Sub Space (Wed July 12)

? melanie_as_light says, "I would like to welcome you all to the BDSM Castle.*smiles*..it is a pleasure to see all the new faces..and if you feel nervous, scared that you dont know anyone..dont worry..i dont know some of you either..*smiles*..but this is a club which has weekly meetings every wed at 10 pm EST..and since you are all here..then you already know that..*giggles*..but please know this is an open club to all"
? melanie_as_light says, "We do have the Birthday Board on the Calender if anyone would ever put their BD's on..as well as the message board is open to anyone..ok..and yaddi ya ya ya..any questions feel free to ask..but tonights meeting..SUB SPACE"
? melanie_as_light says, "Sub space can be defined as the state..in which the endorphin levels within the brain raise so much to the point..where one can loses track of where they are..who they are..what they are..but can get loaded with one hell of an orgasmic..almost trascendentablig spiritual experience..*giggles softly to JP..shaking head*..but...there are a lot of dangers as well as Heathy and Unheatly aspects to it..so i throw the topic out SUBSPACe to hte floor"
morgaine_la_sorciere this one sits and listens........
Maitre_Remi says, ". o O ( who's tickling melanie while she's typing )"
just_lil_dove ------ is still trying to figure out what is unhealthy about it
jpbear63 says, "Hmmmmm..."
Garrs_lil_joy says, "dove un healthy subspace i think is where control for both partners is somhow lost "
Maitre_Remi says, "if a sub can't verbally respond ... "
castle_kitten says, "or move"
Garrs_lil_joy says, "getting swept up in the moment(s) is great but saftey issues arise"
Maitre_Remi says, "due to being in "la la land""
jpbear63 says, "Control for the sub is gone, but the danger lies in the hands of the Dome"
jpbear63 says, ""Dom""
? melanie_as_light says, "well dove..what can make it unheathly is actually on the Doms part as well as the submissive...the submissive can get up to the point..where they tense up completely and hurt themselve s as well..i mean think of when in a bondage..they can get to the point..where almost haveing super human strength and pull against the ropes causing one hell of a rope burn..as well as if it is an newbie dom..and the ropes slip..can have some danger..that is one example"
just_lil_dove says, "okay i just assumed that the sub was with a Dom/me who was in control and knew what to look for"
just_lil_dove says, "sorry"
jpbear63 says, "If they've not been playing too long, or the Dom/me isn't paying atteniotn"
castle_kitten says, "non, was a good question, dove"
Maitre_Remi says, "<--- looks for his pen ...."
castle_kitten says, "hands her Maitre a pen"
? melanie_as_light says, "The dom on the other hand..can not be able to see that warning signs of a sub..for almost in a sense..the subbie can becommin uncomunative...i mean..i have heard "sub space" being compared to the feeling of taking PCP, sweet gas..any type of drugs...or what not..and that is just the bondage aspect of subspace..what about the PAIN aspect..for subspace can be attained by the intensity of pain "
Garrs_lil_joy says, "giggles thats the 1 i gave mel "
Maitre_Remi says, "finders keepers joy"
? melanie_as_light giggles..hey joy you are the official list keeper you know that
Garrs_lil_joy says, "gulps ........ will shut up now what list????"
Maitre_Remi says, "ok ... I'll give joy the pen back so she may keep the list"
jpbear63 says, "If the scene is particularly intense, like breath play..then the dangers are great."
jpbear63 says, "Or even fire and ice."
just_lil_dove --- gets totally spaced out have even passed out but Casey knows what to look for and keeps checking as well as my former Dom so i never even worried about it
? melanie_as_light says, "well i have a question..is their a difference between "subspace" of pain..and subspace of pleasure...meaning both can be attained..but is the end result the same?"
Garrs_lil_joy says, "you got lucky twice luv"
jpbear63 says, "No, there is no diff. It's what going on around the sub that could present a problem"
just_lil_dove says, "smiles i guess so joy"
Garrs_lil_joy says, "endorphine dont know the difference adreniline is a funnty thing"
jpbear63 says, "Subspace is the target...and that's a great place for my sub tro be in..."
? melanie_as_light says, "your right JP Sir.and joy.....just find it interesting how one can get the same feelings from the intensity of a stinging crop against their body..and the same rush from bondage..and teasing in that sence.."
jpbear63 says, "No, the physiology is the same."
? melanie_as_light says, "there is a danger though in crossing the line of subspace....for..when in subspace..more and more stimulations can be applied..and there is a higher tolerance of the body to feel things..that is where the danger comes in..when the Dom/mes crosses that line"
? melanie_as_light says, "no problem shy..ok..time to throw a question to the floor..was saving this one..because i thought it was a controversial one..but going to throw it out.."
Garrs_lil_joy says, "i think it is hard to control when one is literally out of control it just become instinct the body barely remembers to breathe let alone function in anyother copacity"
just_lil_dove says, "i guess joy was right in that i got lucky twice because i can take more pain or pleasure for that matter the "higher" i get so i do totally rely on Casey to know when i have had enough"
jpbear63 says, "The body responds just like a trance."
? melanie_as_light says, "Ok..we all know about subspace right..my question is umm "domspace"....that point..at which the sub goes into it..come on..have to admit it is one hell of a site..for the Dominant who brings her their..my question is..for when the sub goes into that..do dom/mes also go into a sort of internal domspace..in response to the subspace..they broughtir girl to?"
Jarl_Elerikk has been invited to join this room. jpbear63 says, "Oh yes, there's most certainly a 'Domspace'."
Garrs_lil_joy says, "the well sought after Dom/me mode "
master_of_the_tigers says, "agrees w/ jp"
Maitre_Remi listens intently.
jpbear63 says, "In either case, "too much is too much".."
jpbear63 says, "How high is too high? how low is too low?"
jpbear63 says, "This mostly about control.."
master_of_the_tigers says, "yes, one must bve very careful"
master_of_the_tigers says, "be even"
jpbear63 says, "yes..it's also about sensations, mental, emotional, and phsy."
jpbear63 says, "..but."
