on-reflection-digest      Friday, August 6 1999      Volume 01 : Number 1804



no gg: new Camel
Re: gg: RE: Attn. UK Peeps
gg: Martin geetars
gg: Re: Re: RE:/ Timothy Pure
gg: Re: freshes the Perts
gg: Re: several things
gg: Re:Oops! misread musicians
gg: Hooray!
gg: Re:Oops! misread musicians
Re: gg: ATT or F-H
gg: FW:  Wear Jedi robes?!
gg: Gary Willis; Percy Jones; Uriah Heep; stupid Warner Bros
gg: Prog-metal; a mammiedream; Speedy Riccuveri; death to Ricky Martin
gg: More Fleck
gg: Udi; guitarists; Jethro Tull
non-gg: sexy classical pianists
Re: non-gg: sexy classical pianists
gg: U-barge trip; the NRM list; the radio; Giant Tracks; Rachel Barton; Et Cetera
gg: Re: Vvvvt
gg: Re: Giantics
Re: gg: Hooray!
Re: nongg: Passion
gg: Karen, I lost your "correct" address
gg: Sad ... ELP
Re: gg: Upcoming new Camel album

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Date: Thu, 05 Aug 1999 12:44:05 -0400
From: "Jerry McCarthy" 
Subject: no gg: new Camel

> JohnEric schrieb:
> > I'm not too sure about Camel.  I had all of their vinyl, up through Snow
> > Goose.  They kind of lost their savor for me about then.  Was there
> > anything after that?  How do YOU appreciate them?
> 
> Sorry for interfering, but I have to say that Camel maintained a constant high 
> level of quality. re: I can see you house from here, Live, Breathless (my 
> favourite) and even the most recent stuff...
> Carsten the Krautmeister

I agree with Carsten that Camel has maintained a fairly constant level
of quality work over the years. I consider Camel's last 2 albums, "Dust
& Dreams" and "Harbour of Tears," to be their best work since 1978-9 and
their "proggiest" work since about 1975-6 (although I wonder about the
validity of the term "their" since the writing has become pretty much a
one-man Andy Latimer show -- I now tend to consider early Camel and
later/recent Camel to be two completely different entities). 

Harbour of Tears is a particular favorite of mine, and long-timers know
that I have stated several times on O-R over the past couple of years
that I think it is a late-90s paragon of what an artistically successful
rock concept album can and should be (IQ's Subterranea being another).
It's a beautiful album.


- --Jerry  (NP: Ed Macan's Hermetic Science)

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Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1999 10:32:58 +0100
From: Bob Taylor 
Subject: Re: gg: RE: Attn. UK Peeps

In message <01BEDED6.DE949680@pm3-117.svn.net>, William Tindall
 writes
>Reflecting some confusion amongst the English contingent, Si schreef:
>
><
>This is going to be a tough call. Colosseum followed by Jeff Beck or GORGG ??>>
>       
>       What's tough about it?  Is Jeff Beck going to beat you up if you miss 
>his show?  Will his adherents descend upon your safe little world in a maelstrom 
>of righteous ire, strap you into a Ricky Martin Appreciation Chair, and send you 
>into outer darkness where there is wailing and gnashing of teeth?  
>       I doubt it.  Seems a pretty clear-cut choice to me, right Sluggo?
>"Right boss".
>
>No thugs in my house,
>                          Bill "The Enforcer" T
>
>P.S.  "Dinsdale!"    
>
The tough part comes for those who had Spocks Beard lined up for 1 Oct -
more interesting than the other bands on offer.

Bob

- -- 
Robert Taylor

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Date: Thu, 05 Aug 1999 11:20:56 -0600
From: Jeff Smith 
Subject: gg: Martin geetars

>BTW: can anyone tell me how much a 6-string Martin acoustic (average-priced
>model) costs in the US? Too damn expensive here in Germany. That'd be
>appreciated.

Like every other guitar maker these days, Martin has a gazillion models to
choose from.  Prices range from $600 on the low end up to as much as you
want to spend.  How about a 1904 Martin 1-45 for US$32,000?  Their standard
bearer is the D-28 and I think you can get one for around $1400-1500.  Check
out Elderly Instruments http://www.elderly.com.  They are the largest Martin
dealer in the world and I'm sure they will ship to Germany.  I bought my
D-35 from them.  They have a large selection of both new and used Martins.

