on-reflection-digest      Sunday, August 8 1999      Volume 01 : Number 1806



gg: Shadows on the Streeter
Re: gg: More Reviews...this time ELP!
Re: gg: Final GG Review
Re: gg: More Reviews...this time ELP!
Re: gg: Progressive Music Hall Of Fame
Re: gg: Progressive Music Hall Of Fame
gg: Re: Progressive Music Hall Of Fame
RE: gg: More Reviews...this time ELP!
nogg: Live bits
gg: NoGG: StudioM
gg: In appreciation of Mark
Re: gg: More Reviews...this time ELP!
Re: gg: More Reviews...this time ELP!
Re: gg: Final GG Review
Re: gg: Progressive Music Hall Of Fame
Re: no gg: ELP review.
gg: Re: Floyd Connections
gg: RE: In appreciation of Mark
Re: nongg: Soft things
gg: Re: Re: Floyd Connections
gg: Re: In appreciation of Mark + Sonic Seasons!!
gg: Re: In appreciation of Mark + Sonic Seasons!!
Re: gg: More Reviews...this time ELP!
gg: Cordero's "Quinteto" (available at CDNow)

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Date: Sat, 7 Aug 1999 10:05:44 -0400
From: Richard Hilton 
Subject: gg: Shadows on the Streeter

At 9:00 AM -0400 8/7/99, Mr. Streeter speculates:
>On to the GG review.  It's clipped (I believe) from the Boston Globe and the
>critic is Marc D. Allen.  I'm sure Mr. Hilton may know something about him.

Actually, no, I don't recall Allen from my days living the Boston area
(1979-1982).  I sure don't think much of his review though.  And I always
liked the Herald better, anyway (Boston Globe = liberal propaganda sheet).
GfaD, though not the album we were all hoping for, was/is not "musical
torture" for me.

Best,
Rich

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http://members.aol.com/hiltonius/BTI_page.html

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Date: Sat, 7 Aug 1999 08:22:23 -0700 (PDT)
From: JohnEric 
Subject: Re: gg: More Reviews...this time ELP!

Sad, but true.

JEE

- --- BuffNET  wrote:
> Hail all (again)!
> 
> In keeping with the ELP thread that has been running through some of the
> posts, I'd like to pass on this review of "Love Beach."  I remember
> looking
> at the cover and choosing not to buy that one when it was released!  I
> don't
> own it to this day.  This review is again from the Boston Globe and is
> authored by Marc D. Allen.
> 
> 
> 
> Emerson, Lake, and Palmer
> Love Beach
> Atlantic
> 
> It is hard for me to believe that a group like Emerson, Lake and Palmer,
> best known for interpretations of classical pieces like "Pictures at an
> Exhibition" could record "Love Beach," the group's third consecutive
> album
> of musical tripe.  Thin accompaniment, tired lyrics, and a recording
> which
> has ELP sounding like only three tracks were used and 21 left empty, are
> all
> elements of this LP.  On the cover, ELP look like three rejects from
> "Fantasy Island."  Side One has four Lake/Sinfield compositions which
> are
> insultingly commercial.  On "Taste of my Love," Greg Lake sings, "I want
> to
> dynamite your mind with love."  The final cut on that side is "Canario,"
> this album's one virtue.  An instrumental, it captures the spirit of
> songs
> like "Hoedown" and "Tarkus."  Side Two is an Emerson/Sinfield soap
> opera,
> "Memoirs of an Officer and a Gentleman," about a soldier who falls in
> love,
> goes off to battle, and receives a "Dear John" letter.  Trite? 
> Definitely.
> "Love Beach" continues the plummet of Emerson, Lake and Palmer.  If they
> were to make an appearance as the band on the television show "Love
> Boat," I
> would not at all be surprised.
> 
> 
> 
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> 
> 
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Date: Sat, 7 Aug 1999 08:25:21 -0700 (PDT)
From: JohnEric 
Subject: Re: gg: Final GG Review

I wasn't impressed with Dream Theatre's first release.  What's a good one
from them.  What about Magellan, for a band?

