on-reflection-digest   Thursday, September 23 1999   Volume 01 : Number 1878



gg: studio recordings vs. live performances
Re: gg: no GG - BOOKS
Re: gg: Re: Kottke
gg: GG: FZ, MC, and RH (or Stew Dio v. Evil?)
RE: nongg: Passport
Re: gg: bawdy bawdy bawdy
Re: gg: Re: Bawdy album covers
Re: no gg: A&M
Re: gg: Re: Bawdy album covers
Re: nogg: Bankok, healthy debates, violence, firsts, Leo Kotke, and MIM
gg: Re: Suddenly it all becomes clear [was: Herb Alpert and a bunch of re:'s] Omigod GG content!
Re: gg: Bawdy album covers
Re: gg: Re: Kottke
Re: gg: no GG - BOOKS
gg: Re: NoGG: Bruuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuce
Re: gg: bawdy bawdy bawdy
Re: gg: nogg? GORGGeous T-shirts
Re: gg: Re: Bawdy album covers
gg: This is what 7:A is like for me...how about you?
gg: The Essential of Gentle Giant
Re: gg: Re: Bawdy album covers
Re: gg: PtF booklet
Re: gg: Re: Bawdy album covers
Re: gg: Albums Dad Had
Re: no gg: A&M
Re: gg: Re: Bawdy album covers
Re: gg: Re: Bawdy album covers
gg: Voyager and Flash!
gg: Horn; blinded; T-shirts!; Doldinger; Firesign; MTA; MIM; Madge; Napoleon; Humble Pie; KC in Mx; O-R
Re: gg: Bawdy album covers
gg: Steve 50; Hendrix as the other guitarist; KC Mx; later Passport; I Got Stripes
Re: gg: The Essential of Gentle Giant
gg: three?
Re: gg: Wurly

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Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 09:17:58 -0400
From: Richard Hilton 
Subject: gg: studio recordings vs. live performances

At 8:47 PM -0700 9/22/99, Jerry McCarthy wrote:
>As a non-musician, it strikes me as somewhat odd that a song which was
>to be a concert staple for the remainder of the band's career would be
>so dramatically rearranged right out of the shoot. If that was the case,
>why wouldn't tBitB simply have recorded the "live" arrangement in the
>first place?

Well, this is an interesting idea.  We're just going into the home 
stretch on an album we've been working on since May by the band 
Strangefolk.  They're a "jam band" in the Phish, Grateful Dead 
tradition.  They have great songs with fantastic lyrics.  Among the 
17 songs we started with (and 16 we're completing - totalling over 
100 minutes of music) are songs they've played on stage for their 
adoring public for some time now.  When we went in to record those, 
however, we were not swayed by the expectations of their live 
performances of those songs, we set out to make the best possible 
record of the songs.  If that should deviate in certain ways from the 
live versions, well, so be it.  For example, they have a song called 
"Walnut" that, when we recorded it, went on for nearly 12 minutes. 
We decided somewhere along the line that, due to the sheer number of 
songs we had to do and the available length of a CD, and the "nature 
of records nowadays", that we really didn't need a 5 minute jam in 
the middle of this one (the band agreed, BTW), and so it's been 
shortened (invisibly, I might add) to under 7 minutes.  Similarly, we 
took the song "Pawn" and added a whole horn arrangement that isn't 
present in their live shows, with their enthusiastic support.  We 
used a guy to put pedal steel, dobro, and banjo on some songs. 
Perhaps we sought to "set the bar" a little higher for them, maybe we 
just thought we had a better idea (or the band themselves did - they 
suggested the horns and the country guy......), but in any case, 
there are situations where the studio versions are not the same as 
the live ones.

Now, you might say, "that's all fine, RH, but in the case of GG, the 
record producer IS the artist", and therefore would possibly take a 
different view.  It's my thought that when they went to record On 
Reflection, they performed the arrangement they thought would make 
the best recording.  When they went out to play it live, I think they 
basically decided that they didn't want it to start out with the 
vocal counterpoint (as with Knots as well, BTW - one wonders what 
they would have done with "Words From the Wise" on stage....), and so 
had to re-arrange it to accommodate that idea, and what the heck, 
while they were at it, they decided to do a nice little trio 
arrangement at the beginning to allow the nice little 
violin/cello/recorder texture to shine through.

I think that, in general, what works best in a studio recording is 
not necessarily the best thing for a live show, and vice versa. 
Often they can be the same thing and work well in both areas, but 
sometimes the demands of each medium require that the versions be 
different.

