on-reflection-digest Saturday, October 9 1999 Volume 01 : Number 1902 gg: NYC bound! gg: Re: RE: NoGG: Cosmos, indeed Re: nogg: NO, IT'S NOT OK! gg: GG v KC gg: More notes (or Noir Moats?) Re: nogg: NO, IT'S NOT OK! Re: gg: GG v KC gg: But where was Alfred Hitchcock? gg: GORGG: wish I was there Re: nogg: NO, IT'S NOT OK! gg: Fw: A nugget Re: gg: Fw: A nugget Re: gg: Yes in 2000 gg: no gg - GG Influences on New Tull CD gg: vocals gg: Re: vocals gg: Amy X Neuburg & Men CD Release! gg: Re: vocals Re: gg: vocals Re: nogg: Spanky and Our Gang... on O-R? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 08 Oct 1999 10:17:39 EDT From: "Reginald Dunlop"Subject: gg: NYC bound! Hello! My wife and I just packed up the ultimate cruising vessel and I'm on my way to NYC. See you all there!!! REG & Andrea ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Oct 1999 10:56:41 -0700 From: "Frank Lauria" Subject: gg: Re: RE: NoGG: Cosmos, indeed From: Daniel Potvin >> Frank Lauria [SMTP:Frank.Lauria@worldnet.att.net] writes:: >> gg: NoGG: Cosmos, indeed >Hey Frank >Are you in space or what Frequently, Daniel. P-Frank ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 08 Oct 1999 11:03:49 -0400 From: "Marc P. Guilbert" Subject: Re: nogg: NO, IT'S NOT OK! Do I hear any votes for the Cowsills? Seriously, they were the first "professional" rock band I ever saw. The second was the original Family! How's that for a contrast? And no, they weren't on the same bill -- THAT would have been truly bizzare! Unfortunately, the show with Family was also billed with the Nice, but they had to announce that band's demise that evening in early 1970. The stand-in band -- Troika -- was awful. Marc ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Oct 1999 10:40:51 -0400 From: Jonathan Roberts Subject: gg: GG v KC Someone mentioned that many prog-heads seem to prefer King Crimson to GG. It does occur to me that the sorts of dissonance used by KC are, to some extent, obvious -- all those tritones -- while GG's use of dissonance is more complex (the first thing that leapt into my head was the introduction to "Time to Kill," which is otherwise a rather consonant song for them, and though the middle of "Free Hand" does use the tritone it's more subtly used...). Best, -- Jon jonathan roberts \ the region of where guitar:synth:notes \ mailto:nartsegg@pobox.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 08 Oct 1999 10:08:41 -0500 From: DE Johnson Subject: gg: More notes (or Noir Moats?) (Matthias) manso@ozet.de (Ansorge) wrote: >I'm not aware of numbers being more vital to, say, Ferneyhough's music >than to that of other composers unless those multiple tuplets count. I suppose it's more a matter of degrees than anything else. >Often people have a problem with radical determination of the >determinable, which in the case of music extends to lots of measurable >qualities. Those constructivist composers are only doing their job--so >what if it shows in their scores. Good point. Some intentionally alienate and some are 'doing their job.' And some composers, like Boulez, make their music more difficult to read on purpose. Another side to the multi-faced coin, but it doesn't benefit the modern composer much. Douglas E. Johnson, Composer/Interdisciplinary Artist Please visit my website and check out some of the music services I offer as well as my scores, bio, soundfiles, etc. at: http://www.raconteurprod.