JEE

- --- BuffNET  wrote:
> Hail all!
> 
> You all may (or may not) remember when I posted 2 different GG reviews
> that
> had been published in Contemporary Keyboard magazine when Free Hand and
> Playing the Fool were first released.  Well, while I have several other
> reviews of other bands from that and later times, the last GG one I have
> is
> this one.  It's a review of Giant for a Day and I must say that I cannot
> agree with this review more.  I WOULD like to say,  however, that people
> who
> review ANYTHING for a living (music, movies, plays, exhibits, etc.)
> really
> don't hold much sway in my eyes.  I always feel that if something looks
> good
> to me, I'll go see it.  After all, if I relied solely on reviews, I
> wouldn't
> own 3/4 of my record/CD collection.
> 
> Before I type the review, I'd like to comment on a few things that I
> have
> been reading.  I'll list them off in no particular order.  They are just
> my
> humble $0.02.
> 
> 1. I saw the Yes Union tour live in Buffalo, NY.  It was one of the best
> concerts I have ever seen.  One of the arms that held one of the
> spotlights
> was cranky and got stuck down on more than one occasion, but other than
> that
> it was a flawless performance.  The entire band seemed happy and all
> were
> smiling.  IF memory serves, Buffalo was one of the first dates on the
> tour.
> Feelings toward each other may have degraded over time.  I remember
> seeing
> Bruford being interviewed during the time of the tour.  He said that
> while
> this type of thing wasn't REALLY what he enjoyed doing, he felt that if
> playing "backup" to Allen White left him with enough money to finance
> things
> that were near and dear to him, like Earthworks, then it was worth it.
> Also, I TOTALLY enjoy Tales and think it's one of their best works.  I
> think
> the only album I didn't purchase when it came out was Tormato.  I don't
> have
> a bit of the recently released stuff (especially the expensive "Keys"
> stuff)
> but other than that, I own most everything and can find some good in
> all.
> 
> 2. I enjoy Rush very much, but I could see the beginning of the end
> coming
> when I listened to Permanent Waves.  Moving Pictures was better but I
> own
> nothing after that.  For me, Rush WAS Fly By Night, Caress of Steel,
> 2112, A
> Farewell to Kings, and Hemispheres.  I agree they are very talented and
> have
> simply packaged that talent in a way that got them airplay, but I simply
> like the old stuff too much to be willing to spend money for the new
> stuff.
> I'd rather spend it on Dream Theater.
> 
> 3. I also enjoy ELP very much.  I'm not a student of music, so I'm not
> aware
> of all the "borrowing" Keith has done.  I won't disagree with those on
> the
> list who have much more knowledge in this area than I.  However I do
> enjoy
> most of their work, with the exception of Works (I'm not fond of
> Symphonic
> Music) and Love Beach!  I have a review of Love Beach and I'll send that
> along soon.
> 
> On to the GG review.  It's clipped (I believe) from the Boston Globe and
> the
> critic is Marc D. Allen.  I'm sure Mr. Hilton may know something about
> him.
> Rich, please comment if you do!  Is he any good?
> 
> 
> 
> Gentle Giant
> Giant For A Day
> Capitol
> 
> Gentle Giant's tenth studio album exhibits all the qualities of a band
> which
> has exhausted its writing potential.  Formerly, the Giant's music was
> unique
> in every way, ranging from five-part Gregorian chants to quirky,
> offbeat,
> eclectic music.  The subjects dealt with everything from legends to
> inside
> jokes.  On "Giant For a Day" the Giant takes to writing about
> superfluous
> topics:  "Thank You", "Friends", "It's Only Goodbye."  The tunes seem to
> be
> an attempt at breaking the Top 40 market.  The melodies are simplistic,
> the
> lyrics trite.  The only songs worthy of praise are "Words For The Wise,"
> which sounds similar to old Gentle Giant, and the title cut, which
> contains
> the pathetically funny lyrics: "You could be President Carter, maybe Idi
> Amin, or say Muhammed Ali...listen to these songs/tell yourself that
> it's
> wrong to even go your own way/throw away your old cloak/put on your
> mask/be
> Giant for a Day."  The album is an exercise in musical torture.  It's
> difficult to make it through the second side.
> 
> 
> 
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> 
> 
> 
> 

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Date: Sat, 7 Aug 1999 11:31:25 -0400
From: "drj_saro" 
Subject: Re: gg: More Reviews...this time ELP!

