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Thank you for the prompt reply and the text on Jane Fonda keep working on the youngest
Stay Well
Mr.Graham Thompson
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Jane Fonda Supported the Enemy in Vietnam and Her Conduct Got American POW's Killed-Truth! & Fiction!
Summary of Rumor: In protest of Jane Fonda being considered as one of the top 100 women of the century, this email reminds Americans of her controversial visit to North Vietnam during the war. It quotes a POW named Jerry Driscoll who was taken from his prison cell, cleaned and dressed for a visit with Fonda, then ordered to give Fonda a positive account of his treatment. He spit at Fonda and was beaten and dragged away. Then a group of POWs which included a Col. Larry Carrigan were brought out to visit with Fonda. According to the story, "...she walked the line, shaking each man's hand and asking little encouraging snippets like: "Aren't you sorry you bombed babies?" & "Are you grateful for the humane treatment from your benevolent captors?" Many of the POW's were listed as missing in action so to identify themselves to American authorities, they each wrote their Social Security numbers on small pieces of paper and slipped them to Fonda as she greeted them. To their horror, however, after Fonda finished meeting them, she turned to the North Vietnamese commanding officer and handed him the POW's pieces of paper. In the beatings that followed, three American POW's died and Col. Carrigan nearly died.
The email then ends with a statement of fact about events in North Vietnam from an unnamed American POW.
The Truth: This story hearkens to a real visit to North Vietnam by Jane Fonda and her husband, Tom Hayden, in July of 1972, but includes a couple of stories that are not true.
The Fonda-Hayden trip became unforgettable because it infuriated Americans, especially Americans in uniform, many of whom still regard her as a traitor. She praised the North Vietnamese, posed for a photo at a Communist anti-aircraft gun emplacement, made several radio broadcasts for the Communist North Vietnamese in which she called American military leaders "war criminals," then when some of the POWs returned home and described mistreatment by the North Vietnamese, she said Americans should "...not hail the POWs as heroes, because they are hypocrites and liars." There is no dispute that her visit took place, that her words and actions were in support of the enemy, and that her conduct caused harm to the war effort and to some of the prisoners of war.
This particular email includes three stories, two of which have been denied by the POWs who are named, and one of which has been confirmed as true by the source, although he was not named in the email.
First, the "100 Women of the Century" was a project of the Ladies Home Journal and a TV special hosted by Barbara Walters. Jane Fonda was one of the 100.
How the email story about the POWs got started is not known, but it has been widely circulated.
TruthOrFiction.com located Jerry Driscoll who said that the accounts about him in the email are "...the product of a very vivid imagination" and he requests that people please stop passing it on to others.
TruthOrFiction.com also contacted Mike McGrath, President of NAM-POWs, who says the Larry Carrigan events never happened either. He says Carrigan calls the story a "hoax" and does not want to be associated with it. McGrath also says that some versions of the email include an account from a Dave Hoffman and that his story is true. Hoffman says he was tortured (hung by a broken arm) until he agreed to go before Jane Fonda. He was among a small group who witnessed one of her radio broadcasts for Hanoi.
The part of the email that begins with "To Whom it may concern" is true. It's a quote from an article titled SHAME ON JANE originally published on the Advocacy And Intelligence Index website on April 28, 1999 and written by Michael Benge who was a civilian captured by the North Vietnamese in 1968. In his statement, he also makes reference to a missionary nurse who died in captivity. For your interest, that was Betty Olsen, a Christian Missionary Alliance nurse from New York.
In 1988 in an interview with Barbara Walters on 20/20, Jane Fonda talked about her Vietnam visit and issued what some feel was an apology but which her critics say was not enough. Fonda said, "I would like to say something, not just to Vietnam veterans in New England, but to men who were in Vietnam, who I hurt, or whose pain I caused to deepen because of the things that I said or did. I was trying to help end the killing and the war, but there were times when I was thoughtless and careless about it and I'm...very sorry that I hurt them. And I want to apologize to them and their families."
A real example of the story as it has been circulated:
Subject: Honored Women of the Century
A good friend of mine knows the author of the following and asked to have it
forwarded to my contacts that are different from his. I'm sure there are
dozens of accounts that are just as compelling about Hanoi Jane but this one
is pretty strong. Please consider forwarding this to others that you know well and are comfortable that they will not feel spammed. _______________________________________________
HANOI JANE
Looks like Hanoi Jane may be honored as one of the "100 Women of the Century".
JANE FONDA remembered?
Unfortunately many have forgotten and still countless others have never known how Ms. Fonda betrayed not only the idea of our "country" but the men who served and sacrificed during Vietnam. There are few things I have strong visceral reactions to, but Jane Fonda's participation in what I believe to be blatant treason, is one of them.
Part of my conviction comes from exposure to a pilot whose name is Jerry Driscoll, a River Rat. In 1978, the Commandant of the USAF Survival School was a former POW in Ho Lo Prison-the "Hanoi Hilton". Dragged from a stinking
cesspit of a cell, cleaned, fed, and dressed in fresh PJs, he was ordered to
describe for a visiting American "Peace Activist" the "lenient and humane
treatment" he'd received. He spat at Ms.Fonda, was clubbed and dragged away.
During the subsequent beating, he fell forward upon the camp Commandant's
feet, accidentally pulling the man's shoe off-which sent that officer berserk. In '78, the AF Col.still suffered from double vision (which permanently ended his flying days) from the Vietnamese Col.'s frenzied application of wooden baton.
