on-reflection-digest     Friday, August 20 1999     Volume 01 : Number 1827



nogg: RE: Butcher cover
gg: Listen to Magma on the net
Re: gg: Geordie thread -- Jez Lowe
no gg: CCR
gg: R&R/LL
RE: gg: Geordie thread -- Jez Lowe
RE: gg: Geordie thread -- Jez Lowe
gg: Spock's skin
Re: gg: Geordie thread -- Jez Lowe
gg: 'ELP! I need somebody!/Steely prog?/Apple Pie & Eugene Levy/Metal
no gg: Where's MINCER? Where's BENJAMIN WILLIAMS?
gg: GG guitar tabs
gg: Roy Harper/Gillan/Fripp's Red House/Dio
gg: Re: Morte macabre
Re: gg: Is 'Rock n' Roll' dead?  + Don't call me Ska face.
gg: Re: Sky 
Re: gg: Re: Morte macabre
gg: Re: Spock's skin
Re: gg: Geordie thread -- Jez Lowe
gg: Passion Play; KC download; rock n roll; butcher block redux; analysts; Ant; Chapman; HtM; Yanks
Re: gg: Geordie thread -- Johnny Handle
Re: gg: Re: Morte macabre
Re: gg: Re: Sky
Re: gg: Passion Play; KC download; rock n roll; butcher block  redux;analysts; Ant; Chapman; HtM; Yanks
RE: gg: Geordie thread -- Jez Lowe
gg: Re: September GGetogether
Re: gg: Re: Morte macabre
gg: Tool
gg: Ion Pass Play and the KaCey LowDown (or Brutes on Red Ranches?)
Re: gg: Tool
gg: And Tie The Sis of Prawns (or Mt. Progloditus?)
gg: Re: Gorggmail:  Which airport should you fly into?
gg: Re: Rock is Dead, Long Live Rock

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Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 09:51:16 EDT
From: Biffyshrew@aol.com
Subject: nogg: RE: Butcher cover

Scott Steele wrote:

>>I remember seeing it for sale in that neighborhood -- one of those places 
just off >>11th and Burnside, I think -- a few years back.  Why do you think 
the value has >>fallen, Scott?
>
>I think the market has fallen a bit - people who want those kinds of things 
already >have them.  I could be wrong - anybody look at the ads in Goldmine 
lately?

The Butcher Cover commands a very wide range of prices depending on 
condition, mono/stereo configuration and "state" (never pasted, pasted over, 
or pasted and peeled).  There's a framed first-state copy on the wall at 
Amoeba in San Francisco with an asking price of $10,000; a Goldmine ad for 
the Good Rockin' Tonight auction recently listed copies with minimum bids of 
$8,500 and $20,000 (the latter being a mint, still-sealed, first-state 
stereo).  Judging by  GRT's track record, these probably sold for well above 
the minimum.  On the other hand, I often see peeled copies at record 
conventions for around $150.

Love me do,
Biffy the Elephant Shrew

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Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 17:24:36 +0200
From: Yehuda Kotton 
Subject: gg: Listen to Magma on the net

Gifford wrote:

> >BIG NEWS!!
> >KING CRIMSON LIVE IN MEXICO CITY DOWNLOAD!!

 Once you've done downloading Crimson you may want to change pace and
cool down with some soothing, mellow music by Magma.

 The June 1st Magma show from "The house of blues" in LA is archived and
available for listening at:
http://www.hob.com/live/concerts/990601magma/

have fun,
Yehuda

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Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 10:29:33 EDT
From: SPBrader@aol.com
Subject: Re: gg: Geordie thread -- Jez Lowe

Ginny asked:

<< What's a gamy leg?>>

Lame. As in the condition, not the question :-)

 <>

Sounds like something you 'yank' to make the cistern flush.

Si
n.p. Greenslade Live

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Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 10:34:08 -0400
From: "Jerry McCarthy" 
Subject: no gg: CCR

Ant wrote:

> Labia? Is she one of the LaBeque sisters?

