on-reflection-digest      Friday, July 30 1999      Volume 01 : Number 1795



gg: Re: three patch sheets to the wind/The synth bores club
gg: Juno this, Juno that
Re: gg: heresy?
Re: gg: Tales ... the final vibration?
gg: BOC's "Harvest Moon"
gg: This post is about bass players
gg: Kevin Wilkinson; MO Trident sessions; Didier Lockwood; James Takahashi; my bands; representation
gg: silly friday
gg: some GG content, I promise!
gg: silly friday, part 2
gg: Freaks; JLP; the JM mailing list; Out of the Fire; E, L, and P; Tonedogs; red violin; Dok baby; Mats
gg: Barrett; McLaughlin
Re: gg: Out of the Fire;  red violin
gg: no GG: Re: Dynaflex
gg: no GG: Ben Mink and the Sherbs
gg: Jon Anderson belief / Tales
Re: gg: no GG: Re: Dynaflex
gg: no GG: Gregory Bloch
gg: Radio Free Kansas upgrades to G2
Re: nongg: Divining Rods
Re: gg: Jon Anderson belief / Tales
gg: Re: L. Anderson

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Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 07:04:14 PDT
From: "Alan Benjamin" 
Subject: gg: Re: three patch sheets to the wind/The synth bores club

Hi Ant,

>>Would you happen to be thinking about the Moog Source, by any chance?
>
>No I never saw one of those.

OK, thanks. I'm curious to know what you had been thinking of.

>>I also own a Roland Juno 106, which is kind of cool because it is
>>programmed in the traditional button-and-knob domain, but the
>>results could be saved to patches.
>
>That was the last Juno before MIDI wasn't it?

It actually has MIDI, so perhaps it was the first Juno with that feature. 
There is no velocity sensitivity on the unit, both in terms of the keyboard 
and the MIDI implementation. (I think all note-on velocity ends up being 
forced to 127.) Being a string player that doubles on keys, though, it is 
often more comfortable playing keyboards that are not velocity sensitive 
anyway.

>>On a similar topic, does anyone remember the differentiation between white 
>>and pink noise? I seem to think that pink was filtered (but
>>can't remember how) and white was not.
>
>
>Yes it was filtered white noise. Apparently white noise has an equal
>amount of energy per Hz of bandwidth whereas Pink has an equal amount
>of energy per octave of bandwidth if you can get your head around
>that idea. In practice white is more random and unpredictable over
>the audio spectrum and pink is more even and useable.

Thanks for the input. I'm still having a bit of trouble with that concept, 
however I'll try to find some documentation on it. Amy (my wife) has an old 
book from college on the subject of analog synths, and I'm pretty sure it 
will contain a reasonably thorough explanation on white/pink noise.

Take care and thanks again,


Alan

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Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 10:35:23 -0400
From: Richard Hilton 
Subject: gg: Juno this, Juno that

At 9:00 AM -0400 7/30/99, Ant wrote:
>>I also own a Roland Juno 106, which is kind of cool because it is
>programmed
>>in the traditional button-and-knob domain, but the results could be saved
>to
>>patches.
>
>That was the last Juno before MIDI wasn't it?

No, the one you're thinking of was the Juno 60, which had some proprietary
Roland buss interface.  The Juno 106 did have MIDI>

Best,
Rich

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Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 08:49:22 -0700 (PDT)
From: "David J. Loftus" 
Subject: Re: gg: heresy?

On Fri, 30 Jul 1999, Bob Taylor wrote:

> I listen to the song On Reflection, and ponder over the taut lyrics;
> when was the song conceived? It carries a message (in parts of the lyric
> at least) that would be apt for TPaTG. It could therefore have been
> conceived, but not used, at an earlier stage. Perhaps there were
> difficult choices to make for TPaTG, with some songs left over until
> "album 7" was due; so I am left to wonder if any _other_ songs on Free
> Hand were re-writes from TPaTG sessions? (Similar questions come up from
> other consecutive albums).

I'm surprised to hear this.  I would never have associated O-R with the 
earlier album.  I take it as strictly a personal song, about a personal 
relationship, whereas a number of the songs on TPatG, though they use 
ostensibly personal lingo, are about the relation between a ruler and his 
subjects.  (He only thinks -- or pretends -- that the relationship is 
personal.)

But stranger things have happened.


David Loftus

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Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 08:56:29 -0700 (PDT)
From: "David J. Loftus" 
Subject: Re: gg: Tales ... the final vibration?

