on-reflection-digest    Thursday, August 19 1999    Volume 01 : Number 1826



non gg: Jethro Tull
Re: non gg: Jethro Tull
gg: Tull in Guitar World
gg: Fw: DGM NEWS Mailing #2
gg: Is 'Rock n' Roll' dead?  Or is it just fading away?
gg: tRe: vor Rabin (or Rabid Tremors?)
gg: RE: Butcher cover
Re: gg: re: GG:coming soon to a record shop near you?
Re: nogg: Urges for Ursula
Re: gg: Tull in Guitar World
Re: gg: Is 'Rock n' Roll' dead?  Or is it just fading away?
gg: Amoeba; overdums; collector's items; Can't Buy a Thrill; Derek's parts
gg: Re: Re: stuff&nonsense
gg: Re: resubbing 
gg: Laugh! it was like a the Lemon Song.
gg: Eeh thee's a right clutterbuck.
gg: Other places.
Re: gg: RE: New Tull
Re: gg: stuff&nonsense
Re: gg: Other places.
gg: Ursula; Gone mp3s; b3 tour; Putumayo
Re: gg: Amoeba; overdums; collector's items; Can't Buy a Thrill;Derek's  parts
Re: gg: Ursula; Gone mp3s; b3 tour; Putumayo
gg: No GG: rest rooms
RE: gg: HTM
gg: Freedom of expression, slight return
gg: Sky 
Re: non gg: Jethro Tull
Re: gg: Is 'Rock n' Roll' dead?  Or is it just fading away?
Re: nogg: I speak well english two
Re: gg: Other places.
gg: FWD: Dale (Ladouceur) "Scores" Off Broadway (NYC)
gg: Controversial Covers
gg: Real men...
gg: Geordie thread -- Jez Lowe

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Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 09:33:56 -0400
From: "Kevin Mather" 
Subject: non gg: Jethro Tull

On the subject of tull, who here likes A Passion Play?
This album is their most progressive by far. Like Thick as a Brick, there is
only one song on the album. The use of dissonance on this album is great.
This album might have
never been composed if a particular recording studio in
France had been more to Ian Anderson's liking. Tull went into
this studioin early 73 to record an album. Ian had a bunch of
music written for it. When the studio proved to be more
trouble then Tull was used to, they abandon it, along with the music they
had compesed. Returning to their home base in
England, they proceeded to write and record new material
and abandoned most of what they had planned to use on
this new album. In the end,  A Passion Play was born. You
can hear some of the material that was recorded in the French
studio on Tull's 3 CD box set.

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Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 10:21:54 EDT
From: MogulHespa@aol.com
Subject: Re: non gg: Jethro Tull

kevmath@freewwweb.com writes:

<< On the subject of tull, who here likes A Passion Play?
 This album is their most progressive by far. Like Thick as a Brick, there is
 only one song on the album. The use of dissonance on this album is great. >>

Uh oh, don't get me started!! 
A Passion Play is an epic masterpiece.
For an album that was "hastily recorded" after giving up on the "Chateau 
D'Isaster" (Ian's name for the aforementioned French chateau/recording 
studio), the part writing is incredibly precise, and the texture of the 
instruments is very thoughtfully planned.
The most amazing thing to me is that the lyrics seem to be delightfully 
inspired nonsense when one reads them a line or two at a time, yet taken 
overall they somehow tell a tale of death, rebirth, and visits to the 
afterlife . . . both Heaven and Hell. 
Incidentally, this tale was to be the subject of a movie the next year, for 
which John Cleese was hired as Humour Consultant, or some similar title . . . 
the director dragged his feet on the production, so the band moved on, and 
the movie was never made. Its title was to be "War Child," which became the 
next Jethro Tull album.

Fans of Three Friends, the GG album released the same year as A Passion Play, 
will find many similarities in sound and texture between these two albums. 
Right from the start, the instrumental introductions are similar in many 
ways! 
RECOMMENDATION OF THE WEEK!
Thanks for your time -- I didn't ramble on as much as I could have! 