As for why someone doesn't just record the live version and be done 
with it, the art (?) of recording has basically broken down into two 
distinct paradigms - the "photography" paradigm, wherein a recording 
is the capture of a live moment in real time, and the "painting or 
sculpture" paradigm, wherein a recording is a collection of 
non-real-time events which are meticulously assembled to make a whole 
piece (see late period "Beatles" for more details), almost like 
"montage" in film.  Most, practically all, of what I do is the 
second, "sculpture" method, and I think this is the way GG used to 
approach their studio recordings as well.

I suppose I've said about enough about this for now.....

Best,
Rich

"I've come undone.....I'm falling apart......." - Strangefolk, "Utterly Addled"


Richard Hilton/Boppybop Toons Inc.
http://members.aol.com/hiltonius/BTI_page.html

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Date: 23 Sep 1999 08:33:54 -0500
From: "Lindsey Spratt" 
Subject: Re: gg: no GG - BOOKS

On Wed, Sep 15, 1999 10:12 AM, David J. Loftus 
wrote:
> Avoid the Michael Glenny translation;  the Mirra Ginsburg is okay.  But 
> 

Wouldn't you know, I have the Glenny translation. Maybe that's why the book
didn't really grab me.

- -lindsey

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Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 06:56:17 -0700 (PDT)
From: JohnEric 
Subject: Re: gg: Re: Kottke

I was a Kottke fan up to "Chewing Pine", and then dropped away.  I don't
really understand what his direction is anymore.  Jazz or country? 
Perhaps he's come around again to doing what I liked best, but I wouldn't
know.  I appreciate the information on his carpal tunnel.  That explains a
lot.

JohnEric


> >>How come nobody here ever raves about Leo Kotke? Doesn't he rate as a
> >talented
> >>guitar player as much as a lot of folks that get raved about here? 
> 



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Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 08:41:19 -0500
From: DE Johnson 
Subject: gg: GG: FZ, MC, and RH (or Stew Dio v. Evil?)

Richard Hilton  wrote:
>...the "painting or sculpture" paradigm, wherein a recording is a 
>collection of non-real-time events which are meticulously assembled 
>to make a whole piece (see late period "Beatles" for more details), 
>almost like "montage" in film.  Most, practically all, of what I do 
>is the second, "sculpture" method, and I think this is the way GG 
>used to approach their studio recordings as well.

Mail to the Power and to Glory's Way! 

(D)Called 'music concrete' in the 'classical' music realm, this technique 
(O)has been around for a long time (about 30 years or so). But I'm sure 
(U)you knew that, Rich. This reminds me of the way FZ used to do his thing. 
(G)He would tour with new tunes and 'work the bugs out of them'...then he'd 
(D)go into the studio and record the album. At least that's what I've heard. 
(J)Please correct me if I'm wrong.

DE Johnson, Composer and Interdisciplinary Artist 
President and CEO, Raconteur Productions 
	Email: civilian@ice.net 
	Phone: 1(309)829-9294 

Please visit my website at: http://www.raconteurprod.com/ 

Raconteur Productions is pleased to offer quality music composition,
arrangements, and engraving to meet your needs. 
We carry a fine selection of classical and modern music as 
well as avant garde, experimental, and music from "Below 
the Underground" for your listening pleasure.

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Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 06:54:28 -0700
From: Aldo Ballestrasse 
Subject: RE: nongg: Passport

Dan,
Saw the other live cd at: http://www.cdeurope.com/
Aldo

- -----Original Message-----
From: Claudio666@aol.com [mailto:Claudio666@aol.com]
Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 1999 6:34 PM
To: peter.gelhaus@debitel.net; on-reflection@darkwing.uoregon.edu;
aldob@sisa.samsung.com
Subject: Re: nongg: Passport


In a message dated 9/22/99 10:03:43 AM Mountain Daylight Time, 
peter.gelhaus@debitel.net writes:

<< Sorry Dan, you're not right.  The album you mentioned is called
"Doldinger
 Jubilee '75".
 Anything else is correct, but my LP is Atlantic ATL 50 186.
 I think Fred had the "Doldinger Jubilee Concert" from 1974 (ATL 50 070).
 This was recorded live1973 in Duesseldorf/Germany with guest stars:
 Brian Auger, Johnny Griffin, Alexis Korner, Volker Kriegel and also Pete
 York. >>

Damn! That's TWICE this year I've been wrong!  This one I've never seen.
LOVE 
Auger on the Hammond & Rhodes.  I'm gonna have to go find this one! Thanks 
for the info Peter!

Dan 66

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Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 15:54:51 +0100
From: "Fred Rosenkamp" 
Subject: Re: gg: bawdy bawdy bawdy

>
>If you show up with this at GORGG, I'm buying your first drink.
>
>Best,
>Rich


I have a 1970 CBS promotion 2LP, showcasing their 'sound of the seventies'
catalogue.
It's called 'Fill Your Head With Rock'. On the front cover is a concert pic
of Jerry Goodman.
On the back cover we see a pic of a approx. 8 year old girl sucking on a
candy stick.
People responsible for thís kind of bawdy 'jokes' suck and should be drowned
in free drinks IMO.