No, The Labia is a Genesis song from one of those 70s concept albums
that may or may not have any filler, depending upon how LOUDLY you
type.  ;-)


> Ah well there's your problem. Creedence! yes that's it! You have to step
> into your wardrobe and sing 'Born on the Bayou' three times and it opens up
> the route to Italy via lower Cucumberland, past Banarnia and through where
> the Yorkshire puddings grow.

I am loathe to admit this, but... Sometime during July I was
forced/coerced/guilted into attending a concert that I had no desire to
see, something that rarely happens to me but this time couldn't be
helped. It was a Beach Boys/Creedence Clearwater Revisited pairing at
the Jones Beach Amphitheater in Wantagh, Long Island, NY. And although
the BB show was every bit as painful to endure as I expected it to be
(Mike Love, obviously auditioning to be the Perry Como of the Dawning
Millennium, looks like he'll require a walker soon), I have to admit
that the CCRevisited show turned out to be great fun. 

Although no one would take their current frontman to be the second
coming of John Fogerty, he *did* do a pretty good job of sounding like
him most of the time, and the unexpected (by me, anyway) appearance of
ex-Cars Elliot Easton -- a Long Island native, incidentally -- on lead
guitar made the proceedings more interesting than they might've been
otherwise. The band played with a lot of spirit and it really didn't
feel like they were just going through the motions as I had feared.

It was good to hear those classic Creedence songs performed live by half
of the original group for once (the only live CCR I'd ever heard had
been by bad wedding and/or bar bands), and during those moments when I
was able to block out that eerie Ghost-of-the-Fogerty's feeling from my
mind, I actually enjoyed it a lot. 

I tried to escape to the parking lot during the intermission but my
fiancee retrieved me by the scruff of the neck and made me come back to
sit through the Beach Geezers ... er, Boys. Half a nice evening, anyway.


"Help me, Rhonda, yeah, get her outta my walker..."


- --Jerry

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Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 09:37:07 -0500
From: "Lottich, Steve" 
Subject: gg: R&R/LL

MTO:
> In other words...  Is 'Rock and Roll' about to die?

I go by a very narrow definition of "Rock and Roll".  To me, it means the
earliest form of Rock from the 50's and early 60's (also those newer forms
which emulate it, like Rockabilly).  Everything newer is just "Rock".
_ _ _

Ant:
> >the triangle created by the slice resembled labia.
> 
> Labia? Is she one of the LaBeque sisters?

Yes, she's the lippy one.

Slotster

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Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 07:58:53 -0700
From: William Tindall 
Subject: RE: gg: Geordie thread -- Jez Lowe

Si says:

<< Sounds like something you 'yank' to make the cistern flush.>>

	What's a "cistern"?  Some Leamington thingummy?

Bill T 

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Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 08:04:11 -0700 (PDT)
From: "David J. Loftus" 
Subject: RE: gg: Geordie thread -- Jez Lowe

On Thu, 19 Aug 1999, William Tindall wrote:

> Si says:
> 
> << Sounds like something you 'yank' to make the cistern flush.>>
> 
> 	What's a "cistern"?  Some Leamington thingummy?






Feminine form of "brethren."

No wonder they flush when you yank.


David Loftus

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Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 16:05:38 +0100 (BST)
From: Rik Beck 
Subject: gg: Spock's skin

A propos nothing at all...

I picked up a recent copy of 'Classic Rock' yesterday, together with the
free CD featuring the new epic from YES. Very good stuff, although I've
downloaded another track from the internet which is not so good (called
'Lightning Strikes'). Anyway, there's a track on there by Spock's Beard
called 'Skin' which I am disappointed with. SB is currently about number
7 on my ever-growing list of bands' CDs to buy, and if this track is
representative, I don't think I'll bother. Pop with keyboards. Is anyone
here familiar with this track and, if so, how representative of the band
would they say this particular track is? (it's from 1999, and could be a
forthcoming release, I don't know)

BTW, according to my computer thesaurus, a synonym for yank is jerk.
Where does that leave our transatlantic cousins :-)

sorry

rb

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Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 08:24:49 PDT
From: "Dan Weese" 
Subject: Re: gg: Geordie thread -- Jez Lowe

>What's a gamy leg?

