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Applepai
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*Sigh* I charge because I want to...

[XXXXXXXXXX]: oO
[XXXXXXXXXX]: pwease make my chosen armor >P
[XXXXXXXXXX]: i got all the pieces
To [XXXXXXXXXX]: Care to trade the C pattern for my services? Give me that and I'll make it for free each time you get a glyph =)
[XXXXXXXXXX]: oO
[XXXXXXXXXX]: XXXXXX makes it for free
[XXXXXXXXXX]: Besides, me and XXXXX got a deal for that C pattern
[XXXXXXXXXX]: Cant promise it out twice
To [XXXXXXXXXX]: What deal is that?
[XXXXXXXXXX]: MBC!
[XXXXXXXXXX]: wru
To [XXXXXXXXXX]: She said no.
[XXXXXXXXXX]: she just needs to losen up a bit
[XXXXXXXXXX]: Advanced Jobe Suit Shoulderpad Finely Refined Notum Blue Glyph of Enel
[XXXXXXXXXX]: Can you make it?
To [XXXXXXXXXX]: Yep.
[XXXXXXXXXX]: wru
To [XXXXXXXXXX]: But I charge 5m.
[XXXXXXXXXX]: What? Its just two clicks
To [XXXXXXXXXX]: And many IP into Tradeskills
[XXXXXXXXXX]: Your an engineer
To [XXXXXXXXXX]: Still spent over 1 million IP into each tradeskill getting them to what they are
[XXXXXXXXXX]: Ok put it this way
[XXXXXXXXXX]: I spend 55+ hours programming XXXXXX
[XXXXXXXXXX]: You use that bot
[XXXXXXXXXX]: I dont charge anything for people using XXXXXX
[XXXXXXXXXX]: Are you gonna charge me 5 mill for 2 clicks
To [XXXXXXXXXX]: You chose to do that and it doesn't effect your character whatsoever.
[XXXXXXXXXX]: When i dont charge people anything for 55 hours and 24/7 hosting
To [XXXXXXXXXX]: I can could have maxed Evades and be pure combat
[XXXXXXXXXX]: 5mill for XXXXXX please.
[XXXXXXXXXX]: In those 55 hours i could have made my own engy and gotten tradeskills.
To [XXXXXXXXXX]: Then do just that then
To [XXXXXXXXXX]: And see how much time and effort it takes in order to make it "Just two clicks"

Here's proof of something I went through the other day. I got banned from the Omni side Infobot because the person didn't want to pay 5m for Chosen armor creation and said an Engineer ex-orgmate did it for free.

My prices aren't any other Engineer prices. YOU DON'T have to come to me for services. I'm sure there are at least 5-10 other Engineers on RKII that can combine Chosen/Faithful Glyphs. If you don't like the Engineer's prices, then don't go to that Engineer. Many of us tradeskill for money to buy personal things and to other Tradeskill items. Just like a Fixer blitzs for money.


Just wanted to share an unpleasant experience I had with a rather extreme person who didn't want to pay. =\

EDIT: Just removed the bot name. Didn't want to give anything away.

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Nightmecha
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Well, this is indeed too crazy for words......

a sad day for engies if we get more of these happenings...

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Ellei
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Luckily I haven't had any experiences like this yet. But I'm just getting in the level range where I am starting to get a noticable increase in requests (lvl 161 atm).

And I agree with you 100%. If he doesn't like your prices, he can go somewhere else. Just like in real life. By banning you he is just showing his maturity level. As if he didn't already show it in the messages.

I hope that he sees this message and bans me from XXXXXXXX. That would be very funny.... especially since I'm clan. hehe

[Edited my message to remove bot name too, heh]

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heh

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Mystaro
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Re: *Sigh* I charge because I want to...

quote:
Originally posted by Applepai
EDIT: Just removed the bot name. Didn't want to give anything away.


Might want to double check your blockquote again then Apple, ya missed one instance. (not gonna quote it cause I'm not going to point it out).

Sucks that it happenned though.

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Rusty
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Sad to see this happened to you. I also charge for this service, especially if it's from someone whom I don't know. I have made a few exceptions to the charging rule, but that was always because the customer was sent specifically to me by a "regular" customer. In that situation I expect that the new customer knows the score regarding a nice tip and I have yet to be disappointed.

Course with more and more Tier 3 glyphs coming to me I probably better stop doing that whole trust thing soon...

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Applepai
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Re: Re: *Sigh* I charge because I want to...

quote:
Originally posted by Mystaro


Might want to double check your blockquote again then Apple, ya missed one instance. (not gonna quote it cause I'm not going to point it out).

Sucks that it happenned though.