? melanie_as_light says, "but if the Dominant goes into this "domspace" isnt that one of the most dangerous times..for now only can the sub control herself..or knows what is going on..the dominant cant either...and this also brings a question about..the philosophy of tantra as well..o0(ok..wont get into tantra..but that untion of having both going over the edge)"
jpbear63 says, "it's all aobut control"
jpbear63 says, "If you go into Domspace, that may sound like a good place to be,"
jpbear63 says, "but."
? melanie_as_light listens
jpbear63 says, "you both have to get out of the scene alive..."
jpbear63 says, "As a Dom, I try to make certain that I never go over the cliff's esge..."
Maitre_Remi scratches that bungie jumping flogging scene I had planned.
castle_kitten says, "how would a sub know if the Dom was in Domspace? "
? crimson_kitten_MotT says, "omg"
jpbear63 says, "egde.."
just_lil_dove says, "lol"
? shy_heart_MSH griggles
? crimson_kitten_MotT says, "um, sorry."
? shy_heart_MSH erases the r
castle_kitten says, "shivers and says whewwwwwwwwwww"
jpbear63 says, "Someone must stay grounded.."
? shy_heart_MSH says, "if the sub is truly in subspace she won't is up to the Dom to keep aware of the scene at that point" master_of_the_tigers says, "ofcoarse, one must always maitain his/her own control, or risk way to much, the one that trusts you"
jpbear63 says, "The Dom and sub BOTH slipping into their 'spaces'?"
? melanie_as_light says, "awww Maitre Remi..you and your ideas..*giggles*....but good question....kitten..how does one know...about the Dom...going into subspace..because by that time..the girl may have went totally out there"
Garrs_lil_joy says, "Garr says his sub spaces comes after im back on the ground "
Garrs_lil_joy says, "his Dom space that is doh "
Garrs_lil_joy says, "im getin a smaack fer dat one"
jpbear63 says, "Talk before scening. Then more talk. Test each other's safe workds."
? shy_heart_MSH smiles to Sir Gar...hands joy a cushion
? shy_heart_MSH says, ".."
? melanie_as_light says, "talking is important JP Sir..however..talking...does not always protect from feelings..and how emotions and sensations can go over the edge...until at that one particular moment..."
Garrs_lil_joy says, "smiles "
jpbear63 says, "One should try to protect their heart, yet..."
? melanie_as_light ...
jpbear63 says, "the analogy of the baby crib should suffice."
? melanie_as_light .o0(ok..didnt frreeze)..
shy_heart_MSH . o O ( hates lag )
just_lil_dove says, "i'm not sure i understand what you mean by protect ones heart"
Garrs_lil_joy says, "baby crib????"
jpbear63 says, "Babies must use a crib with guards.."
? melanie_as_light says, "i am confused myself JP Sir..on what you meant by that?"
jpbear63 says, "so that the kid doesn't fallout."
jpbear63 says, "As you learn and grow to adulthood"
master_of_the_tigers says, "no matter how "good" it may be a good Dom/me should still maintain his/hjjer composure"
? melanie_as_light .o0(so subbies use safewords as protection of falling over the edge???)
jpbear63 says, "you can sleep in a normal bed."
jpbear63 says, "No."
? melanie_as_light says, "<--is slightly confused..."
just_lil_dove ---- likes going over the edge
? shy_heart_MSH listens
jpbear63 says, "Learn about the person you're with before you scene."
? shy_heart_MSH knew that already dove darlin
just_lil_dove says, "grinz"
castle_kitten says, "agrees with JP Sir"
jpbear63 says, "Take your time, and don't rush."
Maitre_Remi says, "I would hope that Y/you would do that JP."
? melanie_as_light says, "thats right...one should always know who they are involved in..what they are going to do....never should just scene on the first meeting"
? shy_heart_MSH says, "agrees with that "
jpbear63 says, "...so what if you play next month istead of next week...?"
Maitre_Remi says, "just a hug and a kiss on the cheek"
Garrs_lil_joy says, "has seen very experienced Dom/mes try to push it just 1 step futher with bad results no matter what the trust is the level of composure comes first and formost hence safe sane and consentual and if a girl is in sub space the consentual part is indeed in question "
jarl_elerikk enters
Your buddy jarl_elerikk is in chat
? melanie_as_light says, "good point joy...although prior to the subspace the sub did consent to it...once that moment is reached is it consentual?"
jpbear63 says, "No, it's not 'in question'; she's out of it. She can't make ..."
? melanie_as_light says, "greetings Jarl Elrikk..*smiles softly*..welcome.."
? shy_heart_MSH says, "greetings Jarl Elerikk"
Maitre_Remi says, "welcome Elerikk"
jpbear63 says, "decsions for her safety. I've seen it happen to a friend with"
jarl_elerikk says, "Thank you little one"
jpbear63 says, "..a 'new Dom' she was with.."
Garrs_lil_joy says, "greetings jarl_elerikk from B/both of U/us"
? melanie_as_light says, "so that is where the absolute trust comes in...that moment when the sub is "out of it"..the Dom has all the power...but if he is out of it as well..that is one unhealty situation"
jpbear63 says, "The Dom should stop and let her experience her subspace..."

castle_kitten says, "nods at mel's comment"
jarl_elerikk says, "thank you browneyes"
Garrs_lil_joy says, "AMEN"
? shy_heart_MSH smiles to Jarl Elerikk
jpbear63 says, "...helping her through it...He shouldn't push it anymore..and..."
jarl_elerikk says, "subspace?"
jarl_elerikk says, "explaine this to me"
? shy_heart_MSH smiles to joy and Sir Garr
castle_kitten says, "but as MotT said, a good Dom/Domme will keep control"
jpbear63 says, "...and she wouldn't know the diff anyway..she's in her endorphin paradise."
