New Member
Posts: 9
(5/20/01 4:07:25 pm)
I found this website when I was searching for A*TEENS sites. Please check it out. I'd post the article on here, but that could get me banned. Here's the URL: www.oocities.org/bad/bad/counter.tsk
Awful huh? Edited by: Zee at: 5/25/01 5:58:13 pm
^The Devil^
Posts: 28
(5/20/01 5:23:54 pm)
Hehe, that's my friends site. Yeah he was pretty rude, but as ABBA fan I must say he's not THAT wrong. It's not what he says but the way he says it. But yeah, it was unnecesary rude.
Leslie
"I'd give it all up, just for you Just to have you with me I'd give it all up, just for you You bring mr up, bring mr down Turn me inside out I'd give it all up, just for you"
Unregistered User
(5/20/01 5:31:10 pm)
What?!!!
Thats horrible!!!!How could anyone critizice them like that!
The Legend
Posts: 61
(5/20/01 5:36:13 pm)
yeah it's very rude of him!
Unregistered User
(5/20/01 6:07:48 pm)
crappy criticism
my advice is just 2 ignore that jerk. i like ABBA 2, but he had no rite 2 do that. some songs should/could b approved upon. if u notice, the article is sooo way old, he's talking about the vids 4 mamma mia, gimmie 3x, & super trouper. plus, he obviously didn't do his research. he called marie sara. besides, if he new n e better, he'd take it as a compliment that some1 would want 2 cover ABBA. n e who, that's just my opinion. =w= =w= =w=
Fan Fic Man
Posts: 9
(5/20/01 6:20:51 pm)
Re: crappy
criticism
It seems that article took a long time: conclusion:
he has no life
Member
Posts: 27
(5/20/01 6:24:02 pm)
re: jay cee
tee
i absolutley, totally, agree w/u. btw> does ur name mean what i think it does??? if so, that's my husband ur messing wit. j/k lol
keep the weez alive!!! =w= =w= =w=
Unregistered User
(5/20/01 6:47:01 pm)
What an as*
hole!
What a total creep! Seriously, if he doesn't like teen pop music (which he doesn't) he shouldn't review it because no matter what, the album will get a bad review! The only thing I agree with is that the girls shouldn't have been smiling when they sang certain lines of "Mamma Mia". But still that guy sucks!
Member
Posts: 22
(5/20/01 6:52:28 pm)
Re: OMG This is
horrible! All TRUE A*TEENS fans read..
He's such a hypocryte. First he says that if he had a band, he'd cover ABBA, then he says he won't, and insults the A*Teens for doing so.
WhAtEvEr
*Just ignore the haters*
~~Evan~~
Unregistered User
(5/20/01 11:44:32 pm)
OMG This is horrible!
ALL TRUE A*Teens fans read..
They shouldn't do that!!!!! even if they do hate A*Teens that much!!! The only person that i take that kind of crap from is my mom's friend, bcause i know that he is j/k with me!!! :mad:
Amazing Ally
Posts: 33
(5/21/01 8:04:42 pm)
Re: OMG This is
horrible! ALL TRUE A*Teens fans read..
That e-mail is over the top! I know ppl have there own view! BUT still, that is over the top! The swearing an all! I mean i am 15 and i am out after midnight and i have a bf that is 2 / 3 years older then me! I certainly know what batrale is!
Well, we cant do anything can we!
Luv Ally
Unregistered User
(5/21/01 8:45:14 pm)
Here's an
idea!
All I have to say is...if you have nothing nice to say about someone DON'T SAY IT!!! That can hurt people or turn arguments into horrible fights. I believe people like that should be ignored because if we criticize them harshly, we'd be doing exaclty what he is.
*~*~*~*~*
"Reach for the Sky, because if you should happen to miss, you'll still be among the stars"
Member
Posts: 17
(5/21/01 8:52:01 pm)
I've just read the article. Maybe you guys will hate for this, but i liked that article. No, of course I don't agree with it, but I have to asmit that the author of the article has point in some things, and he (or she??) has a full and thoughtout conclusion of he's (her???) feelings. No the problem resides somwhere else.
