on-reflection-digest    Friday, September 24 1999    Volume 01 : Number 1880



gg: Re: "The Fragile"
Re: gg: NoGG: Is that a Sears poncho?
gg: re:  NoGG: Is that a Sears poncho?
Re: gg: bawdy bawdy bawdy
gg: Oldest Instrument Found in China
gg: art@radio 9.22.99: 1800 - 1900 (GMT-5) NYC time (archived)
gg: Mom and Dad and the Music They Liked; plus Inspired Kids
gg: System Of A Down?
Re: gg: bawdy bawdy bawdy
Re: gg: Oldest Instrument Found in China
gg: GG: Hail Nick 'T' Indie Haus!
Re: gg: GG: Hail Nick 'T' Indie Haus!
gg: Phaedra; Passport; bongo jazz; new NIN; Action; floss; Frank Marino; GAP ad; vaselusion
gg: GORGG TShirt
gg: King Crimson: Live in Mexico City
gg: keyboards
gg: John Goodsall posts to the DGM Guestbook
nogg: Chock full o' nits and other stuff
gg: Re: keyboards
gg: PRISM once again
no gg: Passport
gg: albums Dad had
gg: Re: Hendrix at Woodstock
gg: Re: Re: keyboards
Re: gg: Re: "The Fragile"
gg: Altered State
Re: nogg: Chock full o' nits and other stuff
gg: gg
gg: RE: Re: Re: keyboards
gg: tron
gg: Essentially a GorGGmail, but...
gg: Splashing...
Re: gg: gg
Re: gg: System Of A Down?
gg: Parental Music
Re: gg: Re: "The Fragile"
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gg: RE: "The Fragile"

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Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1999 08:57:51 -0500
From: "Phil Bradley" 
Subject: gg: Re: "The Fragile"

> I don't know if any of you enjoy Nine Inch Nails or not, but, if so I
> noticed that Rezner has a new double CD release out entitled "The
> Fragile".  I don't have it as yet, and frankly I think I'll gather a few
> reviews and try to listen to some of it before buying.  I feel as though
> he's lost something since "Broken" and "Fixed".  If anyone has heard the
> new one I'd appreciate a review.

I'm anxious to hear it, also. The following is from Adrian Belew's website
about his involvement with this recording:

The next project was a bit more well known.  February 8 through 12 I worked
with Trent Reznor on the next NINE INCH NAILS record .  It was fascinating
to see how he makes records; a totally different approach than mine.  I love
the sounds he gets.  He had 40 tracks for me to attack, none of which had
vocals.  For three days we worked long hours and I played some of the most
aggressive guitar playing I've done in a while.  There were several tracks
which required Trent to manipulate the pedals on the floor while I played
endless solos. We joked that the two of us made a pretty good guitarist. I
also played cello, mandolin, lap steel, and string bass. Trent has a devoted
crew of engineers and computer experts and a first class studio.  He was
kind enough to show me through his renovated historic New Orleans home as
well. I have no idea what the record will ultimately sound like but I can't
wait to hear it.

Phil

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Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1999 10:19:48 EDT
From: WhytePunk@aol.com
Subject: Re: gg: NoGG: Is that a Sears poncho?

Grrrrrrrrrrrr&%#@!!!!!!!!!......I hate Sears....Let me take that poncho back 
for you, I'll drive up to their credit desk via their store window. Ok, sorry 
for the interruption, proceed.

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Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1999 10:25:11 EDT
From: Biffyshrew@aol.com
Subject: gg: re:  NoGG: Is that a Sears poncho?

P-Frank wrote:

>If the GAP used Zappa's music for their ad beds I might start shopping
>there.

If the Gap used Zappa's music, they'd have to change their name to the 
Steaming Succulent Ever-Widening Gooey Drippy Runny Kind Of A Hole.  Which 
would sound really good with their old '70s jingle--you know, that 
basso-buffo voice demanding "Fall into the Steaming Succulent Ever-Widening 
Gooey Drippy Runny Kind Of A Hole!"

***

Dan Weese wrote:

>Edgar 
>Froese has put his son, and some fuzz guitar into the mix, which I don't 
>like, weak chord progressions, he never was much of a composer, the 
>atmospherics were what I loved.

The last I heard from Tangerine Dream, some years back, they were using this 
real stiff of a sax player who, as I said at the time, made Kenny G. sound 
like King Curtis.

***

Rich Hilton wrote:

>Well, I think [Zappa] did that, yes.  But mostly, since the late 70s at 
>least, what he'd do was record every concert (not all of 'em at the 
>beginning, all of 'em by the early 80s) and use the live performed 
>basic tracks as the cake upon which he'd heap his overdub frosting. 
>I think Roxy and Elsewhere may have been the first one he did like 
>this, certainly Sheik Yerbouti was done almost entirely this way, but 
>most of 'em after that we done that way.

