Vanilla BDSM (july 26, 1999)

special note..have no idea what happened to the beginning of the topic..but here is the rest of it.....

? TheKnightMaster says, "Greetings A/all....."
? AJSpans_moonbeam_of_light says, "greetings Knight..nice to see You.
.." MCFs_trinket Bows to The Knight Master VanChasers_angell says, "greetings KnightMaster" AJSpan_99 says, "bye wild be seeing you" Berus_nearly_wild says, "waves to Knight on her way out" MajicaL_SLYhawk says, "By wild" ? TheKnightMaster says, "Helo everyone." toyresa says, "welcomes Knight Master" MCFs_trinket says, "back to the topic" Berus_nearly_wild leaves ? TheKnightMaster says, "please excuse me but am a little......upset right now." ? TheKnightMaster says, "just wish to sit and listen." You tell TheKnightMaster "Knight whats wrong?\" ? AJSpans_moonbeam_of_light says, "very well Knight..hope everything is all right.." ? AJSpans_moonbeam_of_light says, "*looks around*" MCFs_trinket smiles ? AJSpans_moonbeam_of_light says, "ok..new Q to the floor then..." MCFs_trinket listens VanChasers_angell says, "listens" toyresa says, "listens" Your buddy vanchaser is on pager ? AJSpans_moonbeam_of_light says, "Back to teaching new partners about BDSM.....if the sub is the one whom knows the ways and explores the Dom/mes side with the partner..is that in a sense the sub who is in control?"
VanChasers_angell says, ""
? AJSpans_moonbeam_of_light says, "*smiles at angell..*..whipser is he comming in here?"
MCFs_trinket says, "but doesn't that go back to the "is it really the sub who is in control" q anyway"
VanChasers_angell says, "hope so light.."
? AJSpans_moonbeam_of_light says, "well...in that case would have to be....."
MajicaL_SLYhawk says, "It's the sub who is the teacher teaching The Don how to contrlo"
? AJSpans_moonbeam_of_light says, "in order to explore that side..of the partner...the sub needs to take control to teach that control"
MCFs_trinket says, "and no i don't think the sub has to be in control"
MajicaL_SLYhawk says, "HEY IT'S A PROGRESSION"
MajicaL_SLYhawk says, "THE SUBBIE I WORKIN HERSELF OUTA CONTROL"
MajicaL_SLYhawk says, "oopps"
MajicaL_SLYhawk says, "caps lol"
MCFs_trinket says, "lol"
? AJSpans_moonbeam_of_light says, "*covers ears yikes*"
AJSpan_99 says, "dont think controle can be tought"
AJSpan_99 says, "expanmded maybe"
MCFs_trinket says, "i think to some extent it can be.....but not in the BDSM sense"
AJSpan_99 says, "but should be in someone to be expanded"
AJSpan_99 says, "one canbe learned to controle a machine"
MCFs_trinket says, "control is taught in the military everyday"
MajicaL_SLYhawk says, "hey"
? AJSpans_moonbeam_of_light says, "well...here is the funny thing....it is acceptable and common knowlege for the Master to be the teacher..and teach submission..but yet the sub cant teach control?"
AJSpan_99 says, "but how to contole feelings"
MCFs_trinket says, "but whether or not the lesson sticks is another matter"
MajicaL_SLYhawk says, "the predisposition caN NIOT BE TOUGHT"
MajicaL_SLYhawk says, "dam caps"
MCFs_trinket says, "lol"
MCFs_trinket says, "i agree"
MajicaL_SLYhawk says, "but the knowledge of how certainly can be"
MCFs_trinket says, "the predisposition can't be taught"
MajicaL_SLYhawk says, "but one had to have some one to teach"
MCFs_trinket nods AJSpan_99 says, "sorry for the lack of knolidge"
AJSpan_99 says, "predisposition?"
MajicaL_SLYhawk says, "that was a point made this week i heard.. I have given up looking for someone that is perfect I am now looking for some one that I can at least teach."
MCFs_trinket says, "call it genetic"
MCFs_trinket says, "born with it"
AJSpan_99 says, "ty trinket"
MCFs_trinket says, "your welcome Sir"
AJSpan_99 says, "thougt it was something like that"
MajicaL_SLYhawk says, "sorry AJ"
AJSpan_99 says, "its ok Sluhawk"
MCFs_trinket says, "like a child can be predisposed to be smart"
AJSpan_99 says, "Slyhawk that is"
MajicaL_SLYhawk says, "I have this tendency to fire away with the big words"
AJSpan_99 says, "no problem"
MCFs_trinket says, "<-------loves big words"
AJSpan_99 says, "like me saying things in Dutch thats all"
MCFs_trinket says, "lol"
MCFs_trinket says, "i would be lost" MajicaL_SLYhawk says, "or me in french as welll"
AJSpan_99 says, "(chloorhexodinehydrochloride)"
MCFs_trinket says, "still would be lost"
? AJSpans_moonbeam_of_light says, "well...withen all of us is the BDSM aspect..it is just a question of embracing it or not....but in order to bring it out...harness what is inside..how do you do that with a vanilla partner..any ideas?"