On Fri, 30 Jul 1999, Bob Taylor wrote:

> In message <4756af98.24d20007@aol.com>, WhytePunk@aol.com writes
> 
> >I might have to go out and get a copy of this "Tales" cd to see just 
> >what everyone is debating over...it sounds pretty good!!!     
> >                                                           Neil
> 
> Don't rush, you really aren't missing much ;-)


I've remained silent on this thread because I haven't owned or listened 
to a copy of TFTO in more than 20 years.  My gut response to the debate 
is that it wasn't as bad as the detractors say, nor as terrific as the 
fans have claimed.  Yes was my favorite band for several years in high 
school (until I went to see them live on the Relayer tour and a band called 
Gentle Giant opened for them -- but most of you have heard that story), 
and I remember playing the hell out of TFTO like all the rest ... but 
now I have no interest in hearing it again, unlike the three studio (and 
the triple disc live, or was that after TFTO?) albums that preceded it.  The 
one that follows it -- Relayer -- rocks harder and croons just as lovely 
in a shorter space of time.

If you like Yes from the classic 1973-1977 period and you haven't heard 
TFTO, you'll definitely find things to like on it.  But the odds are you 
won't like all of it, or avoid yawning in some stretches.


David Loftus

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Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 09:39:55 -0700 (PDT)
From: James Warren 
Subject: gg: BOC's "Harvest Moon"

- -Please count me among the BOC fans on the GG list (Dok, Neil, JEE,
others) who already adore the newer song "Harvest Moon".  It quickly
became a staple on Clyde's BEAKER STREET on Sunday nights :-)  The live
"In thee" is also nice, as well as a couple other tracks from _Heaven
Forbid_.  But the other post-heavy metal (late '80s Metallica-sounding)
direction of the album was disappointing to us (clyde and myself).  Why
did the band allow the un-BOC (imho) single "See You In Black" to be
released first, and 'pushed', rather than the superior "Harvest Moon"? 
Some writer/producer named Shirley? seems to have stepped in and put a
heavy-hand on the album and the band's direction and sound(?)

                    JJW

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Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 10:50:45 -0600
From: Jeff Smith 
Subject: gg: This post is about bass players

>np:  Gary Willis, Bent

Have you heard No Sweat by Gary Willis?  If so, do you think Bent is better?
As a bass player, I felt I should own a Gary Willis CD so I bought No Sweat.
I am somewhat disappointed with it.  He covers a lot of styles on it but
frankly I don't hear much original on it.  Sometimes he sounds like Pat
Metheny Group, sometimes like 70's era Herbie Hancock, sometimes like
Weather Report.  Anyway, if you've heard 'em both and think Bent is better
let me know and I'll give it a try.

Someone asked about a Percy Jones CD I recently picked up called Cape
Catastrophe.  I finally got a chance to listen to it and it is a worthy
addition to my CD collection.  I can see where a lot of the BrandX sound
came from Percy.  Percy plays everything on the album which besides his bass
is a drum machine and synthesizer as well as assorted other effects and
contraptions.  Percy's signature bass playing is all over - his sliding
harmonics, his quick attack/release and his vibrato.  I think this album
does suffer somewhat from the lack of a lot of strong melodic content.
There are some places where it just sounds like he's playing bass to a
soundtrack of noise.  In other place however you can almost hear a Zawinul
influence in the synth lines he plays and of course when he plays his
fretless bass to those synth tracks there are some obvious comparisons to
that other famous and now dead bass player.  If some of you on this list
have some other Percy Jones CDs that are good I'd like to know which ones
they are.  I don't think Cape Catastrophe is the definitive Percy Jones CD
but I'd like to get the one that is, assuming it exists.  BTW, I found this
CD in the used bin of the New Age section.  I wasn't even looking for New
Age.  I had just finished looking through the used jazz CDs and was walking
away when this one caught my eye - it was in front or I never would have
seen it.

np: Gentle Giant - Interview (Terrapin Trucking release)

Jeff Smith

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Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 10:47:06 -0700
From: "Scott Steele" 
Subject: gg: Kevin Wilkinson; MO Trident sessions; Didier Lockwood; James Takahashi; my bands; representation

>Dylan Howe, son of Yes guitarist Steve Howe, will replace the recently deceased Kevin Wilkinson as Howard Jones's new drummer, according to a spokesperson for Howard Jones at Ark 21 Records. Wilkinson, who also handled skin duties for the Waterboys for many years, committed suicide on July 17.