From: JohnEric 
in regards to the crappy review of ELP's "Love Beach"...
>

>Sad, but true.
>
>JEE
>


no it's not.   side one may suck canal water, but "an orifice and a genital"
is better than any of the _band_ stuff off of either Works 1 or 2 (and not
to mention any of the aborted versions of the band _since_ then!)

thank you for your time and attention.

Julius J. SAROKA
drj_saro@neo.rr.com
Cuyahoga Falls OHIO

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Date: Sat, 07 Aug 1999 11:17:28 +0000
From: Diana Green 
Subject: Re: gg: Progressive Music Hall Of Fame

hail;
re:


Russell Rivard wrote:

> Isn't it about time we had a Progressive Music Hall Of Fame!

I think that this is a wonderful idea! I can see it now.. a hall for the
"big six"...a gallery for the grand masters, including GG, Camel, Caravan,
Hatfield, Soft Machine.... rotating exhibits on topics like world music and
prog, country and prog, the fusion connection...
< accidental over deletion here of suggestion that the organizers of Near
Fest take on this project)
Have they expressed an interest in doing so?

>
>
> It would be great to see Gentle Giant as the first band inducted into
> the Progressive Music Hall Of Fame.

I'd love that; I wouldn't mind seeing them at least mentioned in the
conventional one in Cleveland either! I bet there's not a lick of Prog in
the place, except maybe for some more mainstream stuff like Floyd or the
Moodies.

>
> Just to have the members of the band on stage and give the fans an
> opportunity to express their feelings
> for them with a standing ovation, would be great!

Well, that's ONE way to get them to reunite. At this point, given how they
all feel about it, i'd be grateful for that!

> They could have a
> panel discussion with the members
> of the band and Daniel Barrett. Maybe even, questions from the audience.
>
> What do you think?

I think it's a wonderful dream, but it will take a MOUNTAIN of work to make
it come true!
still,
dg
np: camel: Mirage

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Date: Sat, 7 Aug 1999 13:34:08 -0400
From: "drj_saro" 
Subject: Re: gg: Progressive Music Hall Of Fame

From: Diana Green 
>> Isn't it about time we had a Progressive Music Hall Of Fame!
>> It would be great to see Gentle Giant as the first band inducted into
>> the Progressive Music Hall Of Fame.
>
>I'd love that; I wouldn't mind seeing them at least mentioned in the
>conventional one in Cleveland either! I bet there's not a lick of Prog in
>the place, except maybe for some more mainstream stuff like Floyd or the
>Moodies.
>


the Fluff & Fold Hall of Shame in Cleveland was _supposed_ to have a
"Progressive Music" exhibit a couple of years ago but it got derailed (more
money in (c)rap!) and there are no plans to reschedule it.   they do have a
brick from the Wall (and probably don't even realize how ironic _that_ is.).

but , imo, these various "Halls of Fame" have very little to do with the
"thing" they are allegedly celebrating - they are all about selling crappy
souvenirs to the tourists.
is that _really_ what we want for "Prog"?

thank you for your time and attention.

Julius J. SAROKA
drj_saro@neo.rr.com
Cuyahoga Falls OHIO

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Date: Sat, 7 Aug 1999 14:13:58 -0400
From: "webmaster" 
Subject: gg: Re: Progressive Music Hall Of Fame

>Date: Sat, 07 Aug 1999 05:48:20 -0500
>From: Russell Rivard 
>Subject: gg: Progressive Music Hall Of Fame

>What do you think?

Check www.progressiverock.com - its a HoF of sorts

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Date: Sat, 7 Aug 1999 19:40:06 +0100
From: "Mark L. Potts" 
Subject: RE: gg: More Reviews...this time ELP!

> no it's not.   side one may suck canal water, but "an orifice and
> a genital"
> is better than any of the _band_ stuff off of either Works 1 or 2 (and not
> to mention any of the aborted versions of the band _since_ then!)

Hey All!