From 1983-85, Col. Larry Carrigan was the 47FW/DO (F-4Es). He spent 6 years in the "Hilton" - the first three of which he was "missing in action". His wife lived on faith that he was still alive. His group, too, got the cleaned/fed/clothed routine in preparation for a "peace delegation" visit. They, however, had time and devised a plan to get word to the world that they still survived. Each man secreted a tiny piece of paper, with his SSN on it, in the palm of his hand. When paraded before Ms.Fonda and a cameraman, she walked the line, shaking each man's hand and asking little encouraging snippets like: "Aren't you sorry you bombed babies?" & "Are you grateful for the humane treatment from your benevolent captors?" Believing this HAD to be an act, they each palmed her their sliver of paper.
She took them all without missing a beat. At the end of the line and once the camera stopped rolling, to the shocked disbelief of the POWs, she turned to the officer in charge ... and handed him the little pile. Three men died from the subsequent beatings. Col. Carrigan was almost number four.
To whom it may concern: I was a civilian economic development advisor in Viet Nam, was captured by the North Vietnamese communists in South Viet Nam in 1968, and held for over 5 years. I spent 27 months in solitary confinement, one year in a cage in Cambodia, and one year in a "black box" in Hanoi. My North Vietnamese captors deliberately poisoned and murdered a female missionary, a nurse in a leprosarium in Ban me Thuot, South Vietnam, whom I buried in the jungle near the Cambodian border. At one time, I weighed approximately 90 lbs. (My normal weight is170 lbs.) We were Jane Fonda's "war criminals." When Jane Fonda visited Hanoi, I was asked by the camp communist political officer if I would be willing to meet with her. I said yes, for I wanted to tell her about the real treatment we POWs were receiving, which was far different from the treatment purported by the North Vietnamese, and parroted by various peace activists as "humane and lenient." After doing so, I spent three days on a rocky floor on my knees with outstretched arms with a piece of steel placed on my hands, and beaten with a bamboo cane every time my arms dipped. After my release I had the opportunity to meet with Jane Fonda for a couple of hours. I asked her if she would be willing to debate me on TV. She declined to answer me. She does not exemplify someone who should be honored among "100 Years of Great Women."
Please take the time to read and forward to as many people as you can. It
will eventually end up on her computer and she needs to know that "we will never forget".!!!!
Carpe Diem
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Pom,
Just a short message to let you know whats happening.
Contary to the Blue Beret I am not on sick parade, Mick Sheean was on holidays at my place at Hervey Bay recovering from a bout of Phew--moan--ya when we visited your website.Never been on it before & thought it was fantastic spent a lot of hours going over it in the last couple of days, cant understand what all the fuss was about with Jim & Association but dont know full story or want to. Had a great day Anzac Day travelled to Ipswich with old boiler attendant mate Boozer Manning to stay with Mick & Bob Linskett drank lots of XXXX and told lots of lies. Early start Anzac morning to catch train to big smoke with Russ Carrier to march with the boys then on to City Rowers to drink more piss, caught up with heaps of friends- China, Toddy, Mooka,Coxy,Holty,Spike,Skippy and all the Brisbane regs.Sometime during the afternoon 9 of us piled into a maxi cab to retreat to Ippy RSL to consume more amber fluid,after parting with 90 bucks and travelling with heads outside cab thanks to Sumo and his bowel problem we arrived. lots more xxxx and rum(if you cant fighton rum your a coward) it was time to go back to Micks and not to mention that in true Addgie fashion he decked local tuffnut and got us all kicked out. 2003 Anzac Day looks good at Hervey Bay!
Thats all for now pom keep up the top shit.
Trevor Nye (Nicky)
Hi !
I was an ADG at Phang Rang in early 1971 (Mar) in Bushy's/Smedly's section and was known as Tomo I went down to Vungers with the first group out.
I am interested to know about the article in Week 4 18/01/02 of Blue Beret on Jane Fonda in particular the author, do you have a contact address and how do I print off the text.
I would also like to find out who was the youngest person and what age he was that served on the ground in Vietnam. I can give you a starting point, turned 18y 10 days after arriving (me) S.No.A47319
P.S. I have just read through all of this years editions and it's great, tell Slugo to keep sending in the slides as I never owned a camera and have none.
Graham Thompson
thomson@arcom.com.au
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Well Graham,
I'll leave these questions for the boys to answer, as regards Sluggo's slides i have just finished putting them on CD for him and we are at about the end of them now.
John & George Schubert, Reserve Day do you think there was some thing out of place for a artillery reunion.
George the 3 Rd
Pappy was one of our old w/o ex R.A.A.F. WAG
Thirty odd years of service to Australia.
This pic of a F111 reminds me of my first few months of service, as at that time F111 were just being introduced to RAAF service 1968.
And the Pom was in the precourse labour pool at Amberley sweeping floors and removing metal shavings from the floor of the machine shop ( a very highly skilled job I was told sweeping that is ) producing Wing Rams that controled the variable angle of the wings on the F111,s these were modified by the RAAF as there had been the odd couple fall off in the States.
Anyway the F/Sgt in charge of myself and no doubt the machine shop reaconed that the POM must have been quite a nice bloke for he invited me to chaveron his 18 year old Daughter to a Debutons Ball at the Sgt's mess, gee i thought all my Christmas,s had come at once and i might get lucky with this Daughter, But the Sgt had planed well and as soon as the Pom was seated at the Ball the piss flowed and flowed just to make sure the pom,s dreams never reached maturity, shit can,t even remember how i even got back to my barracks.
Peter Simpson / Peter Hall / Dutchy Wilderboer.
Looks as if the accomodation is a little on the tight side at Vungers.
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