You know, here are strange things. The old AbbA fans (which is not the 15 years old audience) can be devided into two parts: the fist part is happy, becouse they can hear the good old songs again, however the other half HATE the A*Teens. And I can accept both feelings, even the HATER's feelings... yes, to be honest, when somebody remixes a good old song, I don't like it. However, I wasn't that big ABBA fan, and I like the remixes made by the A-Teens. And my father (who's teenage-years were parallel with AbbA) likes them too. THis looks good...but there's a problem: in most of the foreign countries, english is not spoken by everyone. My father hasn't got a clue what these songs are about. He, and his generation loved the songs for something else, not becouse of the purpose of the songs. Interesting, isn't?
You know after I've read the article, my first thought wasn't to kill the author. Be honest to yourself, and you will admit that the author is right in some things. Yes, the girls smile in wrong places...yes, true. They present the songs without their real meanings? YES, TRUE. The truth is that they just sing those songs...yes, true. The author feels himself (herself???) offended, becouse he (she???) misses the original AbbA feeling, the thought behind the songs, and sees only 4 bouncing around teenagers. True.
Conclusion:
I don't think that I'm a smaller fan just becouse admited what is true. Do you know why? Becouse I can't tell you why do I like this band, this is why I never replied to topics like "why do you like the A-teens". I just like them, I don't know the answer. This is similar when you meet a girl, fall in love, and you can't tell why. This is called real love. Though I admit that the author is right in some places, it won't affect my relation to the band. That's an opinion too. I won't be a bigger fan, if I'd write that the author is an @sshole, or things like that. That article makes sence, however it was unnecessary rude, and the author didn't use right words in most cases. This is the only thing I can critizize.
I can't stand the music of Marlilyn Manson, I could write down why, but would it affect his(her???) fans? I highly doubt.
Sorry for the big essay.
Member
Posts: 25
(5/21/01 9:03:01 pm)
If you want to share what you think of that website e-mail the website owner@ melg@oocities.com
every1 has their opinions share it with that person
e-mail the WEBOWNER THAT WROTE THAT ARTICLE
melg@oocities.com
Liz
Unregistered User
(5/22/01 12:11:34 am)
Now is my turn to
post an idea...
I agree with you Zenon, if you have nothing good to say, don't say anything. And I also agree with Amit's Dancing Queen, if you disagree with him, tell him. BUT you people have to remember NO ONE MADE YOU READ THAT, so, if everyone's entitled to an opinion, he established his, and we didn't have to read it and get all worked up. So...why doesn't anyone just write a very nice article about A-Teens in your site and post the address here. Then we'd get to see that one and we'd be even.
Mellow Yellow
Posts: 8
(5/22/01 12:37:29 am)
That's nasty!
How could someone possibly write something like that? In my opinion, that person should keep his comments to himself. I didn't like it at all and that part about Amit not being white and the comment made was really racist!
That's my opinion!
Steve G.
"And I say hey hey hey it's just an ordinary day, and it's all
your state of mind..." ~Great Big Sea
Visit: .:a*teens canada:. for the best
in Canadian A*Teens coverage!
Unregistered User
(5/22/01 1:19:25 am)
I did that...
as soon as I finished reading the article, I e-mail him/her? right away! I didn't say anything mean to that person though...I just defending A*Teens I'm telling him/her that they didn't write the song (they are cover band duh) so maybe they won't be relating to the song right? And the videos... the directors do the scenes, they didn't get to pick how it gonna be like and stuff like that...
Unregistered User
(5/22/01 4:02:59 am)
HAHAHA
HAHA. OMG. Obviously someone who doesnt "like" the A*Teens sure likes to talk about them. He has way too much time on his hands. Don't worry about it, true fans will stick behind there admirers. And believe me, that pathetic display of poor webpage is just a cry for attention. He's just jealous cause he doesnt have anyone to pay attention to him. Cause ya know....A*TEENS RULE!!!
Later,
~Dustin~
Dhani and Sara ROCK!
Member
Posts: 19
(5/22/01 8:05:55 pm)
Duh. Now you guys can imagine how hard to be an A-Teens fan in my country. If you visit a forum in my country and do a serch on the A-Teens, you will find ONLY WORSE replies and posts about them than the mentioned article. They are very unpopular in Hungary. Maybe I didn't feel this article so rude, becouse the ones I've read already...well, you probably don't want to hear them.
I won't write an e-mail to the author, and if I can give an advice, I'd recommend the same to you guys. It's in vain. I see very little possibility to convince the author about the opposite, and in addition, do not forget that the article is minimum 2-3 years old. It's folly to argue in old things, but of course this is only my opinion.