MajicaL_SLYhawk says, "except the kissin part for some reason many undersatanbd the french kissin part"
MCFs_trinket says, "talking"
= MCFs_trinket says, "and talking and talking"
MCFs_trinket says, "and understanding"
MajicaL_SLYhawk says, "oh my"
MCFs_trinket says, "lol@Majical"
MajicaL_SLYhawk says, "heres my viewpoint"
MajicaL_SLYhawk says, "thanks trinket"
MCFs_trinket says, "of course they have to be receptive to it too"
AJSpan_99 says, "one can talk to the partner, but what if there is no understanding"
? AJSpans_moonbeam_of_light says, "one needs to be open to explore and communication is the key.."
MajicaL_SLYhawk says, "you have to do the balance thing that we talked aBOUT EARLIER"
MCFs_trinket says, "yes...."
MajicaL_SLYhawk says, "this is a new keyboard for me sorry"
toyresa says, "i talked until i was empty of love"
AJSpan_99 says, "one like me becomes a loner"
AJSpan_99 says, "or leaves"
MajicaL_SLYhawk says, "could not find the balance"
MCFs_trinket says, "if there is no understanding then one either changes/supresses or leaves like toy"
MajicaL_SLYhawk says, "yep"
toyresa says, "one night i lay there while he did his thing and wept because all i could think trhu the whole thing is He doesnt love me"
MCFs_trinket says, "ouch"
MajicaL_SLYhawk says, "thats the choices allright"
VanChasers_angell says, "still here listening.....((((btw light,,,he is working on something will be here after)))"
? AJSpans_moonbeam_of_light says, "ok..angell..."
MCFs_trinket looks at the time
MCFs_trinket says, "i should go A/all"
? AJSpans_moonbeam_of_light says, "trinket you made a good point.."
? AJSpans_moonbeam_of_light says, "supressing the feelings one has..."
toyresa says, "he didnt even ask why i was crying"
MCFs_trinket says, "it is late here and i may have to get up very early (which i hate)"
MajicaL_SLYhawk says, "Very good meeting you trinket"
toyresa says, "i left the next day"
VanChasers_angell says, "huggs toy.."
? AJSpans_moonbeam_of_light says, "wishes you well trinket..have a nice night...."
MCFs_trinket says, "be well A/all"
VanChasers_angell says, "bw trinket"
MCFs_trinket hugs for A/all
AJSpan_99 says, "sleep well trinket , was nice meeting you"
toyresa says, "tickles da trinket and smiles"
MCFs_trinket says, "nice to meet you A/all too" ? AJSpans_moonbeam_of_light says, "very funny Majicall...ha ha.."
MajicaL_SLYhawk says, "got that angll didnt I"
VanChasers_angell says, "LOL"
toyresa says, "Sly iam gonna crawl in my toy box now LOL"
VanChasers_angell says, "<---is a very different angel lol"
MajicaL_SLYhawk says, "could be a good spam line"
MajicaL_SLYhawk says, "Oh my"
MajicaL_SLYhawk says, "here have a geather on me for ytour toy collectiuon"
MajicaL_SLYhawk says, "feather even" MajicaL_SLYhawk says, "jeeez" VanChasers_angell says, "lol" MajicaL_SLYhawk says, "you wear them oput os fast anyways" toyresa says, "yes they make good feather dusters"
MajicaL_SLYhawk says, "cant grow them fast enough" MajicaL_SLYhawk says, "yea I know what you dust wioth them" ? AJSpans_moonbeam_of_light says, "how did we get to feather dusters?"
MajicaL_SLYhawk says, "LOL" ? AJSpans_moonbeam_of_light says, "*giggles*.." VanChasers_angell says, "lol,,thinking the same thing...but good subject lol"
? AJSpans_moonbeam_of_light says, "any more comments or things about vanilla and BDSM?"
toyresa says, "topping from Sly's bottom"
? TheKnightMaster says, "just one...."
AJSpan_99 says, "looks at light"
MajicaL_SLYhawk says, "gonna top your bottom one of these days toy"
? AJSpans_moonbeam_of_light says, "yes Knight?"
? TheKnightMaster says, "is hot fudge allowed?"
AJSpan_99 says, "i guess dear BDSM and vanilla dont mix verry well"
MajicaL_SLYhawk says, "LOL @ Knight" VanChasers_angell says, "lol@Knight"
? AJSpans_moonbeam_of_light says, "*smiles*...hot fudge is always allowed Knight.."
toyresa says, "i totally agres with that Master AJ"
MajicaL_SLYhawk says, "hey what ever your into man"
AJSpan_99 says, "one will get hurt in someway"
VanChasers_angell says, "yes like water and oil"
toyresa says, "Sly ya allready beaked me lol"
MajicaL_SLYhawk says, "I agree AJ"
? AJSpans_moonbeam_of_light says, "no they dont it seems......and it does happen......where one does get hurt..."
MajicaL_SLYhawk says, "They dont mix when you get the taste of one of them"
toyresa says, "if the vanilla is interested it can work"
MajicaL_SLYhawk says, "it hurts even"
toyresa says, "but if not both end up unhappy"
AJSpan_99 says, "agree tioy"
AJSpan_99 says, "but then is he/she vanilla"
VanChasers_angell says, "then if the vanilla is interested doesn't it change from vanilla?"
MajicaL_SLYhawk says, "yes angelll"
? AJSpans_moonbeam_of_light says, "Knight..speaking of icecream..that is a good idea..have a nice icecream...soothing and cooling your system..relaxing with it..*smiles*..ok ..that was off topic.."