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Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 10:26:39 EDT
From: MogulHespa@aol.com
Subject: gg: Tull in Guitar World

Oh, and for those who are interested, this month's issue of Guitar World 
magazine features a big (supposedly) interview with Ian Anderson and Martin 
Barre, in which they discuss and rate ALL of their albums. 
I'm going to pick one up in about an hour, so if turns out not to be worth 
the purchase I'll let you know.   

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Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 15:35:57 +0100
From: "Gifford" 
Subject: gg: Fw: DGM NEWS Mailing #2

Just incase anybody's missed this...........

>DGM NEWS Mailing List
>Mailing #2
>August 17th, 1999
>
>BIG NEWS!!
>KING CRIMSON LIVE IN MEXICO CITY DOWNLOAD!!
>
>All Disciplinarians(!) who have been awaiting the release of King Crimson
>Live in Mexico City can now download it from the DGM website at
>http://license.keyconnect.com/wm/dgm/.  Go there today! It's free for a
>limited time only and will not be available in any other format.
>
>DGM has entered into a strategic relationship with Microsoft to launch
>BootlegTV.com, which starting November will offer concerts online on a pay
>per view basis.  All the new KC shows, plus archives, will be available for
>download.  Full news about BootlegTV.com can be found at the above URL, and
>in the press release at
>http://www.disciplineglobalmobile.com/dgmlive/press.html.

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Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 08:21:40 PDT
From: "Mark Wendt - MTO" 
Subject: gg: Is 'Rock n' Roll' dead?  Or is it just fading away?

Re: Mom's Apple Pie and such one member wrote

"That's (what) Rock n' Roll" is all about!"

That is like saying that popcorn is what movies are all about.  Although a 
*lot* of moviegoers eat popcorn - so much so that there is always *someone* 
in the croud eating popcorn  - popcorn itself is just a tangential element 
of the moviegoing experience.  And although a "majority" of moviegoers tend 
to enjoy popcorn, the real *event* is something else - something else that 
can and is enjoyed even by people who loathe popcorn.  My point is that the 
real *draw* of a film is something far more universal in appeal.

Rock n' Roll is about many things.  If I had to pick one description, I'd 
say it is "about" providing a soundtrack to the adventures, escapades, 
travails, and political interests of teenagers.  Of course this definition 
is such that it will never "die" as long as there are teenagers who love 
music.  I thought I might get "bonus points" for that! ;-)

Now - before you complain that this definition is lacking in "musical" 
content - consider that the term 'Rock and Roll' weathered about 40 years of 
changes in popular music as somewhat of a musical chameleon.  I remember 
thinking to myself, "Rock and roll will never die" because such a wide 
variety of mismatched styles of music - (as long as it has a strong beat) 
can be called "Rock and Roll".

QUESTION OF THE DAY:  In the current context of market segmentation, will 
Rock and Roll soon become a term used mainly to describe "oldies"?  Are we 
already experiencing this?  Ska, Rap, whatever the segmented terms are today 
- - have they succeeded in defining themselves to their target market so well 
as to relegate the generalist term "Rock and Roll" to a position of relative 
insignificance?

As recent as the late 1980's I could walk into an American college classroom 
and ask them "How many of you like Rock and Roll music?"  A majority of the 
students would reply that they did - even if they *were* actually expressing 
their affinity for a variety of competing styles that fell under the very 
general term "RnR".  Would this happen today or would they reply something 
mroe like...

"Not really.  I'm into *alternative* rock"
"That old stuff?  No way!  Hip-Hop!  Ska!"
"Rave is where its at..."
or any other number of negative responses to the term "Rock n' Roll".

In other words...  Is 'Rock and Roll' about to die?
Or is it just "fading away"?

What's Your Opinion?

MTO!
:-)


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Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 10:37:08 -0500
From: DE Johnson 
Subject: gg: tRe: vor Rabin (or Rabid Tremors?)

