Bondage (7/99)

7/99 ? AJSpans_light says, "first would like to say welcome..to the first Insomniac group meeting......was hoping more will come..but with any first...it is usually like this.."
? AJSpans_light says, "We have a birtday board on the calender.so if you give me your B-day or put it up yourself...A/all can wish you a Happy B-day if on your day...also you can put any special events...ect..."
MajicaL_SLYhawk smiles
MajicaL_SLYhawk says, "They fell asleep"
MajicaL_SLYhawk says, "not true insomniacs"
sub_dude32 says, "i'm still here"
? AJSpans_light says, "ok..to start...BONDAGE..woo hoo....one of the most Dangerous yet exotic forms of BDSM..many accidents happen due to ignorance in bondage...so i open up to the floor bondage........."
? AJSpans_light says, "bondage...can be a sensual...way to control and dominate...can be through absolute pleasure or through pain......."
MajicaL_SLYhawk says, "What is the expereince expected from bondage?"
? AJSpans_light says, "well for the Master....the experience of turning the sub into a work of art to control every aspect knowing the sub is at there whim"
MajicaL_SLYhawk says, "and the sub?"
? AJSpans_light says, "for the sub.....knowing that they are indeed giving up control...can be teased tormented....tortrued......feelings, sensations......are highten..."
? AJSpans_light says, "*looks to THT who seems to be so opinionated.....You as the Bondage Master how do you feel. as the tier?"
ZombieOfTHT listens
? AJSpans_light says, "*giggles*..what a night.."
? AJSpans_light says, "ok..."
MajicaL_SLYhawk says, "So the whole exercise is one of control and power?"
? AJSpans_light says, "among other things Majical....there is a big trust factor...patience timing and care.."
MajicaL_SLYhawk says, "or delight through pain and torture"
? AJSpans_light says, "meaning bondage isnt somtiong you tie up a person in 5 min..then "fuck them all night"...."
MajicaL_SLYhawk says, "Ohhh"
MajicaL_SLYhawk says, "how interesting"
? AJSpans_light says, "a full body Karada..can take as long as an hour to preform....each intricate pattern design..knot...each a signiture and individual work of art that the bondage master does upon the sub"
MajicaL_SLYhawk says, "Does it mean you poor hot wax on them to see how long they can take it before they have to yell out there safe word."
? AJSpans_light says, "and it most certainly isnt something for amatures....i mean many times you will find people who say. they love to tie up..yet have no clue as to safty procautions...even how to tie a knot"
? AJSpans_light says, "no...not nessesaritly..."
ZombieOfTHT holds his tongue
MajicaL_SLYhawk says, "So its only for boyscouts and girl guides then."
? AJSpans_light says, "THT..please Speak your mind..without starting the worthy unwhorty stuff.."
? AJSpans_light says, "exactly..bondage can be for anyone..as long as they know what the hell they are doing.."
ZombieOfTHT says, "No ...... I dont want to ruin things ..... please just go on without me"
? AJSpans_light says, "THT..if there is anyone here You know this stuff more then me..remember i am the amature who even makes you laugh......if you disagree with me please say it"
ZombieOfTHT is gonna regret this
MajicaL_SLYhawk listens
? AJSpans_light says, "THT..speak if you have to..ther are only 4 of us here....talk..we are friends not your enemies..*smiles*"
ZombieOfTHT says, "Just in addation to your saying "dosent know safety or how to tie a knot" I would also add not knowing what kind of rope to select to that list as well"
? AJSpans_light says, "your right..for there are so many different types that i know you can name......many dont even know that there are that many kinds of rope out there"
? AJSpans_light says, "*smacks THT out of my PM box*...Talk within the room..You know this stuff not me.."
ZombieOfTHT has said his peace ..... please go on
? AJSpans_light says, "very well...."
ZombieOfTHT listens
? AJSpans_light says, "Ok....well here is a thought....a common misconception is that only Men are the tiers..and females well they should be the tieess....well i know i like to bind...*smiles*"
? AJSpans_light says, "and learning how to do so.."
? AJSpans_light says, "any opinions on that?"
? AJSpans_light says, "I am not saying that there is no such thing as female Bondage Masters...just that not common"
? AJSpans_light says, "greetings gem..*smiles*..welcome..nice to see you sis"
? AJSpans_light says, ".o0(feels like i am drowning here)"
hiddengemfor1 says, "morning sis,,am so happy i made it,,well sorta,,am just getting home,,have i missed much?"
? AJSpans_light says, "Ok...open the floor..any questions comments concerns?"
? AJSpans_light says, "no gem..we just started..lol...but having a little trouble keeping the flow...."
? AJSpans_light says, "which have to admit..this is a first.."
hiddengemfor1 says, "chuckles,,"
? AJSpans_light says, "ok...THT...i know you have a lot on your mind..please say something.."
sub_dude32 says, "i like to be bound....as a person who usually has a strength advantage over a domme...it gives me a chance to feel a litttle more on the edge"
ZombieOfTHT listens
MajicaL_SLYhawk says, "on the edge of what?"
honeyy_y enters ? AJSpans_light says, "greetings honeyy..welcome.."
honeyy_y says, "greetings, A/all"
MajicaL_SLYhawk says, "hiya honey"
honeyy_y says, "hello SLYLhawk, Sir"
honeyy_y says, "hello light"
sub_dude32 says, "i dunno i really feel within their control"
hiddengemfor1 says, "oh geeze forgot that part morning A/all"
? AJSpans_light says, "exactly dude..for it can highten sensations..and send you over the edge to that "sub space"..depending one what the Dom/mes does..."