MajicaL_SLYhawk says, "it's that predisposition thing again
" toyresa says, "M AJ i have tried lesbian acts without becoming leasbian"
? TheKnightMaster says, "start ing to get pissed again "
MajicaL_SLYhawk says, "if you can find it in your partner then great if not then decision time"
? AJSpans_moonbeam_of_light says, "*shuts up*"
? AJSpans_moonbeam_of_light says, "Here is a question"
AJSpan_99 says, "smiles at toy"
toyresa says, "i ahve used a strap on dildo witout wanting a sex change operation"
VanChasers_angell says, "listens"
AJSpan_99 says, "yes i have tried D?s with my wife"
AJSpan_99 says, "and it ended"
MajicaL_SLYhawk says, "yes"
? AJSpans_moonbeam_of_light says, "if one explores the BDSM lifestyle..can one go back to vanilla..or is it once you are exposed to this life style you can never be vanilla again?"
AJSpan_99 says, "didnt make her submisive"
MajicaL_SLYhawk says, "I know that journey AJ"
toyresa says, "i have even tried Domme without becoming a Domme"
MajicaL_SLYhawk says, "it's the what technique"
AJSpan_99 says, "speaking for my self dear light"
VanChasers_angell says, "hmm good question light."
MajicaL_SLYhawk says, "You want what???"
? TheKnightMaster says, "mentally or physically light?"
AJSpan_99 says, "i never found hapyness in r/l"
? AJSpans_moonbeam_of_light says, "both Knight....."
AJSpan_99 says, "maybe if i would leave and search the Lifestyl i would"
toyresa says, "i can never be vanilla"
toyresa says, "even if i lose sexual desire"
toyresa says, "for the sex act itself"
MajicaL_SLYhawk says, "You definatlly would AJ"
toyresa says, "i still have the other needs"
AJSpan_99 says, "i know i would Slyhawk"
MajicaL_SLYhawk says, "Yep"
VanChasers_angell says, "agrees with toy,,always be sub here...even if not with sexual acts"
AJSpan_99 says, "i owuld come over to america in a sec"
? TheKnightMaster says, "O/one can do the mental light.but not the physical light......"
MajicaL_SLYhawk says, "That decision hurts every day Aj"
? AJSpans_moonbeam_of_light says, "no comment on that one..."
? AJSpans_moonbeam_of_light says, "Knight..i would think it is the other way around.."
? TheKnightMaster says, "no."
? AJSpans_moonbeam_of_light says, "that the mental withen always stays BDSM but phiyisical is vanilla..or is that not the case?"
? TheKnightMaster says, "I know at least a dozen......who come here........"
? TheKnightMaster says, "but do not r/l......."
toyresa says, "i had 19 years of doing bdsm mentally"
toyresa says, "Sly can hear agian da toy lament I AM Dying"
AJSpan_99 says, "is a mental case"
toyresa says, "we are physical and spirtual creatures"
MajicaL_SLYhawk says, "Well I know your plight toy"
? AJSpans_moonbeam_of_light says, "<--mental as well."
toyresa says, "we ahve to nourish both aspects of us"
MajicaL_SLYhawk says, "Oh my"
VanChasers_angell says, "yes agreed toy"
MajicaL_SLYhawk says, "Do I know what that one is going through"
MajicaL_SLYhawk says, "got the boot or left in exasperation"
VanChasers_angell says, "doesn't O/one feel trapped without the release?
" ? AJSpans_moonbeam_of_light says, ".o0(hopes it is just the boot)"
MajicaL_SLYhawk says, "YESSSSSS"
MajicaL_SLYhawk says, "angell" MajicaL_SLYhawk says, "desperate even"
toyresa says, "yes i have felt very trapped"
Your buddy ajspan_99 is in chat toyresa says, "it made me gain almst a hundred pounds"
? AJSpans_moonbeam_of_light says, "angell..would agree with that too..YESS..for it is a prison..not to be able to explore what You want..to relieve what you need....ect"
MajicaL_SLYhawk says, "but when you do something about it you feel ALIVE"
AJSpan_99 enters toyresa says, "i substituted eating for these needs"
? TheKnightMaster says, "wb AJ.........." ? AJSpans_moonbeam_of_light says, "greetings Master wlcome back *smiles*"
AJSpan_99 says, "ty KNight" MajicaL_SLYhawk says, "just you have to find the right one."
VanChasers_angell says, "so thus the mental is stronger than the physical,,,because it over rides"
toyresa says, "WB Sir"
MajicaL_SLYhawk says, "WB AJ" VanChasers_angell says, "wb AJ"
AJSpan_99 says, "thanks all" MajicaL_SLYhawk says, "depends angell" ? AJSpans_moonbeam_of_light says, "angell..the mental is indeed strong...but the physical....that is what ties it together..for in Real life..you get both the physical and mental..and that is how one can achieve new hieghts.."
VanChasers_angell says, "but your dying inside without the release,,,how can you truely be happy and heathly"
toyresa says, "angell the physicall that i experiened far far better than the metal"
MajicaL_SLYhawk says, "Some have it one way some have it the other it depends on how on fire you are and where your threshold of exasperastion is."
? AJSpans_moonbeam_of_light says, "*smiles at Master*.."