A limp, a bad leg.

>Who's Johnny Handle?

A folk singer who writes about the Midlands.
http://www.pipemedia.net/users/jeffd/folkw07.htm


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Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 11:26:57 EDT
From: "Reginald Dunlop" 
Subject: gg: 'ELP! I need somebody!/Steely prog?/Apple Pie & Eugene Levy/Metal

Bonjourno Geants!

The Biffster wrote about ELP:

>Odd that they didn't do Dave Brubeck the same courtesy.

Speaking of Brubeck..., I listened to "Time Out" on the weekend for the 
first time in about 2 years. What an amazing jazz album it is! Not one 
stinker of a tune on the entire album. A true jazz classic. Joe Morello is a 
god.

Scott Steele wrote:

> >Q:  Does Steely Dan count as prog?
>
>Nope.  No mellotrons.  ;)  But it counts as music with brains.

I dunno Scott, "Countdown To Ecstasy" has quite a few proggy moments. I love 
the tune "Boston Rag". I just bought the new remaster here in hoserland. The 
sound is quite an improvement from the other issues.

Diana Green wrote about Apple Pie:

>true, true.  One salient detail is omitted, however. the apex of the
>missing pie piece (right at the center where the two cuts meet) more than
>vaguely and quite deliberately resembles a vagina in full lubrication.

...and didn't Eugene Levy catch his son performing an *act* on that apple 
pie? ;) "Just like warm apple pie" his friends told him. Please turn to the 
middle section of "Shaved"...this magazine I'm not too familiar with. :) On the Relayer, Heavy Metal thread, pull up Gentle Giant Power & The Glory
>(import) - it's heavy metal too!  I guess Cog in Cogs is some kick-ass 
>heavy
>metal.

I would have to say that the best piece I've recently heard of Heavy Metal 
Prog. would have to be the 18+ minute track on the new Morte Macabre CD 
called "Symphonic Holocost". My friends and I are were listening to this on 
the Ohio Turnpike on the way to Cleveland to see Porcupine Tree a few months 
back. My best friend("Mike") said it was the heaviest piece of music he'd 
heard since Bark Psychosis' "Murder City" and Voivod's remake of KC's "21st 
Century Schizoid Man"(a must hear!). I must agree with him. :)

>
>np: Arthur's copy of Porcupine Tree - The Sky Moves Sideways

...sometimes I feel like a fist. ;)

Ranting,

REGINALD DUNLOP


np: ANACRUSIS - "Manic Impressions"
up next: VOIVOD - "Killing Technology"
on deck: QUIET SUN - "Mainstream"


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Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 17:06:56 +0200
From: "Jorunn Nome & Bert Vijn" 
Subject: no gg: Where's MINCER? Where's BENJAMIN WILLIAMS?

Hi folks,

Where's BEN WILLIAMS? Groggmail to him fails. You have another address for me,
Ben?

Where's THE MINCER? Gorggmail to him/her fails. You have another address for me,
Mincer?


Bandwidth sorries in abundance,
Virtual Bert

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Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 18:45:24 +0200
From: Yehuda Kotton 
Subject: gg: GG guitar tabs

I've transcribed some bits and pieces from GG songs and written them
down as guitar tabs. 
 For those who don't know, tab (tablature) is a form of music notation
for fretted musical instruments, sort of like "playing by numbers".

 If anybody wants them then reply to me. 

	
This what I wrote down so far:

Experience - The opening keyboard bits which are also the accompanyment
to the verse. Sort of hard to play but fun.

Proclamation - The opening keyboard part and the keyboard accompanyment
to the verse.

Cogs in Cogs - Many of the riffs from the song

So Sincere - Opening chords (easier to play on guitar than you would
expect) and a few other bits

Wreck - A few bits 'n pieces

Excerpts from Octopus - The part of the guitar duet from "Acquiring the
Taste"

Talybont - An arangement for guitar that I play that is somewhat
different than the original
 
have fun,
Yehuda
np: Univers Zero - Uzed

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Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 11:51:52 EDT
From: "Reginald Dunlop" 
Subject: gg: Roy Harper/Gillan/Fripp's Red House/Dio

Bonjourno Geants!

