17th October,
2000; (Slightly Corrected Version)
p a n d e m o n i u m
Tuesday
Evening
International
AOL
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PRELUDE: USUAL WARMING UP
naranjahit
has entered the room.
naranjahit:
Hi Franz
Einai2000 has entered the room.
naranjahit:Hallo
Irix!
Einai2000:...al
fin!
panta98:Carl
is rebooting!
Einai2000:Hello
again, Stella!
Einai2000:Hi
Franz! Stella, please make sure to save the chat, too, seems I'm having
difficulties here today.
CarlZim8 has entered
the room.
naranjahit: same
here.
panta98:Iris,
please save too.
naranjahit:Hello
Carl!
CarlZim8:
Hi
Einai2000:And
it lasts minutes for the messages to appear here!
Einai2000:Hello
again, Carl!
panta98:Now,
all four musketeers are there! Look out for Steve and Khalid!
Einai2000:And
Steve?
CarlZim8:
I couldn't send messages, so I had to reboot
panta98:I
don't know whether he is stevesonoko or plasticsmith. Steve
speaks in strange tongues and many names. There are four "steve smiths"
on ICQ!
Einai2000:Franz,
Carl and Stella: Khalid sent a message from the university, sends
greetings,
is still having a meeting there and can't join. Now, I cannot see Steve
on AOL?
naranjahit:Ok!
CarlZim8:I don't see Steve
on AOL and ICQ
Einai2000:But
I also don't see Steve listed online in ICQ? Carl? Can you try to
connect
him?
panta98:Well,
I suggest that we begin before CANTV, AOL and the Hackers cause havoc!
naranjahit:Yes,
please!
Einai2000:Yes,
please do so, Franz. Sow the Wind...
GETTING DOWN TO BRASS TACKS
....
panta98:Orwellian
Experiences, 1960 - 1962. Today I will just concentrate on the period
1960
- 1962, in which dramatic "revolutionary" ddevelopments took place in my
Orwellian Life Experience.
CarlZim8:Please proceed, Franz.
panta98:Why
I left Britstown in 1960, to go the Great City, Cape Town, was simply
to
search for a job, to get higher pay, to enable me to finance my private
university studies at the University of South Africa, Pretoria.
panta98:At
least this was allowed, and I received the same university education
like
anybody else in South Africa -- of course, it was known that I was a
"Coloured",
hence the educational discrimination continued, as far as
correspondence
tuition and marking of examination papers were concerned.
panta98:As
my parents were poor, from them I could not expect any financial help.
In fact, I was on my own. Nobody encouraged me to do anything. In fact,
then already nobody (of my family) really knew what I was up to.
panta98:This
has remained a "law" till today, till the 3rd Millennium.
Einai2000:...invited
Steve...
plasticsmith has entered
the room.
Einai2000:Hello,
Steve! Welcome again!
naranjahit:Hello
Steve!
plasticsmith:
Hi all
panta98:Hi,
Steve. Iris will paste for you the previous sentences. ...They trusted
me -- but still, they already considered me to be loco,
Everything I did, aspired to, was done at a risk, was my very own
responsibility.
To a certain degree, I was "free".
Einai2000:...Ok,
a moment, please...
Einai2000:panta98:Orwellian
Experiences, 1960 - 1962 Today I will just concentrate on the period
1960
- 1962, in which dramatic "revolutionary" ddevelopments took place in my
Orwellian Life Experience.
Einai2000:panta98:Why
I left Britstown in 1960, to go the Great City, Cape Town, was simply
to
search for a job, to get higher pay, to enable me to finance my private
university studies at the University of South Africa, Pretoria.
Einai2000:panta98:At
least this was allowed, and I received the same university education
like
anybody else in South Africa -- of course, it was known that I was a
"Coloured",
Einai2000:hence
the educational discrimination continued, as far as correspondence
tuition
and marking of examination papers were concerned.
Einai2000:panta98:As
my parents were poor, from them I could not expect any financial help.
In fact, I was on my own. Nobody encouraged me to do anything.
panta98:Steve,
please read. Iris will paste my comments made before, so that you could
follow the train of thought. I assume you read the first part of last
week's
chat.
Einai2000:In
fact, then already nobody (of my family) really knew what I was up to.
Einai2000:panta98:This
has remained a "law" till today, till the 3rd Millennium.
Einai2000:ok
Einai2000:..please
proceed, Franz.
plasticsmith:OK
Thanks for the update.
panta98:Aniother
remark before, Steve ....
plasticsmith:I'm
listening
panta98:"panta98:I
don't know whether he is stevesonoko
or plasticsmith. Steve
speaks in strange tongues and has many names. There are four "steve
smiths"
on ICQ!"
Einai2000:You're
welcome, Steve.
plasticsmith: My
split personality, I guess.
CarlZim8:Hi, Steve
plasticsmith:hi
Carl
panta98:Well,
I'll proceed ..... Steve, don't "split" now ....
plasticsmith:Who
is naranjahit?
naranjahit:Stella
Einai2000:It's
my sister, Stella, Steve.
plasticsmith:oh
panta98:Hence,
I was lucky, saved from the well-known "family" terrorism and
authoritarianism.
In this way, I developed a self-critical, self-adventurous attitude
towards
my social environment.
plasticsmith:Hi
Stella, I saw your picture ... video I think.
naranjahit: ...help!
panta98:Yes,
I saw one too --- Miss Academic Beauty, no, sorry, Miss University!!!
Sssttteeelllaaaa!
Einai2000: Family
terrorism, concise this one...
Einai2000: Franz,
caramba!
Einai2000:proceed,
please :-)
naranjahit:This
was the only "correct" statement ;-).
Einai2000:Stella!
zieh
dich warm an...
naranjahit:jojo!
Einai2000:ok,
please proceed, Franz...
naranjahit:yes,
better proceed.
panta98:Well,
it's not precisely the theme today; in short, the sado-masochistic
relation
which is called "marriage", or as Marx & Engels called it "a form
of
legal prostitution".