Yes it is Thorlina's Dad back again...and what's more I must be mellowing in
my old age.

You see you get another year older and suddenly things take on a different
level of importance.

Enough philosophising. Let's leave all that high brow stuff to Bill T.

What I was going to say is that, much to my surprise, I find myself agreeing
with ol' Dr J.

I love an Officer and A Gentleman. OK some of the words can get a bit twee
if you think about em too much but, musically, I find it some of ELPs best
stuff.

So, who else can I agree with?

In the Heat of the Night,

Mark L. Potts
The God of Thunder

np: Link Wray - Bullshot

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Date: Sat, 7 Aug 1999 19:40:04 +0100
From: "Mark L. Potts" 
Subject: nogg: Live bits

Wotcha Droogies!

It is me, ThunderBoy, and not my usurping firstborn offspring here.

( I promise that I shall get 'round to giving her her own email settings
when I get a nanosecond then you'll know who it is your rapping with!! )

Anyhoo, I have just bought some concert tickets and wanted to let you
UK-based bods and peeps know so that if you happen to be going to the same
gig, you're buying the beer!

So, what have I got? Well, a small fortune later, I've got tickets for...

Aug 21st - Liverpool Royal Court - Ken Kesey and the Merry Pranksters
(anyone know what to expect?)
Aug 26th - Birmingham Robin Hood R&B Club - Walter Trout and the Free
Radicals
Sep 26th - London - RAH - Deep Purple 30th Anniversary Performance of
Concerto
Oct 7th - Manchester Apollo - Van Morrison
Oct 8th - London Astoria II - Colosseum
Oct 9th - London Shepherds Bush Empire - Jeff Beck

Well, there you have it, any of ya out there going to any of them let me
know!

BTW, I'm not ruling anything else out either

Surfing with the Alien,

Mark L. Potts
The God of Thunder

np: Link Wray - Bullshot

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Date: Sat, 7 Aug 1999 14:48:49 -0700
From: "Frank Lauria" 
Subject: gg: NoGG: StudioM

Anybody check out any of the NEARFest stuff on StudioM yet?  I downloaded
the Spock's Beard but haven't had a chance to listen yet...did listen to
some of Alaska's take-on-Tarkus (impressive), but nothing else.  Heard from
people on other lists (and maybe here, too) that Nathan Mahl's was the set
to catch.  True?

Thanks,
P-Frank

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Date: Sat, 7 Aug 1999 13:05:36 -0700 (PDT)
From: JohnEric 
Subject: gg: In appreciation of Mark

Interesting, to see a positive spin on a controversial LP.  I do get tired
of the juvenile inability to at least allow for another person's interest
in music not to one's own taste.  Newsgroups are full of "Attack and
Defend" posts.  I don't think they belong in a discussion group like this
one.  Especially since as GG fans we are supposed to be eclectic -- not
snobs.  Right?  Just my opinion.   

You wrote 'In the heat of the night' on the bottom of your post ... is
that a reference to Whitesnake?  Now there's another band that takes a lot
of shots, but they can be quite good at times.  Invariably, at this point,
there are readers that will cringe and poise for attack.  My strong
suggestion to those people is not to waste my time with a response like
that, and to JOIN THE HUMAN RACE and admit that it takes all kinds to make
the world go around.  Small minded people SUCK!  Instead, let me see a
good critique of "Acquiring the Taste".  I just listened to that one in
the car again today.  There's something about it that brings to mind
quaint book/music stores with a coffee shop, cedar and brass construction
... and a few artsy looking people enjoying some mellow, cerebral,
activity.  Yes, Gentle Giant appealed to that kind of crowd when I was
young, and still does.