Ah that's terrible.  Was Mr. Wilkinson one of the drummers for the League of Gentlemen?

>Found on the net.  Legacy Records to release Mahavishnu Orchestra's " The Lost Trident Sessions", featuring John McLaughlin, Jan Hammer, Jerry Goodman, et al, on
September 14, 1999.

I have heard this music and I will buy this record, but . . .  they are definitely scraping the barrel here.  It interests me to hear the music that wound up coming out on Goodman's/Hammer's "Like Children" done by the Mahavishnu Orchestra, as well as studio versions of the songs that were on Between Nothingness and Eternity.

Rantmaster Consulting recommends:

>DIDIER LOCKWOOD - "Storyboard"(Dreyfuss Jazz)

and 

>ZAO - "Kawana"

Where can these be purchased, dude-man?

>Since I'm here, might as well also say that I really enjoyed meeting a few O-Rers in the flesh at last night's Gone Orchestra gig here in Portland, Oar-ee-gone (locals hate it when you pronounce it that way).  Unfortunately, some sort of mix-up at the club caused a scheduling problem where only half the Gone could stay.  Nevertheless, they did an admirable job even at less than full strength, bolstered by a guest appearance by the famous Ginny Landgraf on kaen/flute/misc.  Quite a trip to be able to
freely discuss GG with folks who share the fever.  I'll leave the full
GGettogether report to someone else (Scott? David?) who participated in the full evening's events.

It was very nice indeed to meet James and see his face after exchanging e-mails many times.  We still owe each other beers, probably at the next Creative Music Guild performance.  We share a gusto for some pretty noisy stuff.

>Fortunately, there will be other opportunities to see Scott's bands ... not only the Gone, but the Scott Steele Band (your basic rock cover bar band -- Eagles and Beatles and "Keep Your Hands To Yourself") at the Rock Creek Tavern in August -- and the McMenamin's Marching Band.  We'll be in touch.

Thanks for mentioning my bands David.  I love them all like my children; I have no favorite.  But hopefully we will not have to play any of that Eagleshit.  ;)

>I had the same thing happen to me before and I had to go back and read the mails over and over again to see where I f%cked up. I hate making mistakes like that as much as hate being misrepresented!

I appreciate this sentiment and I share it with you.

>I might have to go out and get a copy of this "Tales" cd to see just what everyone is debating over...it sounds pretty good!!!

Yes, please do and see about it for yourself.  You can probably sell it on this list if you don't like it (right Julian?).

>If I want to be screamed at, I'll watch Jerry Springer or put on The Crazy World of Arthur Brown, thank you.

Oh no.    {OH NO!}  You're gonna burn . . .   - S.

np:  Katia Labeque, Little Girl Blue

scottst@ohsu.edu

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Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 12:50:12 -0500
From: "Lottich, Steve" 
Subject: gg: silly friday

David:
>     ...I pulled out the 
> mandolin my 
> wife gave me for my birthday a year ago...

You pulled it out of WHERE???
_ _ _

JEE, at the end of his pretentious Brit co-worker story:
>     ...He 
> looked defiant,
> but w

But "w"?  But WHAT???  C'mon, I'm on the edge of my s

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Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 10:52:02 -0700 (PDT)
From: James Warren 
Subject: gg: some GG content, I promise!

...but first ;-) 

Carsten the Krautmeister asked for opinions on those Japanese miniature
paper sleeve cd editions.  I only have the one for Yes TALES.  And it
is a great addition to my collection.  The only annoying things (being
picky) are the small print on the fold-out inside lyrics and liner
notes by Jon, and the bigger size of the product itself (making it hard
to fit into standard cd shelves, etc.).  I am not an audiophile (or
hi-fi expert).  But I can indeed hear an improvement with the HDCD
sound technology used on this.  It helps with separation and clarity of
the different "voices" imho.  Then again, I've also heard it on a
friend's amazing sound system... and he commented that he thought the
improvement wasn't as good as hyped (in comparison with his older
Japanese TALES cd(s), released before the Atlantic US remasters). 
Neil, since you are looking to invest in a copy of TALES, I recommend
that it would be worth the effort and extra dough to buy this HDCD
Japanese miniature paper sleeve version.