_Roxy_ was actually a fairly straight live album, with only one song 
("Cheepnis") really heavily reworked in the studio.  In his later years, FZ 
returned to straight, overdub-free live albums, like _Broadway The Hard Way_, 
_The Best Band You Never Heard In Your Life_ and _Make A Jazz Noise Here_, 
plus archival releases like the YCDTOSA series.  You're lucky I have to go to 
work in a few minutes or I'd go on for a half hour about this.

***

Doctor Julius wrote:

>what Roxy Music album are you calling  "champagne & novocaine"?
>(which is actually the title of a Kevin Ayers song!)

Aren't you thinking of "Champagne And Valium"?

Your pal,
Biffy the Elephant Shrew
(bongo jazz a speciality)

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Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1999 08:23:34 -0700 (PDT)
From: "David J. Loftus" 
Subject: Re: gg: bawdy bawdy bawdy

On Fri, 24 Sep 1999, Fred Rosenkamp wrote, in response to my:

> >The CBS promo, as Fred describes it, does not sound bawdy to me, as in 
> >"appreciating and enjoying the pleasures of the body among consenting 
> >adults," but rather makes a snide possible reference to pedophilia.
> 
> I thought 'bawdy' had a more negative meaning. More in the sense of
> 'disgusting'. My dictionary says "Bawdy: obscene; unchaste".


That's what the puritans want you to think.  (Mencken:  A puritan is 
someone who has the sneaking suspicion that somebody, somewhere, is having 
a good time.)

I don't think of obscene and unchaste as being disgusting, personally, 
and since Oscar Brand titled a whole series of his albums "Bawdy Songs 
and Backroom Ballads," I have to suspect he doesn't either.  (Just heard 
him on NPR earlier this year, after hearing nothing of him in decades;  
he has a new CD out with historic songs about presidential campaigns.)

Anyway, MY desk dictionary gives a second definition as ""boisterously or 
humorously indecent."


David Loftus

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Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1999 10:36:57 -0500
From: DE Johnson 
Subject: gg: Oldest Instrument Found in China

http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/ap/19990922/sc/oldest_instrument_1.html


DJ/CiViLiAN/le Uncroyable M. Personne	

Please visit my website and check out some of the 
soundfiles, etc. at: http://www.raconteurprod.com/ 

"Everything is dangerous if you look at it with enough 
	paranoia." Jack Frost (aka Dr. Tamaran) 

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Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1999 10:43:24 -0500
From: DE Johnson 
Subject: gg: art@radio 9.22.99: 1800 - 1900 (GMT-5) NYC time (archived)

>WMBC: art@radio Baltimore, Maryland. USA
>Wednesday September 22, 1999
>http:wmbc.umbc.edu/~artradio
>
>1800 - 1900 (GMT-5) NYC time
>2300 - 2400 (GMT) London
>100 - 0200 (GMT+2) Helsinki
>
>
>
>1 	Canned Goods: A Typical afternoon in the backyard in Phoenix,
>Arizona, Jocelyn Robert.  Ohm/avtr editions, 541 Saint-Vallier Est #4,
>Quebec, Qc Canada G1K 3P9
>	1.	street (2:14)
>	2	war #1 (7:39)
>
>2 	The Resounding Book and the Animal Machines, Le Livre Sonore et Les
>Machines Animales, Pierre-Andre Arcand. Ohm/avtr editions, 541
>Saint-Vallier Est #4, Quebec, Qc Canada G1K 3P9  (http://meduse.org/avatar)
>Distribution Ambiances Magnetiques Etc (DAME) (http://www.cam.org/-dame_cd/)
>	1	The return of the carrage (3:56)
>	2	The spring and the pully (8:16)
>
>3 	Live at Aix en Provence (Almost) Integral performance, recorded the
>27th of April 1999 at l'Ecole d'Art d'Aix en Provence, Gh Hovagimyan, Peter
>Sinclair & Les Jaseurs
>	1	Talking mouse (2.34)
>	2	Simple harmony (4.25)
>
>4 	Active Vision, Inside the Mask: A Musical Instrument Interface
>using Eye Tracking, Addrea Poli, Eric Leonardson, Carol Genetti, Greg Smith
>and Mike Barron
>	1	Improvisionation (8:07)
>
>5 	Partitias for Long Strings XI 122, Paul Panhuysen.  XI Records,
>POBox 1754, Canal Street, New York, NY 10013, xirecords@compuserve.com
>	1	Partita for 16 long strings equally diminishing in length
>(26:08)
>
>
>.. ...      .......  ..     .     .   .....     ....          .. .. .
>...        ..  .
>steve bradley  * http://umbc7.umbc.edu/~sbradley
>   art@radio: http://wmbc.umbc.edu/~artradio

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"Everything is dangerous if you look at it with enough 
	paranoia." Jack Frost (aka Dr. Tamaran) 

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Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1999 10:54:05 -0500
From: DE Johnson 
Subject: gg: Mom and Dad and the Music They Liked; plus Inspired Kids

(DJ)Sweet and Sour on a Storied Day! 

