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Samdallaway



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PostPosted: Fri Feb 20, 2004 9:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well I think I may have to read that one a couple of times to take it all in properly, was up all last night with my little one being sick, so my head is not in gear. Good stuff though, will read it again tomorrow to make sure I took it all in lol.

Goodnight all, need some sleep now Sam.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 20, 2004 10:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi All,

Thanks Micael for the mention, glad to see you are still reading all the posts.

Couple of questions - when you refered to the 12 planets does this mean we are one of them?

Also I'm not sure whether you get to see movies but the spirit within (FF) is very similar to your story is this influence from the 11th plain?

One last comment I think that what ever the reason for telling this story because in your own word that is what you'd like us to treat it as you have a lot of bottle to bring religion into this-bravo. icon_wink.gif

it must have been an honour as to why you were put on the 11th plain straight away ans Alex had to start on the 4th - is there any possiblity on explaining to us all what eacxh plain represents?

keep telling your story, glad you posted again.

Rob,

p.s what was it like to be told of from leki? icon_rolleyes.gif
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 20, 2004 10:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Micheal, I just knew you wouldn't let us down. Somehow we'll get to the end of this story. icon_smile.gif

Everybody have a happy, safe weekend so I don't have to go all 'motherly' on you! icon_razz.gif
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leki



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PostPosted: Sat Feb 21, 2004 1:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Interesting reading although I have to admit talk of space travel and the technology needed does really go over my head.

I don't have anything intelligent to really bring up after reading your last post Michael but one thing I noticed was you mentioned about how ridiculous men landing on the moon would have been not so long ago.

There is a school of thought that says men haven't landed on the moon and there have been several pieces of evidence referred to that would support the theory that the moon landing was all a conspiracy.

Are you telling us that you know men landed on the moon as you make a direct comparison to that and the experiences you have detailed in your story.

Just thinking aloud and it is very late but as I have said before I question everything.

In fact do I even exist!!!
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 21, 2004 2:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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There is a school of thought that says men haven't landed on the moon


I would state that both the 'school' and 'thought' you refer to were as lacking in knowledge of science as they were in the ingenuity of the human race.

No offence intended by this, but you say you 'question everything', but in this area it would seem the questions you are posing are not all that probing.

Anyhow, James Randi (who I unashamedly admire greatly) put it succinctly by writing...


"The Eagle has landed." With those words, Armstrong notified us that we had reached out a quarter of a million miles into space and deposited a living human being on the surface of another planet. An ages-old dream had become a reality, not through charms or prayers, but as the result of hard, dedicated work on the part of highly trained men and women, members of our remarkable species, homo sapiens. Science, not incantations, had accomplished this wonder for us. Our future had been irrevocably changed, and we had the opportunity to forward to a new way of life, one unfettered by superstition and mythology. But along the way, somehow, we fumbled.

Can this present generation in any way understand how important those words were, and how much we have since betrayed the scientific spirit that gave rise to that fantastic adventure? Now, instead of accepting and amplifying the wonders of science and what it has done for us, we are denying its truths and embracing mythology and quackery in its place. No, not all of us are guilty, but I fear that most of us are. Sometimes I feel that Armstrong and his companions, all those brave astronauts, risked their lives just to give us a thrill, and not an example.

We are a unique species, no question about that. We have the means to destroy ourselves--and all the other life on this planet, and others--if we so desire. But we can also move on beyond the Moon to Mars and the stars, if we can get straightened out again in time. Our present preoccupation with pseudoscience, quackery, science bashing, and magical thinking, can completely quench our progress. We cannot allow this to happen.

Folks, we have been to the Moon, and we must not forget this great accomplishment. We have to get our act together, as they say in showbiz, and get onstage.



For those that still believe in any theories which you have come across in relation to the moon landing, then I would SERIOUSLY urge you to take a look at the following page, as it lists the popular conspiracy theories relating to the moon landing and their ill-thought out use of science which may give you the other perspective which I would hope would change the minds who have this belief - or at the very least start questioning the beliefs they held beforehand and weigh up which is the most likely...

http://www.badastronomy.com/bad/tv/foxapollo.html <- Government conspiracy? or complete works of the imagination? Take a look and decide for yourself.