From the majority of my on-reflection contributions, perhaps you guys
think I am not a discriminating listener when it comes to music (esp.
prog)?  For instance, I like TALES, I like Triumvirat, I like THE
LAMB... I even like Starcastle! (etc.).  But one band I still cannot
stomach was Uriah Heep (sorry Diana).  I credit Ken Hensley for his
fine playing and other efforts.  But Uriah Heep (esp. the lyrics, and
grating, falsetto pseudo-operatic vocals) is stuff I just cannot listen
to or take seriously at all.  It is like Queen-meets-Humble
Pie-meets-prog-meets-Spinal Tap-meets-"Hocus Pocus", imho ;-).  Clyde
Clifford is also a Uriah Heep fan.  I bet I'm in the minority up here
about this (and I'll recognize and respect the majority position).  I'd
be interested to read a convincing defense of Uriah Heep (feel free to
email).  Perhaps it might help me reassess them enough to avoid leaving
the radio station's broadcast room every time they are played :-)

Speaking of reassessment (and Gentle Giant), I have spent some time
relistening to "Mister Class and Quality?".  In case you forgot, I
started a rather controversial thread in the past about what might be
the "worst or least artistically successful" Gentle Giant song from
their progressive heyday (not stuff from GFAD, or MISSING PIECE side
one, etc.).  My inital pick was "Mister Class and Quality?".  Keeping
this in mind, I found it kind of cool that when I recently posted about
"Playing the Game" being my favorite GG song, that someone else
(Daniel?) said his One thing that has helped me to challenge my point
of view about "Mister Class and Quality?" is to give listens to the
remastered version (out of its familiar context on the THREE FRIENDS
concept album) on the EDGE OF TWILIGHT 2cd compilation instead.  Again,
coincidentally, it is proceeded on this collection on cd 1 by "Playing
the Game"!  {I wonder if there is any reason worth considering about
why the choice was made to put these songs right after each other? 
Perhaps Dan Barrett, who compiled the songs, has an interesting
answer?}  The remastering helps me appreciate all the neat stuff that
goes on during "MCAQ?".  I now listen to it with less reservations.  I
guess I now count it as a "guilty pleasure" because while I enjoy it
more, I can't quite abandon my arguments about where it is lacking. 
The band seemed to use an "everything but the kitchen sink" approach in
it.  And the composition as a whole seems to suffer from this.  Where
is the transition and development?  Critics could arguably point to the
playing in this song as showing off, and pretentious for the sake of
it.  They had not made the 4th album ("after the 4th, realization") and
THREE FRIENDS was their first self-produced effort (My criticism
doesn't extend to the other songs on THREE FRIENDS, though).  I better
stop now before I tick someone offfavorite was "Mister Class and
Quality?"!  We all love GG up here... but after that "all bets are
off," so to speak, about what else we should be assumed to like or have
in common, eh?

!

So, my estimation of the prog GG song to rank last has officially ;-)
changed to something on IN A GLASS HOUSE (not the excellent stuff on
there, ok, like "The Runaway"!).  Can you guess which less-than-stellar
tune I'm refering to?

Have a great weekend, everybody!

                 JJW
            (any other AVENGERS fans up here besides
                Kiirja and me?)

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Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 12:57:39 -0500
From: "Lottich, Steve" 
Subject: gg: silly friday, part 2

Ant:
> recently listened to The Heart of Things and Time Remembered which are
> simply wonderful albums by our John. 

You keep your albums by the toilet???  HAAAAAHAHAHAHA!!!!!

SL

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Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 11:20:23 -0700
From: "Scott Steele" 
Subject: gg: Freaks; JLP; the JM mailing list; Out of the Fire; E, L, and P; Tonedogs; red violin; Dok baby; Mats

>While various members of the band were digesting the bad news -- old folks like us are less inclined to stay up past midnight anymore -- and milling around the door to Satyricon, one of them made a remark about the "Goners."  I observed that in the end, we're all Goners.

Gobble gooble.  One of us.  ;)

>>"Aurora" (76) have to be absolutely seminal modern violin works.  This is another on in my Top Ten! I saw Ponty 4 times,  in 76 and 77, at a small venue in western MA,, where I was able to sit 20 feet away from him each time. Mesmerizing performances, each one.

>I think Steurmer was the guitarist for three of the gigs. Best 
performances I ever saw until I saw Earthworks a few weeks ago!