GG content:
AFAIK, GG never played Martins.

np: Pentwater - Out Of The Abyss

Jeff Smith

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Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 15:48:32 +0100
From: "Ant" 
Subject: gg: Re: Re: RE:/ Timothy Pure

Greetings from Southern Spain, (2 weeks is difinitely not enough)

- -----Original Message-----
From: Jorunn Nome & Bert Vijn 


>> > > Buy the new TIMOTHY PURE album called "Island Of The Misfit Toys". I
>> >think
>> > > this will get my vote for one of the all time classic Prog. Rock
albums
>
>Now please don't avoid buying this album because I said that. It was Reg
who said
>it, not me. Please avoid buying it because HE said it.  ;^)


No reflection on Julian or Bert but I find this one exedingly tediuous. I've
listened to it about 4 times now and it's not grown on me too much.

Ant

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Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 21:16:39 +0100
From: "Ant" 
Subject: gg: Re: freshes the Perts

- -----Original Message-----
From: David J. Loftus 

>Has Morris Pert ever encountered Neil Peart...?


They both drink Heineken presumably when they get together for a bash.
(Hope that advert was a worldwide one)

Ant

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Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1999 10:44:58 +0100
From: "Ant" 
Subject: gg: Re: several things

- -----Original Message-----
From: Alan Benjamin 
>Before departing, I must take one extra moment to defend It Bites. While
>they are more proggish pop than prog, there's a lot of substance there--as
>well as impressive attention to detail, and great guitar playing from
>Francis Dunnery. Be sure to check out _Once Around the World_ before
writing
>these guys off.


Absolutely! This is probably my fave of the 3. They had some pressure from
Virgin on the first album to be more poppy. Calling all the Heroes with it's
10cc bassline and shorter haircuts was the response to that and they even
put Phil Collins type brass stabs on Whole New World. Their 1st The Big Lad
in the Windmill is full of catchy vocal hooks but with countless prog
influenced background touches and Frank (shovel hands) Dunnery's
surreal-jazz-metal guitar outings make IB a unique product. Eat Me in St
Louis has some great tunes also but suffers, for me, from a a feeling of
commercial pressure digging it in the back. Dunnery at that time decided
they were 'Heavy Rockers' for want of a suitable genre. It's a pity the prog
revival didn't happen a few years earlier as they would have had a safe
haven from the accountants. Having all the Dunnery solo efforts I'm wont to
think that most of the prog leanings came from Beck, Nolan & Dalton unless
he just grew out of it. The remaining 3 went on to be Navajo Kis annd Sister
Sarah. Both rather disappointing and their several groupings as backing
musicians for older prog icons were notably adequate at best. Even if IB
followed other rock and prog bands' leads and reformed 20 years later, that
being in about a decade's time, although I would be there, I think they
would unfortunately be out of step with the crowd.


Ant

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Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 22:34:05 +0100
From: "Ant" 
Subject: gg: Re:Oops! misread musicians

- -----Original Message-----
From: David J. Loftus 
>This is Paganini, the violin wizard from more than a century ago -- the 
>guy whose compositions for the violin were redone by Lizst for the piano, 
>right, Ant?  Not the Pagani of PFM whom Alan was talking about.


Ah what's a ni between friends?

Ant

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Date: Thu, 05 Aug 1999 14:05:50 -0400
From: "Stephen Shores @ work :P" 
Subject: gg: Hooray!

Yes! (or should I say: Gentle Giant! heehee) I found Interview in a
used CD store near here today! What are the chances of that? Anyway, I'm
very excited- I'd lost my old CD of this and forgot how great it was!
Hooray!

	Now all I lack of my old GG collection is Giant For A Day (believe me,
I'm not in that much of a hurry :)) and a legal copy of In A Glass
House. (er, I didn't *REALLY* say that... ;)) 

 
	IMO, if the companies are going to let them go out of print without
rerelease, I guess the only way for me to get a copy is to make one! Are
you listening, Polygram? WE WANT GLASS!