? AJSpans_moonbeam_of_light says, ".o0(coffee..lol)"
? AJSpans_moonbeam_of_light says, "angell..that is why some turn to other sources for this release that they cant get out of real life..and the internet is a perfect place......for we A/all need that relase to explore this life style..or we would truly explode"
? AJSpans_moonbeam_of_light says, "*looks around*"
MajicaL_SLYhawk says, "One can so strange things to find that."
VanChasers_angell says, "yes but without the mental needs there would be no physical correct??? or am i just weird?"
? AJSpans_moonbeam_of_light says, "actually think you are right angel..."
MajicaL_SLYhawk says, "Some do the physical without the mental cause there partner seeds it vbut they dont"
? AJSpans_moonbeam_of_light says, "it is the mental needs..that causes us to want it physically..."
toyresa says, "without the metal it would not work angel"
MajicaL_SLYhawk says, "seed = needs"
toyresa says, "i have a friend who asks me to scene with him"
toyresa says, "he has male subs"
MajicaL_SLYhawk says, "oh"
toyresa says, "heasks me to bind him inthe ways he wishes to do his subs"
toyresa says, "so he can experience it before he subjects his subs to it"
AJSpan_99 says, "wise friend toy"
toyresa says, "i feeel no thrill at all from it"
VanChasers_angell says, "listening"
? AJSpans_moonbeam_of_light says, "that is a good job for a Dom however..if you get no thrill from it...it does help him..but..what does it do for you?"
toyresa says, "i help my friend"
toyresa says, "i did it out of curiousity"
? TheKnightMaster says, ""whispers............gets even"
toyresa says, "but each time i am bored silly with it"
toyresa says, "grins no Knight Master"
? AJSpans_moonbeam_of_light says, "right.....and that is an interesting point you brought up...for it is the mental that is needed for the physical...and that is a perfect exampl.."
? AJSpans_moonbeam_of_light says, "and why do i feel like i am rambling"
? TheKnightMaster says, "just joking toy....."
toyresa says, "i know Sir"
toyresa says, "but honestly i did have that thought once"
toyresa says, "to get even"
toyresa says, "but when he hand me do nipple clamps"
toyresa says, "and then i released them and he yelled so loud i had to thro up"
toyresa says, "it made me cry to hurt him"
toyresa says, "yet the same action upon my self it a huge thrill"
? AJSpans_moonbeam_of_light says, "toy that also may go with the fact that he is asking you to explore the Dommes side....dont know if you are a switch or not....but that may be another reason why it isnt mentally fulfilling"
toyresa says, "i was glad he wore a hood so he couldnt see me crying at his pain"
MajicaL_SLYhawk says, "it may also be the intent"
MajicaL_SLYhawk says, "was it done with love or just abusive"
MajicaL_SLYhawk says, "thats the whole point of being worhty"
MajicaL_SLYhawk says, "and of sharing"
toyresa says, "it made me feel so terrible inside yet i understood this was what he wanted"
VanChasers_angell says, "yes agrees with Sly"
? AJSpans_moonbeam_of_light says, "in this case may not have been love or abuse..for it was a friend...and just the thought of hurting another.that what may have hurt toy"
MajicaL_SLYhawk says, "it also cause you were getting even"
toyresa says, "he will not subject his subs to that which he cannot take himself"
MajicaL_SLYhawk says, "and thats not loving"
? AJSpans_moonbeam_of_light says, "toy..he is a very wise Dom..have to give him a lot of credit..for not many would ever do that..plus gives him more of an understanding of what his sub goes through as well"
toyresa says, "and he aslo trusts me that i will never cause any harm"
MajicaL_SLYhawk says, "One gives to the other what they desire out of the need to be part of it. For both"
? AJSpans_moonbeam_of_light says, "*looks to Knight8"
VanChasers_angell says, "well said Sly"
VanChasers_angell says, "<---is thankful for VanChaser "
toyresa says, "i agree with that Sly"
? TheKnightMaster says, "or He may be Switch and not be able to admit it........"
toyresa says, "what i got out of it was that i pleased him even though i got no personal pleasure"
? AJSpans_moonbeam_of_light says, "agrees with both Majical and Knight.."
? TheKnightMaster says, "to Himself or O/others"
toyresa says, "from inflicting those things
" toyresa says, "i also agree withtat switch stement"
VanChasers_angell says, "question..in cases like what toy is talking about,,,does that mean because the Dom has desires makes Him less a Dom?"
toyresa says, "it is in the back of my thoughts when i scene with him"
MajicaL_SLYhawk says, "every one has there own personal likes and dislikes there is no absolutes in this"
? AJSpans_moonbeam_of_light says, "not at all angell...for switching is very common in Real life..more so then just one sided relationships as in here in yahell or hatever...."
MajicaL_SLYhawk says, "some want all Dom some want part"
VanChasers_angell says, "smiles."
toyresa says, "the entire time it happens feel like i am disrespecting him to the utmost"
toyresa says, "i just realized something"
VanChasers_angell says, "whats that toy?"
toyresa says, "i am betraying my innermost self when i do him that favor"
MajicaL_SLYhawk says, "yep"
? AJSpans_moonbeam_of_light says, "toy..you wouldnt consider yourself a switch would you...for it is true..if one is a sub..then put into a situation of control..sure they can control..but the after effects of it..makes them feel worse....i mean..even i know what that is like...for yes you were in control....but you feel like you should have never done that, or never hurt him..and feel almost sorryful"
toyresa says, "i am setting side my innermost needs to please his needs"
toyresa says, "s o although i ma physically Domming him"
toyresa says, "i am still a sub"
VanChasers_angell says, "hmmm....but we as subs please our Dom's"
? AJSpans_moonbeam_of_light says, "exactly toy..you are a sub.."