JohnEric  wrote:
>I have to come to Rabin's defense here.  I like the man's work within and
>without Yes.  Frankly, I have a tough time with Howe in nearly everything
>he's done since Close to the Edge.  While everyone else in this group
>seems to be applying the word POP to Rabin's Yes work, I prefere to call
>it a refreshing oil change long over due!  

Although I don't care for Rabin's structural/harmonic ideas very much, but 
his ears are pretty darned incredible. There aren't too many in the biz who 
have this kind of sense about sound, IMSNSHO. 

Doug 



	"Putting the emphasis on bubble gum films is like 
	strip mining: in the short run profitable, in the 
	long run terribly wasteful and, ultimately, poor 
	business." 	Gene Lees ("the lees side" May '70)

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Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 10:02:48 -0600
From: Jeff Smith 
Subject: gg: RE: Butcher cover

>>I believe that "BUTCHER BABIES"? Beatles cover is worth a lot
>>of money.
>>
>At one time it was worth $200 in Portland, when I worked for a
>short time at the used record store.  I don't think it's that
>valuable anymore.

Guess again.  There was one on ebay recently that went for $301 and this was
one that had the new cover applied over it.
(http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=144382273) One with
the original cover showing would go for more because people routinely pay
more that an items worth on ebay.  I was bidding on a 1978 Genesis concert
CD until the bidding got over $40 - it eventually went for $73.  The problem
is, you're bidding against the world, and that's a pretty big audience to
compete with.

NP: Arthur's copy of Liquid Tension Experiment (s/t)

Jeff Smith

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Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 11:25:27 +0000
From: Diana Green 
Subject: Re: gg: re: GG:coming soon to a record shop near you?

hail;
re:


"David J. Loftus" wrote:
And somebody assured me Godley & Creme's _L_ was once issued on CD, but

> I've never seen it.  (I have CDs of "Ismism/Snack Attack" and "Freeze
> Frame.")  Bring that one back, please.

I have seen but unwisely not purchased L as a used CD. Apparently all the G &
C cataog is out on CD at one time or another.
    As a sidebar, OneWay is holding a sale on some overstock and discontinued
stuff, including the Hotlegs Thinks School Stinks CD, which, as we all know,
is really an early 10 CC effort!
still,
dg
np: local news

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Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 11:35:39 +0000
From: Diana Green 
Subject: Re: nogg: Urges for Ursula

hail;
re:


Toby Trott wrote:

> Wacky Racontuers,
>
> I lost who orginally said it, but he/she said:
> >>I think the video version of Ursula LeGuin's  the Lathe of Heaven was
> the best
> >>adaptation I've ever seen.

that would be moi. :-)

>
> >
> >Never read it (and she's from Portland!  Sorry Ursula!) but it was
> *fascinating*
> >TV.  - S.
>
> That's right, folks. Go ahead and torture me. I have never gotten to see
> this and
> have wanted to for absolutely ages. So, is this available on video
> somewhere?

There's a guy who advertises in Comics Buyer's Guide who  listed it in one of his ads about
3 issues back. I have yet to order it as I'm too broke right now, but the guy's been
advertising for years and I'm saving the ad. As far as LEGITIMATE releases: none that I'm
aware of.
still,
dg
np: local news

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Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 11:55:38 +0000
From: Diana Green 
Subject: Re: gg: Tull in Guitar World

hail;
re:


MogulHespa@aol.com wrote:

> Oh, and for those who are interested, this month's issue of Guitar World
> magazine features a big (supposedly) interview with Ian Anderson and Martin
> Barre, in which they discuss and rate ALL of their albums.

Along the same lines, the current issue of fingerstyle guitar has a short
interview and two transcriptions of Steve Howe stuff. Pretty interesting.
still,
dg
news plays on

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Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 12:03:54 +0000
From: Diana Green 
Subject: Re: gg: Is 'Rock n' Roll' dead?  Or is it just fading away?

hail;
re:


Mark Wendt - MTO wrote:

> QUESTION OF THE DAY:  In the current context of market segmentation, will
> Rock and Roll soon become a term used mainly to describe "oldies"?  Are we
> already experiencing this?  Ska, Rap, whatever the segmented terms are today
> - have they succeeded in defining themselves to their target market so well
> as to relegate the generalist term "Rock and Roll" to a position of relative
> insignificance?