MajicaL_SLYhawk says, "So what do you get from that relinquishing of control?"
sub_dude32 says, "freedom"
MajicaL_SLYhawk says, "hiya gem"
Berus_nearly_wild enters MajicaL_SLYhawk says, "freedom from resposibility?"
MajicaL_SLYhawk says, "hiya wild"
? AJSpans_light says, "good point dude..*smiles*..freedom of your emotions..freedome to go all the way....."
honeyy_y says, "hiya wild"
hiddengemfor1 says, "from everything,,,"
? AJSpans_light says, "greetinsg wild..nice to see you again sis.."
Berus_nearly_wild says, "greetings A/all"
hiddengemfor1 says, "morning wild"
sub_dude32 says, "freedom to live exactly in the moment..to not worry about what the next move is"
MajicaL_SLYhawk says, "Of responsib
ility then."
sub_dude32 says, "i guess yes" Berus_nearly_wild says, "smiles around the room,,,,moving quietly to the back"
MajicaL_SLYhawk says, "So what sense of elation is gotten from being that one who binds THT?"
ZombieOfTHT listens
? AJSpans_light says, "well that leads into an interesting thing dude...is that when a sub goes into "sub space" especially when bound.....they cant feel pain, cant feel anything...and that is how accidents can happen..for there can be cut circulation, or a slippage of the knot....ect....and that is why it is up to the Dom/mes for in bondage..thsi is the one act where the sub really has no control when bound...even if there is safe word or action"
Berus_nearly_wild says, "will brb,,,,afk"
MajicaL_SLYhawk says, "Interesting answer"
? AJSpans_light says, "well Majical ...if i may..although i would never consider myself a bondage Master..but this is what i get from binding others.."
MajicaL_SLYhawk listens
MajicaL_SLYhawk says, "What?"
? AJSpans_light says, "to utterly have the person under your control...carefully tie up the person..constantly checking rechecking..slowly and carefully....to make sure that you do not hurt or injure....and to see how that person can be utterly in your control..then when it is over...removing the binds..has that delicate intricate patterns in the skin..of where you left your rope.."
? AJSpans_light says, "just to feel the rope..i mean..i like my soft nylon rope..which makes a wonderful indentation within the skin..."
MajicaL_SLYhawk says, "Then when what is over?"
? AJSpans_light says, "when the scene is over or what ever you do....for even the lightest binds is going to mark...think of it when you lean agains a counter or something..you get the inditation in the skin"
MajicaL_SLYhawk says, "You just tie somebody up then untie and thats it?"
? AJSpans_light says, "well in bondage you are going to get the indintation of where the rope is.."
? AJSpans_light says, "no..."
? AJSpans_light says, "tie them up..then please them...explore the body..torment..please touch..be sensual or be sadistic..what ever your kink is.."
? AJSpans_light says, "although with me...only tie up..for i am just learning and have had friends willing for me to tie them up then remove it....but in BDSM scene it can be the most erotic form"
? AJSpans_light says, ".o0(wonders why am i giving all the answers)....THT..what is your opinon on this"
ZombieOfTHT listens
? AJSpans_light says, "thanks alot THT..i dont even know if i am full of shit or not..*smiles*...<--just an amature"
? AJSpans_light says, "how about anyone else in PM land...any questions comments or concerns..or shall i talk about my non scening just tieing up experience?"
sub_dude32 says, "you go girl"
? AJSpans_light says, "*giggles*.thanks alot dude..."
hiddengemfor1 says, "light i am just now slowly moving into this area,,,so have not very much to offer,,however your postings made alot of sense"
? AJSpans_light says, "gem..was hoping..would get more who can share..for gem..i just started bondage maybe 4-5 weeks ago...trust me i am new.."
? AJSpans_light says, "*giggles*..but have to say it is fascinating..and it can really enhance a scene..although i will admit i have never scened as the tier....but have practiced so to speak"
? AJSpans_light says, "i mean think of the person you are tying..they are basically at your whim..for a the Binder cna do anything they want........and the sub gives up everything...."
hiddengemfor1 says, "chuckles have used rope most of my teen and adult life,,,tying calves mind you but has always entranced me"
? AJSpans_light says, "rodeos?"
hiddengemfor1 says, "i know that is why i am moving towards this area,,,"
MajicaL_SLYhawk says, "So do most who involve themselves in this choose to be tiers or tiees or do they often switch??"
hiddengemfor1 says, "yes and the ranch"
? AJSpans_light says, "in my opinion..thinks the Bondage Masters...stay as Bondage Masters......although..then may not be Masters in a sense as say you or i would know.....many times...the ones they bind may not even be a sub...."
honeyy_y says, "is roaming a bit tonight.....*smiles. be well A/all"
? AJSpans_light says, "although i have talked to many bondage Masters who have said..if one knows the practice..and the art..they would allow themsleves to be tied"
Berus_nearly_wild says, "is back and catching up on scroll"
Berus_nearly_wild says, "bw honeyy"
? AJSpans_light says, "be well honeey..thanks for stopping by....."
honeyy_y leaves ? AJSpans_light says, "*smiles*..o0(still feels like i am sinking tonight)"
MajicaL_SLYhawk says, "How would one know what it trully is to tie if they have never been tied?"