Anyways I think he got no clue how many fans this band has. I suspect more then he has.
Unregistered User
(5/22/01 8:47:55 pm)
Oh god...
What a stupid @#%$!!! How old is this person?? 12, 13?? He (maybe it’s a she) must be since he thinks Amit’s only in the band because he’s black (@#%$ racist) and make fun of someone because they have bad grammar, oh pleas…What this person wrote on his page show how ignorant he is, he should keep his mouth shut because he know absolutely nothing about The A-teens. And why does he still hate them now when they have stopped doing Abba covers??
Another thing that annoy me is that he judge the A-teens after their personalities, it’s ok to judge their music, but pleas don’t get personal. He talks about the A-teens like they were Hitler, Himmler, Göring and Borman or something…jesus they just got the chance to do what all teenager dream about it’s not a crime is it??
The Angel
Posts: 21
(5/22/01 8:52:26 pm)
it is horrible, but it's an opinion... freedom of speech is a part of the US and everyone here is entitled to it. he(she?) can say stuff like that if he wants to and no one can stop him... e-mailing him is just making him happy. he wants to upset people... he wants you to be angry. you're just giving him what he wants. i don't recommend e-mailing him. he'll probably just keep on trying to make you mad if you do.
Member
Posts: 20
(5/22/01 9:27:11 pm)
Karin...
Don't get mad of an old article. When this article got written, the A*Teens were doing abba covers...maybe I answered your question.
I admit that (i don't remember who said it before me) that the author attack the wrong people. Not the A*Teens make the videoclips nor even decide what to wear, where to go on tours, etc. Everyone who has brain knows that.
Anyways I think the 3 million sold records speak instead of us.
The author said that he/she was planning to do the covers too...what a shame that we can't hear the results...or watch a videoclip...maybe than we could learn where to smile. Duh.
Member
Posts: 16
(5/23/01 1:06:55 am)
Re: OMG This is
horrible! All TRUE A*TEENS fans read..
OMG WHAT THE f*** IS UP WITH THAT DUDE????? THAT IS SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO RUDE, AND HOORIBILE. NOW ONE DESERVES TO BURN IN HELL FOR ETRERINTY. I JUST EMAILED HIM AND I REALLY LET MY MOUTH GO ON THAT ONE.
"wishing you the best, pray that you are blessed, lots of sucsess, no stress and los of happiness (i'm better than that) i'm not blast you on the radio (i'm better than that) i'm not gon lie you and your family (i'm better than that) i'm not hate you in the magazine (i'm better than that) i'm not compramise my chistiantiy (i'm better than that, you know i'm not gon diss you on the internet cause my moma taught me better than that.
Edited by: smilie04 at: 5/23/01 1:16:25 amUnregistered User
(5/23/01 1:10:40 am)
That is soooooooo MEAN
!!!!!!!!
That was AWFUL!!!! who evey wrote that is like way sick . no efence to your to your friend but thats just mean
Unregistered User
(5/23/01 2:08:33 am)
I am not mad anymore, I was pissed at first though! Yeah, its his opinion. I don't think he made any racist remarks...I think he was saying that Amit was put in the band so they would look better(so the band was more diverse) anyhow he said some rude things, but a lot was sorta...funny, actually.
Member
Posts: 16
(5/23/01 5:53:15 am)
If he doesn't like them so much, then why does he know so much about them?!? That was totally uncaled for and rude!!!
We're gonna keep on rockin' all through the night We're comin' out to watch the world pass us by And we'll be stayin' here for a while Coz' we'll be rockin' til' the end of time
Member
Posts: 21
(5/23/01 8:12:13 am)
Well as you probably noticed the author updated his page becouse os the new e-mails. If you go and read what he wrote, you will see that writing e-mails are in vain, and in addition, the author makes fun of the whole community!
He posted HIS OWN opinion in HIS OWN website, so you don't have to be so angry. He did it in his own webpage, he didn't come here to write rude thing nor any other a-teens websites. And it is not our business what he's doing in his own house.
If you continue writing e-mail in the same style as his article, it will only result in that he posts everything in his webpage, making fun of every a-teens fan, and that will definetly hurt the band. So don't do that buddies.