Bob Angilly  wrote:

>Other Controversial covers:
>
>ROY  HARPER -- HQ  (cover has Roy walking across water, wouldn't play well 
>in the Bible Belt), album
>was renamed "When An Old Cricketer Leaves the Crease" with a different 
>cover entirely (Roy with a
>Cricket Bat and the rules on the back).

This is the one with Bill Bruford on drums right? Man..., I've been looking 
for "When An Old Cricketer" for years, never realising the title of the 
album was changed to "HQ"(which is very much available on CD). Thanks for 
this tip! Off to by Roy Harper's "HQ". Roy is a super cool(and weird) guy in 
which I had the pleasure to drink several Molson Canadians with the man for 
4 days in the Spring of 1993.

Scott Steele wrote:

>How about Ian Gillan on I Lost My Head?

How about Ian Gillan on "Why Not?" and "Think Of Me With Kindness"? Good 
call on the "I Lost My Head" though. :)

>Then you missed his(Fripp) solo on Red House.  Twisted twisted twisted!

Yes indeed...He blew all the spandex nancy-boys away! :)

Tomas wrote:

>
>How about Ronnie Jame Dio for Derek's parts?

Ha! Ha! Ha! Dio rocks! :) This made my day.

Later,

REGINALD DUNLOP

np: VOIVOD - "Killing Technology"
next up: QUIET SUN - "Mainstream"
on deck: GNIDROLOG - "In Spite Of Harry's Toenail"



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Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 18:53:07 +0200
From: Yehuda Kotton 
Subject: gg: Re: Morte macabre

Reginald Dunlop wrote:

> I would have to say that the best piece I've recently heard of Heavy Metal
> Prog. would have to be the 18+ minute track on the new Morte Macabre CD
> called "Symphonic Holocost". My friends and I are were listening to this on
> the Ohio Turnpike on the way to Cleveland to see Porcupine Tree a few months
> back. My best friend("Mike") said it was the heaviest piece of music he'd
> heard since Bark Psychosis' "Murder City" and Voivod's remake of KC's "21st
> Century Schizoid Man"(a must hear!). I must agree with him. :)

"Symphonic Holocaust" and a few other Morte Macabre tunes are "on
rotation" on the Yursttunes shoutcast channel:
http://www.live365.com/cgi-bin/play.pls?addr=216.32.166.89:20088&file=filename.pls 

you can see the playlist for the channel updated in realtime at:
http://yursttunes.etonnant.com/

have fun,
Yehuda

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Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 16:58:30 +0100
From: "Ant" 
Subject: Re: gg: Is 'Rock n' Roll' dead?  + Don't call me Ska face.

- -----Original Message-----
From: Claudio666@aol.com 
>I agree that the whole industry has become segmented, but that's the
>industry's own fault.  It's called "niche marketing".  Rock and Roll, for
me,


>but I WOULD include Reggae, Ska, Blues (as R&R's parent), punk, new wave,
>metal, thrash, alternative, space music and prog.


What's in a name? I always thought it was a bit funny when as a teenager I
heard American DJ's or people on US TV shows use Rock'n'Roll as a generic
term for beat centred music. In Britain Rock'nRoll was the name for what was
done in the 50's by those guys with drainpipe trousers and long jackets.
Eddy Cochrane, Elvis, Little Richard and Chuck Berry were Rock'n'Roll. Rock
was the generic term but that became a name for heavy metal and the like.

Ska BTW is Rock'n'Roll's mutant brother. It's earlier form, Bluebeat was
born around the same time as those late 50's rockers were inverting the beat
of the blues (from 2&4 to 1&3) to make R&R. On the islands in the Carribean
sea, the Blues became danceable using cheap, found and improvised
instruments. Hence Blue Beat and the vocalised percussive noises where
someone was trying to emulate a cymbal, sounded like you were singing
"Sssssskkaaa" so that's what it became known as.