Garrs_lil_joy says, "the morning after shed know"
castle_kitten says, "giggles"
Garrs_lil_joy says, "oh boy is she gonna know "
? melanie_as_light says, "Jarl elerikk..subspace is that moment where endorphins rush to the brain so fast..that it leaves the sub in a state almost like a transe or a drug experience..where they dont know where they are..and leads to one hell of an orgasm..almost like flying"
jpbear63 says, "Yes, but she'd be without bruises."
Your buddy jarl_elerikk has gone off pager jpbear63 says, "Flying is perfect."
jpbear63 says, "You can't go too high. And of course you have the land"
jarl_elerikk says, "does this happen frequently?"
jpbear63 says, "'have to land."
Garrs_lil_joy says, "flying is okay its the mode of laNDING"
? melanie_as_light says, "but when landing if pushed to much..it can be one CRASHING damaging phase.."
jpbear63 says, "..easy touchdown.."
Garrs_lil_joy says, "thanks the gods i was blessed with a Master like the one ive got "
jpbear63 says, "A good Dom can land...Any idiot can reve the engines and push it"
? melanie_as_light says, "in real life scenes..if i am not mistaken Jarl Elerikk..if the situation is under control and well laid out..i do believe that this is a common trend..but very dagnerous...."
jpbear63 says, "..past safe altitude.."
just_lil_dove says, "me too joy"
master_of_the_tigers says, "not so easy if the dom has lost the control of him/herself in the moment, right?"
castle_kitten says, "<...got lost, what is flying?"
Your buddy master_greggor has gone off pager jpbear63 says, "orgasm"
jpbear63 says, "subspace"
castle_kitten says, "same as subspace?"
just_lil_dove says, "i know that Casey holds me and talks
quietly to me til i come back to earth" ? shy_heart_MSH says, "was a description of subspace"
jpbear63 says, "yes."
jpbear63 says, "Good for Casey"
jarl_elerikk says, "how is it accopmlished"
castle_kitten says, "thank you two"
just_lil_dove says, "subspace is way more than an orgasm"
Garrs_lil_joy says, "smiles knew you got a good one too sis "
? melanie_as_light says, "chaton..flying..extreme orgasm...subspace..they are all the same..but subspaece is more then an expansion of an orgamn..it is not just a release..it is a release so grand..that you lose yourself completely"
jpbear63 says, "Be aware of the physiological signs..."
? shy_heart_MSH smiles to dove and joy
jpbear63 says, "it's a trance, mel"
jarl_elerikk says, "nods"
castle_kitten says, "thank you mel"
just_lil_dove says, "smiles back"
Garrs_lil_joy says, "its metaphysical not only does the body find relase but so does the soul"
Garrs_lil_joy says, "huggs shy just cuz"
? shy_heart_MSH looks at the metaphysical comment and knows the cuz...giggles
? melanie_as_light says, "I have a question though..after the "subspace"..sometimes i have heard where the sub almost has "super human" strength..and they become so powerful they can even hurt the dom..i heard this on a few occasions..i am wondering..is that because the subspace was not brought out fully..and there is left over tension within....because am i wrong..subspace after it is over leads to almost a phase of extreem exahuastion correct?"
Garrs_lil_joy says, "particulair to the person "
Maitre_Remi says, "that sounds like multi-orgasmic reaction mel"
? melanie_as_light .o0(did that question make sense?)
? melanie_as_light says, "well that is what subspace can be as well Maitre Remi.."
shy_heart_MSH . o O ( made sense cause we know you Mel )
Garrs_lil_joy says, "there are things unknown to us hidden in the subconcious that when released and brought back in can be dangerous"
? melanie_as_light says, "*giggles* ..thanks shy"
castle_kitten says, "wouldn't the "super human" strenght be a result of the endorphines?"
jpbear63 says, "Adrenaline."
castle_kitten says, "strength even"
Maitre_Remi smiles at chaton
castle_kitten says, "grinz"
Garrs_lil_joy says, "in the extreme cases it may be the sub fighting past deamons of a bad subspace "
jpbear63 says, "What deamons?"
just_lil_dove says, "yes light at least for me it is extremely exhausting and (this might just be me) i haven't hurt Casey or anyone else but i have had such intense orgasms i have passed out"
? melanie_as_light says, "good point joy..can sub space unlock hidden fears, inhibitions ect into the scene..i mean..a wonderful scene can go on...and then popping out comes a portion of her life that she pressed into the subcounscious"
jarl_elerikk says, "brb"
just_lil_dove says, "and it is not just multiple orgasms i do that all the time"
? shy_heart_MSH says, "agrees with dove multiple orgasms and subspace are not the same"
Garrs_lil_joy says, "its so all encompassing we all know a damn good orgasm relieves a whole shit load of stress but the feeling stirred within sometimes are best not stirred too much "
master_of_the_tigers says, "yes, it can bring back some past mishapshe/she have repressed"
? melanie_as_light says, "know what it was like to feel like passing out..on more then one occasion i myself had as well...but..i just wonder about the "strength" aspect..knew this one dome..that had his girl tied to the bed..and not oly did she break the posts completely..she had so much strength..she hurt him as well..he had to restrain her completely"
jpbear63 says, "Is this heresay?"
? melanie_as_light says, "and dove.your right..but it can be as well..."
? shy_heart_MSH says, "go along with but not defined as suit you better Mel?"
? melanie_as_light says, "the passing out..no..isnt hearsay....but the strength aspect.....that part i question..have heard about it on a few occasions..but personally..think subpsace achievment leads to exhaustion not strenght"
crimson_kitten_MotT leaves
Garrs_lil_joy says, "listens ......."
? melanie_as_light says, "huh shy?"