A*Teens Freak
Posts: 82
(5/23/01 9:03:50 am)
Re: OMG This is
horrible! All TRUE A*TEENS fans read..
AHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Unregistered User
(5/23/01 11:16:49 pm)
I didn't even read the entire article or the replies. If anyone can get me an e-mail address, we won't have any more problems with this f*cker. By the way, I like the little sister in Lost in Space!
Unregistered User
(5/24/01 3:57:12 am)
I checked
back....
*LOL* I checked back at this guy's website and read all his new comments. He is really too pathetic to take seriously...and all you people writing to him, you are giving him what he wants...attention!!!
We all know A-Teens rock! So we do not need him to like them. We are more than enough and A-Teens are getting new fans everywhere!!! We all love them!!!
So please...get over it and stop paying attention to this pathetic little boy!!!
Unregistered User
(5/24/01 1:03:25 pm)
Listen to Dennis Leary some time and find me the "Polite" bits.
Unregistered User
(5/24/01 1:17:59 pm)
Oh my god, I've been
called "Pathetic"...
by someone with the screen name "Britney".
Oh I'm so ashamed.
And yeah, you're right. I DO want attention, that's why I bought the domain name. That's why my site is so advertised all over the net. That's why I'm on so many "TopSites" lists.
Wait a minute...
I'm on GeoCities...
I'm not on any TopSites lists...
I don't advertise my site...
It's only had 250 hits in its 5-year history...
Gee I guess I'm NOT in it for the attention. It must be that I just wanted a place to put my stuff. If anyone cares to read it, fine, but I haven't been shoving it in people's faces. If they stumble on it great, but I'm not out there hunting for readership.
Other replies:
Leelsuv: Actually BOTH girls seem to have been called Sara. I'm not sure how it happened, but I'm fixing it now.
Jay Cee Tee, Prep: It took me about ten minutes, and I do have a life.
MrEv: Yes, I said I'd cover ABBA myself if I had a band. The difference is that I would make my whole career out of it.
Karin:
"What a stupid @#%$!!! How old is this person?? 12, 13?? ": 30
"...bad grammar...show how ignorant he is": What grammar errors are you referring to?
"why does he still hate them now when they have stopped doing Abba covers": That page is OLD kids, I don't actively maintain it because the A*Teens are not exactly a top priority for me, as you may have guessed.
Fenicks:
"If anyone can get me an e-mail address, we won't have any more problems with this f*cker.": Oh yeah, you'll really put me in my place... melg@oocities.com, come get some.
Member
Posts: 22
(5/24/01 2:44:14 pm)
Hmmm...
Well well, now we have something to discuss here at least...
For MelGruber:
Hunting for grammer mistakes is not big hard, becouse most of the people here are not native english-speakers like you.
About the article: I've posted it already that this is YOUR opinion in YOUR website so who cares? This whole situation is kinda weird for me. This whole argument and the e-mails are becouse of someone, who never came here to dish the band just posted an opinion in the other and of the world...
However some notices about the article:
-You blame the 4 band members for everything. Most of the things you mentioned are not their "fault". You are not a baby, so I'm sure you can fully understand that a huge Company stands behind them, and controls every single movement. So I think you should hate the Music Companies instead of the band members. Believe me they are responsible for the dancing and singing only. However -as far as I remember- you didn't have problems with these.
-You are comparing the A*Teens to ABBA, that makes sence first. However you forgot one thing, that is important: the destination audience. Yes, the destination audeince is the 15-16 years old teenagers. And not the 30+ years old adults. Don't forget this one, becouse it's important. They -nor the record company- never said that they want to reproduce the whole ABBA feeling. The old hits got new cloth, to make them closer to young people. The band presents what young people need (kids for you). And according to the 3 million sold hits, looks like this is exactly what they need.
I admire your opinion, and since you are a big ABBA fan, i don't try to convince you. I just want you to understand that you took the whole thing too serious, like the ones who wrote e-mails to you. Noone wanted to disgrace the memory of ABBA. I know you think that, however it's not true. You have points in some things, however you are a little off-track. This band is mostly for the teenagers. Or you try to find purpose in fairytales too? I don't think so.
I'm finished.
Unregistered User
(5/24/01 3:01:39 pm)
A*Teens vs. its
members
I don't blame the members of the band for everything, but they are the public face the record execs have chosen. They are the outward appearance of the A*Teens, so they are going to catch the most flak.