Anyway, you are right it is late and the subject is rather deep, and it's approaching 3.00am - which I read somewhere is close to the popularised time for spirits to appear (it must be true, I read it somewhere), and therefore I will try and make contact... well I have to do something to occupy my mind until Michael gives more details to mull over in my brain icon_wink.gif

Night night for now.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 21, 2004 6:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

morning all.just popped in to leave you this link ( shamelessly snaffled from MH boards icon_biggrin.gif ) it's a really interesting site!!! Hope you like it too.
oh well..time to go to work icon_sad.gif .
Have a safe day folks icon_biggrin.gif
Love,
Pen xx blackbat.gif blackbat.gif


ooops...... oh yeah,the link icon_redface.gif

http://www.ufos-aliens.co.uk/
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 21, 2004 2:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just a quick question folks, what do you all think about Reincarnation?

I mean, is that why certain "spirits" cannot be contacted by us or is there some other reason?

The reason I ask is I am reading a book at the moment about it and would welcome some more input on this subject.

Micheal perhaps you could shed some light on this for me,

Love and light, Sam.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 21, 2004 3:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

“Many sightings and accounts of the paranormal and UFO’s can be explained and found to be clever pranks and experiments carried out by humans.”
You’d know, Mikey.
“They do not adhere to established physical laws. There is no air resistance or physical matter which can impede their travel.”
I was wondering big fella, why your mates split when the American’s opened fire with their weapons?

It has been a busy month for you considering you said just over four weeks ago you...
Posted: Sat Jan 17
“If anyone could help me with this I would appreciate it. Am I here because my body has not been found? If it is found and I have a decent burial then what happens to me afterwards? Some writings refer to the spirit being confused and not knowing how to move on. Move on where?”
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One other thing. The most interesting aspect of the whole “Bonnybridge - Falkirk Triangle” (8,000 UFO sightings!!!! In Bonnybridge!!!! Population - 6,500 approx! eh???) angle of your tale for me must be - “Zal-Us and the Council of Nine”. Apparently an “alien” with an important message to reveal to the whole world. The message was to be revealed at a meeting in Falkirk townhall, one October but (you guessed it) he didn’t show. The local councillor, Billy Buchanan became a laughing stock and lost his position.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 21, 2004 3:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ghost spectic,

I am not going to debate the theories for and against confirmation of the moon landing on this site but I would like to address your comments to me.

Firstly, as you will have read from my first line I did say that space travel and the technology behind it completely go over my head.

Secondly, I did not say that I believe one way or another - I actually said there were schools of thought that stated it had not occurred and that evidence had been put to that.

No offence intended by this, but you say you 'question everything', but in this area it would seem the questions you are posing are not all that probing.

I am afraid offence was taken at this as I do not believe that on an open forum anyone should be discouraged from voicing their opinions or putting forward questions (no matter how insignificant or misguided some may believe them to be) as long as they do not intentionally harm anyone.

However, ghost, this being said, I have studied your link with interest and feel nothing further should be said on the matter and I do not want to drag this thread into the same situation as the other receded into in the past.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 21, 2004 6:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nice post Michael icon_smile.gif. I enjoyed this one more than the last - not sure why...less technical perhaps? Not that you shouldn't pass on technical details. All information gratefully received!

Mooks, this article on Bonnybridge claims 60,000 sightings! --- http://millennium-debate.org/ind13febru.htm. The sky must be crowded up there! I've been to Bonnybridge but don't recall any ufo's....

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 21, 2004 6:25 pm    Post subject: correction Reply with quote

ooops, the link in my last post should be -- http://millennium-debate.org/ind13febru.htm

There, that should work icon_smile.gif
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 21, 2004 8:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Leks, as a frequent poster on another paranormal forum, let me tell you that as SOON as you post some opinion of yours, there is another waiting in the wings to immediately post to say you're wrong! You're wrong! (Haha, couldn't resist, you know me!) Believe everything I say, now Leks, and you will be OK. Good thing you have this forum to set you on the straight and narrow! icon_wink.gif

Seriously, we all should have the right to our own expressions, maybe we could just offer alternate opinions in a more pc manner. Let's be able to discuss all the different ways of feeling, and keep our minds open.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 21, 2004 9:45 pm    Post subject: Unbelievable Reply with quote

Hi all,

Perhaps this is all not so unbelievable after all. Just reading the Daily Mail and it mentions quite a few unreal experiences that are actually true. Here are two of the spookiest.