Peace

JEE


- --- "Mark L. Potts"  wrote:
> > no it's not.   side one may suck canal water, but "an orifice and
> > a genital"
> > is better than any of the _band_ stuff off of either Works 1 or 2 (and
> not
> > to mention any of the aborted versions of the band _since_ then!)
> 
> Hey All!
> 
> Yes it is Thorlina's Dad back again...and what's more I must be
> mellowing in
> my old age.
> 
> You see you get another year older and suddenly things take on a
> different
> level of importance.
> 
> Enough philosophising. Let's leave all that high brow stuff to Bill T.
> 
> What I was going to say is that, much to my surprise, I find myself
> agreeing
> with ol' Dr J.
> 
> I love an Officer and A Gentleman. OK some of the words can get a bit
> twee
> if you think about em too much but, musically, I find it some of ELPs
> best
> stuff.
> 
> So, who else can I agree with?
> 
> In the Heat of the Night,
> 
> Mark L. Potts
> The God of Thunder
> 
> np: Link Wray - Bullshot
> 
> 


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Date: Sat, 7 Aug 1999 13:17:24 -0700 (PDT)
From: JohnEric 
Subject: Re: gg: More Reviews...this time ELP!

I'll have to go back and re-read my post on "Love Beach", but I don't
think I ever said "in regards to the crappy review of ELP's "Love
Beach"...".  Send me a copy of my own e-mail if I did.  I did say 'Sad,
but true' about the album review, but don't misquote me, Julius ... and
don't paraphrase me.

JEE

- --- drj_saro  wrote:
> From: JohnEric 
> in regards to the crappy review of ELP's "Love Beach"...
> >
> 
> >Sad, but true.
> >
> >JEE
> >
> 
> 
> no it's not.   side one may suck canal water, but "an orifice and a
> genital"
> is better than any of the _band_ stuff off of either Works 1 or 2 (and
> not
> to mention any of the aborted versions of the band _since_ then!)
> 
> thank you for your time and attention.
> 
> Julius J. SAROKA
> drj_saro@neo.rr.com
> Cuyahoga Falls OHIO
> 
> 
> 


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Date: Sat, 7 Aug 1999 16:36:45 -0400
From: "drj_saro" 
Subject: Re: gg: More Reviews...this time ELP!

the "in regards to the crappy review of Love beach" was added by me for
explanatory purposes since i didn't feel like re-quoting the entire post
that you were replying to with your "sad but true" and without some
explanatory note, the comment would have been entirely too vague.   the
explanatory note should not have been prefaced with ">", and for that i
apologize.  but i didn't paraphrase you and your quote was left entirely
intact.

am i misinterpreting your "sad but true" in regard to the review?
i take it to mean that you are saddened by the bad review, but you do not
dispute it's accuracy.   if i am mis-interpreting, then i apologize for that
as well.

thank you for your time and attention.

Julius J. SAROKA
drj_saro@neo.rr.com
Cuyahoga Falls OHIO

- -----Original Message-----
From: JohnEric 
To: drj_saro ; Gentle Giant Group

Date: Saturday, August 07, 1999 4:17 PM
Subject: Re: gg: More Reviews...this time ELP!


>I'll have to go back and re-read my post on "Love Beach", but I don't
>think I ever said "in regards to the crappy review of ELP's "Love
>Beach"...".  Send me a copy of my own e-mail if I did.  I did say 'Sad,
>but true' about the album review, but don't misquote me, Julius ... and
>don't paraphrase me.
>
>JEE
>
>--- drj_saro  wrote:
>> From: JohnEric 
>> in regards to the crappy review of ELP's "Love Beach"...
>> >
>>
>> >Sad, but true.
>> >
>> >JEE
>> >
>>
>>
>> no it's not.   side one may suck canal water, but "an orifice and a
>> genital"
>> is better than any of the _band_ stuff off of either Works 1 or 2 (and
>> not
>> to mention any of the aborted versions of the band _since_ then!)
>>
>> thank you for your time and attention.
>>
>> Julius J. SAROKA
>> drj_saro@neo.rr.com
>> Cuyahoga Falls OHIO
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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Date: Sat, 7 Aug 1999 17:29:50 EDT
From: Claudio666@aol.com
Subject: Re: gg: Final GG Review

In a message dated 8/7/99 6:28:53 AM Mountain Daylight Time, 
v015eyjd@buffnet.net writes:

<< It's a review of Giant for a Day and I must say that I cannot
 agree with this review more.  >>

Thanks for sharing the review with us.  Personally, I think that, at the time 
of its release, his review was right on the money.  You can tell that he knew 
the band's previous works and was disappointed with GFaD.  I was too, though 
you've all browbeaten me into listening to it again, and I confess to liking 
it a LITTLE more now, but not much...