When I refer to the A*Teens, I refer to the whole band, including the puppeteers, the men behind the curtain. The whole thing is one big product in my eyes, so don't think I'm attacking the individual singers who are living out every kid's dream, and you're right, I've never attacked their performance, except my opinion that the "Supa-pa Troupa-pa" seems a bit deep for someone whose voice hasn't changed yet, and is probably not them at all. Having not seen them dance, I refrain from comment on that front as well.
As for attacking the members. I may attack the CHOICE of the members as being contrived diversity, but I never said that the singers chose themselves. Likewise I may attack the behavior of the members in the videos as ill-fitting the material, but I never said that Marie and Sara chose the goofy, smiley facial expressions they wear while singing about heartbreak. The directors and producers are as much a part of the A*Teens as the singers, and so they fall under the very "A*Teens" umbrella which I despise.
As for 15 year olds vs 30 year olds. Yes ABBA would be enjoyed by older people NOW, but subtract 20-30 years to when the songs were released, and I think you'll see that they were written to the same audience.
Unregistered User
(5/24/01 3:46:03 pm)
Wait, I was
wrong
I do attack their performance.
Actually, I do it quite a bit.
I hadn't read this in a long time.
I'd completely forgotten about it actually.
Thank you all for reminding me about this.
By the way, did you know that you already account for 61% of the hits on my site EVER? I've installed a counter JUST FOR YOU, so you can all see just how much traffic you're generating.
Thanks again...
Member
Posts: 23
(5/24/01 4:13:01 pm)
continuing the
discussion....
Well, I don't think that it's a good idea to compare what people needed 20 years ago and todays.
For example, 20 years ago, it was almost impossible to imagine a band, that produces music only, without any sing (or I think that).
Todays, we live surrounded by different types of music. Now we know mucical categories where the meaning is not that important. Techno, House, etc, almost the whole Disco world. There's a unique disco feeling. So no matter what you say, the expectations now and 2 decades ago are far not the same. The teenager audience needs different things.
I say that the A-Teens were in the middle (when they were covering ABBA). There were the songs, the old songs, that were reproduced to match to todays needs.
In addition, don't you think that this band has a big advantage, that they brought back the old hits, so now todays teenagers have a connection to them?
You didn't say that where you are from. If you are from the U.S, I can never explain to you the difference. The musical
Member
Posts: 25
(5/24/01 4:36:58 pm)
OOps, my post is
broken apart, let me continue
..."trends" are so different in Europe and in the U.S.
Actually the band changed profile, so the arguing is a little off-topic.
I can't make you to love the A*Teens, I know. What I'm trying to tell you is that maybe your critic was written without thinking first. You hate a band for kids. This is stupid. You feel that they offended the ABBA? Well, the band members of ABBA said they like them. I don't want to offend you, but I think the reason of that article was that you are a little jelaous becouse they got the chance to do the remakes and you didn't. This is only my opinion of course.
Duh, I think that you probably never thought that once you'll come here, to an A-Teens forum...hah, that's enough for me
Unregistered User
(5/24/01 4:51:03 pm)
Instrumentals
I'm going to have to flat-out disagree with you there.
Rock & Roll instrumentals have been around forever.
Ever heard "Frankenstein" by the Edgar Winter Group?
Virtually all the Surf-music (See Ventures) of the 50s-60s was instrumental. A large percentage of Rockabilly music is instrumental. ALL of that 70's synth-experimentation and "ambient" stuff was instrumental, as well as the "New Age" music which contrary to popular belief has been around a LONG time.
Kraftwerk did a lot of electronic dance music in the late 70s/Early 80s as well as Afrika Bambata (sp), and a lot of them were instrumental.
The vast majority of break-dancing music from MY youth was instrumental.
Joe Satriani had a whole career of guitar instrumentals while I was in high-school.
I'm from the US, so I guess you're saying I can't possibly understand, right? Hey we Americans were responsible for New Edition, Menudo, New Kids on the Block, N'Sync, and Back Street Boys, so I think I know a little about pre-fab bands, I've lived through enough of them, and I've never liked a single one of them. Okay, I liked "Pass the Dutchie" by Musical Youth, but that was a long time ago.