(D)My father had no outspoken musical tastes. It was not important enough 
(E)to him, I guess. Perhaps that's why he told me, "Music's a fine hobby, 
(J)get a REAL job!" 

(D)What a joke. Thankfully, I don't say these kinds of things to my kids, 
(O)because they are both very talented. My daughter (10) is in advanced 
(U)band (the only 5th grader in Jr. High band!) and my son (6) is a self-
(G)motivated visual artist (his artwork loox _incredible_ for his age). 
(D)They both have many other talents as well, which I look forward to 
(J)helping them nurture as opposed to punching them in the head (LVB). 

(D)Anyway, my mom used to lull me to sleep with Peter Nero, Mario Lanza, 
(O)Burt Bacharach, and movie/show tunes on the piano. I still hear those 
(U)piano arrangements in my head. And the Carpenters...she played that on 
(G)the stereo.

(DJ)..."Scratch My Bach"...I'm still searching for the insipit!

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"Everything is dangerous if you look at it with enough 
	paranoia." Jack Frost (aka Dr. Tamaran) 

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Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1999 12:20:23 -0400 (EDT)
From: Daniel Barrett 
Subject: gg: System Of A Down?

A local radio station has been frequently playing "Sugar" by System Of
A Down.  It makes me think of angry punk music composed by Gentle Giant
and recorded by a late 1990's death metal band. Interesting/quirky
rhythms and an intriguing mix of styles.

Is their other material this good?

                                                        Dan

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Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1999 19:03:20 +0100
From: "Fred Rosenkamp" 
Subject: Re: gg: bawdy bawdy bawdy

>Anyway, MY desk dictionary gives a second definition as ""boisterously or 
>humorously indecent."


O.K. I see what you mean. Since english is not my mother tongue it's
sometimes hard to understand the right meaning of words. 
Thanks for explaining.

Cheers,
Fred 

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Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1999 13:07:18 -0400 (EDT)
From: mammienun@webtv.net
Subject: Re: gg: Oldest Instrument Found in China

I saw this in the USA Today yesterday. A flute made from a bone dating
to 7000BC...BTW...it's the worlds oldest Playable instrument! Suddenly
I'm young again, mammmmm.

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Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1999 12:09:50 -0500
From: DE Johnson 
Subject: gg: GG: Hail Nick 'T' Indie Haus!

Wo/Men/Kinder, 

This T-shirt is mighty fine, Nick! I wore it to the gym for my morning 
workout. Now I wish I would have had enough $$ for 10 of 'em. This 'T' 
will probably get worn out...like my old GG records! 

Thanx for brightening up my day, Nick. Surely someone plans to get a 
GGroupGORGG foto with everyone wearing these shirts in NYC, right? It 
would be an interesting poster...

DJ/CiViLiAN/Raconteur/le Uncroyable M. Personne	

Please visit my website and check out some of the 
soundfiles, etc. at: http://www.raconteurprod.com/ 

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Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1999 10:18:11 -0700 (PDT)
From: "David J. Loftus" 
Subject: Re: gg: GG: Hail Nick 'T' Indie Haus!

On Fri, 24 Sep 1999, DE Johnson wrote:

> Wo/Men/Kinder, 
> 
> This T-shirt is mighty fine, Nick! I wore it to the gym for my morning 
> workout. Now I wish I would have had enough $$ for 10 of 'em. This 'T' 
> will probably get worn out...like my old GG records! 

That's why I ordered three.

I had 'em shipped to my office, where I'm hiding them until I can figure 
out how and when to spirit them home, and where to store them once 
they're there.

My wife has nothing against GG (on interest IN the band, either), but she 
says I have far too many T-shirts.  (And I have some doozies...!)



> Thanx for brightening up my day, Nick. Surely someone plans to get a 
> GGroupGORGG foto with everyone wearing these shirts in NYC, right? It 
> would be an interesting poster...

As Vladimir or Estragon says:  Tray bong, tray tray tray tray bong.


David Loftus

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Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1999 10:33:23 -0700
From: "Scott Steele" 
Subject: gg: Phaedra; Passport; bongo jazz; new NIN; Action; floss; Frank Marino; GAP ad; vaselusion

>> I walked straight to a record shop and bought .

>I remember that album.  The vinyl was so scratchy, that it ruined the quiet mellotron parts.  I liked the drawings on the cover better.  T Dream got better in the mid to late 80's, but then I got bored with them.  Should I revisit????  -David Eric

Yes, go get Phaedra.  You'd like it.