hiddengemfor1 says, "(am sorry sis i can not be of more help)"
? AJSpans_light says, "dont worry gem....thinks many are just listning to me ramble.."
hiddengemfor1 says, "i know i am,,and learning from it"
hiddengemfor1 says, "smiles"
Berus_nearly_wild says, "smiles having caught up"
? AJSpans_light says, "good point..but a Bondage Master knows the precautions...knows the rules...knows what to look for..and what could happen..they are familiar with what areas are weak spots..danger points...and they take great care and concern for whom they are tying"
Berus_nearly_wild says, "yes light care should always be given"
? AJSpans_light says, "these are genuine bondage masters i am tlaking about..not someong who says..HEY I like to tie You up and fuck you all night..are you game?"
Berus_nearly_wild says, "smiles,,,,,,,tease and please"
hiddengemfor1 says, "chuckles(has heard that line before)"
Berus_nearly_wild says, "yes owns that copywrite,,,,lol"
? AJSpans_light says, "heard it too many times gem...lol"
ZombieOfTHT is away ZombieOfTHT is back. ZombieOfTHT listens
? AJSpans_light says, "THT..please..i am dying to hear what you have to say....."
? AJSpans_light says, "STOP listening..talk.."
ZombieOfTHT says, "AJSpans_light ------ A word with you in PM?"
? AJSpans_light says, "You gave a lecture on this last week..cant you add some input.."
? AJSpans_light says, "sure PM me..but i am still going to be talking here as well"
? AJSpans_light says, "any questions comment conserns anything so far?"
? AJSpans_light says, "because i feel like tonight i drowned.."
Berus_nearly_wild says, "is still catching up to the conversation"
sub_dude32 says, "you've done fine..."
sub_dude32 says, "i know i've been tied to my screen" ? AJSpans_light says, "*looks to THT who has an opinion...*"
Berus_nearly_wild says, "smiles to dewd"
ZombieOfTHT is done in PM land
Berus_nearly_wild says, "hey dewd,,,,,I finally am in a room where i hav not been called Berus"
Berus_nearly_wild says, "smiles"
? AJSpans_light says, "well dude..that is one of the many problems with self bondage..is that you are in control....you truly cant give up the control if you are in control..of the knot"
ZombieOfTHT says, "Ok ..... didnt quite last the full hour but what the hey? We started off scedual also"
ZombieOfTHT says, "First up ...... what do dom / sub respectivily get out of the bondage experince"
? AJSpans_light says, "THT a normal night usually goes on for about 3 hours..but *listens*"
Berus_nearly_wild says, "smiles,,,,enjoys the weds night dev"
hiddengemfor1 says, "listens pen in hand"
Berus_nearly_wild says, "curses"
MajicaL_SLYhawk says, "Well this topic presupposes some knowledge on this subject."
ZombieOfTHT says, "As dom its simpler for me to talk about what I get from it ..... for me its a visiual thing. I have alwasy been kind of voueristic and this just takes it a step further"
MajicaL_SLYhawk listens
Berus_nearly_wild says, "I like being tied up,,,relinquishing the control that way"
ZombieOfTHT says, "There is a strange fealing of pride/acomplishement ..... to step back away from them and say to yourself "I did that" ....."
? AJSpans_light says, "*smiles at THT...*listens*"
hiddengemfor1 says, "so it is the art form of the tie and knot,,that in some way gives pleasure to the Dom/mes?"
ZombieOfTHT says, "and to have them displayed as well. A combination of the beauty of their flesh merged with the beauty of the detailed ropework ..... much the same way an artist would feel pride having his masterpiece displayed in a gallary for all to see"
hiddengemfor1 says, "smiles question answered"
ZombieOfTHT says, "As for subs ..... I cant realy speek from first hand experince but I will attempt to answer that as well"
MajicaL_SLYhawk listens
ZombieOfTHT says, "There is a very percise "headspace" that bondage brings about. There in an endorphin high and the brain starts putting out alpha waves. Its a condition a lot like "runners high" if you have done any marathon running or it also can be compared to "highway hypnosis""
Berus_nearly_wild says, "listens also"
ZombieOfTHT says, "Its a cary calm fealinig. Relaxing. Soothing. Almost sleepy. (and its not unusual for someone to fall asleep quickly do to heavy bondage. This isnt because they are bored but because of the "calm" that comes over them in headspace)"
? AJSpans_light says, "THT..from your experience..how long does this "sub space, head space" usually last"
MajicaL_SLYhawk Knows about highway hypnosis feeling
ZombieOfTHT says, "However bondage can be stimulation driven as well. Especialy if you use natural fiber ropes like manilia or sasil. Struggling and tugging agains these can be just as stimulating as a strike from a flogger"
? AJSpans_light says, ".o0(wonders if THT is cutting and pasting last weeks lecture he gave?..*smiles)"
MajicaL_SLYhawk says, "Sop one looses all senses of who and what they are and they float out there in that other realm."
ZombieOfTHT says, "AJSpans_light ------ Hours at a time. Like i said its a lit like "highway hypnosis" as it can go on for as long as you keep the same sensory imput comming in ...... and even after you stop the car / stop the bondage you can feel groggy a goot time afterwards"
? AJSpans_light says, "yes...exactly Majical.."