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Oct 1999 08:25:52 -0700 (PDT) From: "David J. Loftus" Subject: Re: nogg: NO, IT'S NOT OK! On Fri, 8 Oct 1999, Marc P. Guilbert wrote: > Do I hear any votes for the Cowsills? being flung> Hard to believe they actually had a single with the theme song from the musical "Hair." Why couldn't they have done something more pretty from the show, like "Sodomy"? David Loftus ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Oct 1999 08:32:04 -0700 (PDT) From: "David J. Loftus" Subject: Re: gg: GG v KC On Fri, 8 Oct 1999, Jonathan Roberts wrote: > Someone mentioned that many prog-heads seem to prefer King Crimson > to GG. > > It does occur to me that the sorts of dissonance used by KC are, to > some extent, obvious -- all those tritones -- while GG's use of > dissonance is more complex (the first thing that leapt into my head > was the introduction to "Time to Kill," which is otherwise a rather > consonant song for them, and though the middle of "Free Hand" does > use the tritone it's more subtly used...). A broader way of putting this is the KC's music was often more "in-your-face" on many levels, which appeals to a big segment of rock fans. Lyrics were often more simple and brash, as well as the sound. GG's music takes more work in the sense that the listener has to approach and study it (especially the lyrics, but that goes for a fair amount of the music, too); for more of KC's music, the listener can just lie back and let it assault (or, in the case of the spacey instrumentals, wash over) him. KC incorporated elements of punk -- rolled with that industry punch -- much better than GG did, I think. David Loftus ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Oct 1999 09:26:02 -0700 (PDT) From: James Takahashi Subject: gg: But where was Alfred Hitchcock? [lurk mode off] Just had to rave about a few new bands I discovered at a local (Portland, OR) music festival. Dubbed "North by Northwest", it's an annual event organized by the same folks who bring "South by Southwest" to Austin, TX. For three nights, I wandered from club to club sampling choices from approximately 300 bands spread across perhaps 18 venues. NxNW is a showcase for largely unknown bands/artists hoping to be "discovered" by some big wheel record exec like [warning: obligatory GG content] Derek Shulman. As a result, the quality of the music varied from horrible to fantastic. Thought I'd mention a few highlights to give you eclectic weirdos a few more places to indulge your musical addictions. The first was not really a "discovery", per se, since it was my second sample of the tasty stylings of the Gone Orchestra. OTOH, it was a much different lineup, and hence a much different sound than my first Gone experience-- more jazzy and avant garde than before, with the silent spaces taking on a much larger role than in the often blues/rock-oriented tunes I had heard at their last gig. No way to pigeonhole these guys based upon the two performances I've heard. They are truly unique, and no point of reference that I can come up with would do them justice. All I can say is that the Gone has a lot of interesting things to say, but it's in a language that I can't translate into English. If you're curious, I guess you'll just need to contact the Steely one to buy some discs. The next band to blow my socks off later that same night were completely unknown to me: San Francisco's "Tin Hat Trio". Mark Orton on guitar, Rob Burger on accordion, and Carla Kihlstedt on violin combined for an amazing set of Eastern European influenced jazz. Highy reminiscent of John Zorn's "Masada String Trio", both in terms of composition (lighter on the Klezmer) and virtuosity. In particular, Ms. Kihlstedt consistently played some of the most beautiful violin that I've ever heard. To my ears, at least on this night, she sounded every bit as good as Mark Feldman. This is as good as this type of music gets, and I wouldn't be at all surprised to see "Tin Hat Trio" breaking through to the next tier of success. I'd be more surprised, in fact, to see them continue to labor at their current level of relative obscurity. Although their CD, "Memory is an Elephant", doesn't quite represent what they're truly capable of, it will give you a pretty good idea. Two nights in a row drinking beers past 2 in the morning, and I ain't as young as I used to be. It's OK, though-- on the 3rd night I found a musician who looked even worse than I was feeling: W.A.C.O.'s front man, Steve Gregoropoulus. I suspect that more than one person has had the nickname, "Wacko", pass