<< The albums I own are:  Passport: Iquaçu (1977), >>
<>

>Man! Go and find EVERYTHING released before Iguacu.

Right on my Rocky Mtn friend - my favorite is Cross-Collateral.

>(bongo jazz a speciality)

  Ow!  My jazz beard!

>I don't know if any of you enjoy Nine Inch Nails or not, but, if so I
noticed that Rezner has a new double CD release out entitled "The Fragile".  I don't have it as yet, and frankly I think I'll gather a few reviews and try to listen to some of it before buying.  I feel as though he's lost something since "Broken" and "Fixed".  If anyone has heard the new one I'd appreciate a review.

I'd like to hear it from the perspective of a Belew fan.

>...anyone see Action, the new series on FOX? Buddy Hackett (no relation) cracks me up.

He is great, and the show is pretty darned good.

>Just to raise me up a crop of dental floss- raisin it up- waxen it down in a little white box - i can sell uptown.

I'm ridin' a small tiny horse.  His name is Tiny Little.

>> If I had dropped that much acid I might have been equally insane.

>Well, it didn't work for me, but I think Frank Marino managed it.

;)

>Of course a GAP ad featuring "Advent of Panurge" would be a real mindblower, eh?

Everyone in bondage.

>You may even call it Fusak, though it comes without the Kenny
G vaseline (Vaselusion?).

Keep it greazy so it goes down easy.  ;)  - S.

np:  KC Mx (I hope everyone who wants to hear this will soon be able to.)

scottst@ohsu.edu

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Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1999 13:35:27 -0400
From: "Yurchison, Gerry" 
Subject: gg: GORGG TShirt

Of course, you knew this was gonna happen. Any Tshirts left?
If so, details to mail for, please.

								Regards,
Gerryy

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Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1999 20:04:52 +0200
From: casglatze@t-online.de (casglatze)
Subject: gg: King Crimson: Live in Mexico City

Hi, fellow O-R-ers,

I'm turning to you with a problem. You might have read that I encountered 
problems downloading the concert from the DGM website.

Now that these problems are solved, it seems the concert has been taken down 
from the website. I accessed it today - and couldn't find it anymore. Instead, I 
only found a newsletter application form.

Should this concert indeed have been taken down, is there anybody out there who 
can make me a CD-R copy of the show - which I would just like to have!

Just tell me how much it costs (incl. p/p), and I'll take it off your hands.

The better the sound quality, the happier I'd be.

So...anyone, please?

Thanks a million in advance.

Yours,

Carsten the Krautmeister 

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Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1999 16:22:43 -0400 (EDT)
From: dashthecat@webtv.net
Subject: gg: keyboards

It has been interesting reading about the many types keyboards... I
don't know much about them and didn't realize that even the electronic
ones had such different sounds until the last few months.

My problem (this time) is that while I might be able to pick ut the
sound of a Hammond organ, I have no clue what a mellotron sounds like.

If some of you that are educated this field could find the time to send
me the names of some of the better examples of:

!¡!  keyboard type AND a song title and artist  !¡!

You might just contribute to the musical education of not only myself
but add further musical inspiration to the minds of my kids when I pass
it on to them.  

If you can find the time to share an example you know I would love to
search it out and listen to it.

~meow~
  Kathy

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Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1999 15:01:43 -0700
From: "Scott Steele" 
Subject: gg: John Goodsall posts to the DGM Guestbook

John Goodsall ()
              USA
                                                                    13-Sep-99 03:54 GMT
               
              Dear Robert
              Having studied your website, it seems that myself and Percy Jones have been victims of the same corruption that took you 7 1/2 years to resolve.  Brand X still records and tours and has become progressively stronger than ever, and I would like to get your opinion on some of our new material. I live in Sunset Beach, California and would appreciate any advice you may have on retrieving 23 years of worldwide record sales and royalties for which we have not received one penny.

I really enjoy your website and the stand that you have taken against the empires of greed.

Hope to see you in concert soon in LA,

              kind regards
              John Goodsall
              Brand X

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Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1999 18:14:34 -0400
From: Toby Trott 
Subject: nogg: Chock full o' nits and other stuff

Wacky Racontuers

>> So, are we going to do a thread on "wicked covers?"  I've got a
>> picture disc single from 1979 by 2 English girls called Blonde on
>> Blonde, who posed topless.  Who's next????    -David Eric

Well, yeah, wasn't it "Who's Next" that had that cement thing upon
which the band seemingly left wet stains on the sides. That's more 
tasteless than bawdy, though.
- -----
Steeleye Scott, in his Jeff Beck concert review, noted:
>Same thing for Simon Phillips' parts - Jeff has surrounded himself 
>with a whole new wave of fusion monsters.