? AJSpans_light says, "that is why bondage can be dangerous..for the sub can go completely lost..and pain ceases....it is up to the Master to constantly recheck for crossing over, or slipage. or any problem that may occure in bondage"
ZombieOfTHT says, "MajicaL_SLYhawk ------ Well depends. "floating" that happens in alpha wave brain patterns comes mostly whene there is heavy bondage for long amounts of time. If its a quick dificult to hold position with lots of struggling I would call that more a "pleasure from pain" thing that it is going into headspace"
hiddengemfor1 says, "have felt that er "highway hypnosis" ,,when ridin the bulls,,or broncs,that is why you keep going back call it the sweet spot though"
ZombieOfTHT says, "AJSpans_light ----- Exactly. Just like it is durring highway hypnosis you just dont "think" about the semi truck your headed directly into"
hiddengemfor1 says, "you feel nothing no pain no anything just freedom,,,"
MajicaL_SLYhawk says, "I have had these experiences many time through meditation and contemplation but I did not consider that this was possible from this bondage situation."
? AJSpans_light says, "i hate to feel ignorant..but higway hypnosis..that is head space or sub space..that point where you just go off into another land?"
ZombieOfTHT says, "And I know Im gonna catch a lot of hell for saying this next part but ...... when you in that "zone" of headspace that is the reason you do it ...... not because of love or trust or respect or emotions or fealings ...... you do it because of the endorphin high"
MajicaL_SLYhawk says, "I believe that"
hiddengemfor1 says, "would agree THT,,,emotions have nothing to do with it"
ZombieOfTHT says, "AJSpans_light ------ Head space = subspace = highway hypnosis = runners high = endorphin rush ..... all the same thing"
? AJSpans_light says, "ok..thanks THT just never heard of it refered to as that"
Your buddy lord_gothic_feline is in chat Lord_Gothic_Feline enters MajicaL_SLYhawk says, "This is like the indians dances"
? AJSpans_light says, "greetinsg LGF..welcome..*huggles*...."
Lord_Gothic_Feline says, "greetings A/all"
Berus_nearly_wild says, "greetings LGF"
MajicaL_SLYhawk says, "they start to astral travel"
Lord_Gothic_Feline says, "huggles light"
Lord_Gothic_Feline says, "light you forgeting your meeting?"
? AJSpans_light says, "whispers....and hour late..but that is all right..lol...*smiles*..it is jut beginning to warm up now..*smiles*"
ZombieOfTHT says, "*shrugs* I just get realy sick of people sprouting the retoric "I dont like it but I do it because I am pleasing my master" ..... any time I see that I KNOW they have never had that "headspace" rush and are just saying what they have seen other subs say ...... but Im getting sidetracked"
ZombieOfTHT scrolls back ..... forgot what he was gonna say next
? AJSpans_light says, "LGF...you are in castle firth...this is the meeting...this is the club..you did a go to on me..and you are here"
MajicaL_SLYhawk says, "Have any of you ever heard of the whirling dirvishes?"
Berus_nearly_wild says, "yes Majical"
? AJSpans_light says, "i have..."
? AJSpans_light says, "yes.."
Lord_Gothic_Feline says, "ahhh ok i thought you had a real life meeting? lol"
? AJSpans_light says, "whispers..sit back LGF..topic is bondage..and it is a good one.."
MajicaL_SLYhawk says, "This sounds very similar to that expereince"
Berus_nearly_wild leaves ZombieOfTHT says, "Oh yes ...... switches and gender issues"
ZombieOfTHT says, "For the record there are lots of highly skilled female bondage tops ...... kristeene Imbock of www.bedroombondage.com comes to mind"
? AJSpans_light says, "Majical..that is why bondage is now adays uncommon online..for it doesnt deal with the Master sub type relationship...it is more...it is that intense rush..that you get from being bound...it takes it on a whole nother plane"
ZombieOfTHT says, "and addly enough even though Lou is a mans name and I always suspected them of being male I found out not long ago that Lou Duff ow www.beautifulrope.com is also a woman"
? AJSpans_light says, "but not going to talk about on line bondage for that is non existantant"
? AJSpans_light says, "*makes note of sites*"
hiddengemfor1 says, ""ditto""
Lord_Gothic_Feline says, "true i know of many you do things online thed never do in rel life"
MajicaL_SLYhawk says, "So does the bondage master get that experience of headspace as well?"
Vixon_FW enters ZombieOfTHT says, "As far as switches go ..... yes quite a few people who like being the tieer also on ocation like being the tieee ...... the fealings you get of "pride of the artist" as a top and "endorphins" as a bottom are equaly appeling to some people"
Vixon_FW leaves MajicaL_SLYhawk says, "Hiya Vixon" Vixon_FW enters ? AJSpans_light says, "THT said it best..get pride and accomplishment...for truly after seeing your work done.....it is indeed something that you feel deep within"
Vixon_FW says, "greetings all"
? AJSpans_light says, "greetings Vixon welcome..topic is bondage..*smiles*" Vixon_FW leaves ? AJSpans_light says, "she will get it..*smiles*"
ZombieOfTHT says, "MajicaL_SLYhawk ----- As I said ..... for the top its more a fealing of "the artist showing off his artwork" ..... pride and acploshment and visiual appeal mor than it is endorphins"
Vixon_FW enters ZombieOfTHT . o O ( where was I? )
MajicaL_SLYhawk says, "Ties her quick"
Vixon_FW says, "hi again"
? AJSpans_light says, "and Majical..also the fact that you are in control..you can do what ever you want...for someone who is bound is helpless...you can really do anything..."