Ant

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Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 17:08:33 +0100
From: "Ant" 
Subject: gg: Re: Sky 

- -----Original Message-----
From: Jerry Bartlett 
>I quite enjoyed, with tracks culled from their imaginatively entitled Sky
1,
>Sky 2, etc.


I recently bought 3 Sky CD's as I had warm and fuzzy memories of them. The
reality didn't live up to the memory however and I ended up giving them to
my mother. She always liked Sky.



>I had this idea that JW and co could reform and, instead of doing classical
>rehashes, they could do
>the aforementioned number, "Match of the Day", "Pot Black", "Horse of the
>Year Show", etc.
>Following in their tradition of naming the albums, they'd have to call it
>Sky Sports.



Ho, ho, ho! Well actually, they did do one called 5 Live.

Ant

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Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 09:52:56 PDT
From: "Dan Weese" 
Subject: Re: gg: Re: Morte macabre

> > I would have to say that the best piece I've recently heard of Heavy 
>Metal
> > Prog. would have to be the 18+ minute track on the new Morte Macabre CD
> > called "Symphonic Holocaust".

Yep.

My vote for most interesting Heavy Metal noises with proggish tendencies is 
Tool, Aenima.  The best feedback noises since KC Red, imho.  The CD has some 
muy wack graphics using MultiImage technology.


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Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 17:36:35 +0100
From: "Ant" 
Subject: gg: Re: Spock's skin

Richard,
                haven't heard the single version but the whole album was not
up to scratch compared to their previous. In fact they have gone poppier
over the last two.

They are playing at the Astoria on 2nd Oct so I guess you won't be
interested. Jerry Bartlett and myself will be there. Also Caravan are there
the night before if you care to join me & Steve there.

Ant


- -----Original Message-----
From: Rik Beck 
To: on-reflection@darkwing.uoregon.edu 
Date: Thursday, August 19, 1999 04:45
Subject: gg: Spock's skin


>A propos nothing at all...
>
>I picked up a recent copy of 'Classic Rock' yesterday, together with the
>free CD featuring the new epic from YES. Very good stuff, although I've
>downloaded another track from the internet which is not so good (called
>'Lightning Strikes'). Anyway, there's a track on there by Spock's Beard
>called 'Skin' which I am disappointed with. SB is currently about number
>7 on my ever-growing list of bands' CDs to buy, and if this track is
>representative, I don't think I'll bother. Pop with keyboards. Is anyone
>here familiar with this track and, if so, how representative of the band
>would they say this particular track is? (it's from 1999, and could be a
>forthcoming release, I don't know)
>
>BTW, according to my computer thesaurus, a synonym for yank is jerk.
>Where does that leave our transatlantic cousins :-)
>
>sorry
>
>rb
>
>
>

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Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 17:58:47 +0100
From: "Ant" 
Subject: Re: gg: Geordie thread -- Jez Lowe

- -----Original Message-----
From: SPBrader@aol.com 

>Ginny asked:
> <>
>
>Sounds like something you 'yank' to make the cistern flush.


Nah! surely it's the knob on a Durex machine. (Oh No not more Transatlatic
double meanings)


Ant

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Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 10:20:46 -0700
From: "Scott Steele" 
Subject: gg: Passion Play; KC download; rock n roll; butcher block redux; analysts; Ant; Chapman; HtM; Yanks

>On the subject of tull, who here likes A Passion Play?

I do!  I do!

>BIG NEWS!!
>KING CRIMSON LIVE IN MEXICO CITY DOWNLOAD!!

This has not worked for me yet.  I will continue to try to download the concert.

>Rock n' Roll is about many things.

One of the Roche sisters on League of Gentlemen:  "Rock and roll is about Fucking!"

>QUESTION OF THE DAY:  In the current context of market segmentation, will Rock and Roll soon become a term used mainly to describe "oldies"?

That's a possibility.

>>At one time it was worth $200 in Portland, when I worked for a
short time at the used record store.  I don't think it's that valuable anymore.

>Guess again.  There was one on ebay recently that went for $301 and this was one that had the new cover applied over it.

Yes but that could have been the E-Bay phenomenon, where people gather to pay outrageous prices for things they can't find as easily anywhere else.

