"
Asaintofcircumstance says, "and save them for private......"
? AJSpans_light says, "how does a child react to that...i mean..there is bound to see one side dominant....are they brought up in view the that male or female is automaitically dominant and must be subservient?"
VanChasers_angell says, "huggs tight back>"
? AJSpans_light says, "ok...then i will throw up a new topic to the floor......"
Asaintofcircumstance says, "(W/we all do have first names ya know)"
Casey_Ar says, "light the old fashioned dad is the breadwinner mom stays home style family showed that aspect to kids.."
? AJSpans_light says, "Childrens games..many times they have a Dom and sub point of view..example...Cops and robbers, cow boys indians..boys chase girls..tag...ect.."
Berus_nearly_wild says, "smiles"
VanChasers_angell says, "yep agrees with Casey,,,back to the 50's livin"
? AJSpans_light says, "yes..but modern times Casey that is not the case"
Casey_Ar says, "smiles...grew up in that kind of family"
_night_wind_ToPK did not
? AJSpans_light says, "well not always...and that is what i find interesting with todays generation and where it is going to lead to"
Asaintofcircumstance says, "light, to me, that IS the harder part......cause there is so much room for kids to misinterpret a consensual power exchange, which exhisted before them, as that one is going to be Dom, and one sub"
? AJSpans_light says, "neither did i...mom wore the pants in my family and dad..well out of the picture completely"
_night_wind_ToPK listens closely
Your buddy lord_weir leaves chat
? AJSpans_light says, "exactly A saint..for they may not view it as consensual..but as a Must that..it is the way to lead life in the future.being subservient"
Casey_Ar says, "just pointing out that for many generations that dom/sub relationship existed in families...though you are correct that no longer holds true"
Asaintofcircumstance says, "yeah...my folks divorced, when I was young.......saw my own family w/a strong female raising the kids.....but also saw my grandfather with a very traditional home. (although even his wife worked)"
_night_wind_ToPK was subserviant to her husband....but it was not consensual
_night_wind_ToPK was not happy either
? AJSpans_light says, "exactly..although BDSM has been around for centuries..it is the lack of family values, traditions and "old ways" with new equality.. that makes this generation so different"
Asaintofcircumstance says, "hmmmm disagree that the so called fifties lifestyle was a Dom/sub lifestyle............in some cases yes...but in others even though the husband was bread winner....the mother still ruled the home, ..........raised the kids......was the real power"
? AJSpans_light says, "and i truly wonder where that is going to lead to...."
Berus_nearly_wild says, "is back from a page"
? AJSpans_light says, "real power to kids...but...in society was nothing and that is what the kids saw in the 50s that no matter how much power mother had...it was still minimal compare to the men"
Asaintofcircumstance says, "BDSM and D/s is very differant from the Man works....june cleaver cleaning in pearls 2.3 suburban idealized fifties lifestyle"
Taranos_of_Port_Kar enters
_night_wind_ToPK says, "wb Master"
? AJSpans_light says, "greetings Master Taranos..welcomeback....."
_night_wind_ToPK smiles warmly
Taranos_of_Port_Kar says, "thanks, wee one"
Taranos_of_Port_Kar says, "thanks, light..."
Taranos_of_Port_Kar leaves
Casey_Ar says, "probaly where it is heading is that people will find family where they can light....and you won't see many "traditional " relationships...ie the forever kind"
? AJSpans_light says, "well the 50s mindset of the times was not exactly BDSM..but it was where men had power but women control the house"
Asaintofcircumstance says, "well A/all..........I have to run...........(btw.........so no one misinterprets anything I said is not even necesarilly my own opinion......the curse of a legal education.......I just gotta play devils advocate, and all views are subject to change without notice.....and my own, not intending to put them out as right or the only view)
"
? AJSpans_light says, "exactly Casey..for "traditional" seems to be lost....but the question is..what does that do to the children...for i mean..although you really can compare this generation to past...due to the new laws mindsets and ideals..but we have a messed up generation so to speak"
Casey_Ar says, "be well Asaint"
? AJSpans_light says, "wishes you well A saint..thank you for stoping by..have a nice night"
? AJSpans_light says, "would love to see you next week if you can make it..*smiles*"
VanChaser says, "be well asaint"
_night_wind_ToPK wishes You well Asaint
Asaintofcircumstance says, "light......a pleasure as always.......(I'll try..........got the local BDSM irc chat weds. nights too, and a lil one I gotta spend some time with, ya know)"
_night_wind_ToPK says, "Master"
? AJSpans_light says, "*smiles*..sure...i will send out a e-mail for the insomniac meetings..*giggles*.."