MajicaL_SLYhawk says, "have felt the opposite toy"
MajicaL_SLYhawk says, "I scened online being sub.. just could not do it."
toyresa says, "yes i do feel worse afterwards"
Your buddy vanchaser is in chat MajicaL_SLYhawk says, "was sooo angry with nyself after."
MajicaL_SLYhawk says, "Lafff"
toyresa says, "i usauly have one of the worst tension headache ever"
MajicaL_SLYhawk says, "have to learn that one I guess"
? AJSpans_moonbeam_of_light says, "angell..let me ask yo something..about that...and it works both ways for the Master as well....if a Master is not a sub..and is but into a situation of submitting to a sub it can be very damaging.....same with a sub.....if a sub is asked to dominate.....the feelings they get withen after the scene..are worse"
VanChasers_angell says, "yes i guess i agree light..."
? TheKnightMaster says, "question...."
? AJSpans_moonbeam_of_light says, "for you are doing something out of either a favor, or experiment..or whatever..that you can not do.."
MajicaL_SLYhawk says, "But in retrospect it is good to know what one feels inside"
? AJSpans_moonbeam_of_light says, "yes Knight?"
? TheKnightMaster says, "thee keeps saying.................asked......."
toyresa says, "listens to KM"
VanChasers_angell says, "listening"
? TheKnightMaster says, "if asked that impies choice........."
? AJSpans_moonbeam_of_light says, "exactly even if it is only one..time Majical.."
? TheKnightMaster says, "implies"
? TheKnightMaster says, "so......"
Your buddy vanchaser leaves chat toyresa says, "ah ... i feel obligated to do as my friend 'asks'like i dont have a choice i am to do as the Master asks"
? TheKnightMaster says, "if asked..........and one has never done so.....they explore themselves on e first time...."
? TheKnightMaster says, "and can decide to deline the next time...."
MajicaL_SLYhawk says, "yes"
MajicaL_SLYhawk says, "one must be bold"
? AJSpans_moonbeam_of_light says, "Your right Knight.....the key word is a choice....but out of friendship or favor, or explorations..ect..one does feel obligated to..and as a sub...it is almost as if...subcounsciously always want to please..."
MajicaL_SLYhawk says, "and adventuresome in all things"
toyresa says, "laughs at toy the great pretender bold one"
? TheKnightMaster says, "if asked...one has a choice........"
MajicaL_SLYhawk says, "and if told to do it then still have the chopice"
? AJSpans_moonbeam_of_light says, "i agree with you Knight..one always has a choice."
toyresa says, "a subbmisive feels obligated a tthe whim of a Master"
VanChasers_angell says, "aways willing to please and experiment...but i do not feel that would be damaging"
Your buddy vanchaser is in chat toyresa says, "my Dad is a submissive"
VanChasers_angell says, "".
VanChasers_angell says, "hello love"
MajicaL_SLYhawk says, "and if ordered to do it one still has the choice only its harder to say or do the no thing".
? TheKnightMaster says, "I try to phrase my request as request and orders as order........." .
VanChasers_angell says, "kiss's and huggs".
? AJSpans_moonbeam_of_light says, "greetings VanChaser..nice to see You again Sir..*smiles*".
? AJSpans_moonbeam_of_light says, "welcome back Master..*smiles8"
. toyresa says, "i learned early in my life to never express an interestin an expensive item". ? TheKnightMaster says, "it eliminates assumptions." .
AJSpan_99 says, "ty dear".
VanChasers_angell says, "wb AJ".
VanChaser says, "Greets A/all "
toyresa says, "or the fammily went without even food sometimes"
? TheKnightMaster says, "Greetings VC....."
VanChasers_angell says, "hugs and hugs and hugs....." toyresa says, "welcomes M Vanchaser"
? AJSpans_moonbeam_of_light says, "but Knight that is one of the things that is an interesting debate..for as a sub..sometimes..out of obligation to those whom we respect love honor...we will fufil the request even if we dont agree with it..just for the matter of pleasing..i dont agree with this at all..but it is a common trend"
? TheKnightMaster says, "and is what I was leading up to....."
toyresa says, "i treeat all requests as an order"
? TheKnightMaster says, "the Dom...should discuss with the sub.all aspects of the relationship at intervals.."
toyresa says, "and many subbies do teh same"
? TheKnightMaster says, "to learn what his ub thinks of how things are."
? TheKnightMaster says, "of what the sub has learned of themselves...."
AJSpan_99 is back.
? TheKnightMaster says, "wb AJ" toyresa says, "agrees with that KM" ? AJSpans_moonbeam_of_light says, "wb Master..*smiles*"
toyresa says, "wb KM" VanChasers_angell says, "wb AJ" AJSpan_99 says, "thanks A/all" toyresa says, "oops wb AJ" MajicaL_SLYhawk says, "You can not discuss all issues"
? AJSpans_moonbeam_of_light says, "Knight You are right....but so is toy..for subs..do treat requests as orders.."