ZombieOfTHT . o O ( Oh yes ..... I was talking about switches )
? AJSpans_light says, "wb Vixon..."
Vixon_FW climbs into a char and listens
Vixon_FW says, "thank you light"
MajicaL_SLYhawk says, "So switches"
MajicaL_SLYhawk says, "Tell me is that a special group?"
ZombieOfTHT says, "Someone mentioned before that they thought that in order to be a good bondage top you have to have "started at the bottom" and been tied up yourself in order to know what its like ...... personaly I think this is bunk"
ZombieOfTHT says, "Here is why"
? AJSpans_light says, ".o0(wonders if this makes me a switch since i love bondage?)"
Vixon_FW says, "why is that THT?"
? AJSpans_light says, "*listens to THT*"
ZombieOfTHT says, "If someone cant be a good bondage top without being the bottom first it would logicaly follow that in order to be a good bottom you would have to have been a top first ...... so you cant be one without doing the other FIRST and you cant do the othert without starting on the one FIRST ..... and you get noplace"
Berus_nearly_wild says, "curses yahell"
ZombieOfTHT says, "However it is a common misconcipten for any kind of relationship that you have to "have done to" before you can be the "do to" ...... nothing realy I can say to counter that argument besides point out that if it wokes one way then it should work the other as well"
? AJSpans_light says, "although i would agree that being both sides can give one a new opinion and realisations...one doesnt need to be both sides in order to bind..and like i said before Bondage Master know what they are doing...so they know what needs to bedone and how to be careful and safe"
Berus_nearly_wild says, "but what if you are new to it?"
Vixon_FW says, "good point THT but"
? AJSpans_light says, "wild...one who is new..should never just go out buy some rope then tie the hell out of everyone.....read, learn the precautions, study, talk to those whom are experience..learn the ways"
hiddengemfor1 says, "sighs does not want to but must go,,needs sleep before the crew is up in the bright and not so distant morn,,,be well A/all ,,and THT was good to er ummmm hear/see You talk again,,light thanks for having me,,night A/all"
Berus_nearly_wild says, "yes understands that light"
Vixon_FW says, "damn it"
? AJSpans_light says, "learn the warning signs..the care, the types of knots, styles, ect"
hiddengemfor1 leaves ? AJSpans_light says, "wishes you well gem.."
? AJSpans_light says, "oo..too fast"
ZombieOfTHT says, "Berus_nearly_wild ----- Well if your new get a book on knots, visit some "how to" pages, practice in your spare time, talk to other bondage tops ...... there is other ways of learning than just "have it done to you""
? AJSpans_light says, "wild...like i said..i just started maybe a month ago..i do have some rope and have been practicing various knots and styles....."
Vixon_FW says, "thx wild" ? AJSpans_light says, "but this is something that cant be done over night..and takes time"
MajicaL_SLYhawk says, "Well it stands to reason.. How could you play good music if you have not heard good music so you need to be top to appreciate bottom"
ZombieOfTHT says, "I promise you ..... I could tie a japanese ten coin knot on you 100 times in a row and you would never understand how to tie it ...... just because you have had it done to you that dosent make it a meathod of learning"
? AJSpans_light says, "wb Vixon" Lord_Gothic_Feline says, "wb vix" Vixon_FW says, "thx all" Lord_Gothic_Feline says, "speaking of jappaneses knots"
ZombieOfTHT says, "MajicaL_SLYhawk ------ Using that argument you could also say that nobody can realy like listing to music untill they have learned to play an insturment"
Lord_Gothic_Feline says, "how is orental bondage dif"
Berus_nearly_wild says, "good question LGF"
MajicaL_SLYhawk says, "But you can never know music until you have played it"
ZombieOfTHT says, "Lord_Gothic_Feline ----- Orental bondage and western bondage differ a lot. But if you understand the point of view of each everything else is simple to see why it is like it is"
Vixon_FW says, "I feel , for my self anyway, that a lot of t is a mindset......its hard as a Top to know what a bottom wants or need, especilly if one is brand new to BDSM"
? AJSpans_light says, "it is more disciplined intricate and carefully...more dangerous..and heavier types.."
MajicaL_SLYhawk says, "you hear it but you know not the true expereince of it."
ZombieOfTHT says, "In western bondage the idea is mostly foreplay. Its functional. quick to tie and untie. and usualy opens the body up for easy access in play"
Vixon_FW says, "to learn both sides of the coin is to enlighten myself to what I want nd am willing to give as a Top"
Vixon_FW says, "and to better understand the desires of My bottom"
Berus_nearly_wild says, "smiles,,,still listening"
Lord_Gothic_Feline says, "ok THT i understand that concept"
ZombieOfTHT says, "On the other hand asian bondage is decorative more than it is functional. The mail goal is to get the bottom to just sit there looking atractive. To this end harsher ropes are used (so they sont struggle and will sit still) and the amount of time taken is longer. Also the bondage is almost always an event all by itself. so opening up the body to get to the "good parts" is not realy critical"
Lord_Gothic_Feline says, "ahhhhhh"
Vixon_FW says, "hmm"
Lord_Gothic_Feline says, "ok"
Vixon_FW hugs the Slyhawk
Lord_Gothic_Feline says, "brb"
ZombieOfTHT says, "MajicaL_SLYhawk ---- Like I said. Its a tough argument to counter ...... can a bottom only realy enjoy being tied up after they have been the top at least once? So they know exactly what its like?"
