62.CONVERGENCE-PINPOINTED!

 

Shri R.K. Karanjia, the Editor of a widely read and leading English Weekly of Bombay, 'BLITZ', has published his interview with Bhagavan Baba, in the issue dated 11th September,1976. During a prolonged conversation Shri R. K. Karanjia had asked specific questions regarding the pheno­menon of incarnation and the Oneness of Shirdi Sai and Sathya Sai.

 

Bhagavan's replies to these deeply explosive and interesting queries, are highly enlightening and convincingly impressive, which clearly establish the Truth of Oneness of the Sais. These conver­sations are indeed thought provoking rare gems of information which merit special attention and 'quoting repeatedly. Hence verbation of this liberty to reproduce the dialogue:

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Q.: At the outset, Swamiji we would like to know something about your triple incarnation - past, present and future-that is, from Shirdi Sai Baba to Sathya Sai Baba and the Prema Sai Baba to come, according to your prophecy?

 

BABA: First of all you must grasp the com­plete oneness of the three incarnations of contemporary times with those of the past like Rama and Krishna. That is a difficult task. When people cannot understand the present, how can they com­prehend the past? Every incarnation is full and complete in relation to the time, the environment and the task. There is no distinction between the various appearances of God as Rama, Krishna or Sai.

 

Rama came to feed the roots of Truth and Righteousness, Krishna followed to foster the plant of Peace and Love. Now these sacred Princi­ples are in danger of wholesale destruction by reason of human weakness under the onslaught of evil forces. They are overcoming the good, the spiritual and the divine in man. That is why the present Avatar has come invested with the totality of Cosmic power to save Dharma from anti-Dharma

 

Why God takes human form

 

Q.: By the present Avatar, you mean Sai Baba ?

 

BABA: Yes I incarnate from age to age, time to time, to save Dharma from anti-Dharma. Whenever strife, discord and disharmony overwhelm the world, God, incarnates in human form to show mankind the way to love, harmony and peace.

 

Q.: That is understandable. But skeptics wonder why God should assume a human form?

 

BABA: Because that is the only way to incarnate the God within man. The Avatar takes the human form and behaves in a human way so that humanity can feel kinship with Divinity. At the same time he rises to godly heights so that mankind can also aspire to reach God. The realisation of the indwelling God as the motivator of life is the task for which Avatars come in human form.

 

Previous Avatars like Rama and Krishna had to destroy a few individuals who could be identified as enemies of the godly way of life and thus restore the dharmic path. Today, however, wickedness has tainted so many that humanity itself stands under the threat of destruction. Therefore, in my present Avatar, I have come armed with the fullness of the power of formless God to correct mankind, raise human consciousness and put people back on the right path of Truth, Righteousness, Peace and Love of Divinity.

 

Message of Triple Incarnation

 

Q.: Why had this task to be divided into three separate incarnations of the Shirdi, Sathya and Prema Baba? .

 

BABA: They are not separate. I have already mentioned the complete Oneness of the three in the final objective of the mission. I will give you an example. Take a kilo of gur. The whole of it tastes sweet. Next break it into small pieces. Each of them is sweet Finally break them further into small grains. You find the same sweetness in them. So the difference is one of quantity and not quality. It is the same with the Avatars Their tasks and powers requisite to them differ according to the time, the situation and the environment, but they belong to, and derive from, one and the same Dharma Swarup or Divine Body.

 

Let us take the example of FRUIT. It begins with the SEED, which grows into the TREE and from it comes the FRUIT. WORK can be com­pared to the SEED, WORSHIP to the TREE and WISDOM to the FRUIT.

 

THE previous Avatar, Shirdi Baba, laid the base for secular integration and gave mankind the message of Duty that is WORK. The mission of the present Avatar is to make everybody realise that since the same God or Divinity resides in everyone, people should respect, love and help each other irrespective of caste, colour or creed.  Thus every WORK can become an act of WOR­SHIP. Finally Prema Sai, the third Avatar, shall promote the evangel that not only does God reside in everybody, but everyone himself is God. That will be the final WISDOM, which will enable every man and woman to rise to be God.

 

Thus the three Avatars carry the triple message of WORK, WORSHlP and WISDOM.

 

SHIRDl BABA INCARNATE

 

Q.: Did Shirdi Baba actually claim that he will be born eight years after his death in 1918?

 

BABA: Yes, he did. This has been recorded by Kaka Dikshit as well as a number of other devotees who were with Shirdi Baba.

 

Q.: What makes you so sure are Shirdi Baba incarnate?

 

BABA: The knowledge of my own authentic experiences of course. The very fact that I announced that I am Shirdi Baba 40 years ago ....... when nobody in this part of the South had known or even heard of Shirdi Baba, proves this fact.