AJSpan_99 says, "forgotthe status"
? TheKnightMaster says, "did that prior wordmess age come out as understandable?"
VanChasers_angell says, "light,,,can you give VanChaser a quick overview what the topic is?"
? AJSpans_moonbeam_of_light says, "yes Knight we understood.."
? TheKnightMaster says, "damn I need a typist"
MajicaL_SLYhawk says, "some need to be honored and intuitavelly understood for that expereince"
? TheKnightMaster says, "I know they do."
? TheKnightMaster says, "but that is what I am saying........"
? TheKnightMaster says, "toy doesnt like to Dom..."
? AJSpans_moonbeam_of_light says, "VanChaser..topic is BDSM and vanilla...we explored if the sub teaches the Master is there a control......if BDSM and vanilla works........those whom have vanilla couples are thy cheating........"
? TheKnightMaster says, "and should be able to discuss that freely with Him...."
toyresa says, "a Master who stops a scene before the sub cries the safe word is a good Master in my mind"
MajicaL_SLYhawk says, "But that had to be understood intuitavely"
VanChasers_angell says, "agrees with toy"
toyresa says, "if he senses she is going too far just to please him"
VanChasers_angell says, "all about trust"
toyresa says, "and he stops he builds her trust"
? TheKnightMaster says, "for that is a part of her nature as sub and the dom ids tearing the fabric.if but only a little......."
toyresa says, "not that he has to stop evry time"
toyresa says, "just sometimes"
MajicaL_SLYhawk says, "I have difficulty with absolutes"
MajicaL_SLYhawk says, "they tend to get in the way"
toyresa says, "becaus ee then she will rust him to take it thenext step"
? TheKnightMaster says, "a good Dom toy.......knows when to stop......"
MajicaL_SLYhawk says, "they infer right and wrong"
MajicaL_SLYhawk says, "and all of these are relative"
toyresa says, "thee is only right and wrong for the ones invovled"
? AJSpans_moonbeam_of_light says, "not alway Knight.....for accidents do happen..but yet...that is where precautions come int.."
MajicaL_SLYhawk says, "to say that there is this right way of doping things precludes that if ione does not do it thast way then theuy arre wrong"
MajicaL_SLYhawk says, "thats very personal I think"
? TheKnightMaster says, "I did not mean it that way........sorry....will rephrase it........."
toyresa says, "begs evrybodies pardon but i have reached exhaustian now"
MajicaL_SLYhawk says, "Good"
MajicaL_SLYhawk says, "Huggs my toy friend"
MajicaL_SLYhawk says, "you have sweeet dreams"
VanChasers_angell says, "huggles for toy...bw sis...sleep well"
toyresa says, "husg my bestest online friend Sly"
MajicaL_SLYhawk says, "and Ni Ni toy" toyresa says, "husg da angell" AJSpan_99 says, "sleep well toy"
? TheKnightMaster says, "as I each pair stes their own limits.rules(guideline)"
? TheKnightMaster says, "be well toy.........."
toyresa says, "hugs da AJ and moonbeam" VanChasers_angell says, "see you soon..." ? AJSpans_moonbeam_of_light says, "wishes you well toy..have a wonderful evning.."
toyresa says, "hugs KM night" ? AJSpans_moonbeam_of_light says, "thanks for comming toy..*smiles*"
toyresa says, "hugs da VC night" VanChaser says, "hugs for toy.. sorry I didn't arrive earlier"
? TheKnightMaster says, "damn typist is out" toyresa says, "no prob Sir" MajicaL_SLYhawk says, "Yeaaa toy broke the ice and made it to a meeting" VanChasers_angell says, "take care sissy...." MajicaL_SLYhawk says, "and she lived" toyresa says, "is the scroll to be saved by any chance?"
? TheKnightMaster says, "well."
toyresa says, "wel half teh time am in great hallof bdsm having similar discusions"
MajicaL_SLYhawk says, "Lafffsss" MajicaL_SLYhawk says, "allways meeting eh toy"
? AJSpans_moonbeam_of_light says, "*smiles*..that was the first time she came...glad you did toy.."
toyresa says, "yah darn keeps me out of trouble"
VanChasers_angell says, "lol" ? TheKnightMaster says, "am off as well........."