	I also picked up a copy of Peter Gabriel's Passion... lots of nice and
unique instrumentals, expertly crafted. Truly a weird-music (or was that
world-music?) masterpiece. I love it!

	Oh crap! This message was on topic! Ummmm... well, since I don't have
anything cheesy to say about ELP, I'll just say that Glass Hammer rules!

Heh heh heh...

Happy GG'ing,

Stephen
- -- 
  It's Stephen Shores!  Available in three fun varieties: 
sshores@orthotrac.com (at work), stephenshores@hotmail.com 
   (at home), and www.weaselsnout.com! Collect 'em all!

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Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1999 11:40:18 -0700 (PDT)
From: "David J. Loftus" 
Subject: gg: Re:Oops! misread musicians

On Wed, 4 Aug 1999, Ant wrote:

> -----Original Message-----
> From: David J. Loftus 
> >This is Paganini, the violin wizard from more than a century ago -- the 
> >guy whose compositions for the violin were redone by Lizst for the piano, 
> >right, Ant?  Not the Pagani of PFM whom Alan was talking about.
> 
> 
> Ah what's a ni between friends?
> 
> Ant



Plenty to the Knights who say "NI!"

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Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1999 15:20:58 -0400
From: "Richard Worthy" 
Subject: Re: gg: ATT or F-H

Thanks to all who gave me the input on these 2 cd's. I wound up getting ATT.
Sounds great and am enjoying it as I write. Thanks again all.

Rich W

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Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1999 21:22:07 +0100
From: "Mark L. Potts" 
Subject: gg: FW:  Wear Jedi robes?!

Ok, this was a mail sent to me from a friend who got it from a friend and it
is for the Star Wars fans and the mildly interested or curious: a parody of
the "Sunscreen" song that came out recently. Well, it made me chuckle even
though I'm no Star Wars fan :)

Thorlina.