Cheers,
Fred

np Beach Boys - The Pet Sounds Sessions

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Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 10:12:55 -0400
From: Daniel G 
Subject: Re: gg: Re: Bawdy album covers

>> > I also got a lot of visual mileage
>> > out of an album of medieval ballads that had a cover photo of several
>> > peasant wenches with generous expanses of cleavage....
>> > David Loftus
>>
>> So, are we going to do a thread on "wicked covers?"  I've got a
>> picture disc single from 1979 by 2 English girls called Blonde on
>> Blonde, who posed topless.  Who's next????    -David Eric
>
>
>Well, now that you mention it, I recall picking up a copy of Humble Pie's
>_Thunderbox_ that had a (if you'll pardon the expression) stiff inner
>sleeve with warm color photos of young nudes in Penthouse- or David
>Hamilton-style soft focus.  The cover itself looked like a wooden door
>with a huge keyhole cut in the middle of it to reveal the soft
>folds of the lap of one of the sweet young thangs.
>
>I listened to the album once.  Maybe parts of it twice.  The cover was by
>far the best part of the album, and it wasn't that good.
>
>
>David Loftus
_______________________
Hi all;

The grossest(!!!) album cover I've ever seen (and other O-R from Quebec
will certainly remember that one) was by a quebecois singer Plume. The
album title was 'Les vieux show son sale' (I'll let you figure out the
translation). When you bought the album, the cover was a phot of a bunch of
guys drinking in a tavern. Right in the middle you had this big roundblack
sticker. Once unwrapped, the portion covered with the sticker was hiding
the face of a woman covered with sp#rm! Now that was a mean cover.  The
music? It was not as pornographic as the cover, and it wasn't prog but it
wasn't so bad either. But I never bought it myself! Go figure why!

Daniel G

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Date: 23 Sep 1999 09:36:58 -0500
From: "Lindsey Spratt" 
Subject: Re: no gg: A&M

On Wed, Sep 22, 1999 4:42 PM, Jan Dubbe  wrote:
> Anyone know Bill Evans...?

Not personally, but my band plays one of his charts (Waltz for Debby).
- -lindsey

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Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 10:47:23 EDT
From: WhytePunk@aol.com
Subject: Re: gg: Re: Bawdy album covers

Well, just what is that tongue licking on GG's "Acquiring the Taste"?

It seems like that knife is cutting into a kidney though, I don't understand 
that part...maybe it's just my imagination!

  ; )         Neil

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Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 09:58:55 +0000
From: Diana Green 
Subject: Re: nogg: Bankok, healthy debates, violence, firsts, Leo Kotke, and MIM

hail!
re:


Toby Trott wrote:

> Wacky Racontuers,
>
> ---
> Not that my opinion matters, but re: Boxing, Hockey, and most other sports that
> involve bleeding, they just never appealed to me for entertainment.

Perspective, my dear. I hate boxing but I love boxing MOVIES. Been working the VCR
overtime this month with the TCM Boxing Marathon on tuesdays and thursdays.

> How come nobody here ever raves about Leo Kotke? Doesn't he rate as a talented
> guitar player as much as a lot of folks that get raved about here? Not that I'm a
> really big Kotke fan, but I have enjoyed his music, and he seems to have the chops.

Nobody ever really reads my posts, do they?  :-) I'm a Kottke fan from way back in '72.
Only saw him once but also had the privilege of seeing John Fahey Himself a few years
earlier! Gotta love the armadillo album- also one of the most effective uses of
scratchboard on an album cover ever!

>
> ---
> And how come the year 1999 is MCMXCIX instead of MIM? Eh? Mammienun...you should
> know what with the nuns knowlege of Latin and such.

Guess that makes Mammie the Mea Culprit.
still,
dg
np: The Essential of Gentle Giant: very strange (but good!) compilation from Brazil!
Thanks, Helton! Record show is next weekend- write to me privately (or to list, I don't
care) and let me know what to look for for your trade!

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Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 08:02:02 -0700 (PDT)
From: "David J. Loftus" 
Subject: gg: Re: Suddenly it all becomes clear [was: Herb Alpert and a bunch of re:'s] Omigod GG content!

On Wed, 22 Sep 1999, Nick wrote:

> David J. Loftus explains the secret of life:
> 
> >. . . .my Dad didn't have it.  I had to listen to his Vanilla Fudge 
> >albums instead.
> 
> And much is explained!
> 
> But seriously a small part of me is certain that hearing "You keep me
> hanging on" was a small, but significant life-changing experience, at least
> in regards to music -- Wow -- dig that Hammond!


Actually, I don't remember hearing "You Keep Me Hanging On" until college 
or later.