Brings to mind the bit in futurama where Fry wants to sit and listen to rap, and
Bender the Robot says, "You just want to sit around and listen to classical
music?"
    I don't think it will die, any more than jazz has died. It will come and go
and have resurgences and be naively regarded as "dinosaur music" much as many of
my generation blithely dismissed big band  for a time. I'm just  looking forward
to the time when rap is perceived this way! VINDICATION!
    We all get our turn, and this generation's musical "revolution" is next
generation's "status quo". so it goes...
still,
dg
np: nessa Glen: Weaving the Wind as Rings

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Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 10:45:35 -0700
From: "Scott Steele" 
Subject: gg: Amoeba; overdums; collector's items; Can't Buy a Thrill; Derek's parts

>and then got my hands dusty poring through the Amoeba Music bargain bins (total take: 10 CD's for a total of less than $60.

Sounds like a wonderful, wonderful day!  That's where I got the complete WB Herbie Hancock for $10 - screamin' deal.

>Yes, there are overdums.

I know what those are - those are when the original track was better than the attempts at correcting it!

David and I were talking about the butcher block album cover:

>> At one time it was worth $200 in Portland, when I worked for a short time at the used record store.  I don't think it's that valuable anymore.

>I remember seeing it for sale in that neighborhood -- one of those places just off 11th and Burnside, I think -- a few years back.  Why do you think the value has fallen, Scott?

I think the market has fallen a bit - people who want those kinds of things already have them.  I could be wrong - anybody look at the ads in Goldmine lately?

>I still think the best one was "Can't Buy a Thrill".

That's a great one.  I bought it for the sitar solo on Do It Again and wound up loving all the songs on there.

>How about Ronnie Jame Dio for Derek's parts?

Right on!

How about Tom Waits?  ;)

>Well, in my mind's player, I envisioned Derek's vocals an octave lower on "Close to the Edge".  Envision it.  Real balls singing "Now that you find, Now that you're whole"...

Well then, let's go back in time and get Gordon McRae to sing it.  ;)  - S.

np:  Firesign, Electrician (Hello, my name is Mello Jello.  I am the head of the athletic department.)

scottst@ohsu.edu

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Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 16:24:17 +0100
From: "Ant" 
Subject: gg: Re: Re: stuff&nonsense

- -----Original Message-----
From: Gifford 


>Being Lincolnshire-born, I'm prepared to stand corrected on that one (or,
>indeed, sit lotus-like), but I'm sure I've heard the phrase used on
>"Emmerdale (Farm)".



Don't get me started on Luvvie actors and their generic northern accents.

Ant

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Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 16:48:02 +0100
From: "Ant" 
Subject: gg: Re: resubbing 

- -----Original Message-----
From: SHudson653@aol.com 


>Hudman here... I uns*ubbed for 1 week during my vacation
>and are having problems getting back on the list. Something
>about a "closed list".. Anyone know what;s up ?????


Yeah we have to remotely interrogate your CD player online to see if  you
have been playing GG recently before you can join back up.

Ant

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Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 16:28:58 +0100
From: "Ant" 
Subject: gg: Laugh! it was like a the Lemon Song.

- -----Original Message-----
From: William Tindall 


> Or to put it another way, I may not know the difference between the Battle
of Borodino and a tiger's bum, but I know what I like.  Besides, you
Alaskans talk funny.
>
>Bill "Yes, that's a lump of coal, all right" T


OK while we're on national stereotypes, is it true all Americans have
analysts? I should either increase the visits Bill, or stop going
altogether. He's probably nuttier than you.

Ant

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Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 16:59:48 +0100
From: "Ant" 
Subject: gg: Eeh thee's a right clutterbuck.