So, which is it? New Wave or Fusion? Let's not get our genres all
confused. You know, there is a clear line between New Wave and Fusion
and between them and Prog and that line is right there...no...there it
is...nope...wrong again...oh, there it goes...around the corner...did 
you see it? Or was that New Age? I'm so confused...mommy?
- -----
Mammienun, regarding your poll of lurkers, and the info Bob gave you 
of number of subscribers...there are folks, like me, who subscribe both
at work and at home, inflating your numbers a bit. What you need to 
figure out, if you want real numbers, is how many of us "double dippers"
there are out here.

And regarding YOUR nit about Latin not being the same as Roman Numerals,
well, I know that, but they were invented by the same people/culture/era 
so they do kinda logically go together. So there....nyah! Besides, I was
just pickin' on ya! And here I go doin it again...and I still have no
idea who the heck you are under that habit...is it a nasty habit? Hmmmm
...on second thought, maybe I don't want to know what's under that habit.
You're not Scottish, are you? (I'm so funny...I just kilt me!)
- -----
I seem to have stirred up a mess o reaction when I asked why nobody mentions
Leo KotTke. Among other things, folks say he is incredible in concert and
has a great sense of humor. Nice to see he IS appreciated by this crowd.

For some strange reason that reminds me of one of the greatest shows I
have ever been to. The one artist who seemed the most comfortable with the
audience and held them by their funny bones for the whole show, was one
Arlo Guthrie...no shit. If you get a chance to see him, he will amaze you...
not so much with incredible guitar work, but just his sheer joy of being
on stage, and the amazing control he has over the crowd. You may not buy
all of his CDs on your way out, or even be humming one of the tunes (well,
you may be humming a tune), but you will have one hell of a good time.
- -----
Still, Diana Green responded to my remark: 
>>    np: Star Trek Voyager...hey, I can't help myself...it's the season
>>    premier and the conclusion to last years cliff hanger.
>Wasn't that KILLER? Best they've done in years IMO.

It was pretty good, but most notably the Star Trek folks finally gave us 
a two-part cliff-hanger that didn't use up all the good stuff on the first
part. I got so tired of part twos that wrapped up the dangles from part
one in some feeble fashion, leaving us unfullfilled, like the writers just
ran out of steam, or their muses abandoned them, and they just coasted.

Toby
@work I'm trott@sas.com, but when @home I become tjtrott@mindspring.com
and my whole world changes...and I'm lost to the world :-)
- -------------
...world's a stage...play their part...
              I have chosen Rock Auteur Two-bit Whore
                   (what ever the hell that means)

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Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1999 18:37:29 -0400
From: "drj_saro" 
Subject: gg: Re: keyboards

well, _the_ shining example of the 'Tron (imo) is the intro to "Watcher of
the Skies" by (the _real_) Genesis.

btw - i'm looking forward to seeing more of these!
thank you for your time and attention.

Julius J. SAROKA
drj_saro@neo.rr.com
Cuyahoga Falls OHIO

- -----Original Message-----
From: dashthecat@webtv.net 
To: on-reflection@darkwing.uoregon.edu 
Date: Friday, September 24, 1999 4:36 PM
Subject: gg: keyboards


It has been interesting reading about the many types keyboards... I
don't know much about them and didn't realize that even the electronic
ones had such different sounds until the last few months.

My problem (this time) is that while I might be able to pick ut the
sound of a Hammond organ, I have no clue what a mellotron sounds like.

If some of you that are educated this field could find the time to send
me the names of some of the better examples of:

!¡!  keyboard type AND a song title and artist  !¡!

You might just contribute to the musical education of not only myself
but add further musical inspiration to the minds of my kids when I pass
it on to them.

If you can find the time to share an example you know I would love to
search it out and listen to it.

~meow~
  Kathy

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Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1999 16:20:49 -0700 (PDT)
From: James Warren 
Subject: gg: PRISM once again

- -I am posting to second Robert Eksteen's endorsement
of the PRISM LIVE cd.  I actually prefer it to the
HANDS studio cd by the same texas proggers (but I
haven't heard their other cd release, PALM MYSTERY,
yet).  Maybe we'll here a show about southern US
progressive rock on Robert's CONCERTZENDER prog
program someday? :-)

                      JJW

n.l.--work! :-)... and speaking of the National League
;-), LET'S GO ASTROS!!

__________________________________________________
Do You Yahoo!?
Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com

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Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1999 19:40:52 -0400
From: "Jerry McCarthy" 
Subject: no gg: Passport

Fred wrote:

> >>Ataraxia (1978, released in the US as 'Sky Blue'), Oceanliner (1980), Blue 
> >Tattoo (1981).  Klaus Doldinger + Passport: Lifelike (1980, contains live 
> >material from '77 and '80).
> >
> >Are any of these worth getting at all?  I was distressed when I heard a 
> >post-Iguacu release - it sounded like Fusak.  Some of the Iguacu cuts sound 
> >like that too
> 
> Well, I agree, non of this stuff is really too exciting. Enjoyable yes, but
> not exciting. You may even call it Fusak, though it comes without the Kenny
> G vaseline (Vaselusion?).
> 
> If I had to buy these albums again, I'd probably only get Ataraxia.