My Dad heard Vanilla Fudge's cover of Donovan's "Season of the Witch" and 
flipped over it -- quite a surprise in retrospect, since he listened to 
very little rock, had an extensive classical and jazz record collection, 
and mostly played Chopin, Debussy and Scott Joplin himself.

Anyway, he bought the album, _Renaissance_, and it turned out to be -- as 
I repeatedly tell people -- a highly underrated exemplar of American 
psychedelic rock.  Unlike many of VF's other albums, with their turgid 
covers of Beatles tunes and even movie themes ("Windmills of Your Mind"), 
this album is almost entirely original material, save for the memorably 
dramatic Donovan cover, and quite good.  It certainly rocked me at age 9.


David Loftus

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Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 10:06:53 +0000
From: Diana Green 
Subject: Re: gg: Bawdy album covers

hail again;
re:


David and Stacey Shur wrote:

> > I also got a lot of visual mileage
> > out of an album of medieval ballads that had a cover photo of several
> > peasant wenches with generous expanses of cleavage....
> > David Loftus
>
> So, are we going to do a thread on "wicked covers?"  I've got a picture disc
> single from 1979 by 2 English girls called Blonde on Blonde, who posed
> topless.  Who's next????    -David Eric

Classic lines from WKRP:
Fever: "Wanna go look at Carly Simon album covers?"
Venus (eagerly): "Sure!"
    Well, there's all that Roxy Music stuff, the classic Blind Faith cover, the
wide-eyed innocence of the Parrish pastiche on the first It's A Beautiful Day
cover, Godley & Creme's great Birds of Prey cover, which is sensuous in its
absence of a body  in the lingerie (you have to see it to understand), and the
cover of the s/t album by Jobraith was sexy in a jarring androgynous way.  And
let's not forget Dana Gillespie's "Weren't Born a Man" if we're doing Sexy Nice
Girls in Their Summer Underthings covers.
still,
dg
np: the essential of Gentle Giant: cut 4: Aspirations

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Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 08:11:01 -0700 (PDT)
From: "David J. Loftus" 
Subject: Re: gg: Re: Kottke

On Thu, 23 Sep 1999, Drew W. Eaton wrote:


> >I don't have enough of his music. Love it though. The original "where is
> >the other guitarist?" guitarist.
> 
> Fingerstylists will elicit that response from you.  It's  because they're
> playing an independent alternating bass line with their thumb 
> anchoring what can be rather dense chords (they do have four 
> fingers-usually-although typically only three are used).  When the 
> tempo starts kicking in there's a lot going on.   Then we can get into 
> the "tappers" like Tuck Andress, Michael Hedges, and others and that's 
> another thing...."that's ONE guitarist???"

Heh heh.  When I went to see Tuck and Patti (the same month I had tickets 
to the Butthole Surfers -- now THERE's a contrast!), Tuck played one of 
his signature arrangements of some piece of another, and in that instant 
of silence between the dying of the final notes and the roar of 
applause, a youthful male voice could be heard from the rear of the 
auditorium barking "GOD!!!"

Evidently a guitar player, I thought.


> >Jimi Hendrix is hardly mentioned here either apart from recent arguments
> >about Fat Mattress.
> 
> A shame too.  I just saw the video of him at Woodstock.  Fabulous
> performance.  His performance there of Isabella is one of my faves by him.

Is that one in the movie, or just the Woodstock II album?


David Loftus

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Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 08:18:29 -0700 (PDT)
From: "David J. Loftus" 
Subject: Re: gg: no GG - BOOKS

On 23 Sep 1999, Lindsey Spratt wrote:

> On Wed, Sep 15, 1999 10:12 AM, David J. Loftus 
> wrote:
> > Avoid the Michael Glenny translation;  the Mirra Ginsburg is okay.  But 
> > 
> 
> Wouldn't you know, I have the Glenny translation. Maybe that's why the 
> book didn't really grab me.


I can't confirm this, but a grad student friend of mine asserted that 
Glenny did not recognize the Russian word for "refrigerator," so an 
unexplained minor character turns up for several pages in his 
translation.  Anyway, as I said, there are several new translations out 
or pending.


David Loftus

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Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 11:19:23 -0700
From: "Frank Lauria" 
Subject: gg: Re: NoGG: Bruuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuce

From: Jim Klocek 


<>

"Was it a pilgrimmage to the sacred Neptune NJ, birthplace of the Boss, or
in Philly?"

It was in Philly at the First Union Center, or as we like to call it, the
F-U center (if you've had any dealings with First Union Bank, you'll
understand).  Acoustics sucked, but the show kicked major ass.

