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QL
CLUB
INTERNATIONAL
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ISSUE 111
MAY 1998
MIKE KENNEALLY
MIKEKENNEALLY1@compuserve.com
Well Mike, if your reading this your back home, and I hope you had a
nice time sampling the plonk.
I will apologise on Mike's behalf for the rather short issue last
month, he explained to me that he doesn't really konw what happened,
but a few letters were missed out. Frank has re-sent his, as his was
one of the unfortunate ones to be lost.
FRANKS LETTER GOT LOST LAST MONTH (AS DID A FEW OTHERS), SO HERES LAST
MONTHS CONTRIBUTION FIRST
FRANK MERRISON,
GEAR includes 2 x JM QL's: Gold Card: DMP: Epson Stylus 800 printer:
2 x HD disc drives. 486 DX33 & Knee deep in paper & problems!
Mike:
Thanks again for sending me the new issuue of ClubQL newsletter. I had
meant to ask you a couple of things last month but I forgot --- that's
what comes of leading such a hective life!
I have had my PC for just over four years now and - apart from a dodgy
motherboard when it was new - I have to say that I am very pleased with
it's reliability. I would not say that I use it a lot although there
are occasions when it gets a bit of a bashing for short periods. I
mainly use it for writing various docs. in Word for Windows vers 6.00.
The rest of my work is done on "old faithful". You won't believe this
but I use a disc with all the Psion progs. on and load the one I want
from a menu. After many years Quill refused to load when the newsletter
arrived. Hurriedly copying over a new version, of Quill, from my backup
disc and all is well again.
I was going to ask you to do what all the others do and list your
equipment but you have decided to drop this feature along with members
addresses, a policy I do NOT agree with. I find it very useful, at
times, to see what others are using. Your case being a good example.
If we knew exactly which make & model your PC is we might be able to
suggest what is going wrong. What is the processor and it's speed, the
size of the hard disc, the type of disc interface, how much memory you
have, which program gives you trouble if a single one is the cause.
Have you looked up MSD? Have you tried using Scandisk? I cannot believe
that so many hard discs can be faulty - they are so reliable these
days. When it packs up can you start the PC up at all? Does it start
from the "A drive" start-up disc? Have you made such a disc?
With regard to members addresses and phone numbers; can I suggest that
if you have these on a data base you send a copy of the file or a
printout to all regular postal members for future reference? This
information could surely be included to those using discs sent by post?
CLUBQL HAS CONTAINED SUCH DETAILS FOR MANY YEARS WITHOUT ANY PROBLEMS,
AND I AGREE, IT COULD CONTINUE AS SUCH. HOWEVER, I ALSO BELIEVE THAT WE
ALL NEED TO BE AWARE OF THE LACK OF SECURITY USING ON-LINE TRANSMISSIONS
SUCH AS E-MAIL. MY OWN SUGGESTION WOULD BE TO CONTINUE TO LEAVE IN
ADDRESSES AND HARDWARE CONFIGURATIONS FOR MAIL USERS, AND STRIP OUT
THESE DETAILS FOR E-MAIL USERS. AN E-MAIL ADDRESS IS ALL THATS REQUIRED.
I'm glad to see that there is quite a lot of support for my suggestion
about compiling a new set of directions for Qpac2. Call it a manual,
instructions or whatever, so long as it is written in a manner that
beginners can follow I am sure it will be welcome by many. I sorted out
the articles by Bill Waugh and hope to give them some deep thought when
I get time to relax! I am beginning to think that I have a blind spot
such as others have for printer drivers. Like everything else it will
prove to be "simple when you know how"
Now 23-4-1998..............
As you will see Mike much time has passed since I began this letter.
Two reasons for this:
1) I've been busy (as usual) and
2) Every spare minute that I have had has been spent reading and
trying to understand the articles in the 1995 editions of Quanta by
both Bill Waugh and Wolfgang Lenerz. If it is any satisfaction to Bill
he might like to know that on many occasions I have been reading his
learned treatise at 2 or 3am when I couldn't sleep. I am sure that he
knows about the following but, as I have said previously, I seem to
have a blind spot for Qpac going back to Qpac1 when it was much simpler
than now! It didn't help when Fig 8 & Fig 9 turned out to be missing
from Quanta (Feb 1995 page 19) Another problem left me ready to commit
hari-kari when, having typed in the boot file as per the same page 19 I
found that whenever I tried to load Archive from the button all I got
was the Rjob menu. Not understanding what was happening (at first) I
selected Archive (in this Rjob menu) and did a "DO", in the expectation
of it loading up, only to find Archive had gone!!!!! Why should the
button bring up Rjobs? Going right back to the boot file I discovered
that line 330 had a capital R as printed in Quanta even though I had,
in fact typed in an "r". When I tried to alter this my QL insisted in
changing the lower case "r", that I typed in, to a capital "R". Much
scratching of the dome. I replaced R with chr$(114) and it now works OK
with Archive loading as it should. I must try putting the "r" in quotes
and see if that works... Back soon ----- I hope.
Well I tried it and it does work.
Another question for Bill.
As I understand it - the lightening flash alongside the Quill button
is because line 220 uses HOT_RES for Quill and it stays resident in
memory. Why is there a similar flash beside Abacus and Archive when
these are called up by HOT_LOAD?
Quanta March 1995 Page 7 item 4 reads " CTRL F3 - A hit or DO on this
symbol etc...." The sketch on page 6 is correct in referring to CTRL
F2.
Quanta March 1995 Page 12 para 4. Refers to the destination menu
listing the sub-directories. I could only get these displayed by
putting the cursor in the blank menu space and hitting the space-bar -
a HIT - when the help files were listed.
Finally I added lines 360/370 for separate disc directory buttons. The
button with D flp2_ lists flp1_ until I use F2 to change it to Flp2_
whereupon it remains as it should be. Any further use of this button
bringing up the directory for flp2_.
There! I have at last worked my way through the first of Bill's
articles. Apart from the minor printing errors I found them all very
clearly explained. All I have to do now is try to remember what
everything does and how it does it. In other words I need a lot of
practice. On to the April issue.