Einai2000:I
know, it's just to tell you that I liked this one, Franz... I'm
listening.
panta98:I
proceed ... My entrance into "political life", however, came across
"Rock
'n Roll", across the songs of Elvis Presley. I became a rock star, as
far
as dancing "rock" was concerned.
panta98:From
my "friends" I learned about city life, about their grief and sorrows,
about their wrath and love. Across the street, in Lockerby Road, I
became
acquainted with a "Malay" family, the Esau's. Every night, non-stop,
Bonnie,
Daisy and I discussed politics.
plasticsmith:Franz..you
cause my wife to smack me on the head.
panta98:Peace!
Peace!! As the good old Jeff used to say!
Einai2000:Time.
Space...
panta98:Sonoko,
don't worry, Steve is an Extraordinary Exception; he proves the golden
rule.
panta98:Continuing
... Well, this was something new, something "educative". Stubbornly, I
was defending the existence of God, and of "society". I just could not
see light, not a ray in the dark tunnel of ignorance.
plasticsmith has left
the room.
plasticsmith has entered the room.
panta98:Steve,
I told you not to "split"; Sonoko, please calm Steve down!!!
plasticsmith:
I just got bumped off... accused me of doing something
against
cyber-law and sent me packing.
panta98:Well,
as I was saying, I believed in God!
panta98:I
believed in society, democracy and "human rights".
plasticsmith:who's
God? Which, witch one???
panta98:I
was fascinated by the "human being". I AFFIRMED them all.
panta98:Well,
I had three: The Anglican God whom I received by baptism.
panta98:The
Roman Catholic One whom I received to get "education".
panta98:And,
finally, the Dutch Reformed One, to get a job as farm labourer.
panta98:Proceeding
....
Einai2000:The
Holy Trinity...
panta98:No
matter how they tried, I was convinced that I am "right", that I defend
accepted rules, norms and facts. I was caught in a terrible degree of
obscurantism,
a very low level of consciousness.
panta98:Yes,
Iris.
panta98:That's
why I don't get wild when somebody is "ignorant", in German "Schwer vom
Begriff".
plasticsmith:I
thought that was the point of religion...a low level of consciousness
panta98:Carl,
still around? I just got a message that you are online!
Einai2000:Carl
is listed, Franz.
CarlZim8:Yep, listening
plasticsmith:me
too
panta98:Yes,
Steve, superstition, religion, are the most primitive levels of
consciousness.
Never mind, that Hegel upgraded Protestant Religion.
panta98:Proceeding
....
panta98:This
would still last for a while, due to the damage which religious
indoctrination
had caused to my youthful brain. It was one of the most complex
emancipatory
tasks which I ever would perform.
CarlZim8:Religion = repression
= labor = alienation = racism.
panta98:It
is really tough to disalienate oneself from religion.
plasticsmith:another
form of brainwashing ..perhaps the oldest
panta98:Carl,
invite Jeff, he's on ICQ!
CarlZim8:Religion is a product
of the imagination, then stifled it
CarlZim8:OK
Einai2000:...listening...
panta98:Worse,
Carl. It's an extrapolation; an outer projection, it's what the "human
being" IS and IS NOT.
CarlZim8:I invited Jeff.
panta98:It's
an auto-projection: Jahweh, the wrath of upsurging capitalism.
panta98:Jesus,
the ever so sweet sugar of the poor. It reminds me of the song which
the
student movement loved so much in the '60's: "Sugar, Sugar ...Honey,
Honey, ...".
panta98:Proceeding
....
plasticsmith:nice
one, Franz
panta98:Of
course, others undergo similar forms of brainwashing, believing
forever,
believing forever in the labour system, in the world system, wanting
only
to change it from within, placing their last penny on the losing horse,
the masses, ...
CarlZim8:Jeff says he's too
busy now - maybe next week.
panta98:Yes,
Steve, it's like that!
panta98:OK!
Carl.
Einai2000:
Ok, greetings to Jeff, Carl.
panta98:From
us too.
plasticsmith:I
have something for Jeff.
panta98:Proceeding
....
panta98:Of
course, others undergo similar forms of brainwashing, believing
forever,
believing forever in the labour system, in the world system, wanting
only
to change it from within, placing their last penny on the losing horse,
the masses, ...
CarlZim8:I'm saving the chat
transcript.
panta98:...
wanting to educate the workers, the poor, trusting the great men, our
great
leaders, etc. Most of them never would experience that emancipatory
eureka
feeling, when like a bolt out of the blue, suddenly the last penny
drops,
jacta
est alea.
panta98:Everybody,
please save it.
Einai2000:Will
do so, Franz.
naranjahit:done
panta98:OK!
Proceeding .....
panta98:I
had a very hard time to understand the inner mechanics of this labour
system.
It's no easy walk to emancipation.
CarlZim8:Current world
conflicts-Middle
East, Ughiurs in Khazakstan are fighting for a bigger piece of the
current
system
panta98:Hence,
I am always very patient and considerate, when anybody defends his/her
brilliant "ideas" - concerning the "human being", "democracy", "human
rights",
"peace", "equality", etc., - with his/her very last drop of blood.
panta98:Once
upon a time, for decades, I was just like that ....
panta98:Acquiring
knowledge is an arduous task, if it has not been fed with Mother
Nature's
milk from the point go, ab ovo.
CarlZim8:Gore and Bush will
do that in tonight's TV debate`
plasticsmith:Last
week I stood up to defend my rights to a parking space...I now have a
very
nice black eye...
panta98:The
Lord Will Bless Them! Praised Be The Lord!!!
CarlZim8:Franz, now
knowledge=TV
entertainment
panta98:Precisely
so, Carl.
panta98:Proceeding
....
Einai2000:Steve!
Hopefully things like that won't happen when you go and try to defend
your
rights concerning Oak Ridge...
panta98:The
longer the sojourn in the wilderness of "education", "culture" and
"civilization",
the longer it takes to develop emancipatory "consciousness". I never
get
excited when somebody really tries to understand, but is hindered by
"slow
burn", by a bamboozled mind.
CarlZim8:Are you OK now, Steve?
plasticsmith:In
that respect I give black eyes not get them
panta98:Don't
worry, Steve, In The Lord We Trust, at least, the $ says so!!!
CarlZim8:OK now
panta98:Proceed.