? shy_heart_MSH says, "nothing sis "
just_lil_dove says, "i can see how it would be possible because like if a child is hurt a mothers adrenaline can make her do the superhuman and it is all related to endorphins but i haven't and i don't know anyone personally who has"
jpbear63 says, "sleep is more likely.."
? shy_heart_MSH says, "is what i was thinking dove"
? melanie_as_light says, "subspace itself can be hard to defined..there is no direct definition."
jpbear63 says, "They are two diff molecules."
? shy_heart_MSH says, "but never heard of that happening" master_of_the_tigers says, "have seen bad memories brought out of a sub from her childhood, and she reacted to that, rather than the scene"
jpbear63 says, "enodorphins are opiates, and adrenaline is a hormone."
You tell shy_heart_MSH shy is everything all right?
jarl_elerikk says, "back"
Garrs_lil_joy says, "just as this lifestyle is about what what works for the individuals so is the subspace directly linked to each individual there is no direct definition "
just_lil_dove is away (be right back)
Garrs_lil_joy says, "my subspace may be completly different from anothers in that pain and pleasure for me are one and the same "
? melanie_as_light says, "think Casey said it best..when he once said..your bdsm is not my bdsm.."
Garrs_lil_joy says, "AMEN"
? melanie_as_light says, "goes for everything..so it is hard to define it joy..but without defining it..we do all agree there are dangers in this state?"
Garrs_lil_joy says, "yes"
? shy_heart_MSH says, "yes Mel there are"
master_of_the_tigers says, "yes"
jpbear63 says, "y"
castle_kitten says, "yes"
jarl_elerikk says, "listens quietly"
? melanie_as_light says, "ok..now..may i ask..does anyone have any ideas..that can help and try to prevent this from happening?"
Garrs_lil_joy says, "i think the group opnion is STAY IN CONTROL for the Dom/me"
jpbear63 says, "If the sub goes into her space, the Dom has the respon. to stay clear."
? melanie_as_light says, "JP was on the right track..when he said.>TALK..TALK TALK TALK..before a scene..that is one of the best things..understanding each other..trusting each other..an idea of what a person likes, dislikes, and can handle should be discussed prior before hand"
crimson_kitten_MotT enters
? melanie_as_light says, "welcome back kttten"
jpbear63 says, "*smiles shyly*" castle_kitten says, "wb kitten" ? crimson_kitten_MotT says, "thank you mel and kitten."
castle_kitten says, "oui, mel, agree with you and JP Sir"
master_of_the_tigers says, " @ my kitten"
Garrs_lil_joy says, "even with all that talk each moment differs from the next for one night my threshold may be higher or lower than the night before"
jpbear63 says, "It's like that awful James Earl Jones commercial for Bell Atlantic"
jpbear63 says, "Talk talk talk or PAY."
castle_kitten says, "lol"
? melanie_as_light says, "*giggles*...either way more you talk..more you pay..ummm..works both ways.."
? shy_heart_MSH giggles
jpbear63 says, "the more you talk, the better my service gets..(whoops, sorry)"
castle_kitten says, "but seriously, believes you should know the one you scene with and discuss the possibilities"
castle_kitten says, "before hand"
Maitre_Remi says, "Talk ? I would assume that talk is done before you decide to have sex with someone. much less BDSM ..."
Garrs_lil_joy says, "agrees wif castle_kitten"
? melanie_as_light says, "the more one talks about it with there Dom..the more they leave themselves opened for exploration..*giggles*..so either way wehter talking on phone and paying high bills.or talking to dom..and paying the price of divelging the inner most secrets and desires"
? shy_heart_MSH says, "agrees with kitten"
just_lil_dove is back.
Garrs_lil_joy says, "wb dove"
jpbear63 says, "I agree Mel"
? shy_heart_MSH says, "welcome back dove"
just_lil_dove says, "ty joy, shy" castle_kitten says, "wb dove" ? melanie_as_light says, "not necessarily Maitre Remi..i can tell you some horror stories of how desparate some people can get..especially newbies..and there is a new thing known as "fever"..subbie or dominant "fever".."
just_lil_dove says, "ty kitten"
Garrs_lil_joy says, "fever?"
Garrs_lil_joy says, "pringles?///"
? shy_heart_MSH says, "yes Mel..is like they have gold fever...is a rush to leap in the deep end"
jpbear63 says, ""Oh I gotta do this NOW" fever..."
? shy_heart_MSH giggles to joy
jarl_elerikk says, "nods"
jarl_elerikk says, "very true"
? melanie_as_light says, "fever---where a newbie becomes so desparate..and wants to take on this lifestyle so quickly by the new feelings and desires they have for this..that they rus into it...completely..not making wise choices..and end up getting hurt, abused..or causing great problems"
Maitre_Remi says, "its nothing to laugh about ... saw the backlash of that last night"
master_of_the_tigers says, "yes, it they can put you in a bad situation quick, you need to talk alot bnefore scenng"
Garrs_lil_joy says, "haste makes waste the quicker you are to rush into things the less time you have to trully savor the extasy "
? melanie_as_light feels my head wonders if this one has subbie fever?
castle_kitten says, "giggles at mel"
? shy_heart_MSH smiles to Mel
castle_kitten says, "and no, was not chaton that backlashed!" ? melanie_as_light says, "hmmm..never thought about it that way joy...that you will lose sight of the ecstasy..good poing"
Maitre_Remi says, "poing ... hmmmm "
Maitre_Remi says, "?" castle_kitten says, "here's a pen, mon Maitre"
Garrs_lil_joy says, "poing is on da list"
castle_kitten says, "giggles"
Maitre_Remi says, "list of good poings"
castle_kitten says, "lol" ? melanie_as_light says, "*giggles*..point..hey dont kill the typist..geeze..you know how i am..type up forever..yet it is late as anything..o0(and i have a test tommorrow..sighs)"
castle_kitten says, "awwwh, she's a fast typist, give her some credit!"