Three years ago, ten year old Laura Buxton wrote her name and address on a luggage label, attached it to a helium balloon and released it into the clear blue sky above her garden in Burton, Staffordshire. The balloon floated 140 miles until finally coming down to rest. The garden where it landed in Pewsey, Wiltshire, belonged to another little girl - also named Laura Buxton, and also ten years old.

During World War I, a U.S. soldier's troop ship was torpedoed off the French Coast. The man survived, but lost all his possessions. In America, after the war, he was by the seashore near Brooklyn when he found a shaving brush cast up on the shore. It had an army number on the back. Imagine his surprise when it turned out to be his.!!

Just thought Id post this. Nice story again Michael. I look forward to your next one.


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PostPosted: Sat Feb 21, 2004 10:01 pm    Post subject: Hello! Reply with quote

Hello again Michael icon_smile.gif

I'm just wondering if you can give us news about Janet and David, since we haven't heard about them lately? How are they coping with all the new visitors, and you & Jack travelling in space/time? It must be a lot of information for them to take on board; so much happening in their offices. I hope they are doing well and adapting to the new situation. Please give them my regards.

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 21, 2004 10:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Michael, I was wondering, since you're aknowledging me now....I wonder if I might ask a few questions? Are we supposed to be looking for clues in your posts? Are there key words, (again), like a secret game? Sorry, I don't know anything about RPG's, so I'm just curious as to what I'm missing out on. Do you know where the others that started with us have gone? Why aren't they posting, are they forbidden to post? Do you have contact with Spanglo? I know this is alot to ask, forgive me for my curiosity. I don't think I'm the only curious one!
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 21, 2004 10:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_746860.html?menu=
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 21, 2004 11:01 pm    Post subject: Intro Reply with quote

Hi all I just wanted to drop a line as Ive been reading this a while now a not posting. Michael I think you are the bloke I spoke to in the chat room a few weeks ago. I was using the same name there as I have used here.
Your advice was good and thanks for that matey.

Some humour in these threads I like the way its been going.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 21, 2004 11:18 pm    Post subject: My shameful post Reply with quote

Just to clear up my last post to clarify some things...

Apologies if anyones nose was put out of joint with my opinion (particularly 'Leki'), it certainly was not intended, I think if you have a look through my posts (trust me on this one), you will see I have worked damn hard not to be biased and even harder not to offend anyone - I have even attempted light hearted banter.

I had a feeling my comment made in response to Leki may be seen as some form of insult, this is why when I re-read the post I added the line asking for no offence to be taken.

I thought my challenge to your 'I question everything' line was quite fair, but maybe I took you to mean those words literally - after all, how else can I interpret your words of: 'I question everything'?

For the record, from memory I have NEVER EVER discouraged anyone from voicing their opinions or indeed putting forward questions on this board, and certainly did not do so in reaction to your post, why would I? and what right would I have to demand this, I am just a mortal like you after all (or I could be wrong about that) icon_wink.gif

I do however like to debate on occasions, and putting across other points of view such as in your post, and as it may appear - you did not know about the information regarding the other theories relating to the moon landing, so you have hopefully only benefitted from the info, just as others have from the other umpteen links given in these threads from other people.

I gave the thread so you had the choice to read it, I did not command everyone to read it nor believe everything it contained, merely to look at the other side of the coin.

A prime example of what I have been saying here is 'Easyjetters' post regarding the girl and the balloon, there is another side to the coin about that story which I have learned from trudging through the internet, but for the sake of making a story sound incredible - certain details may have been left out by the journalists in this particular story.

Would anyone like to know the possible other side to this story which could POSSIBLY be put into context?

Anyway, back on topic relating to Michael.

I hope you make a re-appearance soon so I can digest more of your story and get indigestion (antacid on standby), I am rambling on far too much here and need more brain curdling info to shut me up!

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PS. 'Poltergiest': Out of curiosity, what chat room were you using?
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 21, 2004 11:40 pm    Post subject: Chat Reply with quote

Yes hello again. It was at www.outerworlds.com and the type of thing you got to downlod and use but at least it was free. He hasnt been there for a while and neither have I because its a bit boring in there without many people.

I beleive in ghosts and UFO and aliens and dont mind admitting it.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 22, 2004 1:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I went to outerworlds.com but i couldn't figure out the controls,oh well ill try tomorrow i'm too tired now ..sleep well all icon_wink.gif
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 22, 2004 2:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ghost, You thoughts on the moon landings, are apprieciated but I think you should visirt this site

http://gallifreyonline.com/unex/viewtopic.php?t=84

There are a lot of people who think that this event never took place (including myself)

There are to many questions that remain unanswered like how come the radiation that coveres the moon never (stratus fear, wrong spelling) had no effect?

leki's comments, did not deserve your anal comments (which were out of character) her post was constructive given the recent events. Maybe you had an off day who knows.