P-Frank

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Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 08:29:10 -0700 (PDT)
From: "David J. Loftus" 
Subject: Re: gg: bawdy bawdy bawdy

On Thu, 23 Sep 1999, Fred Rosenkamp wrote:

> >If you show up with this at GORGG, I'm buying your first drink.
> 
> I have a 1970 CBS promotion 2LP, showcasing their 'sound of the seventies'
> catalogue.  It's called 'Fill Your Head With Rock'. On the front cover 
> is a concert pic of Jerry Goodman.  On the back cover we see a pic of a 
> approx. 8 year old girl sucking on a candy stick.  People responsible 
> for thís kind of bawdy 'jokes' suck and should be drowned in free 
> drinks IMO.


Well now, let's be clear about the distinction between "bawdy" and "in 
highly questionable taste."  The picture disk of the two topless women 
Rich was wanting to see was of the performing artists themselves, as I 
understand it, and that seems entirely fit if they wish to do it.

The CBS promo, as Fred describes it, does not sound bawdy to me, as in 
"appreciating and enjoying the pleasures of the body among consenting 
adults," but rather makes a snide possible reference to pedophilia.

I was a little put off by the cover to Foreigner's _Head Games_, too, with 
its rather poor and obvious pun and a photo of a young woman who clearly 
looks trapped and none too happy to be there, which to me suggested 
rape.  


David Loftus

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Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 10:31:01 +0000
From: Diana Green 
Subject: Re: gg: nogg? GORGGeous T-shirts

hail;
re:


Toby Trott wrote:

> Wacky Racontuers,
>
>    np: Star Trek Voyager...hey, I can't help myself...it's the season
>    premier and the conclusion to last years cliff hanger.

Wasn't that KILLER? Best they've done in years IMO.
still,
dg
np: The Essential of Gentle Giant: Track 9: Mobile (follows Pantagruel's
Nativity)

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Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 08:35:31 -0700 (PDT)
From: "David J. Loftus" 
Subject: Re: gg: Re: Bawdy album covers

On Thu, 23 Sep 1999 WhytePunk@aol.com wrote:

> Well, just what is that tongue licking on GG's "Acquiring the Taste"?
> 
> It seems like that knife is cutting into a kidney though, I don't understand 
> that part...maybe it's just my imagination!


I always took it to be a peach, once you fold out the cover (although 
admittedly it looks like something else before you do).

This is one record cover that I always felt did not BEGIN to capture or 
allude to the treasures on the record within.  It just seemed a little 
tacky.  


David Loftus

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Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 10:35:40 -0500
From: DE Johnson 
Subject: gg: This is what 7:A is like for me...how about you?

For a glimpse of what morning is like for some of us, go to: 

	http://cyberslag.bossina.nl/eddie.html 

I enjoyed it in its brevity. 

DJ/CiViLiAN/le Uncroyable M. Personne	

Please visit my website and check out some of the 
soundfiles, etc. at: http://www.raconteurprod.com/ 

"Everything is dangerous if you look at it with enough 
	paranoia." Jack Frost (aka Dr. Tamaran) 

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Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 10:53:03 +0000
From: Diana Green 
Subject: gg: The Essential of Gentle Giant

Hail;
    I just experienced the most jarring transition I've ever heard on a
Gentle Giant album:
Track 12: Rock Climber
Track 13: So Sincere
    Wakes you right up, it does. This one is going to be getting some
SPIN, folks!
    Reminds me of the triple bill we did in my old film society: Dali &
Bunuel's Andalusian Dog, followed by the Ozzie and Harriet in the
Adventure of The Missing Sandwich, followed by the Schizoid Man episode
of The Prisoner. A marvelous little combination of "Great", "Cool", and
"Huh?" in one sitting!
still,
dg
np: last track: Excepts From Octopus (well, that's what the liner notes
call it!)

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Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 11:52:27 EDT
From: WhytePunk@aol.com
Subject: Re: gg: Re: Bawdy album covers

In a message dated 09/23/1999 10:35:37 AM Eastern Standard Time, 
dloft@netcom.com writes:

<< I always took it to be a peach, once you fold out the cover (although 
 admittedly it looks like something else before you do).
 
 This is one record cover that I always felt did not BEGIN to capture or 
 allude to the treasures on the record within.  It just seemed a little 
 tacky.   >>

I think I took it to be a peach also....and then I looked again some more 
years later and it seemed even more like a woman with the cover unfolded 
(excuse me here ladies!  I'm trying to be discreet here!). It looked like a 
back view ...ummmmm, David, did you see that one movie where that woman was 
able to put her ankles up next to her ears?...Amazing! Hahaha!
Ok, anyway it made more sense to me that way with the title of "Acquiring the 
Taste"...

The butcher knife doesn't make sense if it'a a peach or otherwise, does it? 
Who's the artist, any idea? 