Having worked my way through this issue and continually switching into
Quill to add to this letter I began to get a rough idea of just what
Qpac2 might be used for. I think I managed to understand most of this
issue but it was only when I moved to the August issue of Quanta that I
saw a different way of entering lines 370 & 370. with the \ character
before the D Flp2_. Ahha! said I - another printing error by Quanta!
However adding these backslashes made no difference.
My next plan is to study the writings of Wolfgang Lenerz in the hopes
of the dawn of understanding! Many thanks to Bill Waugh for showing me
more than I ever thought to grasp on this subject. I am sure that a few
members with his level of knowledge could produce a guide that would
cover all that anyone would wish to know and what is more be able to
understand.
I look forward to more comments on this subject.
Monday, 27-4-1998.
Try again.....
Since reading through the copies of Quanta that included Bill's
articles I decided to work my way through the whole of that year's
issues while I had them out of the file. Only then did I find another
session by Bill in the June copy. The final printed words from Wolfgang
Lenerz in the March issue promised more in April. This never appeared
and I now remember writing to the Editor of Quanta a few months later
asking what had happened to it. It was at this time that Phil Jones
took on the job and I suppose my letter got lost in the changeover. I
guess that this was the reason why I never continued to study the
problem at the time and it got overlooked with my volume of other
interests. I have now made enquiries directly to Wolfgang by post and
I'll keep you informed of any reply I get.
Again I would like to thank Bill for his efforts. I feel sure that
someone among us must have both the time and knowledge to put together
a set of instructions that the beginner can follow. I hope.....
Best wishes to all..... Frank Merrison.
AND NOW FOR THIS MONTHS CONTRIBUTION (SOUNDS BETTER THAN BURNT
OFFERING).
FRANK MERRISON,
23-5-1998
GEAR includes 2 x JM QL's: Gold Card: DMP: Epson Stylus 800 printer:
2 x HD disc drives. 486 DX33 & Knee deep in paper & problems!
Dear Graham:
Mike says that you are filling the hot seat this month. Isn't he lucky?
We can never find volunteers to assist the various local groups, I'm
connected with, to carry on their good works!
I do not know what happened last month but the newsletter was only half
complete. If you noticed there were anly about four or five
contributors to this issue and my piece was certainly missing. I phoned
Mike at the time and he was sure that he had included it but he was
mistaken because I checked with others who, also, only had the short
version of ql110_doc. My bit, for last month, is still on this disc
under the filename of "MIKES_DOC" and my latest burnt offering is
called "GRAHAM_DOC"
Some 2/3 months ago I made the suggestion that knowledgable members of
the club might consider producing an up-to-date manual for Qpac2. This
suggestion seemed to meet with much support and I believe one member
was already moving along these lines. Last month Dilwyn Jones reported
that he used to distribute something similar, when he was a trader,
written by Norman Dunbar. Unfortunately, due to the missing letters, I
do not know what other ideas have come forth from members.
Two month ago Bill Waugh said that he had sent a series of articles on
this subject to QUANTA in 1995. Since then I have worked my way through
QUANTA issues for 1993/1996 and found quite a lot of information that I
had forgotten existed. There is no doubt tha Bill Waugh's series
covered the topic extremely well and it so happened that at the very
same time Wolfgang Lenerz also wrote, more or less, covering the same
ground. The final article from Woolfgang was never printed and I did
write to QUANTA asking about it. I got no reply and time went by until
the whole thing slipped my mind. I recently wrote to Woolfgang in
Paris asking if he still had a copy of this missing information but
again - no reply. I worked my way through these articles and learned a
lot. It certainly looks as though it is possible to use QPAC2 in a
fairly simple fashion but I consider that this manner of operation
serves no useful purpose - in fact - in my opinion Qpac2 only gets in
the way. Experts can get involved very deeply in programing to use it
as intended. I would still like to see someone compile all this
information into a logical manual that would be easy to follow and make
progress with.
When PERFECTION (and some other multitasking programs) are loaded there
is no cursor to use as it remains in basic and has to be switched into
PERFECTION with CTRL/C. If WMAN and PTR_GEN are loaded this is
rectified and the cursor is present and PERFECTION is ready to use. I
believe this is due to WMAN and that PTR_GEN is not necessary but it is
in my boot file anyway.
As I said I have been plowing through back issues of QUANTA seeking
information on QPAC2. This is very laborious and it would be helpful if
an index could be produced so that all the articles on any particularr
subject could be found easily. I have a vague recollection that a
program exists to do this somewhere. Any suggestions?
Last month Dilwyn commented on the idea of using Video cassettes
forback-up storage. He mentioned trying to get a video signal through
the
network port. I am fairly ignorant of the technicalities but it seems
to me that it would be possible to do a 'save' through the TV output
port but there is no way of reading it back as there is no TV input
port. I think Martin covered the other problems to this idea, the
difficulty of locating a file in the middle of the tape for example.
With hard drives, both fixed and portable, being so cheap this seems to
be the way to go if only for the speed of saving and reading files. See
Mark Knight's article on QUBIDE in QUANTA September 1996 issue. This
gives a great deal of info. on installing and using hard discs.
I would like to thank Dilwyn for his very useful explanation of the
'dev_use' command in TK2. Only the very day before my newsletter
arrived I had spent a lot of time moving many files into
sub-directories after seeing how it is done at the last London sub-
group meeting. I copied loads of quill_doc, archive, abacus and
Perfection files onto new sub-directories only to find that quill
refused to load them. I know why now --- if only my newsletter had come
a day earlier - ie. before I put them back where they were in the first
place!!
Like you Paul I went through the Hi-Fi craze being very interested in
the reproduction of music as near to perfection as possible. I have a
BBC program recorded on 7" reels and when I first heard it I thought
my wife had come into the room and was standing by the end of the
settee I was sitting on. I nearly jumped out of my skin when she
started talking only to realise it was part of the broadcast and the
room was empty! I am convinced that not more than one person in a
million has heard true 3D HI-FI sound where the person speaking can be
seen (in imagination) moving around in the room while taking or
singing. Did you hear the BBC program called "Oil rig"? If it is of any
interest I have Armstrong 600 series tuner & amp (separate units) Akai
R to R recorder, Connoisseur BD102 turntable with automatic pickup lift
off (as it nears the centre) done with a solonoid, not mechanically
with wear pressure on the stylus or track of the record, and Twin KEF
Concerto speakers.