....
panta98:Anyhow,
after coming back from my "Rock 'n Roll" sessions late at night, my
political
discussions with "Bonnie & Daisy" centred around the burning
questions
of Evolution and Revolution, Peace and Violence, Reform and Revolution,
in South Africa.
panta98:Iris,
wanna dance with me? The Jailhouse Rock???
Einai2000:Sure,
Franz!
plasticsmith:Im
OK ..but it's been at least 30 years since I have sported a shiner.
panta98:Steve,
get that guitar!!!
panta98:Proceeding
....
plasticsmith:I
got it in my hands.
CarlZim8:Franz, during that
period, we discussed Che Guevara's ideas
panta98:Well
then, tune down to Elvis' "In The Ghetto", there's where we go now!
panta98:Proceeding
....
CarlZim8:He believed that
revolutionary
change could be initiated by a handful of people
plasticsmith:On
the more serious side...last evening I did a radio talk show about the
Oak Ridge thing. The lady who interviewed me gave me a moste
exrtodanary
document ...
panta98:And
then, on the 21st March, 1960, all ideological scales and splinters
fell
off my very eyes. Somebody tries to hack me, ProtectX is flaring up,
sending
a message, and tracing the hacker!!!
Einai2000:Che
Guevara, who liked to place women to KKK... were they belong...
panta98:Just
wait. ...
Einai2000:Ok,
Franz..
plasticsmith:It's
a report of investigation from the Depart of Treasury (US).
naranjahit:yes,
very revolutionary, these ideas of Che...
CarlZim8:Iris, a limitation
of his culture at the time - Guevara - Argentine - 1/2 Spanish and 1/2
Italian.
Einai2000:that's
revolutionary, Stella, indeed...
panta98:OK,
let's proceed ....
CarlZim8:However, he was not
a womanizer.
Einai2000:Yes,
Carl.
plasticsmith:If
this document is authentic and it sure looks that way...this is one of
the most frightening things I have ever read
panta98:March 21, 1960
...
panta98:As
usual, I went to work, taking the "all blacks" train from Athlone to
Langa.
All over I noticed a very strange, eerie tension. All over heavily
armed
police-men, the army and special security units were mobilized, ready
for
immediate action. Helicopters were soaring over Langa.
CarlZim8:Democratic Socialist
Michael Harrington was a womanizer.
Einai2000:If
you can do so, Steve, please scann and send it to us. Proceed, Franz...
plasticsmith:I
will do that
panta98:I
listened to my pocket radio; from all over the country strange,
contradictory,
distorted events were reported. Pretoria stated that everything was
under
control and that nobody should worry or get nervous.
panta98:But,
at first, a posteriori, let me explain what really
happened in South Africa on that horrible day.
CarlZim8:Steve, is your radio
show on an archive on the site?
panta98:Anybody
still reading ...???
Einai2000:Yes,
Franz, please proceed.
naranjahit:Yes
panta98:OK.
....
Einai2000:You
are about to tell us about the Massacre of Sharpeville.
Einai2000:
I suppose...
panta98:Firstly,
we have to keep in mind what was explained in our previous chat,
especially
with regard to education, and the channelling of cheap black labour
into
the farms, mines and factories.
panta98:Yes!
panta98:As
a reminder of the state of affairs, let me quote the Minister of
Agriculture,
J. N. le Roux:
panta98:"We
should not give the natives an academic education. if we do this, we
shall
be burdened with a number of academically trained Europeans and
non-Europeans,
and who is going to do the manual labour in the country? ...
CarlZim8:Please, Franz
plasticsmith:Carl.
It is archived but I'm not sure if it's up yet... if not it will be
soon.
CarlZim8:OK, Steve
panta98:...
I am in thorough agreement with the view ... that to a great extent he
(the Native) must be the labourer in this country."
panta98:Then,
things were still clear. Nowadays, the truth is hidden! Never mind,
"open
secrets" on Internet!!!
Einai2000:cold
blooded, sraight forward, they had their things quite clear!
CarlZim8:They didn't realize
that their profits would be higher if they gave the non-whites full
equality.
panta98:At
least, the South African capitalists and their political henchmen had
called
a spade, a spade. Elsewhere, in the "developed world", this same "home
truth" is being presented with a bouquet of stinking flowers, ...
panta98:...
and the majority swallows these ideological, political "lies", line,
hook
and sinker. Just listen to the news and reports on CNN, and then we
could
see what sophisticated brain-laundering looks like, and how excellent
it
functions.
panta98:Any
comments???
plasticsmith:Franz
that is Canada exactly
naranjahit:reading...
Einai2000:Yes,
truly so, Franz. No further comments for the moment, please, proceed.
panta98:You
see what I mean, Steve!
CarlZim8:Franz, in the USA,
lots of people, Left and Right, fought racism during this period.
panta98:Proceeding
....
plasticsmith:The
UN called this the best place in the world to live....not from my
experience..everyone
in this country is asleep.
CarlZim8:Right-William Buckley
panta98:Now,
first some data, to send a chill down your spines. ....
panta98:In
those days, "non-whites", mainly "blacks", constituted 99% of the
unskilled
workers in industry, 66% of the semi-skilled and 17% of the skilled
labourers.
A white mineworker earned 16 times more than his "black colleague".
panta98:The
recruited non-white labourers were separated according to race and
"tribe"
and lived far from the white posh suburbs, like Sea Point, in arid
regions,
like Langa and Nyanga, in jail-like barracks and locations.
panta98:In
the fifties, the average family income of a "black" wage-slave equalled
72% of the minimum level necessary for existence. In 1960, this figure
sunk below 50% in Johannesburg and Cape Town.
CarlZim8:Left-Gus Hall, former
head of USA Communist Party-He said racism is the worst pollutant
Einai2000:Let
them enjoy their sleep, Steve...
panta98:Yeah
... Nothing hopeful, nothing beautiful, nothing good, were blowing
their
way, was "evolving" in their direction. Slow, peaceful Evolution was
not
in their favour, brought them nothing.
CarlZim8:What did they do?
panta98:It's
the ideology of global postmodern, postindustrial capitalism.
plasticsmith:a
wake-up call is soon coming I think
panta98:Proceeding
....
panta98:On
January 5, 1960, the German newspaper, "Die Welt", informed the world
that:
CarlZim8:Agreed, Steve
panta98:Now,
the statistics get nasty: "Every third non-white child in South Africa
dies because of undernourishment before it is one year old. Many of the
remaining ones perish before they are four years old."
plasticsmith:population
control
panta98:The
average life expectancy of a 'black" was 37 to 42 years, for "whites",
it was 67 to 72 years; a difference of 30 years. At present, it is not
much different.