through their mind (or lips). The "Wild Acoustic Chamber Orchestra" is just that-- keyboard, guitar, bass, and drums backed by a bunch of June Cleaver clones playing flutes (2), violin, cello, trombone, and bassoon. SG writes and arranges the toonz for this motley crew of Julliard dropouts. The end result is hard to describe-- I think the closest point of reference would be a symphonic version of Brian Eno circa "Taking Tiger Mountain" or "Here Come the Warm Jets". In fact, looking at WACO's web site (www.primenet.com/~waco), I see a section dubbed "WACO's Pee Party Games". Hmm... mere coincidence? And in contrast to "Tin Hat Trio", WACO's CD, "Sylvania", is every bit as good as their live set-- probably because WACO's charm is primarily based upon SG's ear and musical vision rather than virtuosity (which can also probably be said of Eno). "Sylvania" has seriously wormed its way into my brain-- I've been *needing* to play this at least once per day to get "New York on Psilocybin" out of the jukebox in my head. Sorry for the long ramble. Have fun at GORGG. [lurk mode on] N.P. WACO "Sylvania" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Oct 1999 14:40:30 EDT From: ProggRockk@aol.com Subject: gg: GORGG: wish I was there Raleigh Billy here, I just wanted to wish those at GORGG99 the merriest of times. My wife Sylvia doesn't quite understand my fanaticism for Gentle Giant, so a trip to New York for GORGG would be the beginning of World World 3 in this Raleigh household. So, on my behalf, somebody tell the esteemed Derek Shulman that there many more of us Giant Freaks out there. Someday I hope to meet some of you folks, maybe at the next ProgDays. Toby, represent the North Carolina GG contingent for us. In the meantime, I will be savoring my recently received Proclamation 1-5, and Giant for a Life, and thinking of y'all with kindness. n.p. Giant for a Life (Louie Mastro singing Cogs in Cogs is a Hoot). Advent: you guys kicked major butt. Great performances! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 08 Oct 1999 15:15:49 -0400 From: Bob Angilly Subject: Re: nogg: NO, IT'S NOT OK! "Hair" was one of the few songs the 'Sills recorded without Mini Mom. Was in a supermarket once where they were playing a "1000 Strings" version of the songs from "Hair" after a couple of numbers "Sodomy" was played (without the words, of course) but it kinda made me want to sing along. "David J. Loftus" wrote: > On Fri, 8 Oct 1999, Marc P. Guilbert wrote: > > > Do I hear any votes for the Cowsills? > being flung> > > Hard to believe they actually had a single with the theme song from the > musical "Hair." Why couldn't they have done something more pretty > from the show, like "Sodomy"? > > David Loftus ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Oct 1999 21:32:46 +0100 From: "Gifford" Subject: gg: Fw: A nugget - -----Original Message----- From: Keith Hyde To: Valerie Robinson ; Steve Wainwright ; Keith Hyde ; John Tarby ; Gifford ; Barbara Gibson Date: 08 October 1999 20:19 Subject: Fw: A nugget - -----Original Message----- From: uk/solrcn14 To: MWHSPORT@aol.com Cc: carol brown ; Keith Malcom Hyde Date: 08 October 1999 12:37 Subject: A nugget WHY DID THE CHICKEN CROSS THE ROAD? > > > > > MARTIN LUTHER KING, JR. > > > >I envision a world where all chickens will be free to > > > >cross roads without having their motives called into > > > >question. > > > > >>GRANDPA > > > >In my day, we didn't ask why the chicken crossed the > > > >road. Someone told us that the chicken crossed the > > > >road, and that was good enough for us. > > > >JERRY FALWELL > > > >Because the chicken was gay! Isn't it obvious? Can't you > > > >people see the plain truth in front of your face? The > > > >chicken was going to the "other side." That's what "they" > > > >call it the "other side." Yes, my friends, that chicken is > > > >gay. And, if you eat that chicken, you will become gay too. > > > >I say we boycott all chickens until we sort out this > > > >abomination that the