Considering the recent turn of events from ghost story to Sci-fi what are we to expect to think?

Lets keep this into perspective and treat it as it is meant to be A STORY!!!
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 22, 2004 5:22 am    Post subject: Sceptic? Believer? Closed minded? or down-right dimwit? Reply with quote

Oh well, it would seem I am now doomed! I shall prepare my body armour for the upcoming attacks...

Ibeleive:
The 'evidence' in the page you recommended was already covered in the link I gave (albeit without pictorial 'evidence'), and it gave a logical (at least to me) explanation for the oddities someone pointed out there.

The evidence on the site you gave was obtained from a TV programme, now I have not seen this and do not know if they were biased towards a certain argument, but seeing as it was mainly aimed towards proving a conspiracy I will let you work out for yourself what 'experts' they may have called upon to prove their theories.

But seeing as I am not an astrophysics expert, alien or astronaut I cannot give an assured answer that the explanations given by others are true, it comes down to the fact that I trust the word of experts in the field along with the knowledge I have learned in life rather than those who for some reason are unsatisfied about a monumentous human achievement and would rather scream 'conspiracy!' and start up websites saying such.

You say there are too many questions unanswered but in some instances these have been answered over and over again, it seems some people are not satisfied with that answer.

That is the crux of my whole argument, just as the story with Michael, I have always remained open minded, and therefore cannot understand peoples mentality in failing to accept that there COULD BE another explanation for things, and these same people not only don't want to entertain the notion that their belief maybe wrong, they never even look at the other sides evidence.

So in short I am saying I believe what I believe after looking at both sides of the argument and forming an opinion that way, some others unfortunately don't.

I am quite willing to don a dunces cap for being proved wrong about my beliefs but others for some reason would go on with the denial.

As for Leki's and my comments (I don't know why you see them as anal though?), I think Leki is well equipped to answer any 'opinions' I have without anyone elses help and would also add that this is exactly how people get miffed on boards and arguments start, because people get involved in arguments for no reason, in any case I thought it was put to rest... she had an opinion as did I - end of.

DAMN! you see, I have wittled on yet again, I knew that would happen!

I just hope Michael is around as he will no doubt have some person/spirit somewhere that can verify/deny that humans were on the moon...or is it made of cheese? hmmm (rubs chin).

If nothing else these posts have supplied something to read while waiting for Michael.

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 22, 2004 9:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hmm.....

Thanks for the info poltergeist. I checked out www.outerworlds.com a while ago - was this your meeting place, Michael? Since it's a 3-D graphic environment it would be possible to 'build' an office, with laptop (Spanglo said he 'saw' one).

Here's another thing - I came across this link on my surfing travels: http://www.inplainsite.org/html/ufos.html . Some of it sounds remarkably like extracts from your last post, Michael.....icon_smile.gif

Just Me x

PS Morning all! Hope you're having a good weekend!
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 22, 2004 11:22 am    Post subject: Outer Worlds Reply with quote

Hi again. Yes its easy to build what you like. An office and computer would be easy. People build lots of structures and roads and its quite clever how it all works. You are basically a cyber person. Very new I think and something that will catch on in the future maybe. The controls are a bit tricky at first but its not that hard. Lots of kids use it too. Michael was saying that it was nice to be able to see himself and others even though he was using an avatar. I didnt twig it at the time until I read all this stuff but now a lot of what he was talking about made sense. He was with a group of about 5 or 6 others. Mind you I dont think they are going there now. They moved on somewhere else I think. Dreamland or Dreampark? something like that name.

Hi Michael, spanglo and tremorhound and greyhawk if your there.

Going out for a pub lunch today right on the sea front. Now that puts hairs on yer chest just walking there.
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New postPosted: Sun Feb 22, 2004 1:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks again Poltergeist - if I could see you in person I'd buy you a drink, LOL.

Is this the new chatroom, http://www.dreamchat.com/ ? I think I'll go and have a look....seems like MP and friends are moving around a bit. I downloaded the outer worlds software and like the way it looks & feels, but don't like the subscription you have to pay after the free trial. Maybe that's what puts people off (it did seem quiet).

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