Einai2000:Well,
the experiment went well, yes, Steve
CarlZim8:Yep, Steve
panta98:Hunger,
poverty, misery, pass and labour laws, drove the blacks to protests, to
demonstrations, to violent rebellion against the State, to revolution.
plasticsmith:aids
will serve the same purpose
panta98:Brutal
capitalist reality, with Big Brother at the helm, caused me to change
my
mind, my peace of mind, to see other realities, to enter the liberation
struggle.
Einai2000:Proceed,
Franz...
panta98:What
happened in 1959 in South Africa?
panta98:Sick
and tired of peaceful, reformist, evolutionary solutions, which led
nowhere,
in 1959 a group of Blacks led by Robert Sobukwe, a language teacher at
the University of the Witwatersrand, broke away from the ANC and
founded
the Pan-Africanist Congress (PAC).
panta98:On
that day, while I was sitting in the train, going to work, the PAC
launched
a national protest campaign. Thousands of unarmed Africans invited
arrest
by presenting themselves at police stations without the hated passes.
panta98:At
Sharpeville, near Johannesburg, thousands of blacks protested against
the
pass laws. They began stoning police and their armoured cars. The
police
opened fire with submachine guns, causing were heavy casualties.
panta98:69
Blacks were killed and 186 were wounded, 48 women and children being
among
the victims, most of whom were shot in the back as they were running
away.
plasticsmith: guns
against stones ... sounds like today's news.
panta98:On
that day, elsewhere, in Cato Manor, Vereenigung and Langa, similar
brutal
events took place.
CarlZim8:Horrible, but what
did this accomplish?
panta98:Yes,
Steve, the everlasting brutal, heinous, cruel face of capitalism and
"socialism".
panta98:When
I approximated my workplace, I saw 30 000 black workers in a peaceful
protest
marching to the centre of the Cape Town. They wanted to speak to
Government
officials.
panta98:Knowing
their language, also out of curiosity, I accompanied them.
Inexperienced
in political affairs, I told Tom, Dick and Harry, where I lived, and
where
I was working. of course, infiltrated spies noted all the data
concerning
this queer "Coloured" Black.
CarlZim8:The Russians used
Kazakhstan as their atomic testing ground.
panta98:In
the centre of Cape Town, instead of the Minister, armed police came,
and
they were shooting around, trying to scare the crowd. Escaping whizzing
bullets, as never ever before, I ran for my dear life.
CarlZim8:Horrible, Franz.
panta98:Whooohhh!!
Any comments????
CarlZim8:What was accomplished?
plasticsmith:by
the way Franz...What colour are you?....me...I'm green
panta98:You
never accomplish anything, internally in the New World Order, Carl.
panta98:Orwell
explained it already long ago! One ends up like Winston, if one dare to
try to change anything radically.
CarlZim8:The Illuminati
reacted.
In the USA, the CIA created the Black Panther movement to destabilize
the
Civil Rights Movement.
panta98:I
don't love Big Brother, and I don't love to have anything to do with
him,
not even attack him, that would be a compliment.
panta98:Proceeding
....
panta98:Look
what happened. .. ... The "racist", fascist white government
re-established
control by violent force: itmobilized the army, outlawed the ANC and
the
PAC, and applying its emergencyregulations, it arrested more than
11,000
people.
CarlZim8:Franz, except in the
real world, Big Brother is divided-schizophrenic-torn by internal
conflict.
panta98:Later
more about that in the discussion period.
CarlZim8:So some change can
be made from within.
panta98:Proceeding
.... Carl, yes, but that's not the bottom line, not everything. It must
also come from within and without!
CarlZim8:Please proceed
panta98:These
events not only convinced me of the futility of "peaceful",
evolutionary
methods to end exploitation, domination and discrimination, it also led
to a change in the strategy of the South African liberation movements,
considering "sabotage" and other "violent" methods.
plasticsmith:exactly
Carl...I think there is a number of Big Brother wana bees!
CarlZim8:Yep, Steve
panta98:Arriving
at work, during the days that followed, I received a note that I was
immediately
discharged from work, because I was a "communist".
panta98:Poor
me, I did not even know what a "communist" was. I went to look up the
word
in an official dictionary, only to discover that the Minister of
Justice
decides who is a communist, and that such a creature plots against the
government and wants to destroy the State by violent means.
plasticsmith:you
are a banned person
panta98:As
you all know me, well, well, ... Well, well, I never had such sublime
objectives,
but on my labour card, there was an official stamp: Communist!
CarlZim8:Your counterparts
received the same treatment in Soviet Union and Eastern Europe
panta98:Nowhere
I could find any job; in fact, I was practically kicked out of all
offices,
where I went for an interview.
CarlZim8:Labor card=Same as
in Communist countries.
panta98:Yes,
as I said before, the true global face of "democracy" and "socialism".
plasticsmith:one
mans curse is another mans compliment
CarlZim8:One main reason why
Solidarity was formed in Poland
panta98:Yes,
Steve, one man's mad cow beef is another man's AIDS.
panta98:Then
in April 1960, I had no beef, but would get sick soon.
panta98:To
survive, I went to the lair of "criminals", to District Six, at the
foot
of Table Mountain. With my new won friends, the "lumpen-proletariat", I
was stealing fruits and other niceties.,
CarlZim8:Influenced by the
Russian Nationalist Orginization in West Germany-NTS-National Union of
Solidarist
panta98:I
was sleeping on newspapers in the corners of public places, was
gambling
under the street-lights. I became a real expert. I learned the hard way
what "evolution" meant.Now i was pre-conditioned for the next step: for
revolution.
CarlZim8:Loaded with KGB
infiltrators
panta98:My
uncle died, and my poor analphabetical aunt, sowing for the neighbours,
had to care for five small kids. I had nothing to eat, barely could
survive.