- -----Original Message-----
From: Rik Beck 
> BTW, Ant, I reserve my original accent to entertain the likes of
>you on nights out.

Funny when my relatives come down, they reckon I slowly slip back into it
after each pint of beer.

>My posh science accent is used very sparingly.


Talk with a test tube in your mouth do you?


>Tangentially, for the first time ever I drove down to Italy this summer
>and didn't come back with a truck-load of CDs. I suspect it could be old
>age.

Maybe you forgot to take the truck or you already have the entire Italian
prog output in your collection.


>Also, one big black cloud wrecked my view of the eclipse in Le
>Havre.


Sacre Bleu Monsieur! My chum Steve went to Romania to see it and got a
lovely view. He also got mugged, ripped off and had to suffer water and
electricity curfews. The things we do for astronomy. Trust you had a few
glasses of Breton cider and heard a few bagpipes there.

Ant

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Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 18:27:30 +0100
From: "Ant" 
Subject: gg: Other places.

- -----Original Message-----
From: William Tindall 

><>
>
> Wow.  That's some tangential drive.  You plainly live in the east.  Way
east Yorkshire, or North Cumberumberland.  I'd heard of a road that led to
Italy, but I didn't give the story much creedence.


Ah well there's your problem. Creedence! yes that's it! You have to step
into your wardrobe and sing 'Born on the Bayou' three times and it opens up
the route to Italy via lower Cucumberland, past Banarnia and through where
the Yorkshire puddings grow.

Ant

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Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 18:16:11 +0100
From: "Ant" 
Subject: Re: gg: RE: New Tull

- -----Original Message-----
From: Jim Klocek 


>If I remember correctly, Mom's Apple Pie had a picture of an apple pie (you
>were expecting maybe rhubarb?) with a slice cut out.  The apex of
>the triangle created by the slice resembled labia.


Labia? Is she one of the LaBeque sisters?

Ant

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Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 18:53:46 +0100
From: "Ant" 
Subject: Re: gg: stuff&nonsense

- -----Original Message-----
From: David J. Loftus 
RE: Yes

>[I think their version of "America" sucks;  right down there with Vanilla
>Fudge's Beatles covers]



Gadzooks! I love that. I love both versions but Steve's guitar parts on that
are classic. A kind of electric country/bluegrass tinged twanging over a
very British sounding backing track.

BTW I read in the Guardian newspaper about the character comedian who plays
John Shuttleworth and who was responsible for Gilted John and the soft boys
singles, has a new character who is supposed to be a part time sociology
lecturer and songwriter who's latest paper is on the relationship between
prog music and the orgasm. Entitled 'yes,Yes, YES"

Ant

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Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 11:11:23 -0700 (PDT)
From: "David J. Loftus" 
Subject: Re: gg: Other places.

On Wed, 18 Aug 1999, Ant wrote:

> -----Original Message-----
> From: William Tindall 
> 
> > Wow.  That's some tangential drive.  You plainly live in the east.  Way
> > east Yorkshire, or North Cumberumberland.  I'd heard of a road that 
> > led to Italy, but I didn't give the story much creedence.
> 
> 
> Ah well there's your problem. Creedence! yes that's it! You have to step
> into your wardrobe and sing 'Born on the Bayou' three times and it 
> opens up the route to Italy via lower Cucumberland, past Banarnia and 
> through where the Yorkshire puddings grow.



I thought "Keep On Chooglin' " was the key...?



Or you could sing "oh lord, stuck inna Lodi agin' " over and over and 
eventually someone will take you wherever you want to go just to get rid 
of you.



David Loftus

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Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 11:00:24 -0700
From: "Scott Steele" 
Subject: gg: Ursula; Gone mp3s; b3 tour; Putumayo

>Subject: re: nogg: Urges for Ursula

What about Ursula Dudziak?  One could experience surges of urges for her.

>Use http downloading or streaming with your usual browser.
http://home.sol.no/~vijn/squeele/TRACK_5.MP3 or
http://home.sol.no/~vijn/squeele/ depending on your equipment and preferences.