On the Passport thread, while I agree for the most part that the pre-78
stuff was best (Cross-Collateral and Infinity Machine are both great,
great fusion albums), I did catch a show they played on Long Island in
1979 during which their guitarist at the time (whose name, shamefully,
escapes me right now -- it's been a L-O-N-G week) played one of THE most
beautiful solos I've ever heard on Ataraxia. Tear your heart right out
of your chest, it would, I'm tellin' ya.

You really ought to check those albums out.


- --Jerry

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Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1999 20:57:20 -0400
From: "Drew W. Eaton" 
Subject: gg: albums Dad had

Good thread!  My dad was/is a jazz musician.  He only plays piano now (a
Baldwin baby grand) but in high school, college and the navy played tenor
sax, clarinet and harmonica along with the ivories.  Needless to say we had
a lot of music in the house.   I heard  a lot of Coleman Hawkins, some Ben
Webster.  A real lot of Oscar Peterson, Art Tatum, George Shearing.  He was
fond of vocalists too, mostly Ella Fitzgerald and Sarah Vaughan.  Yeah, he
had the Herb Alpert & the T.B. Whipped Cream cover too! :-) He also had a
lot of show music, West Side Story, My Fair Lady, South Pacific, Sound of
Music, etc. and of course we had classical too but I remember less of
this....Beethoven and Wagner (my mother is German!), some Bach, Vivaldi,
Mozart.  There's more, for sure, but that's what I remember.  He was a snob,
my old man.  He couldn't cut us kids a break over our tastes at any time,
regardless of our age.  When I was 12 and groovin' on the Beatles he used to
come into my bedroom and say "why do you listen to this crap?"  Fortunately
the love of music was hereditary and now, while he still doesn't like a lot
of my stuff (King Crimson....yeah, right!) he at least has grudging respect
for Coltrane and Miles Davis, Davy Graham even Soft Machine and Gentle Giant
(among others).  the only stuff I can get him to acknowledge he actually
likes is jazz:  Hall/Metheny, Wayne Shorter, Mark Whitfield, some of the
Davis and Coltrane stuff (even though they get into that fusion, and
expressionistic and free jazz stuff :-)  ).  He's always been that way and
he's 74- no changing him now.  I just try not to have on anything close to
rock music when he comes over here.
Drew

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Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1999 21:09:52 -0400
From: "Drew W. Eaton" 
Subject: gg: Re: Hendrix at Woodstock

>> >Jimi Hendrix is hardly mentioned here either apart from recent arguments
>> >about Fat Mattress.
>>
>> A shame too.  I just saw the video of him at Woodstock.  Fabulous
>> performance.  His performance there of Isabella is one of my faves by
him.


then David Loftus asked:

>
>Is that one in the movie, or just the Woodstock II album?


I had just heard/seen it on the video recently (the Hendrix at Woodstock
video I mentioned above) but I first heard it on Woodstock II.  It's in both
the "original" Hendrix   : Woodstock on MCA from several years ago and on
the new Hendrix Woodstock recordings Speaking of, I can't recall the
title-it just came out and I assume it is from the Hendrix estate
recordings.  If anyone has experience heh heh with this new one I'd like to
hear of it.  It listed several songs that were not on the MCA
release....Gotta be killer I'd think.
Drew

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Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1999 21:27:00 -0700
From: "Frank Lauria" 
Subject: gg: Re: Re: keyboards

From: dashthecat@webtv.net :

"I have no clue what a mellotron sounds like."

From: drj_saro:

"well, _the_ shining example of the 'Tron (imo) is the intro to "Watcher of
the Skies" by (the _real_) Genesis."

Even more shining than "In the Court of the Crimson King"?

P-Frank

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Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1999 18:37:50 -0700 (PDT)
From: JohnEric 
Subject: Re: gg: Re: "The Fragile"

Belew is involved?  I had no idea!  I might go ahead and buy it without
any reviews.  This has got to be interesting.

JohnEric

- --- Phil Bradley  wrote:

About the new Nine Inch Nails release "The Fragile"
> 
> I'm anxious to hear it, also. The following is from Adrian Belew's
> website
> about his involvement with this recording ... 
> 



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Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1999 18:49:38 -0700 (PDT)
From: JohnEric 
Subject: gg: Altered State

After I've put a little more distance between the present and the music
memories I share with my ex, I will re-purchase the second Altered State
CD.  I can't recall the title right now, but I'd recognize the cover.  As
I recall, this progressive band sounded a lot like a cross between Asia
and King Crimson with Adrian Belew.  In fact, the vocalist sounds a lot
like Belew.  Have any of you heard their first release?  I understand it's
a bit more eccentric.  