Ah! happy days! I don't get time to sit and stare now and the little
room where I spend my spare time on the old computer is too small to
store all the HI_FI gear. If I brought the speakers in there would be
no room for me!
Over the years I have begged and pleaded for members to give details of
programs that come my way on the discs. Last issue there were five
compressed files with no word of what they are for or do, how they
might be useful or how they are used. Please - any info still
welcome!!!
There are times when I suddenly notice people using some unfamiliar
computer term in a very familiar manner - terms that I seem strange to
me. Have I been asleep and missed their arrival? The latest I've come
across is "Events" as in "SMS/E can handle events without any problem"
Can someone tell me what this expression means and where it seems to
have sprung from?
I think that is all for now .... Frank Merrison.
#! Dennis Smith.
NET1 (installed in a mini tower) Aurora, Super Gold card,
SuperHermes, Qubide, 420Mb hard disk, EZ135 removeable hard disk,
2 ED drives, (SER3)Pace 33.6 modem, (SER6)3 button serial mouse,
Printers: (SER1)Star LC10, (PAR)HP 540 Deskjet, 15 inch SVGA
monitor.
Operating system Minerva 1.97, SMSQ/E.
Hi,
It is your turn for the bargins.
For sale:
QL 20
QL power supply 8
Twin DD disk drives 25
Trumpcard 2 25
Expanderam 512 15
Disk drive interface 15
Falkenburg keyboard interface 15
Qimi mouse interface 12
Real time clock 12
All prices include post & packing.
The real time clock will retain the correct time on your QL
when it is switched off, no need to set the time each time you
switch on.
That's all for this month, bye. - Dennis.
ANY TAKERS !!!!
Michael Kite
28th May 1998
Equipment: Gold Card; QL Minerva 1.97 mk.1; Hermes; Two 3.5" Disc
drives; One 5.25 Disc Drive; Philips colour Monitor; SERMouse; Seikosha
SP-1000AS 9 pin printer Epson RX 80F/T+ 9 pin printer with parallel
port and added serial port. 486 PC with 540 meg hard drive and C.D.:
The PC is only used for things which are compatible with the computers
at work.
Hello all
Graham could you please send me a copy of QL110 and QL111 this months
as I did not get QL110. I phone Mike Kenneally last night to find out
if he had sent it.
CONSIDER IT DONE!
What had happened was the disc I sent him would not copy and had
nothing on it, so I do not know what has been said.
I have now finished the modifications to the utility room in our house
and the decorating of the second bebroom.
I have been very busy at work having also to go away to do work at
other factories installing or setting up packaging machines. This has
left very very little time to have fun on the QL. Also we are off to
Canada to see my wife Wendy,s sister later in June, which will be a
good break.
Graham I will save this document to the disc and then reload it to make
sure it is on the disc. I will also include a second disc for the other
mag.
Mike Kite.
#!
Colin Baskett
27 May 1998
Dear Graham,
Dilwyn wrote about directories:
I find the big problem with directories is to devise a
directory structure that will satisfy my future needs. Or
alternatively to find a fool-proof way of copying files from an
old unsatisfactory structure to the new, gleaming structure, that
inevitably suggests itself shortly after I have set up a new
directory structure. To give one or two examples off the top of my
head:
whether to arrange executable programs in, say, win1_progs_,
with separate directories for resident extensions, ancilliary
files, and data files, OR
whether to arrange, say, all Quill files under win1_quil_,
all LineDesign files under win1_LD_, etc..
together in both cases, of course, with a further division
into sub-dirctories as appropriate.
QUESTION: Are there any model structures ??
Dilwyn wrote about "things" -
" These little utilities are loaded into memory, and the
operating system keeps a list (called a Linked List) of these
facilities, so that it can find them. These have identifiers,
which may be recognisable names or just a short pattern of numbers
(commonly a 4 byte string). So if a program knows how to use a
particular thing it can search through the linked list to find the
name, then once found it can make use of the thing."
I wonder if Dilwyn, or someone, could give a concrete example
of something a program can do through the 'thing' system. And
explain why a "Linked" List ???
Many thanks Dilwyn for the time you spend helping us !!
Martin Burke. Sorry to read about your accident. I hope you are
fully mended by now.
May I support Paul McPHERSON's suggestion about a "special" disc
full of QPAC2 examples, boot files and tips. And similar tutorials for
the new QL hardware and the more complicated software.
QUANTA (i.e. the Association) keeps a list of hardware, software
and public domain suppliers in the "Welcome Booklet". The problem is
getting in the information to update it. Paul McPherson's suggestion
would be a valuable service and I should be glad to publicise it
through Quanta (the NewsLetter).
Paul also wrote -
"Similarly, perhaps QLCI members could write in and detail how
they have upgraded their QLs with any DIY projects they have undertaken
to improve their basic machines, thereby advising the rest of us on the
costs involved, the advantages, the pitfalls and just how they managed
to do it all?"
I should be glad to give further publicity to such contributions
through Quanta.
Martin Wheatley wrote:
- about limitations on what the holders of legal copies of
software may do with their "property".
Is there a definitive write up available. If not, would someone
like to clarify the position so that we may understand better what we
may and what we may not do with other peoples' intellectual property. I
must admit I had once imagined that I was free to use software I had
bought on any machine, I might have, provided it wasn't installed on
more than one machine at a time. But now I understand that, if I had
QPC, I would be allowed only two installations, irrespective of any
un-installations I might make or machines I might trash.
MOST COMMERCIAL PC SOFTWARE IS NOT EVEN YOURS LEGALLY. YOU
EFFECTIVELY BUY A LICENCE WHICH ALLOWS YOU TO USE THE PACKAGE (UNDER
CERTAIN RESTRICTIONS).
Thanks Martin for the info about the ATAPI driver etc. I don't
suppose you would like to do a bit for Quanta ???
Thanks also to Andrew for explaining about Spamming. Even with
snail mail, it's remarkable how many people want to share with me their
skills at self enrichment. And in return for such trivial
subscriptions, relative to the enormous gains they say I would make.