? melanie_as_light says, "yes kitten..*giggles*..thank you..i do try..*smiles*..ok..back to sub space.."
Garrs_lil_joy says, "nods will do credit given and charged at 14 % interest"
castle_kitten says, "lmao ! at joy!"
castle_kitten says, "another banker?"
Garrs_lil_joy says, "nope "
castle_kitten says, "good, smiles"
Garrs_lil_joy says, "bookeeper mad taxi nurse slut
bartender sub you know the term....MOM" ? melanie_as_light says, "well back to fever for a moment..o0(hey no bank jokes..already have 2 bankers here..).....but....subbie fever..is that just in newbies?..or can subbie fever also be in a sense..rebound..o0(knows i switeched topics..but well we are on the track)"
castle_kitten says, "*winks* at mel, two are more than enough, non?"
castle_kitten says, "rebound?"
just_lil_dove says, "has seen it in more than just newbies"
master_of_the_tigers says, "agrees w/ dove"
Garrs_lil_joy says, "rebound good topic this goes back to stirring gently those hidden deamons and being careful not to mix too fast"
just_lil_dove says, "believes the term is velcro collars at least that's what we call it"
castle_kitten says, "ahhhhhh, thank you"
Garrs_lil_joy says, "giggles"
? shy_heart_MSH nods to dove
Garrs_lil_joy says, "really reaL velcro????"
? melanie_as_light says, "rebound..you know..when a girl loses a collar...and goes off to the very first dominant..who makes them feel special..o0(umm..no comment on th at one)..."
castle_kitten says, "then, will agree with dove!"
just_lil_dove says, "grinz at joy"
? shy_heart_MSH says, "has seen that many time Mel..most of us have"
? melanie_as_light says, "<--calls it paper collar..never like velcro....paper..once it is off..it is ruined..velcros are the sickos..that keep going back and forth to the same dom over and over and over and over rather then accepting it"
? melanie_as_light .o)(ok..sorry for calling them sickos..because i am just as guilty)
shy_heart_MSH . o O ( hugs Mel )
Garrs_lil_joy says, "huggs shy whose hugging mel "
? shy_heart_MSH what about Sir G??
? melanie_as_light says, "GROUP HUG?..*giggles*"
castle_kitten says, "hugggggs "
Garrs_lil_joy says, "he went to bed right after ithanked the gods"
? shy_heart_MSH giggles softly huggs
Garrs_lil_joy says, "group grope "
master_of_the_tigers says, "hugggggggs"
? melanie_as_light says, "ok...we are really getting off track here...."
? shy_heart_MSH says, "ohhhhhh He got His thanks and retired then"
? shy_heart_MSH
Garrs_lil_joy says, "lol you got it " Garrs_lil_joy says, "PULLLLL" ? shy_heart_MSH <~~Canadian no gun jpbear63 is away (Auto-Away) jarl_elerikk is away (Auto-Away) ? melanie_as_light says, "hmm..we lost the doms?..are they bored.."
jpbear63 is back. jpbear63 says, "..back to subbie fever?"
? melanie_as_light says, "*giggles*."
? shy_heart_MSH laughs
jarl_elerikk is back. jarl_elerikk says, "lol" Garrs_lil_joy says, "ROTFLMAO"
? melanie_as_light says, "sure..subbie fever......there is the newbie version..then there is the rebound version..both dangerous"
castle_kitten says, "well, have wondered what makes a girl accept a collar from a different Master, one right after the other, and sometimes two at a time ? guess that would be sub fever"
Garrs_lil_joy says, "rebound version more so "
master_of_the_tigers says, "sometime rebound is worse"
? shy_heart_MSH says, "esp since those doing the rebounding seem to forget what they should know"
just_lil_dove ----- wonders if when the Dom/mes do it it is Dom/mie fever?
? melanie_as_light says, "that is when time talk trust, time, more talk, lots of trust..patience..should be taken..i mean i was even told..if you think you are going fast..slow down..nad if you think you are going too slow..that means you have to slow down even more"
jpbear63 says, "how do you tell them apart?"
? shy_heart_MSH says, "good question dove"
Garrs_lil_joy says, "a newbie may not know any better rebound know better and tempt fate anyway"
? melanie_as_light says, "yes there is dove......of course..newbie doms just aching to try to whip a girl.or tie her up and end up doing one hell of a lousey dangerous scene"
Maitre_Remi is away (Auto-Away) ? shy_heart_MSH says, "and through a lot of talking you will know a newbie Dom...is why the fever is dangerous"
? crimson_kitten_MotT says, "kitten i don't think that is subbie fever, that is seeking some sense of self esteem from Others...and i don't think that's healthy."
? shy_heart_MSH says, "they skip the whole slow getting to know you part"
just_lil_dove says, "i think i understand why the rebounds do it also though once you have experienced even a part of the lifestyle r/l then it is hard being alone"
? melanie_as_light says, "right joy..newbies learn and are in a sense inexpeireicne or ignorant...but if on the rebound..one can be fully knowledgeable in what they are doing and what they should be doing..but too blind by their hurt feelings..to see the dangers"
Maitre_Remi says, "oui ... I was getting bored"
Maitre_Remi is back. Garrs_lil_joy says, "smiles and giggles cuz Garr aND I WERE MARRIED FOR A LONG TIME BEFORE I ACCEPTED THE COLLAR"
? shy_heart_MSH giggles to joy
? melanie_as_light says, "BDSM is like a drug..or a disease..once it is inside of you..really cant go back to vanilla..o0(why does this sound like my gor speech?)" Garrs_lil_joy says, "dang nabbit cps lock key "
just_lil_dove says, "wb Maitre Remi"
? shy_heart_MSH says, "welcome back Maitre Remi " jpbear63 says, "wb" jarl_elerikk says, "wb" shy_heart_MSH . o O ( is close but not the same Mel me dearling )
Garrs_lil_joy says, "sorry all was not yelling THIs dang keyboard has MINaof its own "
castle_kitten says, "wb mon Maitre..smiles"
Your buddy sardonicusmalevolous_mystic is on pager Your buddy sardonicusmalevolous_mystic has gone off pager just_lil_dove says, "lol @ joys possessed keyboard" ? melanie_as_light .o0(i know shy...but not even going to get into gor..staying long away from that topic for a reason..but just sounds like my speech..lol)
Garrs_lil_joy says, "would sprinkle holy water on it but it would explode electricity and water dont mix well" ? shy_heart_MSH grinz well the taste for BDSM is not the same as the other but we shall avoid the other
jpbear63 says, "Ginger ale work on my computer."