CarlZim8:Franz, same with your
counterparts in Soviet Union and Eastern Europe
panta98:Orwell
experience at its best, 40 years ago.
panta98:Of
course, this could not last for very long; I became very sick, and had
to see a medical doctor urgently. Some of my friends told me about a
very
kind doctor in Athlone, who cares for the wretched of the earth.
plasticsmith:every
person I know who has some character went without food at some point
panta98:I
went to see Dr. Kenneth Abrahams, he treated me, and immediately
noticed
what a grand find I was for the future revolution. I entered the new
phase
of my Orwellian experiences: from farm labourer, to industrial worker,
I now became "baby-sitter".
panta98:How
sweet, Iris! These days I do "birdie-sitting", those with two feet!
Einai2000:Oh
yes, Franz...
naranjahit:"baby-sitting"?
panta98:Yes,
Stella, and an excellent one for that matter. I really made the rounds
around the global labour force, including hose-wifery, tasting the
brunt
of all variations.
CarlZim8:Similar experience
as Ivan Ivasuk, medical doctor and pop music composer in Ukraine
Einai2000:"brunt"
- what does this mean, please?
panta98:This
I call experience, data, facts, statistics, which form the basis for
all
that I say theoretically on all our homepages, and in all our chats.
panta98:Proceeding
....
naranjahit:Stoß
Einai2000:thank
you, Stella.
panta98:I
saw many people meeting at his place, including Dr. Neville Alexander,
who just returned from his university studies at the Tuebingen
University
in Germany. He told us about his political experiences, in solidarity
with
the Algerian Revolution.
CarlZim8:Stolychnaya Vodka
after chat.
Einai2000:...Sow
the wind...reap the Storm...
panta98:Now
I move from the ultra-right to the giga-left: That's what I call
contradictory
experience.
panta98:I'm
beginning to learn, to think, to act.
plasticsmith:I
gota go ...someone is trying to fax me...I'll read the rest of this
most
interisting story later.
panta98:Proceeding.
..... After a while, I was invited to join the clandestine discussions
and to give a lecture on the French Revolution. Of course, it was the
worst
lecture that I ever gave in my life.
panta98:OK!
Steve.
panta98:Thanks
for accompanying us for a while.
plasticsmith:I'll
try to send this new stuff as well, bye all.
Einai2000:Ok,
Steve, greetings to Sonoko! Till next Tuesday! Take care.
naranjahit:Bye
Steve!
CarlZim8:Good luck, Steve.
Keep in touch. Regards to Sonoko.
plasticsmith has left the room.
panta98:Proceeding
.....
panta98:Eventually,
I discovered that I was one of the first ten members who founded the
first
"guerrilla movement" in South Africa: the "Yu Chi Chan Club", meaning
the
Club of Guerrilla Warfare", later called the National Liberation Front
of South Africa (NLF).
Einai2000:I
don't dig this one, Franz... "worst lecture"!
Einai2000:...I'm
sure you gave your best, as always!
panta98: Yes,
Iris, but imagine a Catholic nincompoop, with his metaphysics and
divine
methods, lecturing on such an event as the French Revolution, believing
still, believing in democracy and "human rights" like liberty, equality
and fraternity! The South African Marxist revolutionaries must have
enjoyed
the fun.
panta98:From
Jesus to Mao and Che! What a big step for mankind!!! I felt (a long
left
arm) strong!
naranjahit:No,
that's not possible "worst lecture".
CarlZim8:In Algeria, National
Liberation Front (FLN)
panta98:OK!
Iris & Stella, that's my typical modest under-statement, you know
me.
panta98:Yes,
that's where we learned from, what we copied, Carl.
CarlZim8:See the video Battle
for Algiers (Pontecorvo and Saadi)
panta98:I
will.
panta98:Proceeding
....
panta98:Thus,
in 1962, I finally said good-bye to evolution and religion, and I was
on
the path of revolutionary warfare.
panta98:During
all the chat, snce an hour, permanently, somebody tries to hack me.
panta98: It's
probably, AOL!
panta98:Proceeding
....
CarlZim8:Did ProtectX identify
the hacker?
panta98:
Jammer, yes, Carl. But he continues trying to find a port! We are under
global, globalized surveillance!! ... Proceeding ... Although
forbidden by law, secretly, we were studying the works of Che Guevara,
Mao Tse Tung, Marx, Engels, Lenin and Trotsky. At last, Marxism
explained
to me in what a horrible, capitalist world I was living.
panta98:I'll
check later. ProtectX doesn't react!
panta98:proceeding
.....
panta98:I
had no problem to understand the method and contents of socialism and
communism.
panta98:Finally,
Neville Alexander acquired a scholarship for me to continue my
university
studies at the University of Tuebingen. As revolutionary "ambassador"
for
the NLF, I left in September, 1962, to spread the word across the globe.
panta98:Now,
what did I not know between 1960 and 1962 with reference to Evolution
and
Revolution? And what did I learn thereafter? What do I know today?
CarlZim8:Franz, very
important-Did
the hacker scan or invade your PC?
panta98:Not
yet, Carl. That will happen soon, any moment from now, when ProtectX
will
allow him safely to enter, to tell him off!
Einai2000:Please,
just give me two minutes, be right back.
panta98:Is
scanning like mad. Probably with sophisticated tesla technology of NASA!
panta98:Proceeding
....
CarlZim8:Franz, if the hacker
invaded, you should act now. We'll wait.
panta98:FCarl,
he's still scanning. I'm waiting to identify the bu ... ... Firstly, as
far as we are concerned, the following is valid. That the labour
system,
in which we are born, affirms itself; in itself this is not a "crime"
or
a "sin". What else could we expect it to do? It is a reality, is its
reality.
CarlZim8:OK. Scanning is not
serious. ProtectX will stop invasion.
frogmobile has entered the room.
panta98:OK,
let's proceed ....
frogmobile:
Hi guys
CarlZim8:Hi, Khalid
naranjahit:hi
Khalid!
frogmobile:hello
Stella
panta98:Hi,
guy! Later we'll send you the first part.
frogmobile:hello
Carl
panta98:Proceeding.