VanChasers_angell says, "please excuse me A/all,,,,wish you A/all a good night..."
? AJSpans_light says, "Children often witness many violent, sadistic, BDSM type scenarios on TV, cartoons and even commercials...any opinions"
? AJSpans_light says, "i mean you have loony toons and there bondage paddling scenes"
? AJSpans_light says, "that is one example...and well..just TV in general...can hint of this sort of lifestyle.."
? AJSpans_light says, ".o0(thinks i lost A/all?)"
Casey_Ar says, "unfortuneately they also play vid games that generally show the only way to win is kill as many of the enemy as possible...I don't see this as good"
Casey_Ar says, "wish I didn't type eyes down"
? AJSpans_light says, "yes...exactly..and video games are all over...arcades..cd roms..and game boys and pocket games"
? AJSpans_light says, "*smiles*..i know what you mean...to think i never used to be able to type..now i am a pro..*giggles*..to much chat time.."
Berus_nearly_wild says, "agrees with light...too much chat time"
? AJSpans_light says, "thanks alot wild...for your info i was going crazy this whole week..lost service for 6 days"
Berus_nearly_wild says, "smiles......"
Berus_nearly_wild says, "missed you dearly light"
? AJSpans_light says, "*giggles*..but i am back to terrorize A/all.."
Casey_Ar says, "VanChaser is correct what is seen is only a small part of the lifestyle...the underbelly so to speak"
? AJSpans_light says, ".o0(missed Master too...*sighs*..and he is gone..oh well back to Children and BDSM)"
Berus_nearly_wild says, "has spent many hours with you late at night"
VanChaser says, "... we see what fits in a sound bite... a producers image of the lifestyle to boost ratings"
? AJSpans_light says, "and that causes problems Casey because usually it is only the negative portions of this lifestyle are seen which causes many stereotypes and ignorance"
Berus_nearly_wild says, "thinks that one problem is that bdsm is a term that covers so many facets"
Berus_nearly_wild says, "that education is hard to actually do"
VanChaser says, "Which is why we are here.. having "discussioins" to deprogram and enlighten A/anyone that wants to learn"
? AJSpans_light says, "ture wild...for it is a lable which sets false limits again......
."
Berus_nearly_wild says, "thinks of all the disagreements even amongst practitioners"
Casey_Ar says, "yes..."your bdsm is not my bdsm""
Berus_nearly_wild says, "exactly Casey Sir.......smiles"
? AJSpans_light says, "the only thing is VanChaser..although many times these discussions are in the rooms...they get out of hand and are impossible to really discuss for people dont tolerate or respect each others opinions..but someplace like this which is private......well cant reach the masses..o0(i know that was off topic)"
VanChaser says, "But there is no BDSM manual.. W/we pick and choice.. and make it FIT the TWO (in some cases more). personalities that are involved."
? AJSpans_light says, "your right Casey....that is why have to bring in THT again for sometimes he says the best thoughts ...he said we should just call it BDSMJKLNOPQR......"
Casey_Ar says, "lol ...THT does have a way of making you think"
_night_wind_ToPK leaves
VanChaser says, "I am on a THT diet"
? AJSpans_light says, "that is why BDSM is a lifestyle of limits and individuals..for it is the union of Master and sub...to decide what it is..and where to take it.."