I have two favorite JLP concerts.  One was when he played the Starwood in Los Angeles right after Aurora came out, and Tom Fowler played the second violin part on Renaissance, while Mark Craney played bass drum and hi hat with his feet and bass guitar with his hands.  Very impressive.  (The rest of the show was great too.)  The other favorite JLP concert was when my high school buddy was roadying for him and tripped over his cable and unplugged him during the unaccompanied loopy violin solo.  Oh yeah, and the third one was when they opened for Joan Armatrading right after Enigmatic Ocean came out, and every tempo was ridiculously fast, and we had to leave during Joan's set because we were just exhausted by JLP, Ralphe, Steve Smith, Allan Zavod, Daryl Steumer, and Joaquin Llevano.

>Scott, I'm embarased to say that I'm not sure what the One-word list is.

You need not be embarrassed - it is the John McLaughlin mailing list.  For more info, send word "help" to majordomo@ml.ee or perhaps get in touch with owner-one-word-daily@ml.ee.

>I just bought a live album from Gentle Giant called " out of the fire - the bbc concerts  ".

Great stuff eh?  I love it all, especially

> 2- way of life

It re-convinces me that GG was the right guitarist for GG.

>For those of you who haven't heard it, the ELP tribute on Magna Carta recordings (Encores, Legends, and Paradox)has Jerry Goodman playing on Hoedown!  My oh my ... it put the hair up al over my body.

Oh man, I better get this right away.

>Yes!!! Another Sadhappy fan!  I saw them twice in Seattle.  What do you think of the Tonedogs?  Amy is a bit strange, but then so is L. Anderson.  I enjoy L. Anderson.

I need to hear some Tonedogs.  I love Amy Denio.  One of my favorite gigs was Amy Denio, Eric Stewart of the Gone Orch, and another fellow whose name I forget backing David Thomas of Pere Ubu at NxNW a couple of years ago.

Was Fred Chalenor also in the Tonedogs?  He's a great bass player.

>Has anybody else caught, or better, plan on seeing the movie "The Red Violin"?

Hi Toby, it's cool that you're back on a regular basis.  I plan on seeing it, especially now that you have talked it up.  Thanks sir.

>I want anybody planning on seeing this film to please look carefully to see if metal or gut strings are on the violins in the earlier eras.

Will do sir.

>>Dok baby, thanks for the violinfo and I haven't forgotten you.  - S.<

>Beam me up Scotty!  How long do I have to wait?!?!

Vvvvt.  One more week.

>np  Mats/Morgan  The Music or the Money  (if I only had a clavinet....)

These are the guys on Zappa's Universe?  Do I need to buy this CD too?  Groan.

Bif, thanks for the in-depth analysis of TfTO.  I will re-listen and read along.  - S.

np:  Saga, Behaviour

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Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 11:36:39 -0700
From: "Scott Steele" 
Subject: gg: Barrett; McLaughlin

About Syd Barrett's post-Floydian manoevers:

>Doesn't anyone else have an interest in the art that was being produced by a genius while he was losing his mind?  I was interested in this long before FOX started making TV shows.

Well yeah.  But I don't like that tendency in myself.  I wonder if the albums have redeeming musical merit, and from your post it sounds like they do if you are a rabid Floyd fan.  My Floyd fandom is more like respect and doesn't involve mouth-foaming.  So should I get it?

Ant writes about the Mahavishnu Slasher:

>I must admit I lost interest with Johnny Mac for a while some years back.

I think it was easy to lose track of Johnny in the 80s because of his trouble maintaining a recording contract.  Verve seems to be devoted to him now, which is nice.

>I recently listened to The Heart of Things and Time Remembered which are simply wonderful albums by our John. The former with a band and the latter mainly solo acoustic with some augmentation by an Italian trio of acoustimusicians. This one is inspiring for struggling guitar students like myself. You can actually understand what's happening fairly easily.  BTW it's his variations on Bill Evans numbers.

Nice dinner music, huh Ant?  I like Live at the Royal Festival Hall too, what a tour de force by John, Trilok Gurtu, and Kai Eckhardt on bass.  Phew!  - S.

np:  Frank Zappa, Grand Wazoo

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Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 11:59:13 -0700 (PDT)
From: "David J. Loftus" 
Subject: Re: gg: Out of the Fire;  red violin

On Fri, 30 Jul 1999, Scott Steele wrote:

> >I just bought a live album from Gentle Giant called " out of the fire 
> >- the bbc concerts  ".
> 
> Great stuff eh?  I love it all, especially
> 
> > 2- way of life
> 
> It re-convinces me that GG was the right guitarist for GG.