....
frogmobile:Hi
Iris
frogmobile:Proceed
panta98:Now,
what did I not know between 1960 and 1962 with reference to Evolution
and
Revolution? And what did I learn thereafter? What do I know today?
panta98:Firstly,
as far as we are concerned, the following is valid. That the labour
system,
in which we are born, affirms itself; in itself this is not a "crime"
or
a "sin". What else could we expect it to do? It is a reality, is its
reality.
Einai2000:...ok,
back again...
CarlZim8:Proceed
panta98:That
it doesn't want to change, wants to evolve peacefully, only expects
face-lifting,also
that is its legitimate business.
Einai2000:...reading
back...
Einai2000:Hi
Khalid! ... Please proceed...
panta98:That
anyone is born into this labour system, also is not a misfortune; that
he/she has enjoyed a thorough education within the system, and
therefore
affirms the system, also this is quite in order.
frogmobile:Hi
Iris
panta98:To
remain forever within the limits of the status quo, knowing only its
reality,
and accepting its laws, rules and regulations, also this is not our
business.
panta98:There
exists no reason, no law, no will not to affirm this affirmative
condition
of existence.
CarlZim8:Sanctioned
education=mind
control
panta98:Yes,
Carl. According to formal logics, a educated man is an educated man, a
reality.
Einai2000:Khalid,
Franz was commenting about his life experiences between 1960-1962, the
transition from affirming (religion etc) to negating (revolution) the
system
panta98:If
someone loves rest, peace, democracy, the human being, human rights,
education,
death, well, that is fine with us. That's not a problem, is not our
problem.
panta98:The
above explains a specific philosophic state of mind, a certain level of
consciousness, experience and reality. Billions cannot surpass this
barrier
of consciousness. For this they cannot be damned, "condemned" or
ostracized.
panta98:Whether
one is or believes to be a fascist, white, superior, a Roman Catholic,
a Jew, a Zulu, an American, a communist, a democrat, a republican, an
Illuminati,
a saint, a prostitute, a louse, also all these are of cosmic-ontic
irrelevance
and insignificance.
panta98: These are
not the reasons why we criticize the labour system, capitalism or the
New
World
Order.
panta98: As the
very Labour System itself has explained, reported by its loyal
secretary,
Hegel,to affirm
itself forever, it creates its own opposite,
Non-A, its Negation.
panta98: This is
absolutely necessary for its evolution, progress and "liberty".
panta98:
Historically,
it was capitalism, the very bourgeoisie, which had created
"rivoluzione",
"rivoltura".
That its revolutionary partner, the
"proletariat",
had continued this revolutionary tradition, this does not
affect the essence and origin of "revolution".
CarlZim8: Marx confirmed this in the Manifesto
panta98: True, Carl.
panta98: Proceeding
....
panta98: Both
evolution
and revolution conserve, preserve the existence of the labour status
quo,
of
global alienation. A reactionary is just as
revolutionary
as a revolutionary is reactionary; they form two
sides of the same labour coin, its Affirmation
and its Negation respectively.
panta98: In this
sense, without hurting any religious, revolutionary or democratic
feelings
whatsoever, in
the confirmation of the labour world order, there
is no difference between ...
panta98: ... the
Pope and Nelson Mandela, between Stalin and Roosevelt, between Hitler
and
Lady Di,
between the White House and the Kremlin, between
the Mother of Calcutta and Ibn Laden.
panta98: Any
comments,
guys, before I continue ....
CarlZim8: Ibn Laden represents a Saudi Illuminati
family
Einai2000: Agreed, Franz, please proceed.
naranjahit: PLease sent me the chat, I have to
sign off. It was very intresting!
panta98: Carl, all
whom I metioned above are capitalist Illuminati -- from Lady Di to Ibn
Laden, from the
Pope to Roosevelt, ....
frogmobile: Okay Stella, have a nice rest
CarlZim8: Agreed, Franz
Einai2000: Ok, Stella, sleep well and take care!
panta98: An
Illuminati
affirms Labour -- that's an Illuminati per definitionem, per se.
naranjahit: ok , bye! take cara too!
CarlZim8: Stella, Gute Nacht!
panta98: Gute Nacht,
Stella!
naranjahit: Gute Nacht Carl! - Franz!
panta98: Proceeding
....
naranjahit has left the room.
panta98: Hence, it
is senseless, useless, to counterpoise Evolution and Revolution, both
are
chips of the
very same millennia-old block.
panta98: ... thesame
illuminati old block.
CarlZim8: Franz, what is our problem? I think
it's enslavement and depopulation of most of humanity
panta98: All are
i's, m's, n's, l's.
panta98:
Millennia-illuminati.
panta98: Proceeding,
Khalid. ....
panta98: However,
who has consciously and sincerely affirmed the system, and thereby has
produced its
logical opposite, its negation, jumps to another
level of consciousness, knowing at the same time how to
affirm AND how to negate the system, that is,
"enriched" in knowledge, dialectically jumps to AFFIRM it
on a much higher level.
frogmobile: Guys I am sorry I have to go. I have
some work to do for tomorrow
panta98: I know
you have to go for an interview.
frogmobile: yes
panta98: Thanks
for the short visit, you are just an excellent guy!
CarlZim8: Good luck, Khalid
frogmobile: and I am hungry
frogmobile: thanks carl
panta98: Good Luck,
Guy!
Einai2000: Good luck, Khalid!
panta98: Proceeding
....
frogmobile: bye, bye all/
frogmobile has left the room.
panta98: In this
spirit, it would be very stupid not to learn about the system from its
very "adversaries".
In brief: to know your Marx, Lenin, Trotsky,
Tito, Mao, Ho Chi Minh, Che or Castro, Fanon, etc.
Einai2000: please, Franz, proceed...
panta98: In this
exercise one learns that more than one view could be "true", can be
valid.in
fact, even
that both could be "true". This is decisive,
because when both Evolution and Revolution form reality, are
two sides of reality, then, why should our logics
stop at this point?
panta98: If one
thing could be true, if two could also be true, if one and two could be
true, using simple
algebraic addition, which even a monkey could
perform, then why could three also not be true, etc.?
panta98: Strange,
"education" was so effective, that billions could barely count till
one,
a few reach two,
and an infinitesimal few could just about count
till three. In other words the global average degree of
thinking, of consciousness, has not even reached
trimensionality.
panta98: In other words, to count till three,
presupposes that one can count till: Neither Evolution Nor
Revolution, but Emancipation.
panta98: It took
me half-a-century, over 50 years, to be able to count until
Emancipation,
in fact, even till
much more, but I won't wreck your brains with
that for now, for the time being.
panta98: For this
very reason, I can't buy the cheap merchandise on the labour market
when
someone
wants to convince me what an excellent liberator
or emancipator, he or she believes to be.
panta98: Anyhow,
enough is enough, for strained brains, let's chat now within the
context
of the
aforesaid.
panta98: I relax,
night-dream now, I'm listening ....