MajicaL_SLYhawk says, "I see your point"
MajicaL_SLYhawk says, "And the answer to me is what does one want from the experience"
? AJSpans_light says, "Majical..it is one thing for a sub to take a flog and beat the hell out of a top...but bondage is a whole nother level....very different from the Master sub relationship......"
Vixon_FW says, "but THT....how will they know that they wouldn't prefer being the one tying rather than the one being tied?"
ZombieOfTHT says, "MajicaL_SLYhawk ---- Its a point of view I see quite a bit and I dont realy know of a good way to counter the idea ..... Im just not that good with words to get my point across"
MajicaL_SLYhawk says, "Predisposition"
Vixon_FW says, "or vice versa"
ZombieOfTHT says, "Vixon_FW ------ Can I answer that question with a question?"
Vixon_FW says, "of course"
Berus_nearly_wild says, "exactly Slyhawk"
MajicaL_SLYhawk says, "The natural tendency of that individual"
Lord_Gothic_Feline says, "ok am back"
Berus_nearly_wild says, "wb LGF" ? AJSpans_light says, "wb LGF.." Vixon_FW says, "wb Feline" ZombieOfTHT says, "Vixon_FW ----- before you lost your virginity did how did you KNOW you were the sexual orientation you are?"
Lord_Gothic_Feline says, "thnks A/all"
Vixon_FW says, "I was only attracted to men"
MajicaL_SLYhawk says, "predisposition"
Vixon_FW says, "it was a dead giveaway"
Berus_nearly_wild says, "smiles again"
ZombieOfTHT says, "Vixon_FW ----- But how did you KNOW you were only atracted to men if you never had a real good lesbian lover?"
Lord_Gothic_Feline says, "see vix thats the point"
ZombieOfTHT wonders if he is making sence?
Lord_Gothic_Feline says, "you are THT"
Vixon_FW says, "yes....but I never wanted one"
MajicaL_SLYhawk says, "TRUE"
? AJSpans_light says, "interesting question THT...but many times one knows what there sexuality is as a virgin..just havent had a chance to explore it yet...for example a homosexual...they know they are homosexual and the sex would reinforce the idea of what is believed"
MajicaL_SLYhawk says, "In greece men had to play with men first"
ZombieOfTHT says, "Vixon_FW ----- Likewise, if you just KNEW you were straight and not gay even though you never experinced it ...... so also can someone KNOW they are a bondage top and have never been a bondage bottom"
Lord_Gothic_Feline says, "in greece bi sexuality was not just the norm it was expected
MajicaL_SLYhawk says, "Thats right"
Vixon_FW says, "I'm sure that is ery true THT"
MajicaL_SLYhawk says, "So its an enviromental predisposition"
Vixon_FW says, "and some...like myself....have no idea and need start somewhere"
? AJSpans_light says, "*smiles at THT...o0(thinking what he told me earlier)"
Berus_nearly_wild says, "sighs,,has an early date with her Master,,,,be well A/all"
Vixon_FW says, "be well berus"
Vixon_FW says, "wild" MajicaL_SLYhawk says, "Be well tormented"
? AJSpans_light says, "wishes you well wild..have a nice night..and thank you for stoping by.." Berus_nearly_wild leaves Vixon_FW says, "doh" ZombieOfTHT says, "AJSpans_light ----- Alone in the croud yet again "
? AJSpans_light says, "*giggles*..tormented.."
MajicaL_SLYhawk chuckles
? AJSpans_light says, "THT..you are not alone...*smiles*..we are going back and forth.and i value what you have to say..You finally spoke..*smiles*"
Lord_Gothic_Feline says, "no i am with you THT"
MajicaL_SLYhawk says, "You make very good sense THT"
Vixon_FW says, "you see THT...I am a Domme...it is my nature to be so....but the idea of being bound is also very appealing....where do you think that leaves me?"
ZombieOfTHT says, "AJSpans_light ------ Ive seen it all before. What am I getting in exchange for the education?"
ZombieOfTHT is off topic yet again
ZombieOfTHT . o O ( where was I? )
MajicaL_SLYhawk says, "A sense of pride in your work THT what else"
ZombieOfTHT says, "Vixon_FW ------ Whats wrong with being a dom in D/s and a bottom in B&D?"
Vixon_FW Smiles and listens quietly
Vixon_FW says, "nothing that I know of"
Lord_Gothic_Feline says, "whats wrong with being a switch"
? AJSpans_light says, "people who listen..people who learn...THT...you have taught me much about bondage..and i have to say..i love it...without you..would never been interested in it.....you have sparked and interest i have had..plus you get to here some opposing views..as well as here things to make you laugh...just think about the tiem i told you how i took care of loose ends on the rope..ok...*smiles*"
Vixon_FW says, "my point being some want the experience of both"
ZombieOfTHT says, "Just because you like being tied up does NOT meen you also have to ba a yes sir, no sir, I live only to please you master submisive ..... its totaly ok to be into bondage just for the "endorphins" and not at all intrested in the submision"
? AJSpans_light says, "here is a question.....Just because soemtong likes to tie..does that mean they are a switch?\"
Vixon_FW smiles Vixon_FW listens MajicaL_SLYhawk knows Vixon likes endorphines
ZombieOfTHT says, "AJSpans_light ---- depends on what you ment by "switch"
" Vixon_FW nods Lord_Gothic_Feline says, "no light switch in one whoo cold submit to one and be Dom to one"
? AJSpans_light says, "i mean..i am a subbie...o0(although i think even though have a dominant..outward manner)...but does that mean because i like to tie up..i am a switch?"