Definitely have to get that.  I've always been a bit dubious about "Way 
of Life" -- meandering vocal melody line, low mix on it as if somebody 
didn't like the vocals -- but several people on the list have said 
various live performances were pretty exciting.

And speaking of Glass House cuts ... James Warren better not be casting 
aspersions on either "An Inmate's Lullaby" or "A Reunion"!  There are any 
number of cuts on the last three albums that have far less invention or 
charm than either of these two cuts.


> >Has anybody else caught, or better, plan on seeing the movie "The Red 
> >Violin"?
> 
> Hi Toby, it's cool that you're back on a regular basis.  I plan on 
> seeing it, especially now that you have talked it up.  Thanks sir.

The film appears to have gotten decent reviews all around, although one 
local critic observed that a character in the film manages to play the 
violin while making love and remarked sarcastically that that was a 
pretty neat trick.  The soundtrack features Joshua Bell, a mid-30s violin 
virtuoso who still looks 18, and our hard-assed classical music critic 
who hasn't been that impressed with him in the past says he plays well for 
this flick.


> >I want anybody planning on seeing this film to please look carefully 
> >to see if metal or gut strings are on the violins in the earlier eras.
> 
> Will do sir.

Since I play fiddle myself (badly), I'll try to watch for it too.


David Loftus

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Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 13:59:31 PDT
From: "Alan Benjamin" 
Subject: gg: no GG: Re: Dynaflex

Hi again,

In regard to thin LPs, Bob Angilly recently mentioned:

>Worst case of this was RCA's Dynaflex discs which were designed to be
>superthin
[snip]

Reminds me of an old roommate of mine in boarding school. Before putting any 
LP on, he would always flap it up and down repeatedly. As you might expect, 
Dynaflex media was his absolute favorite. (I still hear that "wappa, wappa, 
wappa" sound in my head as though it were yesterday.) I seem to remember 
most of the Dynaflex pressings sounding pretty good, though.

In terms of label/glue fragments being recycled into vinyl, I seem to 
remember that 20th Century and Sire put out some of the worst. (That reminds 
me: What's the scoop on the release of the first two Ambrosia albums on CD?) 
On the opposite end, Warner Bros. put out a lot of pressings that were 
fairly clean, especially into the later '70s and early '80s. (This still 
doesn't make up for the fact that they still haven't reissued Mark O'Connors 
_Meanings Of_ on CD!)

Take care,


Alan

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Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 14:05:48 PDT
From: "Alan Benjamin" 
Subject: gg: no GG: Ben Mink and the Sherbs

Hi,

Marty Mermelstein recently posted:

>PS. glad someone mentioned nash the slash. What about  Ben Mink.

Yeah, Ben Mink was pretty cool. His LP (called _Foreign Exchange_, I think) 
was much better than any of the NtS solo stuff, IMNSHO.

>Also glas to see the sherbs mentioned.  I have both there albums on
>vinyl as I got them as promo copies on first release.  Defying
>gravity is exceptional.  They are not quite pure prog but have nice
>hooks, good instrumentation and great vocals.

Haven't thought about these guys in quite a while. Now that they've been 
mentioned a couple of times, I might have to dig out the old LPs at some 
point and give 'em another spin.

Take it easy,


Alan

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Date: Sat, 31 Jul 1999 09:23:25 +1200
From: "Keri Ford" 
Subject: gg: Jon Anderson belief / Tales

>From: Dokwebb@aol.com
>Subject: gg: Jon's Tonality and Nagual Dreams
>
>>From: JohnEric 
>>Subject: gg: Tales ... the Anderson equation.
>
>>Well said!  I too noticed some referrences in "Tales" that made me ask       
>                        >the
>>question ... Are one or more of these guys coming from an >enlightened
>>background that includes an origional form of Christianity in the >broader
>>picture?  In other words, not the pasturized Western dogma we have >now. 
>>So, my new question is this ... Does anyone know what Jon Anderson's
>>belief system is?  
>
>Toltec...  Jon really likes Carlos Castaneda and Don Juan Matus.  
>Carlos has been gone over a year now....He's joined Don Juan in the world of 
>the little red bugs....  sigh...