CarlZim8: Franz, what did Castro accomplish in
Angola?
Einai2000: Wow, Franz, first of all, thank you
for this multifaccetic introduction, our method included
and applied once more.
panta98: Carl,
nothing,
as much asChe in Bolivia, and Ho Chi Minh in Vietnam. Nothing means
Capitalism, means death!
CarlZim8: D'accord, Iris
panta98: That's
what I did, Iris -- applying it to my very own life experiences, as an
example and a lesson
to all of us.
CarlZim8: Agreed, Franz. Theydidn't pursue
emancipation,
but fought old, personal grudges
panta98: Also, to
tell the world whom we are, not arm-chair lunatic philosophers.
panta98: who ...
panta98: Yes, the
continuation of divide et impera in nero style.
Einai2000: ...to tell the world who we are,
that's
nice...
panta98: In fact,
even that is not even necessary.
panta98: What will
the world understand about us?
panta98: When shall
they ever learn?
CarlZim8: Many will learn about our ideas
CarlZim8: We are spreading the word on the Net
panta98: Actually,
it's sufficient that we know the above, that we know ourselves.
Einai2000: I don't know, Franz - I guess "the
world" will only see what they are able to see - themselves,
their own acts and thoughts.
CarlZim8: If we change within ourselves, we can
influence change outside
panta98: Well, Iris,
the world will still rotate for a while. To undewrstand Plato took
millennia.
perhaps, if
we would be lucky, around the year 666 666 666
666 somebody might study us.
CarlZim8: In a time capsule
panta98: Yes, might
even communicate with us.
panta98: iris, any
comment.
Einai2000: Well, but that's even not the point
if anybody will study us or not, in the first place they
should study and know themselves, by and for
themselves...
panta98: Yeah, yep!
Einai2000: The problem is - and in fact I think
this was one of the reasons why your book "Africa
towards Revolution" has been banned -
CarlZim8: The right idea can stop the world from
rotating-See a video of the 1930's HG Welles movie
The man who could work miracles.
panta98:Now Protect X is warning! "Big Brother" and his Agents in Full Action!! A hacker is trying to enter one of the ports of my computer. The sirens are sounding! Everything flickers. Jammer, ProtectX and Tauscan go into action. I'll have to switch off, to avoid any damage or Trojan Horses!!!!
CarlZim8 has left the room.
Einai2000: that you explained the role of the
negation - within the system, that is, also the role of the
ANC..
Einai2000: ja caramba... was ist denn heute los
hier...
Einai2000: Franz?
panta98 has left the room.
CarlZim8 has entered the room.
Einai2000: Carl, what happened?
Einai2000: Franz, too, has been beamed off..
I reinvited him
CarlZim8: Got disconnected. Thanks.
CarlZim8: These chats are unbstable. A router
on a server goes down
Einai2000: Franz said that ProtectX sirened,
then got disconnected.
Einai2000: Yes, Carl. Let's see if Franz will
get back to us...
Einai2000: He's still listed online in AOL.
Einai2000: ...panta98 offline now...
CarlZim8: No hacker on my PC. Two separate
incidents
may be unrelated
panta98 has entered the room.
Einai2000: Ah! Welcome back, Franz! What happened?
panta98: I had a
tremendously dangerous hacker attack!
CarlZim8: Hi, Franz. Who was the hacker?
panta98: Protect
X flickered up ten times, the whole system shuddered, i had to switch
off
immediately.
panta98: I'll check just now what happened.
panta98: Anyhow, across the whole chat until,
it was tryig to hack. Eventually, it got a port, and ProtectX gave it
free,
to send a warning message, and to trace the hacker, across satellite,
country
and identity.
panta98: I'll check the report just now.
CarlZim8: My NetInfo identifies them at the
scanning
stage, and I complain to their ISP. I don't wait for
ProtectX/
CarlZim8: Franz: Get NetInfo at www.download.com
Einai2000: Ok, Franz, I was commenting about
the neagtion within the system, and the problems one
will be aware off when trying to "convince"
somebody,
who insists on remaining on this stage...
panta98: Carl, because I had to switch off the
system rapidly, I can't find the report, where do I get the
log file, or did I lose it, when I switched off.
Einai2000: ...that is, if ones tasks of life
are directed towards others mainly (conscientize masse4s or
individuals), and if you now argue that this
"doesn't make sense"...
CarlZim8: You lost it. Hereafter. write down
the hacker's IP address. Later NetInfo will identify the
hacker.
CarlZim8: Iris, I think we're mostly interested
in finding allies and learning and growing with them
Einai2000: ...if you explain
cientifical-philosophically
the reasons, you will negate, take away someones
reason, or "content" of life, everything the
person stands for and struggled for during life. For the same
reason, you cannot explain to somebody who
believes
in God that all his believes are extrapolations etc....
CarlZim8: Iris, I don't think we are trying to
do that
Einai2000: Still here, Franz? Booted out once
more? No, of course we don't, Carl.
panta98: This is the criminal:
Type of attack: Possible TCP
port scanningTime: The time is Tue Oct 17
19:23:00 2000 [Local GMT
bias -4:00]Source IP: 64.50.44.110 (40322C6E.ptr.dia.nextlink.net)Ports:
10101->111.
Einai2000: We stated that we don't have any problems
whatsoever with any possible "cosmovision" and
world outlook, we accept and understand the
views..
panta98: Anybody
still around?
Einai2000: ...and we are not interested in
"convincing"
others, anyhow, this is just impossible.
CarlZim8: I'll check the hacker's identity on
NetInfo after chat and send it to you
panta98: OK! I'll just report him, Carl.
Einai2000: Sure, Franz...
panta98: OK! Iris, proceed ....