> >---------- Forwarded message ----------
> >
> >>
> >>If you don't know the original of this, check out:
> >>http://www.teleport.com/~kinknews/artists/bios/baz_lyrics.html
> >>
> >>>>
> >>>>--Lyrics to the tune of Boz Luerhmens (sp?) 'Sunscreen':
> >>>>
> >>>>      Ladies and Gentlemen of the Jedi class of '99...Wear robes
> >>>>
> >>>>      If I could offer you only one tip for the future, Jedi
> robes
> >>>>      would be it.  The long term benefits of wearing Jedi robes
> >>>>      have been proven by the Jedi Council, whereas the rest of
> my
> >>>>      advice has no basis more reliable than my own meandering
> >>>>      experience. I will dispense this advice now.
> >>>>
> >>>>      Enjoy the power and beauty of the force; oh nevermind; you
> >>>>      will not understand the power and beauty of the force until
> >>>>      you have gone to Dagobah. But trust me, in 20 years you'll
> >>>>      look back at pictures of yourself trying to get your X-wing
> >>>>      out of the swamp and recall in a way you can't grasp now
> how
> >>>>      much possibility lay before you and how fabulous you really
> >>>>      looked...You're not as fat as Jabba the Hutt.
> >>>>
> >>>>      Don't worry about the future, adventure or excitement; a
> >>>>      Jedi craves not these things. The real troubles in your
> life
> >>>>      are apt to be things that never crossed your worried mind;
> >>>>      the kind that blindside you at 4pm while you are cleaning
> up
> >>>>      two droids that your uncle just purchased..
> >>>>
> >>>>      Your eyes can deceive you, don't trust them.
> >>>>
> >>>>      Asteroids!
> >>>>
> >>>>      Don't be reckless with other people's speeder bikes, don't
> >>>>      put up with people who are reckless with yours.
> >>>>
> >>>>      Floss
> >>>>
> >>>>      Don't waste your time on jealousy, anger, or hate; the dark
> >>>>      side of the force are they. Sometimes you're ahead,
> >>>>      sometimes you're behind...the race is long, and in the end
> >>>>      you can always take the shortcut through Beggars Canyon.
> >>>>
> >>>>      Remember the compliments you receive, but don't get cocky;
> >>>>      there's still 2 more TIE fighters out there.
> >>>>
> >>>>      Keep your old lightsabers, throw away your old blasters.
> >>>>
> >>>>      Feel the force flowing through you.
> >>>>
> >>>>      Don't feel guilty if you don't know what to do with your
> >>>>      life...the most interesting Jedi's I know didn't know at 22
> >>>>      what they wanted to do with their lives, some of the most
> >>>>      interesting 900 year olds I know still don't.
> >>>>
> >>>>      Double check the Hyperdrive system.
> >>>>
> >>>>      Be kind to your hands, you'll miss them when they're gone.
> >>>>
> >>>>      Maybe you'll destroy the Death Star, maybe you won't, maybe
> >>>>      you'll get stepped on by an Imperial Walker, maybe you
> >>>>      won't, maybe the Emperor will destroy you with Force
> >>>>      lightning, or maybe you'll dance the funky Ewok on Endor
> >>>>      when the Emperor is dead...what ever you do, don't
> >>>>      congratulate yourself too much or berate yourself either -
> >>>>      the target area WAS only 2 meters wide.
> >>>>
> >>>>      Enjoy your body, use it every way you can...don't be afraid
> >>>>      of it, or what other people think of it, it's the greatest
> >>>>      instrument besides your lightsaber that you'll ever own.
> >>>>
> >>>>      Practice with your lightsaber...even if you have nowhere to
> >>>>      do it but in the cargo hold of the Millennium Falcon.
> >>>>
> >>>>      Read the directions, even if you don't follow them. You
> >>>>      never know when you'll cut off your only escape route out
> of
> >>>>      the Cell bay.
> >>>>
> >>>>      Do NOT close the blast doors, they will only cut you off
> >>>>      from the rebels.
> >>>>      Get to know your aunt and uncle, you'll never know when
> >>>>      they'll be gone for good. Be nice to your daughter; she is
> >>>>      your only link to finding the secret Rebel base.
> >>>>
> >>>>      Understand that friends come and go, but for the precious
> >>>>      few you should hold on. Work hard to bridge the gaps in
> >>>>      geography, in lifestyle and in the Death Star chasm,
> because
> >>>>      the older you get, the more you need the people you knew
> >>>>      when you were a young farmboy.
> >>>>
> >>>>      Live on Coruscant once, but leave before it makes you hard;
> >>>>      live on Alderran once, but leave before it gets destroyed
> by
> >>>>      the Death Star.
> >>>>
> >>>>      Travel.
> >>>>
> >>>>      Accept certain inalienable truths, the Jedi are all but
> >>>>      extinct, the force can have a strong influence on the weak
> >>>>      minded, you too will get too old for this sort of thing,
> and
> >>>>      when you do you'll fantasize that when you were young
> Jedi's
> >>>>      were the guardians of peace and justice in the Old
> Republic,
> >>>>      you used to bullseye Womprats in your T-16 back home and
> >>>>      Jedi students respected their Jedi Masters.
> >>>>
> >>>>      Respect your Jedi Master.
> >>>>
> >>>>      Don't expect anyone else to support you. Maybe you have a
> >>>>      friend from Tatooine flying on your wing, maybe you know a
> >>>>      smuggler from Corellia; but you never know when either one
> >>>>      might get destroyed by an Imperial TIE fighter.
> >>>>
> >>>>      Don't mess too much with your hair, or by the time it's 40,
> >>>>      it will look 900.
> >>>>
> >>>>      Be careful of which smuggler you hire, but be patient with
> >>>>      those who drop their shipment of spice at the first sign of
> >>>>      an Imperial cruiser. Advice is like nostalgia, dispensing
> it
> >>>>      is a way of fishing the past from the disposal, wiping it
> >>>>      off, putting it's head on backwards and strapping it to the
> >>>>      back of a Wookie.
> >>>>
> >>>>      But trust me on the Jedi robes...

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Date: Thu, 05 Aug 1999 16:24:03 -0700
From: "Scott Steele" 
Subject: gg: Gary Willis; Percy Jones; Uriah Heep; stupid Warner Bros

>>np:  Gary Willis, Bent

>Have you heard No Sweat by Gary Willis?  If so, do you think Bent is better?