IMPORTING INTO QUILL
Last month I sent in a contribution discussing "importation" into
Quill. This was too late for inclusion in QL110 and will presumably
appear in this issue along with this contribution.
I now suspect that I may have described a means of importing basic
programs etc that does not work. If so sorry. No time to check.
Really grateful for any guidance on how best to import into Quill.
And what guidelines to give contributors. Reformatting can be quite
apain.
Best wishes
Colin B
#!
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Darren Branagh,
25th May, 1998.
QL & COMPUTER GEAR INCLUDES: One Gateway 2000 Pentium PC running
QPC (demo) and PC Xchange, A Philips Pro-286 PC running an 8 Meg
QXL 2 card, 2 QL's one JS and one Running MINERVA v1.97 (also JM
Roms), Miracle Trumpcard, Ferguson Monitor, Twin NEC 3.5" DS/DD
Drives & Twin Miracle DS/HD Drives both joined by a Miracle Disk
Adaptor (flp1_ to flp4_), 280+ Disks of Software, 3 Epson EPL4100
Laser Printers, Serial 8056 Thermal Printer, Joysticks, DIY
SERmouse, Tandata 3 stack Modem, Zenith Minisport 286 Laptop PC,
Cambridge Z88 Laptop, Sinclair ZX Spectrum 128K +2a, Sinclair
ZX81,Psion MC600 Laptop, Compaq Contura 486 Laptop.........
...........and a Partridge in a very heavy pear tree !!!
Dear Mike and Gang,
Another Crazy month for me... very little time to do anything, and
it seems set to continue for a while. I'm seldom home before 10pm
everynight and it leaves little time for QL's.....
I was missing from last months mag, sorry for the late arrival of
my contribution Mike - As I said I've been mega busy - hopefully
you can print this contribution and last months together in QL111,
if this one arrives in time!!
Anyhow, the major news from me is that I've become the chairman of
a new IT centre to be opened next month in the village nearby.
WRP, a local group (The Wicklow Rural Project) have been awarded
over 2.3 Million by the National Lottery for rural development -
and an IT centre with full internet capabilities and a scanner,
network printer and ten DELL 233Mhz Pentium II's is just one of
the new ventures. It at least means I'll have FREE Email and
Internet use!! I keep you posted...
Anyway, short and sweet from me this month - hopefuly back to
normal again next month...
I'll end with a funny :-
Guy walks into a bar with a duck on his head. The barman looks at
him in amazement then asks:
"Wow, what happened to you?"
To which the duck replies: " I don't know, I just woke up this
morning and this human was growing out of my ass!! "
NUFF SAID!!
INDEED!!!
DARREN B.
Ps. DILWYN: I absolutely LOVe the new format for QL TODAY - It
has improved no end, much better. I particularly like the little
bold print intro you do to each piece, very good.
OOOPS!!! THAT REMINDS ME, MUST RENEW MY SUBSCRIPTION....
PPs. PAUL McPHERSON - Sorry for the delay with Monitors Paul, I
have a Sanyo Colour Display Monitor which I will send you this
weekend - Promise !!
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
#! Martin Burke,
26th May, 1998.
Dear Mike and Friends,
JM version + Trump 768 + twin 3.5" disks, Philips CM8833
colour monitor (under repair) and its Tandy twin, 8056 printer,
Epson RX80 F/T, and Brother HR10 daisy-wheel printer; PSION3a,
Z88.
If the plans for dummies guides for QPAC2, etc work, we may
all shortly be singing "Things ain't what they used to be".
One "thing" I have recently acquired is a Panasonic KX-P1170
printer. Unfortunately I don't have a printer lead (36 pin) to try
it out with. Does anybody know if it is worthwhile getting one?
Yours,
Martin Burke.
#!
>From - Fri May 29 10:09:31 1998
To: Graham.Lutz@virgin.net
From: Martin Wheatley
Subject: ClubQL111 Contribution
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Martin Wheatley Flat 3, 45 Canterbury Grove London SE27 ONX
martinw@ndirect.co.uk
QL, SuperQboard, Twin Disc Drives, Green Screen Monitor
Mersey Mouse, PC running Xchange
Hi all,
This is a shorter letter than usual because I've got less to write about!
Normally I write my contribution by going through the previous
newsletter and cutting out things I want to comment on and build it from
there.
Last month unfortunately a lot of contributions got missed out leaving
me with little to respond to. Hurray say you!
Paul McPherson wrote
...............................................
And now to the question of the month: Can anyone explain why
several of Bobs PC discs will not load within just a few weeks of last
being used. They are a mixture of mediocre to high quality discs and
all present the same problem in that his PC claims there is nothing on
them, yet he knows there is. It seems to me as though they might have
been erased by a magnetic source, but they have all been carefully
stored well away from loudspeakers etc.
This is a proving to be a major problem that he, and several of
his mates, are having both at home and on their college computers, and
they have lost some irreplacable "A" level project work as a result so
it is not just his PC that is at fault. (I keep warning them to back up
their work but it's also happening to their back up discs as well).
Could this be because some PC disc drives do not produce a strong
enough magnetic field when writing to discs or am I missing something?
TRY READING THEM UNDER SMSQ(E). I CAN USUALLY READ ANYTHING IF ITS
FAINTLY THERE USING THE QL AND SMSQ/E.
..................................................
This is a question where you can't give a generalised answer that would
be any use because it depends too much on individual circumstances which
we don't know about
It may be possible to eliminate some things. For example the variety of
discs means it isn't just a bad batch of discs.
One question is. You say the discs have failed to read on more than one
machine but were they all written to on one machine? You might be able
to narrow it down to a faulty drive.
There is nothing particular to PC disc drives that differentiates them
from those used with other machines.
That leaves the environment. This is not normally a problem but there
can be exceptional circumstances. When I used to work for the Railways
the building I was on was on a platform with trains going close by and
we constantly got corrupted floppies. One possible problem could be
if the computer is close to an industrial 3 phase electrical supply
which carry much higher voltages than the standard mains cables. The
solution would be to move the computer.
There has been some past discussion about QL emulators for the PC.
There is a new one which could be the best yet called Q-Emulator. It
is a Windows95 prog only.
It has just gone from the trial stage to being a full product and is
available for download from the Internet as a shareware product.