Einai2000: ...Sorry, got a little confused with
those hacker affairs...
panta98: But, imagine, being under permanent
hack invasion, while we chat!!!
panta98: Me too.
CarlZim8: I can't report him (illegal) him,
Franz,
because he didn't invade my PC.
Einai2000: Terrible, Franz, I suggest that we
invite the hacker, and tell him that officially he could read our
discussions
on our homepages, caramba...
Einai2000: no need for hacking.
panta98: Here's
the link, Iris, continue ... We stated that we don't have any problems
whatsoever with
any possible "cosmovision" and world outlook,
we accept and understand the views..
Einai2000: Ya, Franz, read my comments...maybe
you would read back first?
Einai2000: scroll back...
Einai2000: ...waiting
CarlZim8: Iris, However, at some point, we need
to take strong positions-Enslavement and depopulation
are serious issues
CarlZim8: Franz, you report him to his ISP,
panta98: Yes, Carl, I will.
Einai2000: Truly so, Carl - but they are for
us in the first place - others might have differing views.
panta98: Which strong positions, Carl?
CarlZim8: They may have differing views, but
we need to ask them How do they propose to stop
enslavement and deopulation
CarlZim8: Strong positions, e.g., focus on
creativity--writing,
composing, drawing, painting
Einai2000: Us.
CarlZim8: Us to start with, then in interaction
with others
Einai2000: our others...
panta98: Iris, I
thought some critical people.
Einai2000: critical? in which sense, Franz?
panta98: Other
critical
people, Iris!
CarlZim8: The hornets
panta98: In the
sense of the critique of the critical critique!
panta98: The
hornets,
Iris!
Einai2000: And if in the sense of the Critique
of the critique etc... where would we end up?
CarlZim8: They visit our forums, ask interesting
questions
Einai2000: Is there maybe othere than everlasting
critique?
panta98: Forever
criticizing, Iris!
Einai2000: ..ending up like Hegels world sppirit,
npo thanks
panta98: We won't
end, end up.
CarlZim8: There's everlasting, evolving creativity
Einai2000: ok, fine.
panta98: Well, as
alternative, what would you suggest?
CarlZim8: No State religion.
panta98: What could
the hornets do, Carl? Concretely?
panta98: Perhaps,
instead, Science and Philosophy, Carl?
CarlZim8: They could find and link to other
hornets-form
a web
panta98: Hornets
of The Web Unite! is that is, Carl?
panta98: Is that
it, Carl?
CarlZim8: We have a world to emancipate
panta98: Iris, what
do you say now?
Einai2000: We first of all have to emancipate
ourselves - at least this is my very personal case.
panta98: And what
if Big Brother hacks the Hornets, the Web, like it did today, Carl?
CarlZim8: Agreed, Iris
Einai2000: And Carl, I agree: we have to
emanipate
the world - and the world is us.
CarlZim8: Franz, we fight the hackers,
SLOWLY FACING, FADING OUT
panta98: Well, each
one for her/himself, and Who for Us All?
Einai2000: We should try to emancipate the
hackers
I suggest...
panta98: Well, you
foRbid me to talk to them!
Einai2000: I didn't, Franz. Send them an invite...
panta98: I wanted
to send them to revelations Forum, so that they can see the essence of
our
computers. That it is a waste of time hacking,
in our computers are nothing else.
CarlZim8: Franz, there may be legal problems.
If you can find a hacker who will not object to being
identified
panta98: Everything
is public, there are no secrets anymore, all information is available
on
the
WEB.
CarlZim8: I think hackers want to do mind
control,
not emancipate
panta98: So,
information
is OPEN, but hackers remain SECRET!
CarlZim8: Secrecxy isn't the iussue. They could
infect our computers with Trojan viruses
panta98: Well, I'm
interested in open information about secret hackers.
CarlZim8: Very
destructive
panta98: I am
beginning
to learn that the Web is extremely dangerous.
panta98: What I
have seen today, last I experienced in South Africa.
CarlZim8: Hackers are fascists-ask Bill Lyne
panta98: That old
feeling came back, I know it too well.
CarlZim8: Yep, Franz
panta98: I don't
like at all what happened.
Einai2000: Yes, as you told us - innocently you
stepped into a manifestation, and look at the results...
panta98: Everytime,
I flick on my computer, there is a hacker within minutes.
panta98: why should
someone try to hack me here in the venezuelan jungle?
CarlZim8: As Paul Robeson said We must keep
fightin'
until we're dyin'
Einai2000: I don't know, Franz. Probably bored
this guy...
panta98: I'm
beginning
to suspect that that what I have predicted a few years ago, is
happening.
CarlZim8: Sadistic or mischievous
panta98: Big Brother
exactly knows who is still a type of Winston, the "last of his race".
CarlZim8: Spoiled brat or abused-Two sides of
same coin
Einai2000: Yes, Carl, in this sense I agree with
Trotsky's "hope": Dum spiro spero...
panta98: It seems
to me that Big Brother is not convinced that there are hundreds,
thousands
of
"hornets" on the net.
panta98: He knows
which one is the most dangerous -- excatly because he tells Big Brother
in
German: l.m.a.A.
Einai2000: :-) Franz...
CarlZim8: He will be overwhelmed by his internal
divisions and the hornets
Einai2000: The problem is, that Big Brother is
"abstract"... or to put it in other terms...
CarlZim8: Folks. I gotta leave now. Great chat.
Regards to Jutta.
panta98: OK! Folks.
I have to go to a meeting early tomorrow morning!
Einai2000: ok, it was a great pleasure!
panta98: Iris,
please
send me the whole chat. The hacker made me lose one part.
CarlZim8: Till next week. Un placer,. Bye!
Einai2000: I'll do so right now, Franz.
CarlZim8 has left the room.
Einai2000: Carl, till next tuesday!
panta98: Jammer
is winking again. Oh, no .... Good Night!!!!
Einai2000: ach shit...
Einai2000: ok, Franz, ich save und schicke ab...
Einai2000: moment please
panta98: Carl, get
the address of this guy, it's the same one again!
panta98: OK!
Greetings
to Fran, from Jutta and me.
Panta98, Einai2000 and CarlZim8 have left the chat room.