Ah, thanks, just fixed that error =X

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Stone Hearted
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That's so childish...
But that's what you should expect from that particular person...I know a lot of ppl that hates him

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lol @ 'Bot Blackmail'

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heh, that's the reason I don't do tradeskill for strangers. I only do tradeskilling for firends. For stranger, I just reply I am a pure gimp engi and I don't tradeskilling at all... hehe even thought I can make 4 gem with ease.

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Effata
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That has got to be the most narrow minded act i have seen so far. But i'm not surprised. I say f*ck him.
All you Rimor engis, you KNOW who this is, don't give into this kind of attitude! By NOT charging, and giving into this types of action, we're digging our own graves.

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Of all the acts like this I've seen / heard of, this has to be the worst. I'm a Rimor Eng, however I'm 100% clan and therefore have no idea who this is, and have no intention of finding out. But this is the sickest thing I've seen in a long time.

Not purely because he didn't wanna charge, thats bad enough, but the fact he banned you from a bot is just... well... harassment in my opinion.

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quote:
In those 55 hours i could have made my own engy and gotten tradeskills.
Uhuh, suuure.

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Ah i remember the time when all clanners got banned from his bot because his towers got attacked.

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You should've just said "Gimme items then" and when u had'em, ran away :P
Would serve him right..

But what should engies (traders?) charge people for?
I've started an engie just the other day, cause all my other chars needs someone who can tradeskill for'em...
Would you charge some lowlevel guy for making a ql20 patch of living hide? Or is it only the highlevel tradeskilling u charge?

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I only do highlevel tradeskilling. If someone comes needing a ql20 hide made, I tell them to find someone else that is lower level. And thats because lower lvl people needs the tips they can get.

Sometimes the customer then starts to whine that he has been looking for soooooo long. And in some rare cases I just do the job quickly and hand them the stuff for free, telling them to look harder next time. But if its a big job, like Carbonum full set, I never do it unless its a friend or the tip is huge. By setting high prices on "mundane" tradeskill jobs, I get rid of those big jobs, at the same time as someone lower level than be benefits from the tip.

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As for this topic, you need a macro:

/macro goaway /r If you don't want to pay my fee, just find someone else. Goodbye.

Almost everyone accepts that and leave me. There was only 1 guy that really had a trouble with that, and proceeded to rant about it in this forum. At which time he got no support. LOL wrong forum for engie hate!

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Nightmecha
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Well, imo peeps can charge what they want. Its just a fact it makes economy stronger when there is healty competition. But there should be some list like elbo's post for minimum prices or else economy will drop and we will go down with it..

A ql 20 armor i make for free, its good to help out people too u know.. for high lvl stuff i like a good tip as any engi....^^

As for phatpanda: "". For stranger, I just reply I am a pure gimp engi and I don't tradeskilling at all... hehe even thought I can make 4 gem with ease.""

I cant realy say this at my lvl

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lol i know that person

so called said person bot blackmailed me too for camping alfreet with my team.

he can rot a long way in hell if he asks me for tradeskills that's for sure. i do my tradeskills for tips to ppl i know. *

* that's cos they insist on tipping me even when i say 'm ez mutter. :P


apple i feel your pain

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When that is said I wanna say that I will be looking at the issues, and I have been following the engie boards for a little while (hence my post). Your concerns are valid and I know that we have to do something. However, I dont know when we will be able to, we have a pretty tough schedule ahead of us, with Alien Invasion launching this summer (tm) and I simply can not promise a time and date for this :-/

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quote:
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Ah i remember the time when all clanners got banned from his bot because his towers got attacked.


Haha yeah, that were the days.
As Roedran put it "I hear we have been banned for using our Notum Wars expansion".

I'm splitting Wtfnet into Guidenet and Wtfnet. All guides will be on Guidenet which will make me able to ban all clan from Wtfnet A pure omni bot + clan activeties is a bad idea in the first place. That way Guidenet will have 0 input whatsoever, so no banlist will be required for that.

And if Applepai would check her facts instead of drama queening, she would notice she was banned from around 10min because of a conversation with Hitomi. I did contact Applepai, and if she refuses to do something for me that dont give me the liberty to ban her no, as hitomi told about the time xxxxx asked him to clean an imp and he said "Meet me on rk3" and he freaked, heh that cracked me up. Anyway, I'm off to make sure Guidenet is gonna be up and working.

Just remember, you trade skill, i bot program, you gimp yourself, i gimp myself with programming where i could be playing. If an engineer is charging for his services, why cant i charge for mine.
I dont charge though, but ill just be the bigger man and not complain about it Charge all you want, my bots will always be free (Except the 1 month guildbot hosting which is 30mill).

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