MASTER_STEELD1 enters
? AJSpans_light says, "*giggles*...well here is a quick aside..although THT is stubborn, loud and outspoken..he is highly knowlegeable, a great debator..and have to respect. him..ok..back to BDSM"
Berus_nearly_wild says, "greetings Master Steeld"
MASTER_STEELD1 says, "greetings Aall"
VanChaser says, "Welcome Master Steeld"
? AJSpans_light says, "greetings Master Steeld..welcome...nice to see You ..*smiles*"
MASTER_STEELD1 says, "hello wild.....VanChaser....light"
Casey_Ar says, "just an opinion light but I don't think many subs are into the heavy part of BDSM but more into the wanting to serve and be helpful part"
MASTER_STEELD1 says, "it is good to see you too light...smiles"
Casey_Ar says, "greetings Steeld"
MASTER_STEELD1 says, "hello Casey"
Your buddy ankk_ar is in chat
Ankk_Ar enters
? AJSpans_light says, "your right Casey..for i really dont think that subs in the rooms..knows exaclty what BDSM is...all they see is serving..ect..ect"
Ankk_Ar says, "Greetings A/all"
? AJSpans_light says, "greetings Master Ankkie...*huggles You to death*..*smiles*..great to see You"
Berus_nearly_wild says, "greetings Ankk Sir"
Casey_Ar says, "Greetings Ankk"
? AJSpans_light says, "ok...back to the topic....*smiles at Master Ankk*"
Ankk_Ar says, "greetings wild"
MASTER_STEELD1 says, "greetings Ankk"
Ankk_Ar says, "Tal Casey"
Ankk_Ar says, "Greetings Steeld"
? AJSpans_light says, "here is a question to the floor..which for some reason i know i am digging a grave in since this was fought many times over.."
VanChaser says, "light.... do they need to know.. I don't promote mass ignorance.. but if they are happy with what they are involved in.... then expansion of thier minds comes out of curiosity and the thirst for knowledge, for humans by nature are slow to accept change."
Ankk_Ar says, "dig away light"
VanChaser says, "Welcoe Ankk_AR"
Ankk_Ar says, "nods thanks to Van"
? AJSpans_light says, "Adult Chat allows 18 years old in....but many of the BDSM want those whom are 21 and over..and i have seen rooms post such as "i will kicke the shit out of you if you are under 21""
? AJSpans_light says, "that is what one posted in rules"
Casey_Ar says, "I am not saying bdsm is all about getting beaten or humiliated just that for many that aspect does not appeal to them but the domination/submission does"
Casey_Ar says, "if yahoo says 18 that's good enough for me..I got my draft notice when I was 18"
Ankk_Ar says, "light I think that is because we want this to be a mutual thing"
MASTER_STEELD1 says, "has mixed feelings"
Ankk_Ar says, "light and an 18 year old is lead esasier thena 21 year old"
Berus_nearly_wild says, "thinks that is because there can still be alot of silliness in an 18 year old"
VanChaser says, "light..... sounds like a TROLLER haven.. and not a pleasant place to have a discussin (just an opinion).... places with walls keep the unwanted out.. as welll as well as fresh ideas"
MASTER_STEELD1 says, "very true Van"
Ankk_Ar says, "wild agreed"
? AJSpans_light says, "and Casey....your right....not just about that.....but......many really dont understan..all they see is the fact of serves"
? AJSpans_light says, "ok...3 different thoughts on the floor.....1) VanChaser..no..they dont have to be converted..just wondering...why we can never talk "
? AJSpans_light says, "hmm..message cross.."
Berus_nearly_wild says, "smiles@Ankk"
MASTER_STEELD1 says, "I know how much I changed between 18 and 21 and it was drastic"
Ankk_Ar says, "Steeld it was for most of us"
? AJSpans_light says, ".o0(knows that change as well.....big change)"
MASTER_STEELD1 says, "I would have to say that I agree with the 21 and up rule"
You tell Ankk_Ar "dont say a word..they have no clue how old i am..*smiles*.rather keep it that way..but it is great to have you here and hope all is well tonight"
Berus_nearly_wild says, "thinks if someone opens a room and wishes for people a few years out of highschool"
Ankk_Ar says, "As would I for the most part Steeld there are of course exceptions"
MASTER_STEELD1 says, "there are"
Berus_nearly_wild says, "they should be able to choose that"
Casey_Ar says, "if a person can get there ass shot off in a forghen country at 18 they should be allowed to chat..that is my opinion"
? AJSpans_light says, "and to make a point many lie about there age anyway...."