This is a bit flippant and misleading. If you're interested in what Jon's
spirituality is then check out the following link:
http://members.aol.com/opiowrld/opiowrld.html
There are a couple of interviews there and also a little bit about The
Divine Mother, who is in the tradition of Sri Ramakrishna. My impression is
that Jon has no set belief "system" he says in one of these interviews that
it is changing all the time. He seems to me to be attracted to a kind of
Universalism. If anyone else has read Yogananda, they would have discovered
that Yogananda had nothing but respect for Christ and the same can be said
of Sri Ramakrishna. Both had visions of Christ. There is no dichotomy in Jon
putting Christian references/content in a work based on ideas derived from
Indian Shastras. Jon also seems very interested in indigenous spirituality,
on this site he talks mostly about American Indian spirituality. Another
point he makes is his sense of the spirituality and healing power of music.
I think this last point is particularly relevant to Tales. 


>From: Bob Taylor 
>Subject: Re: gg: Tales ... the final vibration?
>
>In message <4756af98.24d20007@aol.com>, WhytePunk@aol.com writes
>
>>      I might have to go out and get a copy of this "Tales" cd to see just 
>>what everyone is debating over...it sounds pretty good!!!     
>>                                                           Neil
>
>Don't rush, you really aren't missing much ;-)
>
>Bob

This is one you will have to decide for yourself Neil. It seems we must
agree to differ in many different ways over this work. Even those that like
it are divided in their approach. 

Keri

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Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 16:29:55 -0400
From: Bob Angilly 
Subject: Re: gg: no GG: Re: Dynaflex

During the 70's Columbia and Warner Bros. were putting out very high quality
vinyl (the sound of these were especially clear), RCA was also very good.
Capitol, MCA, Atlantic and the Buddah group (including Charisma, Kama Sutra,
etc.) were heavy into recycled vinyl and their product suffered greatly for it.
Most of the import versions of ELP, Yes, GG, the Who, and Genesis are much
superior to the U.S. product.  I had a friend at the time who went out looking
for Columbia House Record Club printings of bands on these labels (you can find
these in used stores a lot cause the 12 for a buck deals (whenever you or one of
your many pets signs up for the Club) means a lot of these were unloaded on used
stores.  I remember him once being very excited to find a copy of "Goodbye
Yellow Brick Road"  with the tell-tale CRC printed on the cover.  Imports had
their own pecking order with Japanese pressings being the highest level (cause
in Japan they could apparently use levels of PCB which were illegal in most
civilized countries), German pressings were not far behind (there were a lot of
German Warner Music and Ariola (Island, RCA, Arista)  LP's dumped on the cutout
market in the early 80's).

Alan Benjamin wrote:

> Hi again,
>
> In regard to thin LPs, Bob Angilly recently mentioned:
>
> >Worst case of this was RCA's Dynaflex discs which were designed to be
> >superthin
> [snip]
>
> Reminds me of an old roommate of mine in boarding school. Before putting any
> LP on, he would always flap it up and down repeatedly. As you might expect,
> Dynaflex media was his absolute favorite. (I still hear that "wappa, wappa,
> wappa" sound in my head as though it were yesterday.) I seem to remember
> most of the Dynaflex pressings sounding pretty good, though.
>
> In terms of label/glue fragments being recycled into vinyl, I seem to
> remember that 20th Century and Sire put out some of the worst. (That reminds
> me: What's the scoop on the release of the first two Ambrosia albums on CD?)
> On the opposite end, Warner Bros. put out a lot of pressings that were
> fairly clean, especially into the later '70s and early '80s. (This still
> doesn't make up for the fact that they still haven't reissued Mark O'Connors
> _Meanings Of_ on CD!)
>
> Take care,
>
> Alan
>
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Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 14:15:03 PDT
From: "Alan Benjamin" 
Subject: gg: no GG: Gregory Bloch

Hello again,

Scott Steele recently mentioned:

>>np:PFM-Jet Lag
>
>Another good violinist, at least two passed through PFM.

Gregory Bloch, the violinist on _Jet Lag_, was quite impressive--a bit more 
so than Pagani, who was still quite a good musician. Really dig that violin 
intro that begins side two of that album.

>>Remember that these are only my opinions, so please try to keep the
>>bashing down to a civilized level. :-)
>
>We can't bash you!  You're too good of a player.  ;)

You're too kind. (Can't say too much for the current status of my violin 
playing, though. [:-)])

Take care,


Alan

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Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 19:29:27 -0500
From: Steve Taaffe 
Subject: gg: Radio Free Kansas upgrades to G2

 Well my friends we made the upgrade to G2 tonight. Prog music will
sound even better.