Vixon_FW says, "good question light"
ZombieOfTHT says, "AJSpans_light ----- Then you a sub in D/s and a top in B&D"
? AJSpans_light says, "well that is just it..for the tier..has "power and control" over the one being bind.."
ZombieOfTHT says, "AJSpans_light ----- yes the top does have "power and control" but that may not be why they do it ...... I eat icecream and I get fat. But the REASON I eat icecream is not because I want to becom fat"
MajicaL_SLYhawk says, "The point f I got it is that top is for the artistry and bottom is for the endorphines."
? AJSpans_light says, "interesting point..for it is indeed a common misconception..that BDSM is one......although it can very much be one in the same......but with your example THT...proves the differences"
? AJSpans_light says, "*giggles*..likes the analogy THT"
? AJSpans_light says, "but the top gets feelings to Majical..."
MajicaL_SLYhawk says, "An artist allways gets feelings"
Lord_Gothic_Feline says, "ya to be in control is an endomorphin rush"
ZombieOfTHT says, "AJSpans_light ---- Likewise when I tie someone up .... yes I admit that I am taking control from them ..... but the REASON I like doing it is because of the pride / acompleshement / artwork of it. Its not because I like the power exchange"
MajicaL_SLYhawk says, "Feelings of that creation"
? AJSpans_light says, "i mean..think of say a puzzle you have put together..one of those 1,000 piece puzzle..you have worked days on..and finally placing the final piece in place..how do you feel...it is truly wonderful..same with bondage..tying that last night and stepping back to see the beauty of the work you put in..brings a smile to anyones face"
MajicaL_SLYhawk says, "When I play my music there is a rush I never ever get from listenning to music"
ZombieOfTHT says, "AJSpans_light ------ (devils advocate) But dont you also feel control by saying to yourself "I own this puzzle. I control it in ever way. It cant move on its own. Every single piece depends on me to be moved. I control its ever action 24/7. It cant do anything without me""
ZombieOfTHT says, "Actualy I have a theory on what that is so prevelent"
? AJSpans_light says, "that brings up an interesting point..for bondage can bring in all the senses....touch of the rope, smell of the rope.....full sensese..and with hearing...music in the background can add even more to it"
? AJSpans_light says, "yes THT..that is why bondage is dangerous..for you get these wannabe Master who dont know a thing and just want a slave to use for there whim...o0(feels like this is leading into last nights topic)"
ZombieOfTHT says, "AJSpans_light ----- Yes. It can be something that fills the senses .... the color, the smell, the feel, the texture, the stifness or flexability. the springiness or stiffness"
? AJSpans_light says, ".o0(never realised the smelling aspect untill started to tie for real......*smiles*..).."
ZombieOfTHT says, "AJSpans_light ---- Yes. We are drifting off topic? Aint we?"
? AJSpans_light says, "THT where ever it leads is fine as long as we still have a topic to go on.."
ZombieOfTHT says, "My take on it is this ...... in cyber thing like love and trust and respect and comunication come across very well so people assume these are the most important things in BDSM ..... thing like touch, sensation, adrenlen, endorphins do not transfer well in cyber so thest aspects tend to be neglected"
? AJSpans_light says, "*looks all around*..think we hit a dead end for a sec...."
Vixon_FW sighs softly, wishing she wasn't falling asleep at her keyboard
? AJSpans_light says, "that is why we call it insomniac meeting...lol"
Vixon_FW says, "thank you all for the interesting and enlightening conversation"
? AJSpans_light says, "of course not THT..that is why in yahell you never truly find bondage Masters........"
? AJSpans_light says, "wishes You well Vixon..thanks for stopping by..*smiles*..have a nice night"
MajicaL_SLYhawk says, "Be well Love"
Vixon_FW wishes you all well and slips out the door
ZombieOfTHT says, "AJSpans_light ----- Well you did. Up untill 2 weeks ago any way. and you can find them here tonight ..... but thats it"
? AJSpans_light says, "i can only name maybe 6 who are genuinly in bondage..."
Lord_Gothic_Feline says, "be well vix"
Vixon_FW says, "night LOer"
Vixon_FW leaves ? AJSpans_light says, "and only 3 i can truly rely on information"
ZombieOfTHT says, "3?"
? AJSpans_light says, "THT..i know you are one of the primere bondage experts..and i value your opinion greatly"
? AJSpans_light says, "yes..3.."
ZombieOfTHT says, "Thats all ..... with so many thousands running around yahoo? Only 3?"
? AJSpans_light says, "You, Casey, and my Master.....whom have all helped me.."
ZombieOfTHT is suddenly verry depresed
? AJSpans_light says, "yes..THT unfortunatly..but remember we werent going to talk about online bondage.for yahell is depressing in itself"
? AJSpans_light says, "*giggles*"
? AJSpans_light says, "ok..LGF...Majical..any questions comments concerns?"