For those unfamiliar with the concept - you get to try the prog first
and then pay if you want to keep it. In this instance the trial
period is only 3 days and then the prog cuts out.
The snag is that paying for it is difficult. The guy who wrote it
is Italian and for some reason he has registered the shareware with
a collection company in the US. This means you have to pay $40 in US
funds. It can paid by a UK credit card but this gives Uk buyers
a hefty premium on the price once everyone has added their currency
changing fees. I've writen to the writer to try to persuade him to
set up some means for people to pay in UK funds but he hasn't yet
figured one out - if he goes to a UK QL dealer they will want to take
their profit and he isn't going to make much out of it. Since the
actual software is coming from the Internet all he would want them
to do is change money and I guess he feels he doesn't want to give
them too much of a cut for doing that
Maybe he should wait a couple of years and we can all pay by Euro!
I MUST ADMIT, I HAVE DOWNLOADED THE DEMO VERSIONS IN THE PAST, AND THEY
ALL WORKED QUITE SOLIDLY IN THEIR OWN WIN95 WINDOW. THEY DID HOWEVER
HAVE A LOT OF THE NEWER FEATURES MISSING, SUCH AS BEING ABLE TO RUN
SMSQ/E, AND USING EXTENDED RESOLUTIONS. ARE THESE FEATURES NOW AVAILABLE
??
Martin Wheatley
Andrew Halliwell,
e-mail:- u5a77@teach.cs.keele.ac.uk
u5a77@elfs1.elec.keele.ac.uk (Although, for how long, I don't know)
u5a77@uga.keele.ac.uk spike1@cyberspace.org
clubql@geocities.com >*phew*<
Gear:- Supergold card QL with various pointer thingies, Qubide
1.55 ROM, TKII (of course), 40 Meg Hard Drive (Now a slave) and now...
a 250Meg quantum 3.5" harddrive as master, twin
floppies (One DD and one HD as FLP2_ and FLP3_) Minerva 1.97, 24 Pin Dot
Matrix Printer... And loads of little toys I download off the
internet...
(Including Qascade, which is nice...)
Well... It's that time again. Hope I'm not late.....
First, the news...
Well, as you can see from my kit list, I've upgraded slightly. I now have a
hard drive that's 1/4 the size of my old one, but has over 5 times the
capacity. No need to worry about running out of space again for a while.
(I only had about 1Meg left on the 40Meg one).
I'm in the process of making my Qascade look quite snazzy, to the point of
getting rid of all the other button frames in QPAC, and having just the
Qascade button.
HAS ANYONE DARED TO LABEL THEIR QASCADE BUTTON 'START' YET !!!
On a less (well, none actually) computer related front, in a couple of weeks
I'll be off to Cornwall for a two week army camp. (Panhale near Newkey).
This will (assuming I survive) make me another 300+ quid richer, get rid of
my overdraft, and make it even more likely I'll be getting a Goldfire
card, and maybe even Aurora.... I WANT ONE! I WANT ONE!I WANT ONE!I WANT
ONE!!!
My bounty at the beginning of April didn't end up being 250 quid in the end
after all.... . It was actually 300....
And, as of September, I'll be changing my e-mail .sig file, because I'll no
longer be doing electronics >*YAY*<. Single Honours Computer Science, here I
come...
Anyway, on with the show. As last months entry was actually for the previous
month due to a boo boo, I'll start by answering QL109...
Mike: I found it rather strange that you decided to edit out all the address
info last month as well. I'd be extremly disappointed in you if you haven't
even looked at the Clubql web page....
Anyway, one thing that did spring to mind in this is....
In order to make it easier for me to edit, could people put their name on
one line, the info that's to be removed for the web page on a seperate line,
and e-mail addresses on another line. (Or any similar way, keeping the
sensitive info seperate...)
e.g.
Joe Bloggs
26 bibbleberry ave
wibbleford
dorsetshire
wb3 bb4
1038765 555 5555
bibbler@wibble.co.uk
It doesn't matter WHERE horizontally the info is, just as long as it's all
on a separate line. (It makes it much easier to block delete).
Now on to the next bit...
Mike said....
"WELL HOW ABOUT THAT!AFTER EVERYONE SAYING THE QL CANNOT GET A
VIRUS,GUESS WHO MAY HAVE ONE?WELL NOT THE QL PER SE,BUT THE QXL
CARD,APPARENTLY A VIRUS CAN INFECT THE CARD THROUGH THE QXL.BIN FILE ON
THE PC,BECAUSE IT IS BOTH A QL AND A PC FILE AND BECAUSE IT IS A PC/QL
FILE IT IS LOOKED UPON BY A VIRUS SCANNER AS A QL FILE AND THEREFORE A
'FOREIGN'FILE AND IT IGNORES IT!"
Mike... The QL *CAN'T* get a virus. The QXL is a PC with add-ons, and
therefore, is still vulnerable. No-one has ever written a virus for the QL,
and I can't think of any way one would work.
Mike then went on to say...
"IT HAS GOT TO THE STAGE THIS WEEK WHERE I WOULD QUITE HAPPILY
THROW THIS MACHINE THROUGH THE WINDOW,IF DOUBLE GLAZING WASN'T SO
EXPENSIVE!"
It might help if you opened the window first...
Bill Waugh asked....
"Would someone like to tell me a bit more than I know about
this email stuff - how do you send attatchments and what can you
put in these attachments - how do you get onto the qlusers mailing
list I have been trying for some time but had little luck, haveing
said that the last email I sent got posted but I have had no reply
- I sent the message to qlusers-@nvg.ntnu.no with the subject
"subscribe" and a short message saying I would like to be placed
on the list."
Right... Here goes...
E-mail is a 7 bit ASCII transfer protocol. (Or to put that in English, the
only things that can be sent through e-mail are the standard Alphanumeric
characters (Upper and Lower case), punctuation, and control characters.
Anything with character values above 127 will not send correctly, and will
most likely appear as junk.
This is where attachments come in.
Many e-mail programs can do this quite easily, just by clicking on a menu
item called "Attachments", and specifying the filename to be attached.
What this does is copy the file, and process it in such a way that it is
transformed into something that appears to be pure text gibberrish.