But I am open to the idea that I guessed wrong originally too.

>OK while we're on national stereotypes, is it true all Americans have analysts? I should either increase the visits Bill, or stop going
altogether. He's probably nuttier than you.

It's better than that:  all Americans *are* analysts.  You can tell that immediately when you think about how anal we are.

>Talk with a test tube in your mouth do you?

Is that a test tube in your pocket, or are you just happy to see me?

>Labia? Is she one of the LaBeque sisters?

Stop it, I'm laughing too hard!  I can't breathe!!

>the copy of Double Fantasy that Lennon signed to Mark Chapman earlier the day he was killed by him.

I know a fellow from the McLaughlin list whose name is actually Mark Chapman.  He went to see Remember Shakti in NY and Sean Lennon and the girl from Cibo Matto were sitting behind him.  He said he had to resist the urge to introduce himself by name!  Troublemaker.

>> np:  Happy the Man, Live

>sure, rub it in... ;-)

The Circular Motion!  This should be readily available at Wayside at least.

>Personally, I feel the term "yanked" is appropriate because us "Yanks" are the only ones who do it.  If you know what I mean.

Imagine the disappointment of the creators of There's Something About Mary, and American Pie, and the like, as they realize that no one on the continent will get the jokes!

>And I applaud our O-R friends from all over the globe who endeavor to speak the most difficult language in the world.  I could never begin to speak yours, and it is my loss!

I feel the same way!  - S.

np:  Gone Orch rough mixes from last Tuesday night!

scottst@ohsu.edu

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Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 18:32:29 +0100
From: "Ant" 
Subject: Re: gg: Geordie thread -- Johnny Handle

- -----Original Message-----
>>Ginny asked:
>> <>


OK Apparently he's a folk artist from Newcastle who plays piano,
Northumbrian pipes, accordian and sings. You can book him by phoning +44
1207 543873.

How'bout that for info!

Ant

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Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 22:01:18 +0300 (EET DST)
From: Ville V Sinkko 
Subject: Re: gg: Re: Morte macabre

> > heard since Bark Psychosis' "Murder City" and Voivod's remake of KC's "21st
> > Century Schizoid Man"(a must hear!). I must agree with him. :)
> 

You got me interested. where can I find the latter one?


- --
65
  Zn	NP Art Zoyd - "Divertissement" (creepy as HELL)
30

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Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 14:32:00 +0000
From: Diana Green 
Subject: Re: gg: Re: Sky

hail;
re:


Ant wrote:

> I recently bought 3 Sky CD's as I had warm and fuzzy memories of them. The
> reality didn't live up to the memory however and I ended up giving them to
> my mother. She always liked Sky.

I'm a Sky junkie and I don't care who knows it. The only one of theirs I've
found on CD so far is Cadmium, but I do have everything through The Great
Balloon Race (something of a disappointment) on vinyl, and I've yet to see the
Mozart album in any form. Also have one of their concerts on vid, and solo
albums by Kevin Peek, Williams (of course), and Monkman (of course!)

>
>
> >I had this idea that JW and co could reform and, instead of doing classical
> >rehashes, they could do
> >the aforementioned number, "Match of the Day", "Pot Black", "Horse of the
> >Year Show", etc.
> >Following in their tradition of naming the albums, they'd have to call it
> >Sky Sports.

I always thought they should do an album covering all those anthony Braxton
compositions with mathematical formulae as titles, and call it "Pi in the Sky".
still,
dg
np: Nessa Glen: Wearing the Wind as Rings

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Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 14:38:32 +0000
From: Diana Green 
Subject: Re: gg: Passion Play; KC download; rock n roll; butcher block  redux;analysts; Ant; Chapman; HtM; Yanks

hail;
re:


Scott Steele wrote:

> >On the subject of tull, who here likes A Passion Play?
>
> I do!  I do!

Most of it's ok, but I'm not a big fan of it or TaaB.

>
>
> >QUESTION OF THE DAY:  In the current context of market segmentation, will Rock and Roll soon become a term used mainly to describe "oldies"?
>
> That's a possibility.