Yes waiter, there seems to be a hair in my soup!!!  And yes, I had the clam 
chowder, thank you!
 ; )      Neil

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Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 10:54:49 +0000
From: Diana Green 
Subject: Re: gg: PtF booklet

hail;
re:


Claudio666@aol.com wrote:

> In a message dated 9/22/99 11:17:02 AM Mountain Daylight Time,
> dgreen2@earthlink.net writes:
>
> << You lucky stiff! This is the first British pressing of PtF and that booklet
>  was only in something like 1500 copies, or so I'm told by hawkers in the
>  dealers' rooms!
>      Of course, the content has been reproduced in the BGO twofer booklet,
>  but, oh, to have the original... >>
>
> That number sounds low, as I got one as an import upon release in Colorado
> when I was working in retail vinyl.  I ordered 5, and all of em had one...but
> maybe I was just another lucky stiff!

Got any extras left?
eagerly still,
dg
np: BitB

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Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 10:57:39 +0000
From: Diana Green 
Subject: Re: gg: Re: Bawdy album covers

hail;
re:


"David J. Loftus" wrote:

> On Thu, 23 Sep 1999 WhytePunk@aol.com wrote:
>
> > Well, just what is that tongue licking on GG's "Acquiring the Taste"?
> >
> > It seems like that knife is cutting into a kidney though, I don't understand
> > that part...maybe it's just my imagination!
>
> I always took it to be a peach, once you fold out the cover (although
> admittedly it looks like something else before you do).
>
> This is one record cover that I always felt did not BEGIN to capture or
> allude to the treasures on the record within.  It just seemed a little
> tacky.

that was sort of the point. According to an interview reprinted in Proclamation,
they were making a statement with the cover concerning the necessity of kissing
the arses of record company execs: you "acquire a taste" for it, supposedly. They
were just thumbing their noses at the executroids, as it were.
still,
dg
np: Knots

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Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 16:10:55 +0200
From: casglatze@t-online.de (casglatze)
Subject: Re: gg: Albums Dad Had

dashthecat@webtv.net schrieb:
> David Loftus wrote that he listened to Blinded by Turds... I just HAD to
> wonder about the artwork on that one!
>
> My dad listened to Jo Stafford, Hank Williams, Lefty Frizzell, the
> Ventures and Bobby Vinton and the Coasters..  But he also brought home
> Rogers and Hammerstein musicals, stories narrated by Basil Rathbone
> (what a voice!) and my personal favorite, "21 Years in a Tennessee
> Jailhouse"  I think by Paul Evans.  It was a complilation of prison and
> jail folk tunes, some of which were on the gory side.  Of course, all 6
> of us children had to learn every word to every song and to our mothers
> mortification, when we sang, instead a Disney tune we would break into
> "I Got Stripes".  This could possibly explain why none of us took up a
> life of crime!
>
> ~Kathy~
>
On the question of dads: mine was born in 1928, so he was really into Dixieland 
(Chris Barber) and all that. Actually, he was a part-time drummer in a 
Dixieland and skiffle band - whenever time allowed. But I remember some "Top 
Hits" (or whatever they were called) LPs - you know, big band versions 
of the hits of the day - featuring girls rather skimpily dressed. Usually, they 
were UK orchestras, and the girls wore hot pants and tight T-Shirts - kinda 
the Carnaby Street look. It was just the way it was then.
However, he was totally after one particular single: Ray Stevens' "Bridget the 
Midget"...it was nowhere to be found in Germany in - what was it - 1969? That 
kinda exposed me to rock music. His enthusiasm had a lasting effect on me - till 
this very day.
the Krautmeister

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Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 09:24:22 PDT
From: "Dan Weese" 
Subject: Re: no gg: A&M

>Anyone know Bill Evans (I mean the pianist, famous for introducing the 
>Fender-Rhodes with his truly great, but totally unnoticed album "From Left 
>to Right" - 1970)?

Bill Evans played on my favourite Miles Davis album: Kind of Blue.  John 
McLaughlin did a CD called Time Remembered, covering Bill Evans tunes, Turn 
Out the Stars never fails to reduce me to tears.

His story is a great tragedy in which heroin played the villain.  He now 
writes charts for the angels, his chords and voicings influence everyone who 
hears him, still.

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Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 09:27:28 PDT
From: "Dan Weese" 
Subject: Re: gg: Re: Bawdy album covers

> > So, are we going to do a thread on "wicked covers?"

Everything by the Ohio Players.  Roxy Music promised on their Champagne and 
Novocaine album they would feature cheezecake on subsequent releases, and 
they kept their word..

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Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 12:19:17 -0700
From: Bob Angilly 
Subject: Re: gg: Re: Bawdy album covers

Most albums by Fausto Pepitti (Italian Kenny G) featured a semi-nude bather from
the Riviera.  The Sanremo Festival albums (one every year have the same motif).