This is then added to the end of the e-mail, a line is added to the e-mail
header telling the receiving e-mail program to expect an attachment, and the
e-mail is sent.
This is the nice, fluffy way of doing it. However, some e-mailers are better
than others in this respect. (One of the e-mailers I've used just does not
LIKE ZIP files for example, which is why Mike sometimes has trouble with
stuff I send him.... I think....)
Now, the e-mailer I normally use is called ELM. It has attachment decoding
abilities (via a program called Metamail available for the QL as part of
MIMETOOLS), but it doesn't have the ability to attach files on for sending.
My normal preferred method is to uuencode a file, which can be added
manually to the end of an e-mail and then uudecoded at the other end.
Alas, Mike has trouble with this as well... I'm not even sure if he has UUD.
(The C68 UUDecoding program)
As for the ql-users mailing list. You were doing it wrong. That is the
address you send thing that are to APPEAR on the list. The list itself is
managed by a listserver program called Majordomo. You send commands to the
program, which then carries them out. Then you can send messages to the
list.
Also, even if you'd got the address right, which is
majordomo@nvg.ntnu.no,
you were still doing it wrong.
The subject line is not used to pass commands. That can in fact be left
blank. You issue commands in the body of the message...
Like this....
-------------------- BODY TEXT OF MESSAGE ---------------------
subscribe ql-users
end
Finally, in response to his query about Floppies. I don't think so. The
twist technique appears to work fine for PCs, but it doesn't want to work
for me either. I've just bought a HD drive (Only cost me 7 quid), and now
I'm stuck with FLP2_ and FLP3_. I can't get the old one and the new one to
work on the same cable.
Mike Dodd... Subdirectories...
This one should be pretty easy to explain.
On your average floppy disk, you have a lot of files. Many of them might be
related, but as the disk is so small, structure and tidyness doesn't really
matter. You can see exactly what's on the disk with a simple DIR FLP1_.
With larger disks, like ED or Hard disks, this can be VERY messy.
This is where subdirectories come in....
Subdirectories are a way of placing a "Tree" on your disk. The main part of
the disk (i.e. WIN1_) can be called the "ROOT" directory. A lot of files may
exist in this directory, but also, other directories may. These other
directories can be envisioned as branches springing from the root. (Or roots
sprouting from the root stock).
As an example, this is vaguely what my WIN2_ root directory looks like.
C ->
Docs ->
Emul ->
Ghost ->
lx ->
There an no idividual files in my WIN2_ directory, only subdirectories.
This keeps things very neat and tidy.
Now, if I were to look at my C directory (DIR WIN2_C_), I would see a LOT of
files, and a few subdirectories.... Similar to this...
C_INCLUDE ->
C_LIB ->
C_CC
C_CPP
C_AS68
C_C68
C_C68Menu
Again, the first 2 files are actually subdirectories denoted by the '->'
marker. These contain still more files, hidden away unless I actually want
to see them.
As to your EDIT and AUTO problems... Why use them at all...
TK2 has a wonderfull little editor called by typing ED .
This is much nicer than EDIT or AUTO. In fact, I can't remember using EDIT
once since I got my first Trump card in 1989.
DITTO!!
Malcolm Roberts was saying that his disk drive doesn't want to work
properly. My recommendation would be to get another one. They really are 10
a penny nowadays... (OK, one a fiver, but you know what I mean).
And now... QL110.
Dilwyn said...
"This has given me another idea. On a QL, the network socket
can be accessed by directly accessing a hardware address somewhere
in memory. I wonder if it would be possible to write software to
look at what's coming in here and to write out to it - result
could be that the QL could listen to what was coming in to the
otherwise idle network socket (speech recognition? audio
recording?) and play out sampled audio to an amplifier and speaker
connected to the network socket allowing the computer to play back
sampled sounds, for example? We'd probably find that we couldn't
get a high enough sample rate for good quality audio. I get the
impression that this is such a wonderfully simple and obvious idea
that if it was possible, it would have been done by now?"
On the spectrum, it was relatively simple to access. (Just a simple use of
the IN instruction).
The problem is... HOW exactly *IS* the network port accessed? It must be
possible to do something with it, because it is used in the Ergon spectrum
emulators to produce sound. (And I believe that in the registered versions,
there's a program that allows direct TAPE to NET loading of Spectrum games.
Also, as the QL is a lot faster than the Speccy, I think a respectable sample
rate could be achievable.
Now the BIG problem... Does the network port actually have more than one
BIT of sampling capability? Sound sampled is after all subject to severe
distortion, which can be minimised by using more levels of "quantisation".
(In english, this means that an 8 bit convertor can see 256 different
"levels" of voltage. With only one bit, you would only see two levels.
On or Off...
One final problem.... Is the network one of the peices of hardware covered
by the 8049 co-processor? If this is the case, then youy'd have to know what
instructions to send to that, and that would SERIOUSLY affect speed.
I've looked at the system variables, and I have no idea what the address
is. I'll have a dig though my files. I'm sure I've seen something....
(Just checked... It's gone. Looks like I deleted it... DAMN! Maybe Tim
Swenson can help???)
Well... As last months was rather short due to a boo boo, I'll call it
quits there...
Next month, I *should* have something on using Mtools (wot was included last
month), and I might do something on QASCADE as well...
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Hi Graham and everyone
Many thanks to those who anwered my last request for info about
attachments, I regret I have not had time to look into these any further
due to work commitments.
I enjoyed the Selston workshop and meeting some of you, I probably met
more of you than I know.
I would have liked to have stayed a bit longer (by the bar at night) but
the present Mrs Waugh was beginning to show signs of technofatigue so we
went back to the hotel.(chivalry has its price)
Interesting talks at Seston, Ron Dunnet was quite brave I thought
(stateing that they are aiming for a price of around 150 for
Goldfire).
I will have one at that price, if I can still afford it after the next
couple of weeks when my car comes back from the garage, I drove (slowly)
into a flooded road and the engine stopped, this I thought was strange
as the car is a deisel and I have driven through deeper water, it turns
out that the narrowness of the road had caused a wave to bounce back
from the stone wall(dyke we call them up here) and sloshed some water up
into the air intake.