Claudio, getting my mail from O-R again thank you...

n.d. Molson Golden
n.p. Nick Mason's Ficticious Sports

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Date: Sat, 7 Aug 1999 17:55:35 EDT
From: Claudio666@aol.com
Subject: Re: gg: Progressive Music Hall Of Fame

In a message dated 8/7/99 3:43:41 AM Mountain Daylight Time, zardoz@snet.net 
writes:

<< Isn't it about time we had a Progressive Music Hall Of Fame! >>

You've never been in my basement!  Alas, a good idea but financially 
suicidal.  Who'd go?  Besides us... 

Anyway, I thought that's what O-R was.

Claudio 

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Date: Sun, 8 Aug 1999 00:42:53 +0200
From: "Jorunn Nome & Bert Vijn" 
Subject: Re: no gg: ELP review.

UQH(TM),


Sorry, the original mails are already deleted, but from the sideline it may be OK
to hear that

> sad but true

was interpreted by me exactly like Julius interpreted it.

Also, the indentation sign ">" in Julius's post did _not_ precede the explanatory
note. Following, it was evident that Julius meant it as an explanatory note. This
is IMO a good way of referring to others' mails - a _lot_ better than quoting
loads of text and adding comments only to parts of it, the "me too" being the
most famous and almost hilarious example of such.

c-ya,
v-bert

pad (playing all day):
Komeda: plan 714 till komeda
Komeda: Rocket Plane
Komeda: It's Alright, Baby
Komeda: A Simple Formality

Great stuff, folks! So where the hell are "Pop på Svenska", "The Genius of
Komeda", "Travels in Stereo" and "What Makes It Go" that I ordered last century
(and that I don't have the money for of course) ?? Where??
And where's the NONS Compilation One with two Komeda tracks that are not on their
other CDs?? Where??

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Date: Sun, 8 Aug 1999 00:09:02 +0100
From: "Nick Bradey" 
Subject: gg: Re: Floyd Connections

>Hi
>I was just wondering if any one has an opinion in regards to the Syd
Barrett
>Solo albums. I have got all of Pink Floyd on CD and much prefer the early
>Floyd that is up to say Animals. I have toyed with the idea of lashing out
on the
>Syd Solo's but have not heard them.   I have been told to save my money but
>surely someone that was involved with the early Floyd can not be all bad ?
>
>
>
>Mick
>
>Check out The Madcap Laughs . It is superb . Note that members of Soft
Machine are involved as session musicians - gives me an oppurtunity to
mention the Softs . Can people let me know their favourite incarnation of
the Softs ? Although the classic quartet from the " Third" era can't be beat
, I have a high regard for the later stuff when Karl Jenkins was in control
. Any opinions ?
cheers
nick
- -----Original Message-----
From: Michael_Taylor@rta.nsw.gov.au 
To: on-reflection@lists.uoregon.edu 
Date: 30 July 1999 02:53
Subject: gg: Floyd Connections


>Hi
>I was just wondering if any one has an opinion in regards to the Syd
Barrett
>Solo albums. I have got all of Pink Floyd on CD and much prefer the early
>Floyd that is up to say Animals. I have toyed with the idea of lashing out
on the
>Syd Solo's but have not heard them.   I have been told to save my money but
>surely someone that was involved with the early Floyd can not be all bad ?
>
>
>
>Mick
>
>

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Date: Sat, 7 Aug 1999 16:39:54 -0700
From: William Tindall 
Subject: gg: RE: In appreciation of Mark

JohnEric, JohnEric, JohnEric,
	The word "Snob" was created solely to describe GG fans.  We're all guilty as hell, so you may as well get used to it.
	Of course, the least misspelling can lead to no end of bad associations; "Slob", "Snot", er...etc.
	I shall now display a little class, and refrain from further comment.