Member
Posts: 26
(5/24/01 5:34:14 pm)
HTML Comments are
not allowed
If you believe it or not, we don't listen to Nsync or BSB in a disco, but OK, this is country specific.
U are from the U.S, the home of BSB, NSYNC...and for example the S CLUB 7 the band, that the A*Teens are closest to now.
You didn't say anything about the band's new style. The same band members, the same men behind the curtain, the same company,but without ABBA songs. What do you think about them now? Becouse I think when you wrote your article, you hated them becouse of the ABBA remixes, but now, they changed profile, so why do you hate them for now? Anyways have you ever heard any of their new singles?
Member
Posts: 27
(5/24/01 5:46:12 pm)
part 2
No doubt that you know the pre-fabs better than me, however believe me that the two continent has major differences in this case. You probably know that the A*Teens are not too popular in the U.S, or at least not AS popular as they are in Europe. To be honest, as long as I know very few European band did big career in the U.S. The ones I know for sure: Beatles and ABBA. This shows perfectly that the expectations in the two continents are not the same. This is why I thought that you can't really understand the fans.
Anyways I'm still waiting for the answers to the questions I previously put for you.
Unregistered User
(5/24/01 5:49:28 pm)
If you did not like my remarks...sorry, but you did not have to read them. No one made you come here as no one made me go to your site. The reason I wrote you were pathetic and wanted attention (which I still think) it's because of the remarks you made about the e-mails you got. Those people took their time to write to you just to let you know how they felt. They didn't come here and ridicule you as you did to them. That was really immature of you. And then you talk about the A-Teens being goofy or not profound enough...
Oh, and by the way, stop making all those comments about people's grammar mistakes...it is really rather silly.
And I ask you the same question DraabAAL asked you. Have you listened to the A-Teens new tracks? Listen to them and then judge.
Unregistered User
(5/24/01 5:51:41 pm)
New style
Don't know, don't care, haven't heard it, don't want to.
If the case is that they've switched away from ABBA songs and are now doing there own, then the whole ABBA "tribute band" was just a cheap way to gain popularity, and I'd despise the man behind the curtain even more, but the singers less.
They'll probably be given more appropriate material for their age, and they move down from the top of my hate list to share a rung with other pre-fab pop groups. That rung is getting pretty crowded these days.
As for previous questions, which one's do you feel haven't been answered? I thought I'd covered everything.
Unregistered User
(5/24/01 6:10:59 pm)
Hey, Britney
"If you did not like my remarks...sorry, but you did not have to read them."
But I did anyway.
"No one made you come here as no one made me go to your site."
But you did anyway.
"The reason I wrote you were pathetic and wanted attention (which I still think) it's because of the remarks you made about the e-mails you got. Those people took their time to write to you just to let you know how they felt."
You make it sound like I should be GRATEFUL people took the time to write me and call me an asshole.
"They didn't come here and ridicule you as you did to them. That was really immature of you. And then you talk about the A-Teens being goofy or not profound enough..."
Yeah, Britney, they did. Read through the posts. I beleive it was you who said "He is really too pathetic to take seriously." Is that supposed to be a compliment?
"Oh, and by the way, stop making all those comments about people's grammar mistakes...it is really rather silly."
Read more carefully, someone insulted MY grammer, and I asked which mistakes they were referring to. Funny, they never WERE able to point any out.
"And I ask you the same question DraabAAL asked you. Have you listened to the A-Teens new tracks? Listen to them and then judge."
See my reply to DrabAAL.
Member
Posts: 28
(5/24/01 6:11:14 pm)
look
below...
Now you've answered them.
About stopping covering ABBA...well no doubt that making popular a band with remixing old hits, and than changing profile was a successfull step by the record company. Business. However if you believe it or not, the band gets more and more fans with the new style.
Was recovering the ABBA hits a good idea to make a group wellknown, and after it, to make a new band that present american-feeling in Europe? Yes, sorry, but I can't hate the record company for this.
You know, people were very sceptic about the A-Teens, they always said that this band will be dead without the ABBA songs. Now, it's still alive, and it's popular than ever.
Where the money is, there resides the success. And in this case, good music resides there too. You can hate them for only their luck. To be honest, this why the band's haters hate them for.
Now, I have to leave the NET, so I can't reply immediately. Keep on posting, I'm very curious how will this topic end.
Unregistered User
(5/24/01 6:45:10 pm)
Money = Success
= Good
There is a certain appeal to the idea that success = quality, but I find that to be false.