? shy_heart_MSH hands joy another cross
Garrs_lil_joy says, "laffs" just_lil_dove says, "lol"
? melanie_as_light .o0(bdsm as a religion..now that was a fun topic)
shy_heart_MSH . o O ( should see what choc milk did to mine )
Garrs_lil_joy says, "the other is best left for another nights topic ladies "
Garrs_lil_joy says, "winks to mel and shy"
jarl_elerikk says, "lol but tell me I found gor first"
jarl_elerikk says, "and am new to this all"
jpbear63 says, "Well, I am new to Gor, but am learning...fast."
jarl_elerikk says, "why not share with me melanie"
? melanie_as_light says, "umm...forgive her Jarl Elerikk..but no comment please...but welcome to the Castle.. "
just_lil_dove ------ is being really good for a change
Maitre_Remi hmmmm
? shy_heart_MSH says, "yes many in Gor are...was explaining to someone who calls herself a slave what subspace is and that BDSM is more than spankings"
Garrs_lil_joy says, "cringes as she watches the hair on doves neck stand"
just_lil_dove says, "giggles at joy"
? melanie_as_light cowers back..please...dont want this to go to Gor..

jpbear63 says, "No gor tonight." ? shy_heart_MSH says, "back to subspace as JPbear said"
jarl_elerikk says, "yes lets not as the little one has had a bad rowe there recently"
Maitre_Remi says, "lets define the real definition of subspace"
? melanie_as_light says, "THANK YOU..no Gor..some other time..when i am sane about Gor"
Your buddy sailortina is in chat Garrs_lil_joy says, "points to da sign that says ALL are welcome but it does also say BDSM astle "
Maitre_Remi says, "lol ... ok mel ... marks it on the calendar with joy's pen"
? melanie_as_light .o0(gor is another time...not tonight).
. Garrs_lil_joy says, "hey thats your pen give it back " ? shy_heart_MSH nods to joy
jpbear63 says, "Nah, maybe when I can actually add to the conversation."
Maitre_Remi says, "lol"
jpbear63 says, "But no gor, thanks. I'm driving."
castle_kitten says, "lol!!"
Maitre_Remi bites his tongue and will be good
Garrs_lil_joy says, "lets leave the Gor ey details aside subspace was the topic"
just_lil_dove says, "wonders if Maiter Remi bit through yet too"
just_lil_dove says, " " Garrs_lil_joy says, "smiles at dove " ? shy_heart_MSH says, "each sub is going to experience subspace...is a personal experience"
Your buddy the_zenar has gone off pager Garrs_lil_joy says, "winks at shy and mel " ? shy_heart_MSH says, "but there are some common factors" Maitre_Remi says, ". o O ( thinks I'll leave BDSM and become a Tolkien Master )"
? melanie_as_light says, "ok..umm umm um..thnks thinks thinks...subspace.."
? melanie_as_light POKES Maitre Remi..really hard
Garrs_lil_joy says, "ouuuuchies"
? shy_heart_MSH watches light...who gave her the cattle prod?
KestrelMaster enters Garrs_lil_joy says, "(((((((KM)))))))" ? KestrelMaster says, "hello A/all" ? melanie_as_light says, "greetings Kestrel Master Sir..*smiles*..just in time..please say something about Subspace..*giggles*"
castle_kitten says, "greetings KestrelMaster" ? shy_heart_MSH says, "greetings KestrelMaster" Maitre_Remi says, "bonsoir Kestrel ... change time zones ?" Maitre_Remi says, "better late than never ... *grinz*" just_lil_dove leaves just_lil_dove enters ? KestrelMaster says, "no Remi, an important phone call" ? melanie_as_light says, "ok..i have a question..." Garrs_lil_joy says, "wild is well " jpbear63 says, "yes?" just_lil_dove says, "kicks my stupid puter hiya Kes" Garrs_lil_joy says, "listens to da question " just_lil_dove says, "listens too" ? shy_heart_MSH listens ? KestrelMaster says, "yes joy, wild is quite well" Maitre_Remi listens intently ... even. Garrs_lil_joy says, "smiles good " "sailortina is now away."
? melanie_as_light says, "Can a sub obtain subsace..only through the use of physical simulations...i mean..i have heard of this...and even seen it partially..of where a dominant can talk his way to giving a girl an orgasm..i am just wodnering..although subsace is more intense..does it need phsycial stimulation?"
Garrs_lil_joy listens to melanie_as_light.
jpbear63 says, "Absolutely not."
Maitre_Remi raises an eyebrow.
? melanie_as_light says, "may i ask if you can explain JP Sir?"
? KestrelMaster says, "I think it can be reached without physical stimulation"
Garrs_lil_joy says, "talking a girl into orgasm?????????"
? shy_heart_MSH agrees with Kestrel Master
? shy_heart_MSH nods to joy Maitre_Remi says, "spontanteous orgasm ..."