Bill T

<< Interesting, to see a positive spin on a controversial LP.  I do get tired
of the juvenile inability to at least allow for another person's interest
in music not to one's own taste.  Newsgroups are full of "Attack and
Defend" posts.  I don't think they belong in a discussion group like this
one.  Especially since as GG fans we are supposed to be eclectic -- not
snobs.  Right?  Just my opinion.>>   

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Date: Sat, 7 Aug 1999 19:59:11 EDT
From: Claudio666@aol.com
Subject: Re: nongg: Soft things

In a message dated 8/7/99 5:11:11 PM Mountain Daylight Time, 
nick@bradey.freeserve.co.uk writes:

<< Can people let me know their favourite incarnation of
 the Softs ? Although the classic quartet from the " Third" era can't be beat
 , I have a high regard for the later stuff when Karl Jenkins was in control
 . Any opinions ? >>

I'm so torn...I like "4" a lot, but am also partial to "7".  Okay, yes, 
they're completely different lineups except for Ratledge...Then there's 
"Bundles" with a young Holdsworth that really took them in a new, although 
not entirely different, direction.

From a purely musical perspective, I would say I like the pre-Jenkins period 
more.  Sometimes, for me, Jenkins' synths and atmospheres kind of got in the 
way.  Give me the Wyatt/Hopper stuff.  Boy. That was tough.

Claudio
n.d. More Molson
n.p. Rockies/Marlins  What a couple of ugly baseball teams, but somebody's 
got to win...  

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Date: Sat, 7 Aug 1999 22:35:47 -0400
From: "drj_saro" 
Subject: gg: Re: Re: Floyd Connections

From: Nick Bradey 

>>Check out The Madcap Laughs . It is superb . Note that members of Soft
>Machine are involved as session musicians - gives me an oppurtunity to
>mention the Softs . Can people let me know their favourite incarnation of
>the Softs ? Although the classic quartet from the " Third" era can't be
beat
>, I have a high regard for the later stuff when Karl Jenkins was in control
>. Any opinions ?
>cheers
>nick


i like all of the Softs releases.
i break it into 4 periods, each of which has it's own attraction....
1) 1,2,3
2) 4,5,6
3) 7, bundles, softs
4) alive & well in paris, land of cockaigne, rubber riff

my favourites are 3 & 6.

thank you for your time and attention.

Julius J. SAROKA
drj_saro@neo.rr.com
Cuyahoga Falls OHIO

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Date: Sat, 7 Aug 1999 20:06:11 -0700 (PDT)
From: JohnEric 
Subject: gg: Re: In appreciation of Mark + Sonic Seasons!!

Thanks David and Stacey, I will, and I agree with you.  Someone (I
neglected to remember who) said the word "snob" was invented for GG fans
... that person is wrong.  No argument needed.

I purchased a copy of the re-released "Sonic Seasons" today.  Not cheap,
but worth it!  Wendy Carlos was wonderful with non-invasive musical mood
and atmosphere painting.  Anyone who likes to sit back and enjoy the
perfect mind trip should check this out.  As I've said before, I enjoy
Steve Roach music when it comes to non-invasive fantasy sound ... but this
CD needs a classification all its own.  Buy it, put your headphones on,
and leave reality for a couple of hours.

JEE

- --- David and Stacey Shur  wrote:
> > I do get tired
> > of the juvenile inability to at least allow for another person's
> interest
> > in music not to one's own taste
> 
> This is why you never see me respond to some postings.  I don't like
> everything everyone else does, and I NEVER get into those stupid attack
> modes.  Last fall, I bought 5 CD's from someone on this list who had
> bought
> them based on positive reviews.  He hated them, and they turned out to
> be
> great CD's which I love.  People will twist around what you say.  When
> that
> happens, I just ignore the posts.  Keep up the interesting reviews. 
> -David
> Eric
> 
> 


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Date: Sat, 7 Aug 1999 20:08:15 -0700 (PDT)
From: JohnEric 
Subject: gg: Re: In appreciation of Mark + Sonic Seasons!!

Thanks David and Stacey, I will, and I agree with you.  Someone (I
neglected to remember who) said the word "snob" was invented for GG fans
... that person is wrong.  No argument needed.