MASTER_STEELD1 says, "but its impossible to weed out the ones who are serious and the ones who are niave"
Berus_nearly_wild says, "thinks that is nearly impossible regardless of age"
? AJSpans_light says, "i had this discussion with a 13 year old girl in the haven the other day..because she is exploring her sexuality..and had no ideas the feelings she was feeling..and didnt understand why A/all PM her asking for sex..."
Ankk_Ar says, "light she shouldnt have been there"
? AJSpans_light says, "i mean..do you think in a case like that the 18 and over rule should stay"
Ankk_Ar says, "13 has no clue"
Berus_nearly_wild says, "she should not have been there"
MASTER_STEELD1 says, "agrees"
Berus_nearly_wild says, "way past her head"
? AJSpans_light says, "I know that Master Ankk..especially her..i was talking to her and couldnt believe it...she knew nothing..but she lied about her age..which in yahell standards is so easy"
Berus_nearly_wild says, "regardless of what she thinks she's looking for"
Casey_Ar says, "she didn't belong there"
VanChaser says, "13 is just too confused... she should be talked to politely... but encouraged to use the door (of her own free will, so the tempation to return is not there)"
MASTER_STEELD1 says, "I dont have kids (yet) but if it was My daughter......."
MASTER_STEELD1 says, "I wouldnt approve"
Casey_Ar says, "true light ...it so easy to lie about your age or anything else on a profile/account"
Ankk_Ar says, "Steeld it is unacceptable regardless"
? AJSpans_light says, "well i offered to help her and began talking to her..until i realised her answers were to naive..when i asked her age..i almost flipped..and well started talking to her about importance of education"
? AJSpans_light says, "your right Casey...and many do indeed lie"
Ankk_Ar says, "light and her response"
You tell Ankk_Ar "why do i feel so guilty now...and dont do that to me"
Berus_nearly_wild says, "lag test"
Berus_nearly_wild says, "lol"
? AJSpans_light says, "ok...just lost in thought for a min"
? AJSpans_light says, "*giggles*"
MASTER_STEELD1 says, "and you could hear a pin drop"
Casey_Ar says, "clang!!!"
MASTER_STEELD1 says, "lol"
Berus_nearly_wild says, "opens her last wine cooler"
? AJSpans_light says, "ok... new topic to the floor..."
Berus_nearly_wild says, "mmmmmmmmm"
Ankk_Ar says, "looks at wild"
Berus_nearly_wild says, "looks at Ankk"
? AJSpans_light says, "umm...*giggles*...thinks i am out of ideas..."
Ankk_Ar says, "wine coolers eh?"
VanChaser says, "Idea:....."
MASTER_STEELD1 says, "listens"
Berus_nearly_wild says, "stolen from the meadow Sir"
Casey_Ar says, "well we could just do the regular meeting thing light"
Ankk_Ar says, "Ahhh fair enough"
VanChaser says, "We never really got into when kids catch mom and dad "on the rack" so to speak"
Berus_nearly_wild says, "smiles"
? AJSpans_light says, "ok..good one...how does parents explain that.."
MASTER_STEELD1 says, ""mommy and daddy are playing?""
Casey_Ar says, "my parents response was "get out!""
VanChaser says, ".o0(main reason I came to the kids and BDSM tonight)... good excuses ;-P"
? AJSpans_light says, "i mean many times...kids..sneak in looking at mommy and daddy having fun and giggles away...well...what do you say..if you are cropping ect...."
Ankk_Ar says, "Steeld exactly"
Berus_nearly_wild says, "lol@Casey"
MASTER_STEELD1 says, "that would be kinda awkward"
Ankk_Ar says, "Van do you not have locks?"
Berus_nearly_wild says, "would think you would not do heavy scening unless you knew that you would have privacy"
Casey_Ar says, "light I would think you would lock the door.
..."
