussion to be specified in advance (a) so Hovind can't wiggle and (b) I can do some research.

WARNING: You are dialing [sic] a home with two heavy internet users and one phone line. You also have to negotiate the International Date Line, about 10 time zones, plus daylight saving.

If you tuned into the program yesterday you will know that Dr. Hovind is more than happy with your suggested subject, "Hovind's Lies" (or something to that affect). You are more than welcome to "back him into a corner" if you like. The information that Dr. Hovind shares is meant to be 100% factual, if you can argue against his material, please do. If there is anything that is being presented as true, when indeed it is not... we would like to extract that from the seminars.

If you feel you do not want to debate or discuss evolutionary theory; then I feel you may want to think twice about coming on the show. The show is about the creation/evolution controversy. You are more than welcome to question Dr. Hovind personally for about 30 minutes, but we will have time for callers to call in and also for Dr. Hovind to question you if necessary. If you feel unqualified to discuss such a topic, you are more than welcomed to use any information from your website.

Dr. Hovind will be in touch with you soon. From this point on, it's between you and Dr. Hovind. My goal was to get people - who are willing to debate/discuss - to contact Dr. Hovind. Thank you for your time, and good luck in all that you do.

I have just recently spoke with Dr. Hovind in regards to your website (http://www.oocities.org/kenthovind). He has decided to dedicate 15 minutes of each program to anti-Hovind websites, starting with yours. This evening (Dec. 10th, 2003 @ 5pm-6pm central) Dr. Kent Hovind will address a few points that you make on your website. If you feel some are stronger and more effective than others, you are more than welcome to instant message us on Aol Instant Messenger during the program (5pm - 6pm central) under the screen name "Dr Dino Live". You should know that we experience many messages on this instant messenger therefore rebuttals and counter arguments are not frequently taken via the internet. Single questions are, however, welcomed. This evening, at about 9pm central (1pm in xxxxxx), Dr. Hovind will attempt to contact you. The previous evening (December 9th, 2003) an attempt was made but not successful due to the lack of information (country code) in your previous email.

Well, well, well. I'm reading this email around midnight, Dec 10 your time (and there was no second phone call). I did warn about trying to ring first.

You give me no notice and no serious opportunity of reply. Is this what counts as the Hovind v [xxxxxxx]? Is this Hovind's new tactic - "anywhere, anytime, except don't ttell the opponent"

If you are still serious about doing this properly may I suggest we do the following:

1) Tell me which date you would like me to appear - give me 2-3 days notice to get some notes together

2) On the night in question, the phone link will be established prior to the start of the show (you tell me how you want to set the link up) The subject will ONLY be "Hovind's Errors" (hence the web site)

3) The only additional request I have is to know what Hovind said on December 10, 2003 - a transcript will be fine.

For the next six days (roughly) your website will be the center of attention on the Creation Science Hour. You have in a recent email requested that Dr. Hovind or his staff go through and examine it for lies, errors, misrepresentations and the like material. You are more than welcome to call in during the program (1.850.479.3466) and speak with Dr. Hovind live or you can instant message us on Aol Instant Messenger under the screen name "Dr Dino Live". You are more than welcome to discuss any material made available on your site or others regarding Dr. Hovind, his ministry or his personal credibility. I think the lines are set; and we hope to hear from you soon. As for a transcript of Dec. 10, the closet thing I can offer is the actual program itself. I do not have the time to transcript this program as I have many dozens of other things that occupy my everyday. I will however make this program available online a.s.a.p.

You seem to have a problem with us offering a notice that we will be addressing your website. This bothers me as you - to my knowledge - did not offer the ministry or Dr. Hovind a notice that you would be degrading him publicly, mocking his academic accomplishments and bringing personal issues into public light? I do not recall a 3 day notice on this. Perhaps you can correct me if I'm wrong. I do not recall getting 3 day notices prior to every update made on your website. The problem is clear, when you publicly attack somebody, you will be publicly countered. Yesterday - while scrutinizing your anti-hovind website - our external participation level increased several times over. It seems that you should also stand by your word that any corrections needing be made to your website, will indeed be made. For the next week Dr. Hovind and his son Eric Hovind will publicly (as you have done for many years) address "Carl [xxxxxxx]" and his material. You are more than welcome to call in during the program, or you may also contact us via aol instant messenger under the screen name "Dr Dino Live". We look forward to hearing from you.

I do not have a problem with Hovind commenting on the website. The reason I asked for 3 days notice is to convert and condense my main arguments into a format suitable for a verbal exchange. Upon uploading the website, and prior to search engine listing, I offered CSE the opportunity to comment. The opportunity was ignored.

I do, however, find it extremely unethical to offer a debate - go through all the trouble of contact details etc - then start the "debate" without the opponent being (a) informed, or (b) present. Remember your last instruction to me was to await a phone call from Mr Hovind. Didn't happen did it?

I supppose [sic] I will have to wait a month to see exactly what is offered in defense [sic]. You see, I missed the first day due to not being informed. You then informed it was only one day. Then you tell me, after the second day, that the one sided converstation [sic] has continued. Now I have missed two days. I can't comment on the third day due to work commitments.

I suppose Day Four will be Tuesday 16 December 2003? Or will I be told on Wednesday?

This whole saga will make an interesting addition to the website.

You state that upon uploading and prior to listing your website you contacted the ministry and requested that they review your website? We have no record of this so unfortunately it cannot be verified on our end. And since then, have you contacted us regarding every addition to your website? Unfortunately, no. What is taking place right now during the Creation Science Hour, is not a "Debate" as you stated. This is simply us following through with your request made in an earlier exchange. Allow me to reiterate what you stated earlier:

You formally offered your website for evaluation; this is what we are currently doing. It bothers me that you would complain in such a fashion that you have as you have been - for years - slandering Dr. Hovind, mocking his education, emphasizing on personal information and completely making a fool of yourself. You have dedicated much of your website to ad hominem attacks rather than science. You still have the welcoming to appear on the radio show - whenever you like - and participate in a radio discussion on "Hovind's Lies" as you previously requested. As of now, you're site - as you also requested - is being evaluated on-air.

Once again, this is NOT A DEBATE, but rather your requested evaluation of www.oocities.org/kenthovind/ . The debate between yourself and Dr. Hovind can take place later if you like; or when time permits you to do so. I understand that you may not be permitted to engage in a debate as of now due to work issues; therefore we are more than happy to be patient with you until a convenient time arises. If I stated that this "evaluation" was only going to extend through one day; I apologize. Perhaps you can cite the exchange where I made that comment and I will retract it. I do recall making a comment in regards to the evaluation.

This evaluation will continue for a few more days; you are - again - informed. If you are not made available for this "Saga", it will be archived on our website and we hope you - likewise - make it available on yours for your viewers. I cannot stress enough that this is not the "Debate" discussed in early exchanges, this is the requested "evaluation" that you had previously asked for. I certainly hope this event is well documented on your website for your viewers. When the archives are made available (after editing and so forth) I will inform you. One request on my end, when you make this information available, please extract my email address.