I purchased a copy of the re-released "Sonic Seasons" today.  Not cheap,
but worth it!  Wendy Carlos was wonderful with non-invasive musical mood
and atmosphere painting.  Anyone who likes to sit back and enjoy the
perfect mind trip should check this out.  As I've said before, I enjoy
Steve Roach music when it comes to non-invasive fantasy sound ... but this
CD needs a classification all its own.  Buy it, put your headphones on,
and leave reality for a couple of hours.

JEE

- --- David and Stacey Shur  wrote:
> > I do get tired
> > of the juvenile inability to at least allow for another person's
> interest
> > in music not to one's own taste
> 
> This is why you never see me respond to some postings.  I don't like
> everything everyone else does, and I NEVER get into those stupid attack
> modes.  Last fall, I bought 5 CD's from someone on this list who had
> bought
> them based on positive reviews.  He hated them, and they turned out to
> be
> great CD's which I love.  People will twist around what you say.  When
> that
> happens, I just ignore the posts.  Keep up the interesting reviews. 
> -David
> Eric
> 
> 

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Date: Sat, 7 Aug 1999 20:11:06 -0700 (PDT)
From: JohnEric 
Subject: Re: gg: More Reviews...this time ELP!

I understand ... and take my hat off with a bow of appology for taking
such offense.  

JEE

- --- drj_saro  wrote:
> the "in regards to the crappy review of Love beach" was added by me for
> explanatory purposes since i didn't feel like re-quoting the entire post
> that you were replying to with your "sad but true" and without some
> explanatory note, the comment would have been entirely too vague.   the
> explanatory note should not have been prefaced with ">", and for that i
> apologize.  but i didn't paraphrase you and your quote was left entirely
> intact.
> 
> am i misinterpreting your "sad but true" in regard to the review?
> i take it to mean that you are saddened by the bad review, but you do
> not
> dispute it's accuracy.   if i am mis-interpreting, then i apologize for
> that
> as well.
> 
> thank you for your time and attention.
> 
> Julius J. SAROKA
> drj_saro@neo.rr.com
> Cuyahoga Falls OHIO
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: JohnEric 
> To: drj_saro ; Gentle Giant Group
> 
> Date: Saturday, August 07, 1999 4:17 PM
> Subject: Re: gg: More Reviews...this time ELP!
> 
> 
> >I'll have to go back and re-read my post on "Love Beach", but I don't
> >think I ever said "in regards to the crappy review of ELP's "Love
> >Beach"...".  Send me a copy of my own e-mail if I did.  I did say 'Sad,
> >but true' about the album review, but don't misquote me, Julius ... and
> >don't paraphrase me.
> >
> >JEE
> >
> >--- drj_saro  wrote:
> >> From: JohnEric 
> >> in regards to the crappy review of ELP's "Love Beach"...
> >> >
> >>
> >> >Sad, but true.
> >> >
> >> >JEE
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >> no it's not.   side one may suck canal water, but "an orifice and a
> >> genital"
> >> is better than any of the _band_ stuff off of either Works 1 or 2
> (and
> >> not
> >> to mention any of the aborted versions of the band _since_ then!)
> >>
> >> thank you for your time and attention.
> >>
> >> Julius J. SAROKA
> >> drj_saro@neo.rr.com
> >> Cuyahoga Falls OHIO
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
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Date: Sun, 08 Aug 1999 00:30:27 -0500
From: DE Johnson 
Subject: gg: Cordero's "Quinteto" (available at CDNow)

For those interested: 

Roque Cordero's "Quinteto" is available at CDNow for $14.99 on a disc 
that also includes works by Rochberg and Palmer (not Carl). If you're
interested in purchasing this or at least listening to soundfiles, 
please visit: http://www.cdnow.com/  ...and click on 'classical' music, 
then click on 'composer' and type in 'Cordero' and enter. Click the 
jpeg (of the cover) for soundfiles. 

Roque was my mentor for several years and is living in Normal, IL. He's 
a good friend and an excellent composer. His birthday is coming up this 
month (Aug. 16). He'll be 82! He's currently working on a piano concerto 
that will be given a premier in the year 2000.  

If you are interested in modern 'classical' music, I _highly_ recommend
purchasing this recording. All three works are solid. 

Thanx for giving me your time, 

Doug 

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