I managed to get the car home and going but there is lots of white smoke
erupting from the exhaust, seems it may have damaged the cylinder head,
it will be more expensive to put right than a computer head crash thats
for sure.
But enough of my worries.
Glad that QLusers list has at last found something other than Deadlocks
to talk about, the subject meant about as much to me as Dreadlocks, but
interesting to many no doubt, I suppose the good thing about this
newsletter is that it all comes at once and we dont spend lots of money
on downloading email that is not of particular interest, speaking of
email I had quite a lot of stuff about Pc graphics that I did not ask
for, after about the fourth I sent an email back asking for payment of
phone charges for recieving their mail, I dont know if this has worked
yet but live in hope.
I have been trying with no joy to change the name of a linedesign
driver, the name is embedded in the code of the driver.
I have tried the Editor, QD9 and Master spy with out any luck, joacham
Progs has told me I need to make sure the file is saved back as type 7.
This is part of the problem i think as I seem to be able to save it as
type 0 or 1 but not 7.
In case your wondering why I want to change the name of the driver it is
so that I can configure the same driver to use both A4 and A5 paper and
then save the A5 one with a different name ( Epson styluscolour to Epson
A5yluscolour).
Proforma wont allow the addition of another printer driver if a driver
with the same name already is loaded.
Any advice would be welcome chaps.
AHA, I'VE HAD THIS BEFORE. THE EPSON 360DPI DRIVER IN THE LATEST
LINEDESIGN SUFFERS FROM THE SAME FEATURE AS THE OLD ONE, I.E. IT DOESN'T
WORK WITH ALL EPSON COMPATIBLE PRINTERS (NAMELY MY CANONS). I INITIALLY
HACKED THE FILE TO CHANGE THE 2 BYTES WHICH CAUSE THE PROBLEM, BUT COULD
NOT GET IT TO LOAD. THE ONLY DIFFERENCE I COULD SEE BETWEEN MY AMENDED
AND THE ORIGINAL FILE WAS THE FILE TYPE, WHICH WAS REPORTED AS TYPE 1
FOR MY AMENDED FILE, AND TYPE 0 FOR THE ORIGINAL. CHANGEING THE FILE
TYPE OF THE AMENDED FILE TO TYPE 0 CURED THE PROBLEM.
Now for something completely different, I see that Janeway women is
back, still lost though, you have to wonder how on earth she ever got in
charge of that ship, Kirk and Picard might have had there faults but
they never got lost for long, always back on course by the next episode.
This woman has been flying in circles along a terrestial M25 for nearly
two of our earth years, and the crew she has leaves a lot to be desired.
Chickatay - a disposessed apache or something, no sense of fun, plays
with a couple of coloured stones (wel I soppose a rain dance is a bit
pointles in space), Ryker would have the shirt of him in a game of
poker.
Toovok - a black Vulcan (see Enoch was right)
A female Klingon !! - are the men not bad enough
A Doctor with more attitude than the Klingon.
Nelix - now he is good, feeds the crew of several thousand from a couple
of cauldrons on gas rings, so what happend to the replicators, Janeway
probably lost them somewhere.
Last but certainly not least the Borg - Seven of nine - now thats what I
call a body, she can stun me with here phaser anytime, hey "you will be
assimulated" yes please wheres's the problem..
Yep Seven of nine or Dax, either could tear me away from a keyboard.
Well time to go - warp five Ensign Crusher - make it so
Bye All
Bill Waugh
For Dilwyn Bill@WaughQl.Demon.co.uk
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Bill Waugh
!##!
Colin.Murphy@virgin.net
London
My gear includes :- A PC ?
Hi guys and gals, remember me?
I know it's been a long time since I last wrote to ClubQL, pressures of
time management between work and home have put to temporary rest lots of
my hobbies, and the lack of a QL compatible has put paid to Qling in
particular.
My QL (if you can call a Pandora92d SuperGold Card, Aurora, Minerva and
SuperHERMES setup a QL still) died last autumn. I felt the hard disk was
starting to fail, so I was very keen to arrange for a back-up. My keeness
slipped to recklessness when I tried some desperate means to connect my
270MB Syquest up to do the job. It all went horribly wrong from there ?
I now, for my sins, am writing this on a PC, which, for most of its time is
running Windows95. Err, sorry! I have to admit that as I write I have no
idea how I'm actually going to get this Word document through my email
programme or what it will look like by the time Graham gets to see it.
The sad emoticon face that I did at the end of the last paragraph turned
itself into a single sad emoticon symbol.
I look forward to finding out what it will look like once it goes through
the rigmarole of getting it into ClubQL. Update - Having looked at my
document in Notepad, the nearest I get to a text editor in Windows,
I see all my emoticons have disappeared, to be replaced by humble question
marks. Maybe this goea a long way to explain all of Micro$ofts literature,
it's been typed in with a smiley at the end ;-)))
I am still interested in the comings and goings of QL life. I take the QL
mailing list that keeps me up to date on most things.
I have also been taking ClubQL via Email, so I know that the faith is being
maintained, in good hands.
I am looking forward to getting uQLx running so that I have access to a QL
compatible, but the going is slow. I will be running uQLx under the Linux
operating system, which I have running on my system. Much of my computer
time is used up be me trying to get to know Linux better, and there is so
much to know. I enjoy the learning, and it remindes me of much of my
time with the QL, the struggles and frustrations.
I have failed totally to get uQLx to compile, lots of error messages and
not enough understanding for me to fix. I suspect that I may not have all
of the C libraries installed or that those that I do have aren't
quite compatible. Has anyone else set up uQLx under Linux? I am using
a RedHat 5.0 distribution.
********************
Last month Mike K said
THE MAIN THING IS THAT NEXT MONTH I SHALL BE AWAY SO ONCE AGAIN
GRAHAM LUTZ IS STEPPING INTO THE BREACH,YOU ALL HAVE BOTH HIS ADDRESS
AND HIS E-MAIL ADDRESS SO ALL MAIL SHOULD GO TO HIM FOR NEXT MONTHS ISSUE.
I'm sure that I will be able to found out Grahams' email
address, but a new correspondent would not.