 A reality on VH-1.

> >OK while we're on national stereotypes, is it true all Americans have analysts? I should either increase the visits Bill, or stop going
> altogether. He's probably nuttier than you.
>
> It's better than that:  all Americans *are* analysts.  You can tell that immediately when you think about how anal we are.

From an old National Lampoon: "you can't spell analysis without A-N-A-L."

> >the copy of Double Fantasy that Lennon signed to Mark Chapman earlier the day he was killed by him.
>
> I know a fellow from the McLaughlin list whose name is actually Mark Chapman.  He went to see Remember Shakti in NY and Sean Lennon and the girl from Cibo Matto were sitting behind him.  He said he had to resist the urge to introduce himself by name!  Troublemaker.

there was also an actor who was slated to play Lennon named David Mark Chapman. when they realized it, they pulled him off the show - some TV movie. Rather unfair, I thought. He did resemble him a bit. He got a job as the mad scientist in the live action version of
Swamp Thing, which still shows sometime or other on the SF Channel, I think.
still,
dg
 nessa glen plays on....

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Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 17:32:17 EDT
From: "Virginia Landgraf" 
Subject: RE: gg: Geordie thread -- Jez Lowe

Si wrote:
[Johnny Handle] <<< Sounds like something you 'yank' to make the cistern 
flush.>>>

Bill Tindall wrote:
<>

David Loftus wrote:


Gives a whole new set of imagery to stanza 4 of this Isaac Watts psalm 
paraphrase often sung to Timothy Swan's wonderful tune "Rainbow" in Sacred 
Harp singing:

<>

That would be some high-powered nitrogen fertilizing, wouldn't it?  ;-)

Ginny


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Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 18:00:40 -0700 (PDT)
From: JohnEric 
Subject: gg: Re: September GGetogether

LaborDay weekend is out for me, but virtually everything else is fine.

JEE

- --- Scott Steele  wrote:
> Too bad we have to reschedule but I think we should wait until all can
> make it.  Most Sundays are good for me, and I will send another note
> when I get back to my own desk which has my own calendar on it.  !  - S.
> 
> >>> "David J. Loftus"  08/19 2:34 PM >>>
> 
> 
> We've now lost Jonathan Ayers and James Takahashi from the proposed
> Sept. 
> 12 get-together -- two of the players who missed the first GG fest in 
> late July.  That seems unfortunate to me.
> 
> Scott, perhaps we should cancel this gig and look for a date that's more
> 
> suited to everybody's needs?
> 
> Why don't the rest of you pass in your weekends or individual weekend 
> days that are preferred and totally out?
> 
> 
> David Loftus
> 
> 

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Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 22:02:10 EDT
From: Claudio666@aol.com
Subject: Re: gg: Re: Morte macabre

In a message dated 8/19/99 11:08:08 AM Mountain Daylight Time, 
danweese@hotmail.com writes:

<< My vote for most interesting Heavy Metal noises with proggish tendencies 
is 
 Tool, Aenima.  >>

Really a good CD except for the gratuitous profanity.  Not that I'm any 
G**da**** fu***** puritan, but I just found it totally unnecessary.

Claudio
n.d. Left Hand Sawtooth Ale
n.p. Seahawks/49ers.  Preseason football is better than no football at all...

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Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 22:50:29 -0400
From: "David and Stacey Shur" 
Subject: gg: Tool

> In a message dated 8/19/99 11:08:08 AM Mountain Daylight Time,
> danweese@hotmail.com writes:
> << My vote for most interesting Heavy Metal noises with proggish
tendencies
> is
>  Tool, Aenima.  >>

Good call, Claudio and Dan Weese.  Tool's Aenima is an amazing album,
particularly the bass and drums.  As Claudio points out, there is a lot of
unnecessary profanity.  It is a most violent album.  Worth listening to,
IMHO.  -David Eric

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Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 22:06:53 -0500
From: DE Johnson 
Subject: gg: Ion Pass Play and the KaCey LowDown (or Brutes on Red Ranches?)

"Scott Steele"  wrote:
>>On the subject of tull, who here likes A Passion Play?
>
>I do!  I do!