Thanks for hosting us Mr. Veeb.  Maybe we can put Tracks 6-9 on Bill Tindall's site now, if everyone is finished downloading Tracks 1-4 from there.

>If Satriani, Vai & Johnson was the G3 tour, would Emo & Wakemo be the B3 tour?

I like it!

>Raleigh Billy     n.p. Putumayo's "Cairo to Casablanca"

Which of the Putumayo series do I need to purchase?  - S.

np:  Happy the Man, Live

scottst@ohsu.edu

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Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 16:15:53 +0000
From: Diana Green 
Subject: Re: gg: Amoeba; overdums; collector's items; Can't Buy a Thrill;Derek's  parts

hail;
re:
Scott Steele wrote:

Subject: Re: gg: Ursula; Gone mp3s; b3 tour; Putumayo

hail;
re:


Scott Steele wrote:

> Which of the Putumayo series do I need to purchase?  - S.

From the little I've heard, I'd go with the Celtic Women one.

> np:  Happy the Man, Live

sure, rub it in... ;-)
still,
dg

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Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 16:18:21 -0500
From: Jim Klocek 
Subject: gg: No GG: rest rooms

<>

And they usually have a nice, cushy couch for "those difficult times" :)

Jim

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Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 14:40:11 -0700
From: Aldo Ballestrasse 
Subject: RE: gg: HTM

Hail Diana

You wrote:

> np:  Happy the Man, Live

sure, rub it in... ;-)
still,
dg

If I understand you correctly: can get this very easily at CDNOW.com
just got my copy a couple of days ago.
If I understand you incorrectly please ignore me ;-)

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Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 01:47:21 +0200
From: "Jerry Bartlett" 
Subject: gg: Freedom of expression, slight return

For those in any doubt:
I made "Yanked" to be "Amercanised".
Here, at least, and especially in Sweden, we spot that the American media is
often
quick to censor nudity, (but not violence).

Jeez, am I sorry I forgot to put the irony smiley in!

The reasonbly English...
/Jerry Formerly in Sweden
np That Joke isn't funny anymore, Smiths

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Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 01:58:20 +0200
From: "Jerry Bartlett" 
Subject: gg: Sky 

Talk of Sky and John Williams recently.
Just to prove my Englishness:
I share a car to work, and we play CDs on the way, cos we're guys and don't
talk.
Anyway, having got fed up with the Britney Spears /Spice Girls compliation,
the third
guy, decided to bring his "old TV film themes of the sixties and seventies",
I can't remember the
real title. The Britney fan got the point, and responded with his "Best of
Sky", most of which
I quite enjoyed, with tracks culled from their imaginatively entitled Sky 1,
Sky 2, etc.

The juxtaposition reminded me of the time I saw a gig at the (jazz pub)
Bull's Head in Barnes,
with Herbie Flowers, and Ron Asprey, among others. Well, they did a really
sparkling rendition
of the theme to "Sportsnight with Coleman".

I had this idea that JW and co could reform and, instead of doing classical
rehashes, they could do
the aforementioned number, "Match of the Day", "Pot Black", "Horse of the
Year Show", etc.
Following in their tradition of naming the albums, they'd have to call it
Sky Sports.
/Jerry Formerly in Sweden

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Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 18:12:54 -0400
From: "drj_saro" 
Subject: Re: non gg: Jethro Tull

>this new album. In the end,  A Passion Play was born. You
>can hear some of the material that was recorded in the French
>studio on Tull's 3 CD box set.
>
>
or you can hear _all_ of it on disc one of "Nightcap"!

thank you for your time and attention.

Julius J. SAROKA
drj_saro@neo.rr.com
Cuyahoga Falls OHIO

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Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 23:01:05 EDT
From: Claudio666@aol.com
Subject: Re: gg: Is 'Rock n' Roll' dead?  Or is it just fading away?