The could easily get disheartened should there first message go astray
for a month. Has anyone considered using one of the free email providers
like 'bigfoor.com' or 'dejanews.com'. These people allow you to register
an email address of your choosing, 'ClubQL@bigfoot.com' for example. You
can then have all the mail which arrives for this address forwarded to
another address of your choosing, again, for free. The neat thing is, you
can change this forwarding address as much as you want, so,
Mike, should you be going away on holiday, all you do is change the
forwarding address to that of whoever is deputising for you. If you think
it's a good idea, take a look at http://www.bigfoot.com or
http://www.dejanews.com.
********************
Has no one else suffered the problem of transplanting a QL hard disk, of
QubIDE format, into a system of other hardware like a PC with QXL or ,
like me, uQLx. There appears to be no software that would allow me to
read a QL hard disk directly. I no longer have access to QL hardware,
so I can not network the two machines together. Has anyone any idea how
I'm going to get all my QL data back?
*******************
Speak soon, Colin Murphy.
!##!
Email : dilwyn.jones@bbc.co.uk
dilwyn.jones@dj.softnet.co.uk
GEAR: JM/Minerva QL+Gold Card+ED drives; Aurora, Super Gold
Card v2.49, Qubide 1.37, 420MB Conner Hard disk, ED and DD drives,
HP Deskjet 320; Amstrad ALT286+QXL+Zoom modem+Canon BJ10sx; P90
Black PC and QPC;Toshiba T2100 486DX2/66 with QPC.
At last, the back issues scheme is up and running. With this
issue you should find a plain text file called ISSUES_TXT which
lists what's currently available. You'll notice that there are
some gaps, so if anyone has the missing disks, please get in touch
so that we can make the collection complete.
To obtain back issues, just send me a disk for each issue
required, with return postage (UK) or International Reply Coupons
(elsewhere). I can handle 3.5 inch DD, HD or ED disks, and also
5.25 inch 80 track disks.
The 18 disks of Club QL software mentioned in the ISSUES_TXT
file are program files from issues 1 to 60, which have not yet
been fully sorted. This will be done as I get time to read through
all the issues to work out what belongs where! Alternatively, if
anyone knows or has complete copies of these disks please get in
touch with me.
You'll see I can also supply back issues of QL Hackers Journal disk
based QL magazine (all issues).
I've included a program for you all with this issue, assuming
Graham and Mike have space on the disk. Graphics Viewer is a
little pointer driven viwing program for QL graphics files. Full
instructions in GV_DOC on the disk. The program needs pointer
environment, toolkit 2, and MENU_REXT (from QMenu or The Menu
Extension, also supplied with several commercial programs). In
addition to most QL formats, it will also view monochrome PCX and
IMG files from the PC and Atari ST.
Dilwyn Jones
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For QL-International
Ian Pizer
e-mail 100675.632@compuserve.com
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My Gear: AURORA, SGC v2.49, Minerva v1.97, SuperHermes v1.05, QPAC2 v1.38
SMSQ_GOLD v2.85. 2 key mouse via QIMI. 2 DD/HD/ED drives.
QUBIDE v1.56, 2 Hard Disks (Connors 420MB, Seagate500?MB).
All in a Mini-Tower. Soon with Romdisq.
EPSON Stylus 800 BW Printer. ZyXEL U-1496E modem.
Sony monitor Multiscan 200sf. And a PC.
Hi all,
Here is my PC problem: When using DIR in MS-DOS I prefer to first
use the command SET DIRCMD/OEN /P before doing DIR. So I think
great, I put that in AUTOEXEC.BAT and it will already be set when
I start with windows and go to MS-DOS. But NO, that does not work!
Here is AUTOEXEC.BAT :
SET BLASTERA220 I5 D1 H1 P330 T6
SET LMOUSEC:\MOUSE
SET TMPC:\WIN95\TEMP
SET winbootdirC:\WIN95
SET PATHC:\WIN95;C:\WIN95\COMMAND;C:\DOS
SET TEMPC:\DOS
C:WIN95\SMARTDRV.EXE
C:\QPC\MOUSE.COM
SET DIRCMD/OEN /P
PC Experts, any ideas?
I admit that for important work like e-mail and Bulletin boards, etc.
I am much happier with AURORA and continue to use that as my principal
workhorse. Having and learning a PC allows use of CD-ROMs and connection
with the Internet.
Cheers, Ian Pizer
IAN ALSO SENT IN THIS QUESTION. ANY ANSWERS ????
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Ian Pizer
e-mail 100675.632@compuserve.com
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Hi to all who read this!
I wonder if there is somebody who uses SCRIPTING with QTPI?
I go a little way in using script but not enough to justify its
application. I call up my e-mail server (compuserve) quite often so
I would like that to happen more or less automatically. That means:
call the number, recognise the messages sent back and do the necessary
until I get to reading messages. Here is an example of what happens:
++ QTPI Review log opened 1998 May 28 18:50:20
AT&D0m3dt7389740 ; I choose the phone number in the phone book
RINGING ; this can be ignored, or checked to see if contains
CONNECT
CONNECT 38400/V32b 14400/V42b/SREJ ; This must be recognised and so
send CR ENTER chr$(13)
0020GNA ; can be ignored or check if Host Name
Host Name: CIS ; they send Host Name: I must reply "CIS"
User ID: 100675,632/NOINT ; ditto for User ID
Password: ; ditto for pass
; the next is further down (go mail)
CompuServe Information Service
18:51 CEST Thursday 28-May-1998 P
Last access: 13:03 28-May-98
Copyright (c) 1998
CompuServe Incorporated
All Rights Reserved
GO RATES for new pricing information
CompuServe Aktuell(FREE) GERNEW
COMPUSERVE AKTUELL
1 Business Consulting - jetzt und hier
2 Web-Publishing fur Profis
3 Wer wird Weltmeister?
4 Monster Trucks...
5 Be in control
6 Grose Geschenk-Aktion
AKTUELLES WELTWEIT
7 Grosbritannien Aktuell
8 Frankreich Aktuell
9 Aktuelles weltweit
Enter choice ! go mail ; I need to send "go mail"
I would like all that to happen automatically. I have read the manual
and see several script programs and I can choose the phone number
but have not succeeded in recognising text sent. HELP!
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