? AJSpans_moonbeam_of_light says, "well toy..you are always welcome back..would love to have you again..and topics change each week..and you know you get plently of mail on it" ? TheKnightMaster says, "be well A/all......." toyresa says, "no trouble no spanks" TheKnightMaster leaves Your buddy theknightmaster leaves chat ? AJSpans_moonbeam_of_light says, "wishes You well Knight and talk to me if needed" toyresa says, "am my own worst eneama" MajicaL_SLYhawk says, "Keep brionging you to all these wonderfull experiences" ? AJSpans_moonbeam_of_light says, ".o0(shit)" VanChasers_angell says, "trouble...word is not in my vocab lol" ? AJSpans_moonbeam_of_light says, "forgive me for that" MajicaL_SLYhawk says, "will have to meet rl touy" toyresa says, "yup" toyresa says, "bring a paddle lol" MajicaL_SLYhawk says, "Feather duster and rope" MajicaL_SLYhawk says, "LOL" VanChasers_angell says, "theres that feather thing again lol" toyresa says, "plants a flower in da fertilzer word" MajicaL_SLYhawk says, "Organics" AJSpan_99 says, "smiles" toyresa says, "nods off" MajicaL_SLYhawk says, "toy" toyresa says, "ni night now" VanChasers_angell says, "wow...am getting tried now can feel it creeping....lol" VanChasers_angell says, "good night toy" MajicaL_SLYhawk says, "Get to sleep" VanChasers_angell says, " " toyresa says, "where si Wookie wheni needs him" MajicaL_SLYhawk says, "sleep oty" MajicaL_SLYhawk says, "NOW" AJSpan_99 says, "go to bed then dear angell" toyresa says, "otay" MajicaL_SLYhawk says, "Ni Ni" toyresa leaves VanChasers_angell says, "climbs to her loves lap and climbs up and lays head on his shoulder...." MajicaL_SLYhawk says, "It's only 1:00 am here" MajicaL_SLYhawk says, "not like you have over there you insomniacs" ? AJSpans_moonbeam_of_light says, "lucky you Majical...4am here..woo hoo"
MajicaL_SLYhawk says, "yep"
MajicaL_SLYhawk says, "he he he"
VanChaser says, "5am.. and I'll raise you $20 ;-P"
VanChasers_angell says, "2 am here..wow good thing i don't work tomorrow"
MajicaL_SLYhawk says, "Yea sure"
? AJSpans_moonbeam_of_light says, "<--insomniac"
VanChasers_angell says, "lol 3 am here..lol"
MajicaL_SLYhawk says, "double and call" AJSpan_99 says, "its only 10 am here"
MajicaL_SLYhawk says, "Good Morning in England then"
VanChasers_angell says, "wow AJ beat us all"
MajicaL_SLYhawk says, "From Vancouver"
AJSpan_99 says, "bit more to the east SLykawk"
MajicaL_SLYhawk says, "oh" AJSpan_99 says, "Holland" MajicaL_SLYhawk says, "Oh yes" ? AJSpans_moonbeam_of_light says, "Shit..."
MajicaL_SLYhawk says, "you said that" ? AJSpans_moonbeam_of_light says, "'Will be right Back A/all..please excuse me for a min" AJSpan_99 says, "looks at light" Your buddy theknightmaster has gone off pager MajicaL_SLYhawk says, "organics again" *** isn't online right now. ? AJSpans_moonbeam_of_light says, ".o0(fuck).." ? AJSpans_moonbeam_of_light says, "sorry...A/all..." VanChasers_angell says, "OMG light...." MajicaL_SLYhawk says, "well" AJSpan_99 says, "light" VanChasers_angell says, "are you ok?" ? AJSpans_moonbeam_of_light says, "please excuse me A/all..was a little insident in another room..but too late now"
? AJSpans_moonbeam_of_light says, "i am fine...."
MajicaL_SLYhawk says, "that adds a whole different dimension to thios topic tyhis evening" MajicaL_SLYhawk says, "Is it your friend again" MajicaL_SLYhawk says, "Knight" VanChasers_angell says, "hmmm" ? AJSpans_moonbeam_of_light says, "well..sort of thinking that topic was ending anyway.." ? AJSpans_moonbeam_of_light says, "no comment Majical..." MajicaL_SLYhawk says, "yep" ? AJSpans_moonbeam_of_light says, "that is all right..everything is fine now.." ? AJSpans_moonbeam_of_light says, "so...what was the finally of BDSM and vanilla..another topic without an answer?" ? AJSpans_moonbeam_of_light says, "finale that should be" MajicaL_SLYhawk says, "they dont mix well" MajicaL_SLYhawk says, "they dont bake well together" MajicaL_SLYhawk says, "and the bread it makes seems to be wanting of nutrition" VanChaser says, "I wouldn't see how (long term).. but I missed the argument to the contrary" MajicaL_SLYhawk says, "there thats the finale" ? AJSpans_moonbeam_of_light says, "i like the imagery Majical...lol.." MajicaL_SLYhawk says, "Thanks" MajicaL_SLYhawk Smilesa ? AJSpans_moonbeam_of_light says, "VanChaser..can always send You a copy if You would like....keep one of all of the meetings..if not when geociteies works..highlights willb e up there" AJSpan_99 says, "contamplates on what is said" VanChaser says, "I do review the highlights...." VanChasers_angell says, "light what is next weeks meeting about?" ? AJSpans_moonbeam_of_light says, "geocities for some reason hasnt been working all week..keep trying to put up last weeks ones but it wont accept it.." ? AJSpans_moonbeam_of_light says, "well for wed we are going to try it again BDSM in literature and movies..but dont have one for Thrus" MajicaL_SLYhawk says, "hmmm" MajicaL_SLYhawk says, "dont see many movies like that" MajicaL_SLYhawk says, "yhave to look for that I guess" VanChasers_angell says, "smiles" VanChaser says, "That is because holywood producers only add BDSM for ratngs or atmosphere, for the most part" ? AJSpans_moonbeam_of_light says, "well Majical think of 