JohnEric



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Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1999 21:47:13 -0400 (EDT)
From: mammienun@webtv.net
Subject: Re: nogg: Chock full o' nits and other stuff

Et tu Brutus. The Romans and their numerals and the Latins and their
pigs. I was making a funny...you don't think I'm that ignit...does ya?
Damn double dippers..worse than the lurkers...and sneakier, too. q;^()>
Ez

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Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1999 22:05:07 -0400
From: r-n-kworthy 
Subject: gg: gg

anyone going on IRC tonight?

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Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1999 19:15:47 -0700
From: William Tindall 
Subject: gg: RE: Re: Re: keyboards

Man, that's a tough call...but, I shock myself by agreeing with Julius on this.  I'm shocked, Shocked I tell you!
	Has no-one mentioned Strawberry Fields yet?  First place I ever heard a Mellotron...

Bill T

- -----Original Message-----
From:	Frank Lauria 
Sent:	Friday, September 24, 1999 9:27 PM
To:	O-R
Subject:	gg: Re: Re: keyboards

From: dashthecat@webtv.net :

"I have no clue what a mellotron sounds like."

From: drj_saro:

"well, _the_ shining example of the 'Tron (imo) is the intro to "Watcher of
the Skies" by (the _real_) Genesis."

Even more shining than "In the Court of the Crimson King"?

P-Frank

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Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1999 22:14:18 -0400
From: "David and Stacey Shur" 
Subject: gg: tron

Dr. Saro wrote:
> "well, _the_ shining example of the 'Tron (imo) is the intro to "Watcher
of
> the Skies" by (the _real_) Genesis."
Mr. Lauria wrote:
> Even more shining than "In the Court of the Crimson King?
David Eric wrote:
Even better than the choir voices in "Entangled?" (Genesis)

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Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1999 22:27:37 -0400 (EDT)
From: mammienun@webtv.net
Subject: gg: Essentially a GorGGmail, but...

I'm sure everyone on O-R knows about GorGG. For those who don't and scan
the digests looking for MY posts exclusively...here goes. GorGG
officialy stands for Global On Reflecion Giant Gathering. It will be
held October 9th, 1999 at the Heartland Brewery in NYC. Special guests
include Geir Hasnes (boy, I hope I pronounced that correctly) and,
hopefully, none other than Derek Shulman. There will be in the
neighborhood of 50 O-R listers present. Lurkers, bandwidth busters, and
double dippers to boot. Don't miss this opportunity to be a part of the
largest assemblage of O-R members ever (or the most GG fans in one place
since 1980)! For those already attending...I responded to Dan Barrett's
earlier post and asked him to contact Derek about coming to GorGG. Dan
doesn't get GorGGmail...so it was a good thing I wrote him. I asked
Hiltonius to send Dan the pertinent info needed to get Derek to the
party and indicated previously that all of Derek's expenses (i.e. food,
drink, transportation) would be covered. I think it would be a good idea
for everyone planning to attend to bombard Dan with letters impressing
upon him our desire to have Derek at GorGG. One more thing...has anyone
heard from v-bert? Later, mammie whammy.

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Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1999 23:30:09 -0300
From: Helton Barbuto 
Subject: gg: Splashing...

Olá Gigantes,

Scott Steele wrote:

>>Passport: Iquaçu (1977),

>good but they were on the way down

It makes sense...
The album _Iguaçu_ (not Iquaçu) was named after the Iguaçu Falls
in South America......they were to much close to the edge of the
waterfall they couldn't avoid going down......HAHAHAAAAAAA...;-)

Helton

np: Simon Phillips - Symbiosis

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Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1999 22:33:16 -0400 (EDT)
From: mammienun@webtv.net
Subject: Re: gg: gg

 I can't go on IRC with this f**king webtv. After the 1st of the year
I'll be 'upgrading'. For now...I'm on the downgrade. mmmmie.

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Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1999 22:34:10 EDT
From: WhytePunk@aol.com
Subject: Re: gg: System Of A Down?

In a message dated 09/24/1999 11:21:51 AM Eastern Standard Time, 
dbarrett@blazemonger.com writes:

<< A local radio station has been frequently playing "Sugar" by System Of
 A Down.  It makes me think of angry punk music composed by Gentle Giant
 and recorded by a late 1990's death metal band. Interesting/quirky
 rhythms and an intriguing mix of styles.
 
 Is their other material this good?
 
                                                         Dan >>

Dan,
      I have the cd...it's good but reminds me of a mix of Korn and Faith No 
More mixed with a little Pantera...LOL....Ok, if you never heard them, they 
are all good bands in their respective genre, so I guess you could say System 
Of A Down is a good cd...I have some trouble getting into it because I've 
taken a step back from that type of music lately. I could send you some waves 
if you'd like!?!?!?  