? KestrelMaster says, "if a submissive is attuned to her Dominant's voice, it is very possible"
jpbear63 says, "Ok, pop quiz: What's the most powerful sexual organ?"
just_lil_dove says, "(knows for sure it can be done joy)
" just_lil_dove says, "blushes"
Mistress_Alexi enters ? crimson_kitten_MotT says, "da mind"
? crimson_kitten_MotT says, " " ? melanie_as_light says, "mind"
Maitre_Remi says, "mine !" just_lil_dove says, "grinz" ? crimson_kitten_MotT says, "lol" ? shy_heart_MSH nods to dove jpbear63 says, "good kitten" Garrs_lil_joy says, "have heard of silver tongued devils but always asuumed they used them for other things besides speech "
? KestrelMaster says, "hey MA" just_lil_dove says, "hiya MA huggs" ? Mistress_Alexi says, "heya A/all" ? melanie_as_light says, "although the penis..can profilde..som good thrusting power..*giggles*"
? shy_heart_MSH says, "greetings Mistress Alexi"
Maitre_Remi says, "... did I say Mine ? ... meant mind .. yeah mind that's it"
? Mistress_Alexi says, "thought I'd pop in and bug Y/y'all for a while"
castle_kitten says, "greetings Mistress_Alexi" Garrs_lil_joy says, "hi MA" jpbear63 says, "I'll have to check my tongue in the mirror..yep it's silver."
just_lil_dove looks all bugged and stuff ? shy_heart_MSH giggles ? KestrelMaster says, "greets Mistress Bug" You tell Garrs_lil_joy ok ok ok..have to ask you..knows this is probably too soon..do you think JP..full of it..or wondedrful? Your buddy sailortina has gone off pager
just_lil_dove says, "hehehe that's madam dovie to you " ? Mistress_Alexi says, "lol" Garrs_lil_joy says, "pouts cuz im missing out on some good communication skills over hear " ? shy_heart_MSH wooo whoo an up in rank ? melanie_as_light says, "greetings Mistress ALexi..*smiles*..so glad you can stop by.." Maitre_Remi says, "bonsoir MA" ? shy_heart_MSH says, "thinks your demon is after dove now joy...watching doves pager" ? Mistress_Alexi says, "bzzzzzzzes around the room" just_lil_dove says, "huggs dat joyful one" jpbear63 says, "(ducks down)" Garrs_lil_joy says, "hey i wanna know more i think i got and oral or is it aural fever" ? KestrelMaster says, "(rummages for that can of Raid)" Maitre_Remi says, "pulls out a fly swatter" just_lil_dove says, "laffs" ? melanie_as_light says, "Maitre Remi..you still have my fly swatter?...*giggles*" jpbear63 says, "(pulls out his bullwhip..and aims..)" Garrs_lil_joy says, "[::::::]___________" ? KestrelMaster says, "it's actually mental, joy" just_lil_dove says, "nods at Kes" Maitre_Remi says, "is this yours ?" Maitre_Remi says, "*sniffs*" ? melanie_as_light bites her tongue ? shy_heart_MSH uses konk..but only dazes the mosquitos Maitre_Remi says, "guess so ..." ? melanie_as_light says, "can let you borrow my hair brush too Sir..*giggles* " just_lil_dove -- is very mental Garrs_lil_joy says, "wonderful its a chain reaction You took da swatter i took Your pen " Maitre_Remi says, "lol" ? melanie_as_light .o0(ok..enough of that one) ? melanie_as_light says, "umm..did we lose track of the topic.." Your buddy vanchasers_angell is on pager Maitre_Remi is biting his tongue now Garrs_lil_joy says, "no " Garrs_lil_joy says, "pouts cuz im missing out on some good communication skills over hear " jpbear63 says, "subspace" Garrs_lil_joy says, "talking a girl into orgasm?????????" ? melanie_as_light says, "thats it.." Garrs_lil_joy says, "hey i wanna know more i think i got and oral or is it aural fever" jpbear63 says, "and talking to orgasm." ? shy_heart_MSH says, "yes joy it happens" Garrs_lil_joy says, "did not lose track of the topic" ? Mistress_Alexi says, "depends on what the topic was...if it was whips and fly swatters, you were right on topic" Maitre_Remi says, "well ... One must do what One must when they cant be there" jpbear63 says, "I've seen it done."
? melanie_as_light says, "Yes..can one talk a girl into an orgasm...yes..i have seen it and partially experenced somep ar...almost consider it pavlovian conditioning.."
castle_kitten says, "agrees with shy and JP Sir"
Garrs_lil_joy says, "ring da bell and cum?????"
? crimson_kitten_MotT says, "i know that one can be trained into it, but i have never seen it done without conditioning." jpbear63 says, "I saw a demo once where this Dom had his sub so trained..."
? crimson_kitten_MotT says, "Not to say that it cannot be done." ? crimson_kitten_MotT spreads her palms and shrugs.
jpbear63 says, "that he could count to 3..."
castle_kitten says, "grinz at kitten"
Garrs_lil_joy says, "listens to jpbear63"
jpbear63 says, "And she'd cum."
jpbear63 says, "HARD."
? melanie_as_light says, "do you know every time i hear church bells i get horney..knows that may be sick..but..has to do with the fact..i frequently had phone sex with a Master of mine..and every hour the school bells would go off.....and now..if i hear those type of bells..the body responds to them..umm..ok..that wsa to personal on my point..but proves that there is some conditioning..to it"
castle_kitten says, "lucky girl"
jarl_elerikk raises an eyebrow
jpbear63 says, "Really hard."
Your buddy vanchasers_angell is in chat ? KestrelMaster says, "here's a question for A/all......does subspace have to result in orgasm?"
Vanchasers_angell has been invited to join this room. VanChasers_angell enters Garrs_lil_joy says, "ring da bell and cum?????"