Please make a note of our new url:

http://g2server.radiotalk.com:8080/ramgen/encoder/rfks.rm

15 new "on demand" shows are now online.

Happy listening.

Steve
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Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 21:56:32 EDT
From: Claudio666@aol.com
Subject: Re: nongg: Divining Rods

In a message dated 7/30/99 6:51:02 AM Mountain Daylight Time, 
anton@musicnut.freeserve.co.uk writes:

<< I have turned up a few Water Boys, River City People and Greg Lake fans but
 that's about all. >>

I found Watercourse Way and Sally Oldfield's Water Bearer...

Claudio

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Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 19:36:30 -0700 (PDT)
From: JohnEric 
Subject: Re: gg: Jon Anderson belief / Tales

Keri, from you're info on Jon A. it sounds as though I share his approach
... as far as I can tell.  I was raised in a Christian home, and never
really left my roots, with the exception of becoming broader minded and
anti-dogma.  I too enjoy the Native American view, as well as insights
from other cultures.  I believe we can learn a lot about the way God
interacts with everything within and outside us through listening, and
silence.  I often have trouble being quiet, but when I do I am rewarded by
amazing points of view.  I have discovered quite a few ancient manuscripts
that added more reasons for an open mind.  I believe I will check out that
site you mentioned, right now.  Thanks.

JEE

- --- Keri Ford  wrote:
> 
> >From: Dokwebb@aol.com
> >Subject: gg: Jon's Tonality and Nagual Dreams
> >
> >>From: JohnEric 
> >>Subject: gg: Tales ... the Anderson equation.
> >
> >>Well said!  I too noticed some referrences in "Tales" that made me ask
>       
> >                        >the
> >>question ... Are one or more of these guys coming from an >enlightened
> >>background that includes an origional form of Christianity in the
> >broader
> >>picture?  In other words, not the pasturized Western dogma we have
> >now. 
> >>So, my new question is this ... Does anyone know what Jon Anderson's
> >>belief system is?  
> >
> >Toltec...  Jon really likes Carlos Castaneda and Don Juan Matus.  
> >Carlos has been gone over a year now....He's joined Don Juan in the
> world of 
> >the little red bugs....  sigh...
> 
> This is a bit flippant and misleading. If you're interested in what
> Jon's
> spirituality is then check out the following link:
> http://members.aol.com/opiowrld/opiowrld.html
> There are a couple of interviews there and also a little bit about The
> Divine Mother, who is in the tradition of Sri Ramakrishna. My impression
> is
> that Jon has no set belief "system" he says in one of these interviews
> that
> it is changing all the time. He seems to me to be attracted to a kind of
> Universalism. If anyone else has read Yogananda, they would have
> discovered
> that Yogananda had nothing but respect for Christ and the same can be
> said
> of Sri Ramakrishna. Both had visions of Christ. There is no dichotomy in
> Jon
> putting Christian references/content in a work based on ideas derived
> from
> Indian Shastras. Jon also seems very interested in indigenous
> spirituality,
> on this site he talks mostly about American Indian spirituality. Another
> point he makes is his sense of the spirituality and healing power of
> music.
> I think this last point is particularly relevant to Tales. 
> 
> 
> >From: Bob Taylor 
> >Subject: Re: gg: Tales ... the final vibration?
> >
> >In message <4756af98.24d20007@aol.com>, WhytePunk@aol.com writes
> >
> >>      I might have to go out and get a copy of this "Tales" cd to see
> just 
> >>what everyone is debating over...it sounds pretty good!!!     
> >>                                                           Neil
> >
> >Don't rush, you really aren't missing much ;-)
> >
> >Bob
> 
> This is one you will have to decide for yourself Neil. It seems we must
> agree to differ in many different ways over this work. Even those that
> like
> it are divided in their approach. 
> 
> Keri
> 

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Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 19:38:40 -0700 (PDT)
From: JohnEric 
Subject: gg: Re: L. Anderson

Laurie.  Yes.

Nonsuch ... do you remember all those experimental electronic LPs they put
out years and years ago?

JEE

- --- Scott Steele  wrote:
> I like L. Anderson too if we're talking about Laurie.  I guess she is
> moved to Elektra Nonsuch now, and has something coming out pretty soon. 
> - S.
> 
> 
> 

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