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    Message 565 of 624  
   
   From:  "brian buckman" 
   Date:  Fri Sep 21, 2001  5:36 pm
   Subject:  RE:how to unsubscribe and influence people
Because the evidence does seem pretty solid
that Mr. Buckman is not really the list owner, as much as he likes
to pretend he is. Observe the fact that he is unable to change group
settings, that he doesn't know who the current moderators are, and
that when he tries to "ban" somebody, that somebody is still posting
here days later.


--Your deduction skills are prodigious Joe.

Yes, in fact we are having difficulties effecting the membership status of
some people.  I was asked by the Burning Man organization people about 5
months ago to be the regional contact for Chicago (as some of you who were
on the list at that time might remember me making very clear when I started
helping).  Part of the responsibility of being the regional contact is
making sure the public discussion pages run smoothly and are not being
abused.  Over the past week we have had several problems with a few people
(two of which - the most incindiary  - are not even burners  by anyone's
account... Joe/John was a virgin this year and my hopes are that he
continues to return in the future and continues to add to the community).

Myself, Molly (who has since unsubscribed), Andie, Maid Marian, and in fact
no one on the regionals discussion list can find the person who has the
moderator info so we can remove Mark Hendricks, Paul Lewis, and Joe Dunphy.
However, we have our own branch of the FBI out sniffing for our friend and
it seems Sgt. Papa Wu may have some substantial leads.  In the meantime I
have made a formal complaint to the people at Yahoo!Groups and they are
investigating.

So yes indeed my hands are presently tied.  Yes, I will remove these people
once I have the ability.  Yes, you can abuse this in several ways to your
own egos enhancement or you can be cool and try and keep the community
growing in the positive direction it is.  As always, the choice is yours.

I spoke to Andie last night and we decided that if things get too weird on
this list we'll just migrate to one we have control over.  I don't want to
do that because I'm afraid we'll lose just as many people  in that move as
we would by letting the abuse continue.  However, I will make that step if
totally necessary.  In the mean time I would encourage anyone interested in
keeping this discussion list moving forward to simply put a filter on your
email clients that will automaticaly delete any messages from Paul Lewis or
Mark Hendricks.  Do what you want about Joe/John, he's been some help to the
community and has also been somewhat of a hindrance by turning most
interactions (present example in case) into rhetorical battles and vast
conspiracies that are really quite unimpressive in their scope of
insignifigance to anyone outside of Joe/John.  So utilize your filter
commands and keep the positive goo mooing.

What beauty is rustling in the kneecaps of this city after tuesday night can
not be stopped by a few lambs.

More soup.

Brian