(D)Passion Play is and has alwaze been my fav Tull album. Then follows 
(E)Minstrel in the Gallery, and Songs from the Wood. I have yet to deal 
(J)with TaaB for various reasons. Time is a funny thing. 

>>BIG NEWS!! KING CRIMSON LIVE IN MEXICO CITY DOWNLOAD!!
>This has not worked for me yet.  I will continue to try to download 
>the concert.

(DJ)I've tried it once, too, but I wasn't successful. 

Doug 

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Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 01:14:39 EDT
From: WhytePunk@aol.com
Subject: Re: gg: Tool

In a message dated 08/19/1999 11:06:15 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
dshur@erols.com writes:

<< Good call, Claudio and Dan Weese.  Tool's Aenima is an amazing album,
 particularly the bass and drums.  As Claudio points out, there is a lot of
 unnecessary profanity.  It is a most violent album.  Worth listening to,
 IMHO.  -David Eric >>


I think all of Tool is worth listening to!!!  "Undertow" had their "hits" 
(Sober and Prison Sex) 
but the whole cd is quite moving and has a cool spoken word break by 
singer/actor Henry Rollins. The ep "Opiate" is very nasty and violent and 
contains one of my favorite Tool songs called "Hush"....I never did check to 
see if they'd released anything after Ænima...Hmmm, now I'll have too!        
   Neil

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Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 00:33:23 -0500
From: DE Johnson 
Subject: gg: And Tie The Sis of Prawns (or Mt. Progloditus?)

(DJ)Lest we forget El Duce'...R.I.P. Disgusting and Nasty little man... 

Doug 

P.S. ...und Sparx ist sehr painless... 

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Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 08:05:20 -0400 (EDT)
From: mammienun@webtv.net
Subject: gg: Re: Gorggmail:  Which airport should you fly into?

I'm in the process of checking maps, public transportation, etc. Newark
is definitely closer to the hotel than JFK or LaGuardia. There are buses
that run between the Port Authority and the Hotel. The guy from Quality
Inn faxed me a bus schedule but it's difficult to decipher at best. The
line is the 192 Clifton-New York. I'll try looking around on the net to
see if I can find some more info...if not I'll make some calls. Later,
Ez BTW...since I can't save that ever burgeoning list of names,
everyone gets this!

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Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 08:41:33 -0400
From: "charles / wmo" 
Subject: gg: Re: Rock is Dead, Long Live Rock

>In other words...  Is 'Rock and Roll' about to die?
>Or is it just "fading away"?
>
>What's Your Opinion

 Anything that's 40-50 years old... I'll put it this way" Rock's Grand
fathers are approaching Social Security age, are they still Rock-Roll? Think
About the Who and what they once/now meant/mean.
What most "post-grunge" Popular acts (say anything on the American Pie
soundtrack) are about is their generation's interpretation of what
Rock-N-Roll means to them. That completely validates what THEY are doing,
since part of the R-N-R definition is that "coming of age, f*ck with the
system" aesthetic. But it isn't really anything new. (And of course, f*cking
with people will never go out of fashion!) Certainly the Sex Pistols were
calculated effort, and a million punters followed. Punk's adherents are
typically teenagers, and male. Their angst every generation will express
that angst. But I will assume that this topic is really about Music. Grunge
could be considered the last "new thing" to come out of R-N-R". As for the
Music Industry, the nativity has been lost forever by most accounts, but
certainly since Nirvana caught them off guard, everything since is
Completely calculated. I don't think Prog was - in its early days - that
calculated. I'd love to see Radiohead put out an album  like Close To The
Edge! (This is also my fascination with group's first records from that late
sixties, early seventies early - they were developing their formulas...)

Look at the analogy with Jazz: Given Jazz was born in the 20's, Free Jazz in
the late finites, and Fusion in the late sixties... Who would be the Tony
Williams' Lifetime today? I for one would propose that Music made entirely
with computers and samplers is the "New Form" of Rock-n-Roll since it
disregards all "Beat Combo" methods i.e. of creating music.

IMHO, of course! :)

charles

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