Quite often success = promotion or backing.
There are a thousand bands out there that are simply brilliant, but you never hear about them because they don't have the backing. People spend their whole lives working hard in their own bands waiting to get a "break", but they don't get the backing for one reason or another. Sometimes it's because they are too political. Sometimes it's because they use profanity. Sometimes it's because they are just too "different". Prodigy was around forever, but most people never heard of them until "Firestarter", which had some serious backing behind it, a video in heavy rotation, and lots of airplay.
Am I saying that Prodigy is no good? Not at all, but they should have been noticed years before "Firestarter".
What I am saying is that pre-fab bands are destined for greatness before they even exist, and that's not fair to the artists that do this out of love for the craft, or a genuine need to say something. These days record execs have a band's name, logo, and product tie-ins arranged before they've even auditioned the singers, and I think that's wrong. We are being sold to like cattle, and we'll buy it because they've studied us, and targetted their new "group" specifically AT us. These bands didn't happen naturally, they were molded, shaped, and honed specifically to take your money. You are not an audience, you're a demographic.
Years from now when the A*Teens popularity starts to dwindle will the suits stand behind them? NO, they will disband them and cut their losses, and you'll have 20 year old kids that are suddenly Pop has-beens. Is that fair to them? Are people ever going to take what they do seriously again after that? Okay, (Marky) Mark Wahlberg managed a career later on, but what happened to the rest of the New Kids? They show up years later on "Where are they now" with their lives ruined. They get used up and discarded by the suits, who just turn around and find another five kids and start over again.
I don't like entertainment that has been "designed" for me, it makes me feel like cattle, and I don't like to see it happen to anyone else either.
Step back and look at another "manufactured" sensation like Teletubbies for instance. The people involved in the creation of this show have ADMITTED that it was specifically targetted to kids that were just turning old enough to point and say "I want". They've admitted it was not intended to educate ANYONE, just to make money, just to make kids point and say "I want" in the store. That's what these bands are to teens. They are specifically designed to make you go "I want" and that's wrong.
You know what the reason "real" rock and roll bands get together is? To get women (or men). Ask them, they'll tell you. Rock stars want to get up on stage and have people throwing underwear at them. They want to be "Rock Gods" and have groupies. They want to get drunk and be driven around in a tour bus. They want to be immortal. And sure, they want to be rich, but that's not the whole reason for their existance, being "Rock Gods" is. Do you think Geddy Lee would have gotten any chicks without Rush? Do you honestly think Gene Simmons would have gotten any chicks without KISS. Do you think Noddy Holder... ok, bad example.
I made a grand total of $239 dollars for my three years of doing rock operas and Rock & Roll Cabaret theatre. None of us made any money, but we didn't do it to get rich. We did it to be "Rock Gods", and we were.
Unregistered User
(5/24/01 6:53:22 pm)
Re: Hey, Britney
You are completely right. No one made you read my comments but you did...no one made me read your comments but I did. So that kind of makes us even.
Look, Iam sorry if I made my remarks sound as if you should be grateful. I meant that if they insulted you, why don't you write back to them and tell them off instead of just making fun of them in your page? (this is about the e-mails) And I don't think my calling you pathetic is a hard insult. But if you think so, then, my true apologies.
About the grammar mistakes, I still think it's silly to make fun of people because of that. We all make mistakes. So do you. Look closely at your last post..you wrote: "I beleive" and the word is believe. See? Anyone can make a mistake. I make tons when Iam not paying attention. We are not perfect. Neither are the A-Teens. So give them a break.
Well, about you not wanting to listen to the new A-Teens cd... I was just making a suggestion. I believe people have to give other people chances before telling them off. But...it is your decision. I'll respect it and I'll respect your opinion about the A-Teens. Just respect ours.
Member
Posts: 29
(5/24/01 10:13:13 pm)
MelG
Well I've read your post, and it was easy to find out that your hate's root is deep below the ground.
I know exactly what you were talking about, I was already familiar with this thoughts. I've read many forums in my language by young musicians, who will probably never get that most wanted attention. They reacted the same way.
You know I think your anger is mostly about the music industry, that will never give the chance to really talented musicians. Now, a famous name comes into my mind: Santana. How long has he been playing? I think that's almost 30 years of work! And when did he get awards? In the last two years!!