ZombieOfTHT says, "Betcha there are at least 3,000 who will pass on information about the emotions and fealing you should be experincing ..... telling you that if your in bondage you should be feeling live and trust and respect and comunication"
ZombieOfTHT says, "live = love"
ZombieOfTHT is still waiting for the day when they come out with a keyboard for tiger paws and not human hands
? AJSpans_light says, "agree with You 100% THT...for they only know the castle realm aspect..although that is indeed a good BEGINNER...site....they have no clue as to the rest of the BDSM realm "
ZombieOfTHT turns and spits on the ground at the mention of castlerealm
? AJSpans_light says, "THT DONT say a word about the Castle"
? AJSpans_light says, "i have heard it too many times"
? AJSpans_light says, "that is why i stressed BEGGINER"
? AJSpans_light says, "*smiles* thinks LGF and Majical fell asleep"
ZombieOfTHT says, "See? Even when its just us talking we cant stay on the topic of bondage ...... we just drift off into talking about emotions"
? AJSpans_light says, "well THT...go back to bondage then..i am just following you.."
ZombieOfTHT is no longer in a good state of mental health due to yahell
? AJSpans_light says, "i am proud of myself..*smiles*..learning some great knots and practicing on myself as well as friends and family...*smiles*"
MajicaL_SLYhawk says, "So why are you not in Mainhall?"
Lord_Gothic_Feline says, "so where should one start in bondage if you live inthe back water state that makes texas look liberal"
ZombieOfTHT says, "LSHMCOMN @ MajicaL_SLYhawk"
? AJSpans_light says, "THT..stop that"
ZombieOfTHT says, "Lord_Gothic_Feline ----- Dont be so sure. If they have a BDSM orgiznation in SaltLakeCity then no place can be too consertice"
ZombieOfTHT says, "Lord_Gothic_Feline ----- If you want I would be more than happy to pull up info for your area?"
Lord_Gothic_Feline says, "we have BDSM org here"
Lord_Gothic_Feline says, "?" ? AJSpans_light says, "LGF..there may be many org that are in your area.."
? AJSpans_light says, "YES..."
Lord_Gothic_Feline says, "wow"
ZombieOfTHT says, "HELLS BELLS!!!!! You meen I hit it on the money with SLC?"
? AJSpans_light says, "where in texas are you located...THT and i have some informative things"
Lord_Gothic_Feline says, "yes"
? AJSpans_light says, "oh..Salt Lake City..*smiles*"
ZombieOfTHT says, "AJSpans_light ----- Not TX. StLouis"
ZombieOfTHT says, "BRB"
Lord_Gothic_Feline says, "THT this is Master_Kisser"
? AJSpans_light says, "Ack...knows i am tired..saw texas..though you were there..*giggles*.."
? AJSpans_light says, "<--insomnia.."
Lord_Gothic_Feline says, "lol is one to light"
ZombieOfTHT says, "AJSpans_light ----- and this after I said the workshop I gave saturday was in StLouis "
MajicaL_SLYhawk says, "So what was that LSHMCOMN thing?"
ZombieOfTHT says, "Lord_Gothic_Feline ------ There are 3 of them actualy. Stand by" ? AJSpans_light says, "laughs so hard my....hmmm...comn?"
ZombieOfTHT says, "LSHMCOMN = Laughing So Hard Milk Comes Out My Nose"
? AJSpans_light says, "oh...*giggles*"
Lord_Gothic_Feline says, "laughts so hard milk comeing out my nose"
MajicaL_SLYhawk says, "Oh boy"
ZombieOfTHT says, "Salt Lake City: Conservative Kink; Mdom-femsub organization http://www.consvkink.com/index.html" ZombieOfTHT says, "Utah Powerplay, PO Box 521754, Salt Lake City, Utah 84152-1754 http://www.info-utah.com/powerplay" ZombieOfTHT says, "Wasatch Leathermen; men's group, P.O. Box 1311, Salt Lake City, UT 84110 (no website)" Lord_Gothic_Feline says, "the powerplay site link dont work" ZombieOfTHT says, "AJSpans_light ----- See what I ment now? Alwas me being the guru teaching everyone else ..... is it any wonder the ~worthy~ are always bitching at me that Im up on a soapbox trying to force my views on everyone else?"
? AJSpans_light says, "LGF..how far are you away from Midvale?"
Lord_Gothic_Feline says, "3 miles"
Lord_Gothic_Feline says, "why light"
? AJSpans_light says, "there is a bondage shop there and they have a catalog.."
Lord_Gothic_Feline says, "whats the name"
? AJSpans_light says, "Stocks and Bonds LTD Po Box 800-115 Midvale UT 84047..." ? AJSpans_light says, "you can write to them for a brochure and information"
? AJSpans_light says, "well it is a distributer actually"
ZombieOfTHT says, "Lord_Gothic_Feline ----- Odd? The link does indead appear to be dead. I wonder whats up?"
Lord_Gothic_Feline says, "i get a 404 errpr" Lord_Gothic_Feline says, "error" ZombieOfTHT says, "In fact it looks like the whole info utah website is down" ZombieOfTHT says, "It could be that they just have the system off line for the night doing an upgrade. Im getting the same link regestared at google as well so thats gotta be the link"
? AJSpans_light says, "brb A/all" Lord_Gothic_Feline says, "i dont know utah is funny" ? AJSpans_light says, "pops back in..*smiles*" Lord_Gothic_Feline says, "well it is light"

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