I got both at the same time and I can't really say which I prefer.

>As a bass player, I felt I should own a Gary Willis CD so I bought No Sweat.  I am somewhat disappointed with it.  He covers a lot of styles on it but frankly I don't hear much original on it.  Sometimes he sounds like Pat Metheny Group, sometimes like 70's era Herbie Hancock, sometimes like Weather Report.  Anyway, if you've heard 'em both and think Bent is better
let me know and I'll give it a try.

I think you should go for an earlier Tribal Tech album, say, Illicit, if you can get your hands on it.

>Someone asked about a Percy Jones CD I recently picked up called Cape Catastrophe.  I finally got a chance to listen to it and it is a worthy addition to my CD collection.

Thanks for your review!  I need to get this one.

>If some of you on this list have some other Percy Jones CDs that are good I'd like to know which ones they are.

All the old Brand X stuff sounds best to me.  But I can endorse the first Tunnels CD - it's great.  Same lineup as Brand X Manifest Destiny with Van Manakas on guitar instead of John Goodsall.  There is a second one but I have not heard it yet.

>But one band I still cannot stomach was Uriah Heep (sorry Diana).

My fave U-Heep was Demons and Wizards.  The song Rainbow Demon gets it all together for me.  I also like Salisbury.  The rest I can't really go for.

>On the opposite end, Warner Bros. put out a lot of pressings that were fairly clean, especially into the later '70s and early '80s. (This still doesn't make up for the fact that they still haven't reissued Mark O'Connors _Meanings Of_ on CD!)

I too miss the O'Connor WB catalog, but in my opinion, their biggest omission is the John McLaughlin Warner Bros Catalogue (Belo Horizonte, Music Spoken Here, Mahavishnu).  I have gotten German versions of BH and MSH but I still seek the CD version of the black Mahavishnu album with Billy Cobham, Jonas Hellborg, Mitchel Forman and Bill Evans.  - S.

np:  Firesign Theatre, HCYB (goodbye friends, and happy motoring back on the freeway, which is already in progress!)

scottst@ohsu.edu

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Date: Thu, 05 Aug 1999 16:45:49 -0700
From: "Scott Steele" 
Subject: gg: Prog-metal; a mammiedream; Speedy Riccuveri; death to Ricky Martin

Doug Johnson  weighs in on a genre he likes a lot:

>The definitions of 'prog-metal' I've seen have been pretty limited.  There has been no mention of Cynic, Meshuggah, thought industry, Pestilence, Believer, Death, Tourniquet, Decision D...I could go on, but I won't. There seems to be a general dislike for this type of material on this list. IMSNSHO, it's been the best prog going since the 70's. I don't care much for most of the stuff that's called prog these daze.

I can vouch for Cynic and Meshuggah.  Spastic Ink probably fits the profile too.  The others I don't know about.

>I dreamt I was at GORGG and all you mothers were 7ft. tall! Ayeyiyiyiyi. Please tell me it was only a, mammiedream.

We will tower over you, we are all Gentle Giants.

>hail all; and a special thanks and howdy-do to Mr. Slot Sleet for the wonderful Gone Orchestra cds, tea bag, migraine pills, broken plastic fork and musical note pin that came in last week's post. Delightful stuff, especially the fork- I mean the music!

That's a Gone Orchestra tuning fork (used).

>Mr. Sleet, if you need some album cover art, there's this crazy
woman who does big band comics and loves Gentle Giant....;->

We will keep you in mind for cover artist.  Whoever hasn't seen Speedy Riccuverri hasn't lived life to its fullest!

>DEATH TO RICKY MARTIN!  Thorlina

>np= Alice Cooper; "School's Out"

I like Alice a lot better than Ricky.  But Ricky serves a purpose.  Not to you or me, but to someone out there in music-land.  - S.

np:  Katia & Marielle Labeque, Love of Colours

scottst@ohsu.edu

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Date: Thu, 05 Aug 1999 16:48:50 -0700
From: "Scott Steele" 
Subject: gg: More Fleck

>I'm just re-discovering Bela Fleck, enjoying "Flight Of THe Cosmic Hippo" (thanks to ant) as well as "One Flew Over .."