You know, I agree with you at this point.
I know that the source of your hate about this specific band can be found at this point. I'm almost sure. It's hard to understand, why those 4 kids got the chance, and you didn't. I don't blame you for this, I would behave the same in this situation.
But you know dishing the band won't help you much. Maybe it makes you feel better, but that's all.
Though you feel this whole thing unfair, your article about them is unfair too. And I really hope that you see now that you were really wrong about this community. See? You are here, noone attacked you, we are TALKING. And I'm sure that the ones - who wrote the mails to you - have already regreted the thing.
Ya know, we could talk about all day about the music industry. If you want to, we can contiunue. You are welcome here as anyone who can tell his opinion decently, and intelligently, like you do.
I think we all had a false image about eachother. I think everyone, who read this topic through will see the things different. You don't really have to continue pissing the fans. It would be great if you would remove the counter and the recently added stuff from the page. You don't really have problem with the fans, do you?
Unregistered User
(5/24/01 11:23:44 pm)
hmm...
I don't have a big problem with a lot of what his article says, but I do have a problem with making fun of Amit's grammar. He speaks 3 languages and English is not his first, so I think he does pretty good!
Unregistered User
(5/25/01 12:39:32 pm)
Amit's grammar
Hey, I SAID that English probably wasn't his first language, but I'd let it slide, and yes he does pretty good.
Well, I think we've covered just about everything this week, and everyone knows where I stand and why. Sorry if you felt personally insulted as A*Teens fans, but I do have my own opinions about the music industry, and right now I find it rather disappointing and artificial.
Let's all hope that the net can truly become the thing that saves us all from the big record execs and puts the power back in the hands of the bands. I've seen a friend's band that was poised on the edge of national exposure on major labels suddely dropped because someone decided that they were no longer in fashion. One week they were going to be the next big thing, and the next they were dropped like a hot rock.
It was not the record buying public who made this decision either. The public never got to HEAR their songs on the radio because of one decision by one guy in a suit who'd never even listened to them, judging them solely on genre and demographics.
The more bands can "go independent" the better. I think there should be an "independent" sticker that bands could put on their self-released albums to let the public KNOW why the album is so much cheaper. This friend says he can sell his own CDs for 1/3 the amount the record companies charge and still make the same money, and that's just what he plans to do.
Imagine full length albums for $4, and all the money going straight to the band. Imagine when we all get broadband modems, and they perfect the selling of music over the net as well. We won't HAVE to settle for what the local stores decide to carry, we'll buy straight from the band, and have our albums NOW.
Let's hope it really happens.
Unregistered User
(5/25/01 12:54:13 pm)
Removing
stuff
Draabal...
If I remove the new stuff and the counter I'll just run into this same situation again in another year when someone else "finds" my page.
I've been thinking of expanding stuff this week, and adding on a lot of what's been discussed here. There's only really one thing I ever totally removed from my site, and that was written hastily and under the wrong circumstances.
It is generally my policy to amend rather than remove. Look at the Marilyn Manson rant for an example. When I wrote it I thought they totally sucked, and they DID. They were 90% image, 10% content. A year or so later "Mechanical Animals" came out, and a friend loaned it to me saying that I should give it a chance because it was a lot different. I listened, I liked it, I ammended my page, but I never removed it. Of course, MM hasn't exactly been burning up the charts since then, but that's another story.
I don't feel that your thoughts and emotions about something at one point in your life are invalidated because you have later changed you mind. Your writings are snapshots of your thoughts at the time they were written, and are not to be dismissed, or denied.
I may do something to the page over the weekend, but I'm not yet sure exactly what it will be.
Newbie
Posts: 3
(5/25/01 3:21:00 pm)
Re: Amit's
grammar
Well...Iam glad this is ending. I accept your apologies as an A-Teens fan. I hope you accepted mine. I think it is better if everyone realizes that everyone is entitled to any opinion and that Mel's page is probably not the only one critizicing A-Teens badly. So we just have to get over it and continue supoorting the A-Teens.
~*~Do not wish to be anything but what you are, and try to be that perfectly~*~
Candy Kisses
Posts: 72
(5/25/01 5:59:50 pm)
Re: Amit's
grammar
*sniff*tear* I love a semi-happy ending, don't you? Guess that closes this chapter. The end.