The promotional poster for the first Blondie album (on Private Music) featured a
photo of the band with Deborah Harry in a see through blouse.

The first Coven album (Destroy Minds and Reap Soals) featured an inside picture
of a black mass (side b of the album) with the lead singer stretched out on the
altar, nude except for a human scull.

Isis put out an album with the entire band nude and covered in silver paint.

The Slits first album had the three band members nude and covered in mud.



Dan Weese wrote:

> > > So, are we going to do a thread on "wicked covers?"
>
> Everything by the Ohio Players.  Roxy Music promised on their Champagne and
> Novocaine album they would feature cheezecake on subsequent releases, and
> they kept their word..
>
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Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 10:29:49 -0700
From: "Skip Rizzo, Ph.D." 
Subject: gg: Voyager and Flash!

>np: Star Trek Voyager...hey, I can't help myself...it's the season 
>   premier and the conclusion to last years cliff hanger.
>
>Toby

Hail all,

Hey Toby, you weren't alone...brotha! I was gettin my SciFi fix last night
along with ya, watchin the ST voyager rerun of the the cliffhanger and the
premier...I'd been jonesin' since the final B5 Crusade episode!

Also, two obvious "bawdy" covers that came to mind this morning as I
reached for my "Flash" CD...the first Flash and of course Flash "In the Can"! 

Best Regards,

Dr. Skull



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Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 10:59:00 -0700
From: "Scott Steele" 
Subject: gg: Horn; blinded; T-shirts!; Doldinger; Firesign; MTA; MIM; Madge; Napoleon; Humble Pie; KC in Mx; O-R

>Tijuana Taxi had a mellotron on it at 2:43.

That would be the horn-honking sound.

>and a delightful Western ditty called "Blinded By Turds," which I enjoyed.

Don't knock it until you've tried it.

>My GORGG T-shirts arrived in the mail today!

Mine too!  This is a serious work of art.  Way to go Nick!

>Thanx for the laffs, mamms! I'm guessing you don't intend on sending this tape to 300+ people though, right?

Where's my copy??

>I think Fred had the "Doldinger Jubilee Concert" from 1974 (ATL 50 070).  This was recorded live1973 in Duesseldorf/Germany with guest stars:  Brian Auger, Johnny Griffin, Alexis Korner, Volker Kriegel and also Pete York.

I was dimly aware of this one but have never heard it - is it great?  I love Freedom Jazz Dance so much I will probably snag it.

>Both vinyls are avaiable on CD published by WEA in 1990.

Can you recommend a vendor for these?

>BTW: Passport was one of the best live bands I have ever seen!

I can testify to this.  I saw them dust off the Herbie Hancock Thrust band in Los Angeles many years ago - and I love that Thrust band.  Both bands were incredible.

>What a special comedy group the Firesign Theatre are.

www.firesigntheatre.com

>The first single I played a lot was some folk group doing "The Man on the MTA" about some guy stuck on the Boston Subway
because he lost his ticket...

The Kingston Trio.

>And how come the year 1999 is MCMXCIX instead of MIM?

good question.

>...world's a stage...play their parts...I have chosen "Badge Madge" apparently.  So, what the heck is a "Madge"? eh?

A manicurist who recommends Palmolive dishwashing liquid as a hand cream.

>By Napoleon the ... 24th?  Damn, I can't remember his number.

XIV.

>I recall picking up a copy of Humble Pie's _Thunderbox_

Title song was good.  Can't recommend it though - they were on the down-slide by that time.  Get Rockin' the Fillmore.

>So, I finally managed to download the King Crimson Mexico file 
to my PC here at work, and I somehow figured it was MP3, but it 
says it is a special format that can only be played with that 
Windows Media Player which is NOT available for Macs.

You need to do a lot of magic to transform it into a listenable format if you can't listen to .wma files.  Do you have one of those massive Macinti with Virtual PC on it?

>...world's a stage...play their part...I have chosen Microsoft disparager or File Format Convert-ador

There are a lot of Mac users who are also assuming that role, I am sure.

Jerry muses about the rearrangement of the song our list is named after.

>As a non-musician, it strikes me as somewhat odd that a song which was to be a concert staple for the remainder of the band's career would be so dramatically rearranged right out of the shoot.

They probably rearranged it right out of the chute to make it more singable for live performance.  That was a major consideration for them.

>If that was the case, why wouldn't tBitB simply have recorded the "live" arrangement in the first place?

I don't know, but if they had, we wouldn't have gotten Kerry's lead vocal on the middle part, which Yehuda pointed out graciously.

>I've heard of instances of bands playing studio arrangements live and, finding over time that they just weren't working, eventually changing the arrangement for concerts.

Yes but at the risk of stating the obvious, it's better to find these kinds of things out in rehearsals rather than after you've clammed the hell out of them on stage.