>I was wondering where I might go from here, I know the band has put a lot more discs out?

Hi Bob, snag Live Art if you can; also consider one of the Victor Wooten disks, such as What Did He Say?.  - S.

np:  Zony Mash, Brand Spankin' New

scottst@ohsu.edu

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Date: Thu, 05 Aug 1999 17:12:01 -0700
From: "Scott Steele" 
Subject: gg: Udi; guitarists; Jethro Tull

>Here is another infrequent note from the perpetual mandatory lurker from over the hills.

Udi:  I demand more posts from the happy anteater.  No offence Ant.

>(A side note: Why canĘt guitarists just be happy? On second thought, Eddie Van Halen is always so sickeningly happy it sends me straight to my vomit bag...).

I think it's revealing that BB King really grimaces, and John McLaughlin just looks mildly annoyed.  ;)  Went to a Charlie Hunter gig a few months ago and Charlie groans *loudly* if he makes what he thinks is a mistake.  If he acted like nothing was wrong, no one would think anything was wrong.

>Anyway, next were Jethro Tull. A good show with good comedy bits and a good selection containing even a bit from Passion Play,

This is very, very good news.  So were the rest of your reviews.  Thank you sir.  Sorry about that army thing.  - S.

np:  Zappa, The Grand Wazoo

scottst@ohsu.edu

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Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1999 17:11:38 -0700 (PDT)
From: "David J. Loftus" 
Subject: non-gg: sexy classical pianists

> np:  Katia & Marielle Labeque, Love of Colours
> 
> scottst@ohsu.edu


Va-va-VOOM!  Who says all the best babes are in rock 'n' roll?

I'll settle for a roll in the hay with the Labeque sisters.

When I went to see them live at Symphony Hall early this year, I forgot 
my binoculars.  Boy, I haven't cursed myself like that in a LONG time.


David Loftus

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Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1999 20:28:42 -0400
From: "drj_saro" 
Subject: Re: non-gg: sexy classical pianists

From: David J. Loftus 
>> np:  Katia & Marielle Labeque, Love of Colours
>Va-va-VOOM!  Who says all the best babes are in rock 'n' roll?
>I'll settle for a roll in the hay with the Labeque sisters.
>When I went to see them live at Symphony Hall early this year, I forgot
>my binoculars.  Boy, I haven't cursed myself like that in a LONG time.


when i saw them w/the CLE_Orch 2 or 3 years ago, they did a meet & greet
afterwards - they carried on conversations like they were still playing -
one would finish the other's sentences.....it was almost creepy!

thank you for your time and attention.

Julius J. SAROKA
drj_saro@neo.rr.com
Cuyahoga Falls OHIO

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Date: Thu, 05 Aug 1999 17:33:42 -0700
From: "Scott Steele" 
Subject: gg: U-barge trip; the NRM list; the radio; Giant Tracks; Rachel Barton; Et Cetera

>I guess I was the only person here who took my advice and went to see the Gone Orchestra's Utopian Barge Trip (more on that later).

Well, I was there.  I thought it was cool!

>Gentle Giant? I thought this was the Ricky Martin/Yes list.

This is the No Ricky Martin list.

>that's why i haven't listened to the radio (except for classical, news, and the local NPR outlet) since 1978!

You mean you don't like Jim Rome?  ;)

>By the way, we still have copies of GIANT TRACKS available, in case anyone on On-Reflection still hasn't heard it.  Still only $15 for the 2-CD set!  (Plus shipping.)  Read reviews, hear sound samples, see ordering information, etc., at:  http://www.blazemonger.com/GT/

If you don't have this yet, you're missing out.

>Rachel Barton, Chicago-born and raised, is one of the most 
incredible violinists I have heard to date. She plays both 
classical and rock 'styles.'

Doug, where can I hear her stuff?

>Etcetera - Fin De Siecle
>Almost like a travel through a prog landscape, with influences from a lot of the great 70s bands, from Genesis to Gong. Still a very original album with strong songwriting and rerformances.
Recommended, especially if you like classic prog.