In a message dated 8/18/99 9:27:12 AM Mountain Daylight Time, 
markwendt@hotmail.com writes:

<< In other words...  Is 'Rock and Roll' about to die?
 Or is it just "fading away"? >>

Not until I do.  And I'm not planning to fade away or die any time soon...

I agree that the whole industry has become segmented, but that's the 
industry's own fault.  It's called "niche marketing".  Rock and Roll, for me, 
is everything that's NOT any of the following:
Rap
R&B (after the 60s anyway)
HipHop
Country
Disco (only because I get nauseous)
Jazz (not including fusion)
Classical/20th century orchestral
anything involving prepared pianos
EZ listening (not to be confused w/New Age)
New Age (not to be confused with Space Music)

but I WOULD include Reggae, Ska, Blues (as R&R's parent), punk, new wave, 
metal, thrash, alternative, space music and prog.

As I have intentionally left some genres out, please feel free to join in.

Claudio Acapulco (In case you were trying to find me in the phone book)
n.d. Heineken
n.p. Joy Division "Permanent"

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Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 23:18:22 EDT
From: Claudio666@aol.com
Subject: Re: nogg: I speak well english two

In a message dated 8/17/99 11:55:10 PM Mountain Daylight Time, 
xf103rep@svn.net writes:

<<     Many of us seem to overlook the fact that not everyone in this group
 is  a native American. >>

In the spirit of  political correctness, Native Americans were the ones who 
lived here when us whiteys got off the boats and decided that they needed to 
be relocated to the parts we didn't want.  Do you speak Navajo? Hopi? Erie? 
Iriquois? Arapahoe? Anasazi? Pueblo?...No, you speak English, which 
originated in England and related Anglo-Saxon areas.  There. I feel better 
now.

Personally, I feel the term "yanked" is appropriate because us "Yanks" are 
the only ones who do it.  If you know what I mean.

And I applaud our O-R friends from all over the globe who endeavor to speak 
the most difficult language in the world.  I could never begin to speak 
yours, and it is my loss!

Claudio (working on the newly announced Nobel prize for internet use)

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Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 23:19:49 EDT
From: MogulHespa@aol.com
Subject: Re: gg: Other places.

David Loftus writes:

<< Or you could sing "oh lord, stuck inna Lodi agin' " over and over and 
 eventually someone will take you wherever you want to go just to get rid 
 of you. >>

Thank you for the guffaw of the day! I needed it.

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Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 00:40:55 -0500
From: DE Johnson 
Subject: gg: FWD: Dale (Ladouceur) "Scores" Off Broadway (NYC)

FYI... 

>From: "Stick Enterprises, Inc." 
>Subject:      Dale "Scores" Off Broadway
>To: STICKWIRE-L@HOME.EASE.LSOFT.COM
>
>Those of you in and around NYC might be interested to hear Canadian Stick
>artist Dale Ladouceur perform this month in a trio as part of stage play,
>"The Black Rider".  Dale plays Stick during most of the performance as part
>of the Devil's Robato Band.
>
>With her permission I'm posting her message to us with details of the event.
>
>All the Best, Emmett.
>
>------------------------
>
>>Hello Emmett and Yuta,
>>
>>I'm going to be gigging at the NYC fringe from August 16th - 31st. The
>>show is The Black Rider - Tom Waits & William S Burroughs wrote music
>>for this amazing tale and when we performed it last year (to sold out
>>shows and hold-overs)  it was the north american debut. Now we have the
>>biggest venue in NYC Fringe and we are one of only 5 plays (out of 167)
>>to be written up in the Village Voice.  Here are the details - just for
>>your info and anyone elses you care to pass it along to.
>>
>>Lots of love
>>
>>Dale Ladouceur
>>
>>The Fringe gig is at the Harry Dejur Theatre in the Henry Street
>>Settlement - Louis Abrons Arts Center  466 Grand at Pitt St.
>>
>>19th @ 4:15 pm
>>22nd @ 8 pm
>>25th @ 930 pm
>>26th @ 4:15 pm
>>27th @ 9 pm
>>28th @ 12:45 pm
>>29th @ 2:45 pm