? melanie_as_light says, "greetings angell..*smiles*.." VanChasers_angell says, "Greetings A/all" Your buddy perkygirl_68 is on pager Garrs_lil_joy says, "hey lil mama" castle_kitten says, "greetings angell" just_lil_dove says, "huggs dat angell girlie" ? Mistress_Alexi says, "hey ya angell " ? shy_heart_MSH says, "greetings angell" ? KestrelMaster says, "hey angell" jpbear63 says, "Uh, it really should. I don't know if the physio responses are the same."
? melanie_as_light says, "good question Kestrel Master..unless it is a bad subspace..i would think it leads to an orgasm"
VanChasers_angell says, "help hang on"
Your buddy perkygirl_68 has gone off pager Garrs_lil_joy says, "help
what when a preggers woman says hang on your in fer it " ? KestrelMaster says, "then what about male subs?"
just_lil_dove says, "usually has several orgasms then gets to subspace so i dunno about that Kes"
Garrs_lil_joy says, "boils the water and starts ripping sheets"
jpbear63 says, "I"
jpbear63 says, "I've seen that too."
jpbear63 says, "But only once."
? melanie_as_light says, "think the problem with male subs is that..they can in a sense only have one orgasm..and the Mistress has an even harder job controlling and leading them over to the edge..to the point of flying..then a man does for a femal"
castle_kitten says, "hmmmm...not in Beauty's Release, lol!"
castle_kitten says, "ok, ok, it's fiction"
jpbear63 says, "Beauty's release is pure fiction."
Garrs_lil_joy says, "makes mentaL NOTE TO BUY THAT SERIES"
Garrs_lil_joy says, " dang nabbit
" castle_kitten says, " " ? melanie_as_light says, "uggg.the beauty serious..that alone can be a good topic..but whispers to kitten..hold on to that thought because going to have a topic on the fictional works of BDSM soon..shhh" castle_kitten says, "to JP Sir" ? shy_heart_MSH grinz to joy...nods have not read it either Garrs_lil_joy says, "stupid cps lock key" VanChasers_angell says, "ok..let me bury 3 little boys 6 feet under than i will be right back...." VanChasers_angell is away (be right back) ? KestrelMaster says, "and I bet a lot of 'accounts' of subspace are fiction also" castle_kitten says, "giggles .... ok, mel!" Garrs_lil_joy says, "mine arent" Maitre_Remi says, "smiles ... had that thought earlier today ... mel" ? Mistress_Alexi says, "well...this has only been my experience...but if you're going to get the guy to subspace, you best get there before the orgasm, light"
Garrs_lil_joy says, "not as early as it does here in ny " Garrs_lil_joy says, "lol"
? shy_heart_MSH says, "be well Jarl Elerikk" jarl_elerikk says, "ty all for the invite and allowing me to sit around and hear"
? KestrelMaster says, "I don't doubt you, joy" jarl_elerikk leaves Garrs_lil_joy says, "then what is it You doubt" ? melanie_as_light says, "your right Mistress Alexi..but it is so much harder to as well.."
? Mistress_Alexi says, "not really, you're just working with a different mind set"
? KestrelMaster says, "I doubt that everyone can reach sobspace all the time, like I heard some claim"
Garrs_lil_joy says, "oh ok"
just_lil_dove says, "omg if a person got to subspace all the time they would be dead"
? Mistress_Alexi says, "laughs"
? KestrelMaster says, "exactly, dovie"
castle_kitten says, "giggles at dove"
Maitre_Remi says, "and could it be that some subs can't reach subspace ?"
? melanie_as_light says, "dont think so either..almost like with orgasm..not everyone can and will orgasm each and every time..it is a phsycal emotional state"
Garrs_lil_joy says, "its a great place to be but if it were to be achieved at every scene the thrill would be gone"
? KestrelMaster says, "actually, two people"
Maitre_Remi says, "as i the case of female ejaculation ?"
Your buddy jarl_elerikk has gone off pager Maitre_Remi says, "as in ... even"
Your buddy perkygirl_68 is on pager just_lil_dove ------- is pretty useless for a couple of days afterwards not out of it where i don't know what is going on but exhausted
Garrs_lil_joy says, "looks to Maitre_Remi im learnin alot " jpbear63 says, "*bows gracefully* Thank A/all of you for making this a great first meeting for me."
Garrs_lil_joy says, "go on pleasew"
jpbear63 says, "But , I've go to push off." castle_kitten says, "be well JP, Sir" just_lil_dove says, "bw jpbear63" Maitre_Remi says, "merci for your knowledge JP" master_of_the_tigers says, "bw jp" Garrs_lil_joy says, "it was very nice to meet you jpbear63" ? crimson_kitten_MotT says, "Be well JP." ? shy_heart_MSH says, "be well Jpbear63 Sir" jpbear63 says, "I wish you A/ll well." ? KestrelMaster says, "bw JP" ? melanie_as_light says, "wishes you well JP Sir..have a wonderful evening..*smiles*..and good night..sweet dreams" Maitre_Remi smiles at joy .... jpbear63 leaves Your buddy jpbear63 leaves chat Maitre_Remi says, "bon ...." ? melanie_as_light says, "ok..now it went silent" ? melanie_as_light says, "ummm" ? melanie_as_light says, "*giggles*" Maitre_Remi says, "I said "bon" ... " Your buddy perkygirl_68 has gone off pager ? shy_heart_MSH giggles Garrs_lil_joy says, "waits fer Maitre_Remi to divulge more info " just_lil_dove says, "ducks from the flying pm-s" ? Mistress_Alexi says, "shoots a pm over in dove's direction" Maitre_Remi says, "no one replied about the possibility of a sub not being able to reach subspace ...." ? melanie_as_light says, ".o0-(actually a girl is thinking of calling it a night soon as well..already midnight..and have to get up early..but this was one hell of a topic)...." ? melanie_as_light says, "ok..has to conclude this some how everyone.."

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