I love this.  Great job Frank!  - S.

np:  Katia Labeque, Little Girl Blue (this duet with Herbie Hancock)

scottst@ohsu.edu

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Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1999 18:48:29 -0700 (PDT)
From: JohnEric 
Subject: gg: Re: Vvvvt

Morton Subotnick!  thank you!  That was a name I was looking for.  He was
the one that did "Touch", I believe.  Correct me if I'm wrong.  

I read in one of your other posts that you like the same Heep releases
that I do.  "Demons & Wizards" and "Salisbury".  

JEE

- --- Scott Steele  wrote:
> I remember them dimly.  My only "experimental electronic" LPs were the
> one put out on Odyssey Records that was associated with some college,
> and the Morton Subotnick LP with the snake on the cover (on Columbia I
> think).  They were cool!  - S.
> 
> >>> JohnEric  07/30 7:38 PM >>>
> Laurie.  Yes.
> 
> Nonsuch ... do you remember all those experimental electronic LPs they
> put
> out years and years ago?
> 
> JEE
> 
> --- Scott Steele  wrote:
> > I like L. Anderson too if we're talking about Laurie.  I guess she is
> > moved to Elektra Nonsuch now, and has something coming out pretty
> soon. 
> > - S.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> 
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Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1999 18:52:01 -0700 (PDT)
From: JohnEric 
Subject: gg: Re: Giantics

Sept 11 or Sun Sept 12 -- either will work for me.

JEE

- --- Scott Steele  wrote:
> >It's a lovely location.  Helluva shame Ginny's schedule did not allow
> us to gather in a more leisurely weekend slot.  Jonathan Ayers emailed
> me his regrets last night;  perhaps we should consider another
> get-together for the locals, on a weekend afternoon, later on in the
> year.
> 
> Do I hear Sat Sept 11 or Sun Sept 12? or should we wait until Oct?  - S.
> 
> 

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Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1999 18:55:21 -0700 (PDT)
From: JohnEric 
Subject: Re: gg: Hooray!

Gabriel's Passion is incredible.

JEE

- --- "Stephen Shores @ work :P"  wrote:
> Yes! (or should I say: Gentle Giant! heehee) I found Interview in a
> used CD store near here today! What are the chances of that? Anyway, I'm
> very excited- I'd lost my old CD of this and forgot how great it was!
> Hooray!
> 
> 	Now all I lack of my old GG collection is Giant For A Day (believe me,
> I'm not in that much of a hurry :)) and a legal copy of In A Glass
> House. (er, I didn't *REALLY* say that... ;)) 
> 
>  
> 	IMO, if the companies are going to let them go out of print without
> rerelease, I guess the only way for me to get a copy is to make one! Are
> you listening, Polygram? WE WANT GLASS!
> 
> 
> 	I also picked up a copy of Peter Gabriel's Passion... lots of nice and
> unique instrumentals, expertly crafted. Truly a weird-music (or was that
> world-music?) masterpiece. I love it!
> 
> 	Oh crap! This message was on topic! Ummmm... well, since I don't have
> anything cheesy to say about ELP, I'll just say that Glass Hammer rules!
> 
> Heh heh heh...
> 
> Happy GG'ing,
> 
> Stephen
> -- 
>   It's Stephen Shores!  Available in three fun varieties: 
> sshores@orthotrac.com (at work), stephenshores@hotmail.com 
>    (at home), and www.weaselsnout.com! Collect 'em all!
> 

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Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1999 22:16:47 EDT
From: Claudio666@aol.com
Subject: Re: nongg: Passion

In a message dated 8/5/99 7:57:02 PM Mountain Daylight Time, 
john_97223@yahoo.com writes:

<< Gabriel's Passion is incredible. >>

Ever see the movie for which this is the soundtrack?  The two are amazing 
together.Scorcese and Gabriel.  Just rolls off the tongue, doesn't it???  
Okay, just talk amongst yourselves...

Claudio
n.d. okay, I'll admit it
n.p. Son #1's video games. Death & destruction as far as the eye can see...