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Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 03:57:49 -0400
From: Casey 
Subject: gg: Controversial Covers

> was renamed "When An Old Cricketer Leaves the Crease" with a different cover entirely (Roy with a
> Cricket Bat and the rules on the back).  When the CD came out it had reproductions of both covers so
> it could be sold in the UK with the HQ cover and in the US with the Cricketer cover.
> 
> ROXY MUSIC -- Country Life    This cover with two semi-nude models against a backdrop of ferns was
> originally sold in the US with opaque shrink wrap, it was also released with a censored cover (no
> ladies just the ferns).
> 
> PINK FLOYD -- Wish You Were Here   Was originally sold in the US with opaque shrink wrap but I'm not
> sure if this was censorship or some obtuse marketing gimick.
> 
> PINK FLOYD --  A Nice Pair (first two albums as a twofer) was modified slightly to eliminate some
> breasts.


I'm not sure if this has been mentioned or not, but Jethro Tull's soon
to be released CD Dot Com, has a (naked)Satye emblazoned with member
apparent.
- -- 

- -Casey

Please visit my website at:
Http://www.angelfire.com/mi/nitecap/index.html

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Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 08:07:47 -0400 (EDT)
From: mammienun@webtv.net
Subject: gg: Real men...

eat meat. The redder the better. I was hoping for a place that serves
raw kibbi or steak tartar. Maybe we should go Italian. The Wascley
Wabbits can have pasta primavira while the rest have the spicy
meatballs. Bert...I thought you wanted a piece of my famous sausage
roll! q;^()> Will there be discussions about this obscure band, Gentle
Giant, during dinner...maybe I should buy their cd...are they as good as
the Stones or Spocks Beard? Later, Ez 

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Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 08:39:12 EDT
From: "Virginia Landgraf" 
Subject: gg: Geordie thread -- Jez Lowe

There's a delightful song on the 1998 album by Jez Lowe and the Bad Pennies, 
_The Parish Notices_.  He describes it as "a homesick blues, written after a 
solo tour of Australia in 1995: 'Had away, gan on' is a County Durham 
dialect expression, meaning 'get away, go on.'"  Lowe's UK contact address 
is in Peterlee, County Durham.

"Had Away, Gan On"

The sky was scarred with rainbows
And bruised black with April showers
It was warm at Sydney Harbour Bridge
But as wet as Blackpool Tower
And the man with the mandolin last night
Was weeping deep for Dublin
As I practised basic native tongue
On the French girl I was cuddling

Chorus: I said
Had away, gan on
Why man what ya deein'
Well, I wish that I was back with them
That know just what I mean
When I say had away, gan on

The Yankee on the aeroplane said
Man you're white with terror
I said I much prefer the terra firma down there marra
He said are you a Scotsman
I said only when I'm angry
He smiled and said your humour tells me
you must be a Cockney

(chorus)

That customs man in shorts and cream
Was as hairy as a carpet
He said mate what's your football team
I said Hartlepool United
He said me father saw them play once back in '67
When he had to fake a gamy leg
When they couldn't make eleven

(chorus)

Last night a woman said
I had the style of Frank Sinatra
A professor up from Wollongong
Said I'd the pen of Jean-Paul Sartre
And a Scotsman said me songs were shite
And me accent was a scandal
And the only true-born Geordies left were
Sting and Johnny Handle

(chorus)

And if I'd have learned the songs I should
I'd sing you Blaydon Races
But all I know are Dylan songs
And that single by Oasis
I dreamed I saw old Bob last night
He was drunker than a scuttle
He was trying to play some slide guitar with a
Newcastle Brown Ale bottle

(chorus)

[apologies for all the omitted internal punctuation -- it's faster to type 
that way, as someone undoubtedly figured out while preparing the CD booklet]

Now my questions:

What's a gamy leg?
Who's Johnny Handle?

Ginny


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