>> Hoo-boy...parallel adolescence!  Gimme a spoon and I'll bring the pudding!

>"How can you have any pudding if you don't eat your meat?" 

ROFL!  I'm no vegetarian, that's for sure.

>I now return you to today's episode of "Find the Mellotron"...

let me check my pockets . . . 

>For all you Roman Numeral fans, it's my understanding that you can use the "I" in front of the X, V, L or C but not the D or the M.

Well that's just IC-y.  - S.

np:  My ears are still ringing a bit from Jeff Beck, who I saw last night.  Review to follow

scottst@ohsu.edu

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Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 14:36:18 EDT
From: SPBrader@aol.com
Subject: Re: gg: Bawdy album covers

David Eric leers:

<< So, are we going to do a thread on "wicked covers?" >>

Flash : 'Flash'
Jackson Heights : 'Bump 'n' Grind'
Gentle Giant : 'Giant for a Day'      PHWOARRRR!!

Simon
n.p. in my head (thanks to Toby!!!!) : Slapp Happy-Desperate Straits

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Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 11:40:59 -0700
From: "Scott Steele" 
Subject: gg: Steve 50; Hendrix as the other guitarist; KC Mx; later Passport; I Got Stripes

>Steve 50

I get it (took about L seconds)

>Jimi Hendrix is hardly mentioned here either apart from recent arguments about Fat Mattress.

The other guitarist:  On the live versions of Stone Free from 1970 he sounds like *three* guitarists.

KC Mx:

>I have listened to this a few times and it is the best giveaway I've ever had. I would have bought it at full price I reckon, if I'd heard it a few times before.

It's awesome.  The combination of this and the KCCC release of On Broadway are a dynamic duo to be sure.

>Passport: Iquaçu (1977),

good but they were on the way down

>Ataraxia (1978, released in the US as 'Sky Blue'), Oceanliner (1980), Blue Tattoo (1981).  Klaus Doldinger + Passport: Lifelike (1980, contains live material from '77 and '80).

Are any of these worth getting at all?  I was distressed when I heard a post-Iguacu release - it sounded like Fusak.  Some of the Iguacu cuts sound like that too

>Of course, all 6 of us children had to learn every word to every song and to our mothers mortification, when we sang, instead a Disney tune we would break into "I Got Stripes".  This could possibly explain why none of us took up a life of crime!

what a great story!  Thanks for sharing.  Wish I had gotten this album for my kids when they were younger!  - S.

np:  ear ringing

scottst@ohsu.edu

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Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 20:22:26 +0100
From: Bob Taylor 
Subject: Re: gg: The Essential of Gentle Giant

In message <37EA068F.F34F821D@earthlink.net>, Diana Green
 writes
>Hail;
>    I just experienced the most jarring transition I've ever heard on a
>Gentle Giant album:
>Track 12: Rock Climber
>Track 13: So Sincere
>    Wakes you right up, it does. 

My current GG compilation cassette runs liket this:

Memories o O D
Pantagruel's N
Just The Same
O-R
Underground
Aspirations
The A of P
Who Do You T Y A
TBITB


Live O-R
Words F T W
Give It Back
Acq The Taste
In a Glass H
Nothing At All
As Old As.
Interview
Spookie B
Inside Out


Tape is a total joy of course, and there are some
superb transitions. I enjoy going from As Old As.
on to Interview, hearing the quiet section in the latter
coming out as an apt echo. 
Yes this _is_ illogical, captain. Sounds wonderful though.

Try O-R followed by Words, too; and the last two tracks on
my side 1.

Bob

- -- 
Robert Taylor

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Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 20:28:35 +0100
From: Bob Taylor 
Subject: gg: three?

In message , Scott Steele
 writes

>>Jimi Hendrix is hardly mentioned here either apart from recent arguments about 
>Fat Mattress.
>
>The other guitarist:  On the live versions of Stone Free from 1970 he sounds 
>like *three* guitarists.
>


My dad gets paid for his piano/keyboard playing in a pub at the
weekends.
After several pints, he can sound like _at least_ three pianists
but by then everyones past caring.

Bob
Robert Taylor

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Date: Thu, 23 Sep 1999 12:35:33 -0700 (PDT)
From: Don Tillman 
Subject: Re: gg: Wurly

   From: "Frank B. Carvalho" 
   Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 10:38:04 +0200

   Don!

   The clav site was Kool! Looking forward to check out the others.
   Do you know of any good Hammond site that cover the L100 a bit 
   more?

What do you need?  There's a wealth of Hammond stuff available at: 
  http://www.theatreorgans.com/hammond/

and...
  http://www.theatreorgans.com/hammond/faq/

Note that all tonewheel Hammonds share most circuitry and parts, so
the A-100 service manual included above should do you pretty well.

  -- Don

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