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Date: Fri, 6 Aug 1999 04:49:05 +0200
From: casglatze@t-online.de (casglatze)
Subject: gg: Karen, I lost your "correct" address

Hi, Karen,
following is your mail to me and my response to you. I have to go this way, as I 
lost your "correct" address, i.e. the one that has no mail delivery failure.
Write back.
Thanks
Carsten

Karen Giblin schrieb:
> Hi Carsten,
>
> Ken Hensley will be releasing "Visible Faith" very soon.  In May he released
>  the
> "Best Of..."  Actually,  Ken is involved in alot of projects.  He also has
>  his own
> website. 

Can you tell me what the address is? That'd be BRILLIANT! I've been trying 
search engines, but believe it or not, they didn't reveal anything.

Since Ken became a christian a few years back, Visible Faith
>  surrounds his
> own faith. When I first saw him after so many years, because he quit UH in
>  1980, I
> had to look at the pictures more than a few times, because I always
>  remembered him
> with long, thick hair.
> Check out his website if you have a moment.
>
> Regarding the members of Heep that came after the original line-up and the
>  early UH
> years, I like them all.  

Well, I like all records up until and including "Innocent Victim". The stuff 
after that didn't do anything for me. I did single out my favourite Heep 
platters, but basically I like everything up to "IV". Heep holds very special 
sentimental values for me. This is one of THE bands I grew up with. They've been 
with me since 1970 (when I was 10). I'm 39 now and basically always listened to 
them. Their music still brings back memories, evokes images...you know what I'm 
talking about. Proud Words also falls into this category. I still think Heep 
were VASTLY underrated and kinda fall in a bracket between prog and Hard Rock (I 
don't know how old you are, but if you're old enough you know the difference 
between Hard/Heavy Rock then and CRAP Heavy Metal and its derivatives now. To 
me, most of heavy metal is the failed attempt by unable people to cover up their 
lack of ability to create great music and to try to compensate for it by 
excessive speed. So there). 
I remember that when Live '73 came out that a friend of mine taped it for me. I 
was (and still am) totally blown away by this THANGGG!!! I also think that Heep 
were one of those bands able to write wonderful ballads as a hard rock band 
(this was a discussion on O-R recently, and most if not all people thought that 
no hard rockers were able to write great ballads).
Sweet Freedom was one of the first records I actually bought from my own pocket 
money. The first 3 (in that order) were: Purple: Made in Japan; Chicago: V; 
Heep: Sweet Freedom...no wonder I ended up on O-R.
Yours,
Carsten
I did feel back when John Wetton joined after Gary
>  Thain
> left the band, that he seemed like he just did not fit.  Also, word out on
>  that was
> that he and Ken Hensley bumped heads musically, as both were very strong
> personalities.
>
> Take care,
>
> Karen

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Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1999 20:01:25 -0700 (PDT)
From: JohnEric 
Subject: gg: Sad ... ELP

OK, now I've seen the ELP/VH1 piece for myself.  It was sad.  Rather than
criticizing Keith, I'm going to say the man rode high for a long time ...
and I hope he comes back one day.  I really felt a lot of depression from
the guy, while watching the piece ... regardless of the bird thing.  I
remember when his arm trouble hit the news.  That was devastating news for
an ELP fan like myself.  I thought the recent ELP stuff redeemed my
disappointment after Love Beach.

Also, I'm glad Grand Funk has endurance ... although I still think their
first live album was the best thing they've ever done.

JEE  



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Date: Fri, 06 Aug 1999 08:38:33 +0200
From: Sven Eriksen 
Subject: Re: gg: Upcoming new Camel album

JohnEric wrote:
> 
> I'm not too sure about Camel.  I had all of their vinyl, up through Snow
> Goose.  They kind of lost their savor for me about then.  Was there
> anything after that?  How do YOU appreciate them?

Camel is one of the few 70s bands who as just as good (or perhaps even
better) in the 90s. Even though some of their 80s work is somewhat
patchy, their 90s albums, and especially "Harbour of Tears" (1996) and
the double live album of that tour ("Coming Of Age", 1998) are
wonderful. Latimer is better than ever, both as a guitarist and as a
composer, and the line-up of the forthcoming album is really promising!

Sven

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