? AJSpans_light says, "being that i was never put in that position...well actually little kids asking me about sex..i just tell them to ask there parent..for it is not my position to teach them..although many times put in that situation"
MASTER_STEELD1 says, "true...but Im sure that r/l does not leave a whole lot of time for privacy"
VanChaser says, "No... your dorr should be left unlocked.. otherwise you give the children the message, that they can't reach mom or dad when they need them.. AND they need to learn to respect the closed door.. (to knock 1st)"
MASTER_STEELD1 says, "not complete privacy anyway"
? AJSpans_light says, "your right and even if the door is locked..how many people tryly have accousitic tiles in there walls?"
Ankk_Ar says, "Van then until they do respect that door refrain"
Berus_nearly_wild says, "agrees with Ankk"
Ankk_Ar says, "smiles at wild"
Berus_nearly_wild says, "smiles back"
Casey_Ar says, "sees Van's point...who wants to refrain for what could be years...."
Ankk_Ar says, "Casey then there are three options A. lock door B. dont do it C. gfet caught"
VanChaser says, "Thank you Casey, and it is not in the child best interest to seal a child away from thier parents"
Casey_Ar says, "mig
ht try budgeting a night without the kids around...ie hire a babysitter for them..."
Ankk_Ar says, "Van if you seem to want it all"
? AJSpans_light says, "so does one explain to there kids...but i mean kids talk in school a lot...what does teacher think if a child says..i saw daddy beat mommy up last night...i mean...i wonder how many of these child protection cases are really the childs distorted vies of parents BDSM scense"
VanChaser says, "Or simply refarin until 2-3 hours after they have long since fallen asleep
"
? AJSpans_light says, "ugghh shoot that typist on that last post"
Ankk_Ar says, "Van that should work there is your answer"
MASTER_STEELD1 says, "oops...looks at the clock...gotta meet someone...be well Aall"
Ankk_Ar says, "Be Well Steeld"
Casey_Ar says, "be well Steeld"
VanChaser says, "be well Steeld"
Berus_nearly_wild says, "be well Master Steeld"
? AJSpans_light says, "wishes you well Master Steeld have a nice night...thanks for stopping by"
MASTER_STEELD1 says, "thanks for having Me light..smiles"
MASTER_STEELD1 leaves
? AJSpans_light says, "yes but kids can awaken to screams of pleasure and pain..what are you going to gagg constantly"
Berus_nearly_wild says, "thinks about kids who get up"
Berus_nearly_wild says, "in the middle of the night"
Casey_Ar says, "I can say the best birth control in the world is a small voice at the foot of the bed saying .."mommy I'm scared"
Ankk_Ar says, "light if necesary yes"
Ankk_Ar says, "Doesnt think one can have it all"
Casey_Ar says, "I can say the best birth control in the world is a small voice at the foot of the bed saying .."mommy I'm scared"
Berus_nearly_wild says, "hears an echo...lol"
VanChaser says, "Its one thing to STOP and roll over and pretend to sleep.. It is something else if you or your partner are tied into a postiion"
? AJSpans_light says, "*giggles* at the double take."
Berus_nearly_wild says, "doesn't either...not with children around"
Ankk_Ar says, "Parents make lots of sacrifices they need to decide how they will deal"
VanChaser says, "??? quick thinking.. and throw a a blanket over ;-)"
? AJSpans_light says, "and that brings us back to the beginning..what does one do VanChaser..should you tell the kids...but then have the fear of the kids telling all and distorting the view..."
? AJSpans_light says, "i mean..like i said...if a child goes around saying daddy tied up and beat mommy last night...that can cause legal trouble"
Ankk_Ar says, "If parents want to have bdsm sex while kids are in house they need to lock door"
Berus_nearly_wild says, "smiles....VanChaser I would be most interested in hearing Your viewpoints on this after You and angell meet"
VanChaser says, "I am not worried about the legal trouble.. only about the effect on the child."
Ankk_Ar says, "Van if you dont want to deny access then you will have ot denty desrire"
Ankk_Ar says, "to deny desire"
Ankk_Ar says, "You"
Berus_nearly_wild says, "and seek an actual solution"
? AJSpans_light says, "even the slightest thing can effect a child........"
Ankk_Ar says, "Van no disprespect intended"
Ankk_Ar says, "light I dont know about that, thay are pretty tough"
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