Neil

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Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1999 19:47:37 PDT
From: "Brad Oldham" 
Subject: gg: Parental Music

Hail all,

My parents met while they were each attending the Eastman School of Music in 
Rochester, NY.  My dad was a band director before later entering the 
business world.  My mom played violin in several symphony orchestras.

Needless to say there was lots of music around our house.  My dad was a jazz 
man, while my mom preferred classical.  A couple of dad's favorites included 
Red Garland and a jazz pianist named Paul Smith.

They encouraged my older brother and sister and myself to play music.  As 
such we each took up our chosen instruments and joined the school band when 
we reached the eligible grade of 5.

My dad was also a composer and arranger.  One Christmas when I was but a 
little tyke, he arranged Christmas carols for the family to perform 
together; dad on piano, mom on violin, brother on drums, sister on flute and 
baby Brad on trumpet.  It was a lot of fun.  Somewhere a cassette tape of 
our performances exists but, unfortunately, no one seems to know where it 
is.

Neither of my parents cared too much for the rock music I would play.  
Although they would appreciate it.  A couple of instances I specifically 
remember was my mom commenting on the nice chord progression in Firth of 
Fifth, and her being totally caught off guard by the funky 7/8 meter in 
Patchwork by the Dixie Dregs.  She was kind of moving to the beat until that 
part kicked in causing her to lose track of the down beat and surprisingly 
shout "What are they doing?"

Finally, yes, my dad had Whipped Cream and Other Delights.

Later,

Brad

np:  Mike Keneally - Nonkertompf

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Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1999 22:51:31 EDT
From: WhytePunk@aol.com
Subject: Re: gg: Re: "The Fragile"

In a message dated 09/24/1999 8:38:18 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
john_97223@yahoo.com writes:

<< Belew is involved?  I had no idea!  I might go ahead and buy it without
 any reviews.  This has got to be interesting.
 
 JohnEric
 
 --- Phil Bradley  wrote:
 
 About the new Nine Inch Nails release "The Fragile"
 > 
 > I'm anxious to hear it, also. The following is from Adrian Belew's
 > website
 > about his involvement with this recording ...  >>


I don't know if this is old news to you guys, but Belew was involved with 
NIN's "The Downward Spiral" also.

Neil

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Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1999 20:46:25 -0700 (PDT)
From: JohnEric 
Subject: Re: gg: Re: "The Fragile"

Actually that IS news to me, because I didn't care much for that release. 
As a result, I paid no attention to the credits.  That does give me some
pause in my headlong rush to buy "The Fragile".  Hm.

JohnEric

- --- WhytePunk@aol.com wrote:

> 
> I don't know if this is old news to you guys, but Belew was involved
> with 
> NIN's "The Downward Spiral" also.
> 
> Neil
> 


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Date: Fri, 24 Sep 1999 23:50:56 -0400
From: "Nick" 
Subject: gg: RE: "The Fragile"

Hi John --

I'm a big Reznor fan, though I've liked the studio releases less and less as
each one has come out. Unfortunately The Fragile continues this annoying
trend. I made it through the entire first disc and most of disc two, and
heard no new ground broken. It has the usual lovely design, however, a
double digipack. On the upside, I'm sure it will be great live, as almost
all his material is: having seen them six times, plus the Woodstock 94 PPV,
I can verify that!

Best NIN show: the Bowie/NIN "Outside" tour. Started with NIN, after a dozen
songs a spotlight came up downstage when the vocals started on a song --
crowd went nuts, thinking it was Bowie. Well -- Bowie was singing -- from
offstage! He came on with his sax in mid-song and wailed! One by one the
members of Bowies band joined NIN, and one by one the NIN players left the
stage as the set progressed. Ultimately it was just Bowie's band and Trent.
They did one last song together, then Trent left and Bowie performed
"Outside" from start to finish. he returned to encore with "Life On Mars"
and one more old track, I've since forgotten which-- I'll have to search out
the set list, I've got it somewhere still, I think. Amazing show!

I'll give the CD another couple of listens at some point.

- -----Original Message-----
From: owner-on-reflection@lists.uoregon.edu
[mailto:owner-on-reflection@lists.uoregon.edu]On Behalf Of JohnEric
Sent: Thursday, September 23, 1999 10:50 PM
To: Gentle Giant Group
Subject: gg: "The Fragile"


I don't know if any of you enjoy Nine Inch Nails or not, but, if so I
noticed that Rezner has a new double CD release out entitled "The
Fragile".  I don't have it as yet, and frankly I think I'll gather a few
reviews and try to listen to some of it before buying.  I feel as though
he's lost something since "Broken" and "Fixed".  If anyone has heard the
new one I'd appreciate a review.

JohnEric



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