liberal media whitewashes with > > > >seemingly harmless phrases like "the other side." That > > > >chicken should not be free to cross the road. It's as plain > > > >and simple as that. > > > > > > > >PAT BUCHANAN > > > >To steal a job from a decent, hardworking American. > > > > > > > >DR. SEUSS > > > >Did the chicken cross the road? > > > >Did he cross it with a toad? > > > >Yes! The chicken crossed the road, > > > >but why it crossed, I've not been told! > > > > > > > >ERNEST HEMINGWAY > > > >To die. In the rain. > > > > > > > >ARISTOTLE > > > >It is the nature of chickens to cross the road. > > > > > > > >KARL MARX > > > >It was a historical inevitability. > > > > > > > >SADDAM HUSSAIN > > > >This was an unprovoked act of rebellion and we were > > > >quite justified in dropping 50 tons of nerve gas on it. > > > > > > > >RONALD REAGAN > > > >What chicken? > > > > > > > >KEN STARR > > > >I intend to prove that the chicken crossed the road at the > > > >behest of the president of the United States of America in > > > >an effort to distract law enforcement officials and the > > > >American public from the criminal wrongdoing our highest > > > >elected official has been trying to cover up. As a result, > > > >the chicken is just another pawn in the president's ongoing > > > >and elaborate scheme to obstruct justice and undermine the > > > >rule of law. For that reason, my staff intends to offer the > > > >chicken unconditional immunity provided he cooperates fully > > > >with our investigation. Furthermore, the chicken will not > > > >be permitted to reach the other side of the road until our > > > >investigation and any Congressional follow-up > > > >investigations have been completed. (We also are > > > >investigating whether Sid Blumenthal has leaked information > > > >to the Rev. Jerry Falwell, > > > >alleging the chicken to be homosexual in an effort to > > > >discredit any useful testimony the bird may have to offer, > > > >or at least to ruffle his feathers.) > > > > > > > >CAPTAIN JAMES T. KIRK > > > >To boldly go where no chicken has gone before. > > > > > > > >FOX MULDER > > > >You saw it cross the road with your own eyes. How many > > > >more chickens have to cross before you believe it? > > > > > > > >FREUD > > > >The fact that you are at all concerned that the chicken > > > >crossed the road reveals your underlying sexual insecurity. > > > > > > > >BILL GATES > > > >I have just released eChicken 99, which will not only cross > > > >roads, but will lay eggs, file your important documents, > > > >and balance your chequebook-and Internet Explorer is an > > > >inextricable part of eChicken. > > > > > > > >EINSTEIN > > > >Did the chicken really cross the road or did the road move > > > >beneath the chicken? > > > > > > > >BILL CLINTON > > > >I did not cross the road with THAT chicken. What do you > > > >mean by chicken? Could you define chicken please? > > > > > > > >LOUIS FARRAKHAN > > > >The road, you will see, represents the black man. The > > > >chicken crossed the "black man" in order to trample him and > > > >keep him down. > > > > > > > >THE BIBLE > > > >And God came down from the heavens, and He said unto the > > > >chicken, "Thou shalt cross the road." And the chicken > > > >crossed the road, and there was much rejoicing. > > > > > >COLONEL SANDERS > > > >I missed one? > > > Ron ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Oct 1999 13:56:55 -0700 (PDT) From: "David J. Loftus" Subject: Re: gg: Fw: A nugget On Fri, 8 Oct 1999, Gifford wrote: > WHY DID THE CHICKEN CROSS THE ROAD? > > >COLONEL SANDERS > > >I missed one? FRANK PERDUE Don't worry, I got it. > >CAPTAIN JAMES T. KIRK > >To boldly go where no chicken has gone before. COMMANDER JEAN-LUC PICARD Because I told him: make it so. PAUL MCCARTNEY Why don't he do it off the road? JESUS Because the beak shall unearth the inherent. GENTLE GIANT There, running over Charenton Ridge.... David Loftus ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 08 Oct 1999 17:31:03 -0400 From: Tomas Subject: Re: gg: Yes in 2000 At 12:56 AM 10/8/1999 -0400, Daniel Potvin wrote: > With The way things are going i guess YES won't be coming to Canada until the year 2000. There are a couple Toronto gigs, and I believe one in Ottawa. I'm waiting to see if they head to Montreal, which is an hour away for me. *************************************************************************** * Tomás * "The hen is the egg's way of producing * * tomas@slic.com * another egg." - Samuel Butler * *************************************************************************** * Tomás Howie Drum Web: http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/9870/ * * Howie Web: http://www.howies.org/ * *************************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Oct 1999 14:50:12 -0700 From: Frank Viviano Subject: gg: no gg - GG Influences on New Tull CD Yes Hudman, HMF sounds a LOT like a GG composition, especially everything that wraps before and after the spoken dialogue verses. The same can be said for the short piano solo, "Nothing At All." Not only does it steal from a GG title, but it can also be placed neatly on Acquiring the Taste. Franco __________________________________________________________________ Date: Sat, 2 Oct 1999 12:22:33 EDT From: SHudson653@aol.com Subject: gg: re; No gg but TULL Hudman delurking here... Having recently received jtull dot com and the two Happy The Man reissues (thanks Gary Davis) I want to throw in my 3 cents worth. * Jtull.com is growing on me rapidly. However contrary to previous posts Hot Mangoe Flush is the BEST song followed closely by El NINO.... These songs are Great. Don't tell me noone picked up the GG influences in HMF???? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Oct 1999 20:18:47 -0400 From: "David and Stacey Shur" Subject: gg: vocals > "Hair" was one of the few songs the 'Sills recorded without Mini Mom Didn't they also record the wonderful "The Rain, The Park, and Other Things?" I still love that one. Sometimes, there is nothing like tons of vocals, like the Association, Cowsills, Zombies, Gentle Giant.... -David Eric ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 08 Oct 1999 21:12:39 -0400 From: "Marc P. Guilbert" Subject: gg: Re: vocals At 20:18 10/8/99 -0400, David and Stacey Shur wrote: >> "Hair" was one of the few songs the 'Sills recorded without Mini Mom > >Didn't they also record the wonderful "The Rain, The Park, and Other >Things?" I still love that one. Sometimes, there is nothing like tons of >vocals, like the Association, Cowsills, Zombies, Gentle Giant.... -David >Eric > ...not to mention Spanky and our Gang. Don't laugh... their "Sunday Morning" had a wonderful vocal arrangement, especially for AM radio back in 1967-8, and Elaine McFarlane (a.k.a. Spanky) sounded a whole lot like the singer in the Dutch group Earth and Fire. Marc ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Oct 1999 18:34:33 -0700 From: Herb Subject: gg: Amy X Neuburg & Men CD Release! Here's some info about our new CD and the CD Release show in San Francisco next week. - - Herb - ----------------- IT'S! The long-awaited "SPORTS CHIPS BOOTY" CD RELEASE PARTY! ***AMY X NEUBURG & MEN*** celebrate their new CD (on Racer Records) SATURDAY OCTOBER 16 at BROADWAY STUDIOS 435 Broadway (@ Montgomery), San Francisco This is a DOUBLE release, with EMILY BEZAR, who is celebrating her **sexy** new recording "Four Walls Bending." Emily plays at 9, AXN & Men at like 10. $10 admission. Sporting attire requested. Get BOTH new CDs at the show for only $18 (or $10 for one). ************************ SPORTS CHIPS BOOTY??? Yes indeed, it's finally here and it looks spiffy and sounds crispy crunchy and manly. You can get it cheeep at the show or if g(G)od forbid you miss the show you can get it directly from Racer Records at http://www.racerrecords.com/BuyingAlbums.html - also at Amoeba in SF and soon to be in plenty of other stores and at amazon and all that. Go here for some sound clips: http://www.isproductions.com/amy/band.shtml#cd Featuring the MENy talents of: Herb Heinz - guitar Micah Ball - Chapman stick Joel Davel - MIDI mallets and Lightning motion-sensor thingy JT Quillan III - ambient personality Amy X - lead vocals and electronic drums and ALL THE MEN on manly backing vocals. ************************ AND WHAT ABOUT THE SHOW???? TELL US MORE!!! A one-time event, for all you art-rock jocks and singin' sports fans AXN & Men will perform their muscular music in full gymmed-out get-up--- Don't miss the Fruit Relay, the Stage Climbing Event, the Yelling Match, J.T. in the Go-Go Cage There'll be Amy X Neuburg & Men Official Spatulas for sale, and limited edition Autographed Oranges and of course, the (un)usual electronic aerobic avant-cabaret music-but this time you can buy the CD (lyrics inside) and SING ALONG! ************************ It's WHERE, now? BROADWAY STUDIOS is this way kool retro classy-campy swing-dance mafia-hangout North Beach joint with disco lights, 2 bars and a restaurant (burger-y stuff), a balcony and a brand new rockin' sound system. (Oldsters: It used to be the On Broadway.) It's On Broadway at Montgomery - a quick 10-block walk from the Montgomery BART, or you can busss from BART to Bway & Columbus on the 15. Usually plenty of free parking on Front or Battery. ************************ PLEASE JOIN US!!! Call (510) 653-3556 (or send email) if you have any questions. ************************ - -- Herb Heinz herb@isproductions.com Herb's CD, "Failure" is here! For reviews, samples and more: http://www.isproductions.com/herb/failure.shtml For MP3 songs: http://www.mp3.com/herb ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Oct 1999 21:39:16 -0400 From: "David and Stacey Shur" Subject: gg: Re: vocals From: Marc P. Guilbert Subject: Re: vocals > ...not to mention Spanky and our Gang. Don't laugh... their "Sunday > Morning" had a wonderful vocal arrangement Not to mention "I'd Like to Get To Know You." -David Eric ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Oct 1999 22:49:25 EDT From: Gee23@aol.com Subject: Re: gg: vocals In a message dated 10/8/99 7:21:13 PM EST, dshur@erols.com writes: << > "Hair" was one of the few songs the 'Sills recorded without Mini Mom Didn't they also record the wonderful "The Rain, The Park, and Other Things?" I still love that one. >> I have always loved that song too. don't ask me why, it just makes me happy to listen to that song. dare I mention Spanky and our Gang on this list? To all at NYC, I look forward to hearing your anicdotes, antidotes, tales of bravado, fish stories and ribold adventures. scott allen ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 09 Oct 1999 00:35:30 -0400 From: "Marc P. Guilbert" Subject: Re: nogg: Spanky and Our Gang... on O-R? At 22:49 10/8/99 EDT, Gee23@aol.com wrote: ><< > > "Hair" was one of the few songs the 'Sills recorded without Mini Mom > > Didn't they also record the wonderful "The Rain, The Park, and Other > Things?" I still love that one. >> > >I have always loved that song too. don't ask me why, it just makes me happy >to listen to that song. dare I mention Spanky and our Gang on this list? > >To all at NYC, I look forward to hearing your anicdotes, antidotes, tales of >bravado, fish stories and ribold adventures. > That's it! THAT'S why we're not being flamed out of creation by actually having a Cowsills/Spanky and our Gang thread here... Wait 'till they see what O-R has become in their absence! Hope Derek S. doesn't pull a William Shatner and admonish the Gentle Raconteurs and Giant Troubadors to "get a life". Sheesh... Maybe after a few rounds at the pub they can do an impromptu a capella "On Reflection". Wish I were there; "In my way did I use you, come on everyone!" ;-) Next topic: The hidden meanings and tortuous time sig changes in Steam's "Na Na Na Na, Hey Hey, Goodbye"! Should be a real short thread... ;-) Marc ------------------------------ End of on-reflection-digest V1 #1902 ************************************