8 mm, general daughter, strangeland (which i recommend..really sick)..there is many stereotypical views of BDSM...not talking about pornos..that is another al together" MajicaL_SLYhawk says, "thanks" MajicaL_SLYhawk says, "will have to look those up" MajicaL_SLYhawk says, "if I dont run away some more" MajicaL_SLYhawk says, "lafff" MajicaL_SLYhawk says, "Well be well A/all" ? AJSpans_moonbeam_of_light says, "just say Dee Sniders..Strange Land....it is a movie about how the internet can turn deadly he is a sadist who lures kids into his torture chamber" VanChasers_angell says, "bw Sly..take care" AJSpan_99 says, "be well Slyhawk" MajicaL_SLYhawk says, "it's obviously a couples show now" MajicaL_SLYhawk says, "and so I roam" VanChaser says, "bw Slyhawk" ? AJSpans_moonbeam_of_light says, "very well Majical...nice to see You again..wishes You well..have a nice night..and thanks for comming " MajicaL_SLYhawk says, "hey my pleasure" MajicaL_SLYhawk waves as he soars the hell out of here... LOL Your buddy majical_slyhawk leaves chat MajicaL_SLYhawk leaves ? AJSpans_moonbeam_of_light says, "*looks around*" ? AJSpans_moonbeam_of_light says, "well seems meeting is a journed" VanChaser says, "Grrrr another topic missed" VanChasers_angell says, "smiles...again just us" ? AJSpans_moonbeam_of_light says, "Master...never introduced You to Vanchaser...Vanchaser this is Master..Master Vanchaser..they are both very good friends of mine" VanChasers_angell says, "smiles" AJSpan_99 says, "Greetings Van Chaser" AJSpan_99 says, "but we have met a few times in the rooms" ? AJSpans_moonbeam_of_light says, "oh...*smiles*.." AJSpan_99 says, "smiles" VanChaser says, "Greetings... we have met.. but never received such a formal introduction till now " VanChasers_angell says, "its hard to remember names.." ? AJSpans_moonbeam_of_light says, "VanChasers are really good friends..can rely on them both....*smiles*.." VanChasers_angell says, "smiles...yes light,,and you are a very good friend to us" AJSpan_99 says, "aspecialy dear angel , when they are changed a lot" VanChaser says, "We both are empathetic people by nature... so it is only natural we'll help, if need be." VanChasers_angell says, "yes,,,well we keep the same names never change " AJSpan_99 says, "smiles" AJSpan_99 says, "well help is needed alot in yahoo" AJSpan_99 says, "only not given by manny" VanChasers_angell says, "yes,,and some take on way to much.." AJSpan_99 says, "was in the BDSM suportline roomthe other day" AJSpan_99 says, "and it has change into a regular room" VanChaser says, "That's just it.. to balance self-wellbeing with helping of others.. and picking those that you feel are in genuine need." VanChasers_angell says, "they all seem to change....it depends on whos there.." ? AJSpans_moonbeam_of_light says, "sorry A/all..pops back in" VanChasers_angell says, "wb light.." AJSpan_99 says, "wb dear" VanChaser says, "Its the nature of groups.. the dynamics change with the participants" ? AJSpans_moonbeam_of_light says, "thank Y/you A/all..*smiles*" ? AJSpans_moonbeam_of_light says, "scrolls up a bit" AJSpan_99 says, "well Sir i belive its lack of repect" Your buddy thehungrytiger has gone off pager ? AJSpans_moonbeam_of_light says, "more then just lack of respect but that is certainly a big one...*sighs*" AJSpan_99 says, "for there should be a place for new to be able to ask without being feeled ignored" VanChasers_angell says, "see's alot of disrespect lately in the rooms" ? AJSpans_moonbeam_of_light says, "and also that fact that no one respects each others differences" AJSpan_99 says, "because of regulars cooming in and taking over the place" VanChaser says, "Its like a wolfpack... as the leaders change.. the direction the group heads also changes.. Most in the pack, mearly follow" AJSpan_99 says, "i guess so Sir" AJSpan_99 says, "thats why i am not often in the regular rooms" VanChasers_angell says, "yes should be somewhere for new ppl to able to ask questions and not be treated like trolls" ? AJSpans_moonbeam_of_light says, "too many just follow..but they follow the wrong crowds.." AJSpan_99 says, "i am not a folower" ? AJSpans_moonbeam_of_light says, ".o0(and at nights..Master is with me...*smiles*)" AJSpan_99 says, "smiles at light" AJSpan_99 says, "thats one place dear i love to be" ? AJSpans_moonbeam_of_light says, "well BDSM support is a good one..when i open up the room of Peace..that is a good one too.." VanChasers_angell says, "yes i know the feeling light..." VanChaser says, "1) no need to call me Sir.. makes me feel OLD ;-) Van is fine (and easy to type)" ? AJSpans_moonbeam_of_light says, "*smiles at Master....*" ? AJSpans_moonbeam_of_light says, "ack...the dog...brb A/all..have to go see what he is barking at.." AJSpans_moonbeam_of_light is away (be right back) VanChaser says, "2) Nothing wrong with being a leader in a room.... just be flexible and respect that Your opinions may not be agreed with by A/all" AJSpans_moonbeam_of_light is back. ? AJSpans_moonbeam_of_light says, "pops back in.." ? AJSpans_moonbeam_of_light says, "sorry" AJSpan_99 says, "wb dear" AJSpan_99 says, "hope you didnt kcik him" VanChaser says, "Dog barking at shadow?"

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