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	7	                DENNIS FRANCHINI
	8	having been first duly sworn to tell the truth, the whole
	9	truth, and nothing but the truth, testified as follows:
	10	                  DIRECT EXAMINATION
	11	BY MR. CORGAN:
	12	Q	State your name please, sir.
	13	A	Dennis Franchini.
	14	Q	Mr. Franchini, what is your business, profession or
	15	occupation?
	16	A	I'm an agent with the Oklahoma State Bureau of
	17	Investigation.
	18	Q	And would you tell us, sir, how long you've been
	19	employed in that capacity?
	20	A	Approximately three years.
	21	Q	Mr. Franchini, would you tell us your educational
	22	background, please?
	23	A	I have a Bachelor of Science Degree from Mercy
	24	college in Detroit with a major in business and a dual
	25	major in law enforcement. Also have a Master of Arts
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	1	Degree from Central Michigan University in management
	2	supervision.
	3	Q	And would you tell us please, sir, your law
	4	enforcement training and experience?
	5	A	I spent 16 years with the Detroit Police Department
	6	before coming to Oklahoma and going to work for the
	7	Oklahoma State Bureau of Investigation.
	8	Q	Did you have any specific areas or duties or
	9	responsibilities there?
	10	A	In Detroit?
	11	Q	Yes, sir.
	12	A	I was a street officer and a street supervisor.
	13	Q	What did that entail?
	14	A	Just a wide variety of street duties.
	15	Q	Be what we would call a street patrol officer?
	16	A	Yes, sir.
	17	Q	Now, Mr. Franchini, since you've been employed with
	18	the O.S.B.I., what have been your duties and
	19	responsibilities as an agent with the O.S.B.I.?
	20	A	Investigations.
	21	Q	And could you tell us how many investigations you
	22	have been involved in during the time period of employment
	23	with the O.S.B.I.?
	24	A	A number of them. I can't give you an exact number.
	25	Q	Would it be more or less than a hundred?


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	1	A	Less.
	2	Q	Now, Mr. Franchini, did you have occasion to get
	3	involved in this case?
	4	A	Yes, sir, I did.
	5	Q	And how did you become involved?
	6	A	I received a call from Agent Jim Otte notifying me
	7	that there was a request for O.S.B.I. assistance in
	8	Bartlesville, and Agent Otte and myself proceeded to
	9	Bartlesville.
	10	Q	Now, when you and Mr. Otte came to Bartlesville, did
	11	you come together or did you come separately?
	12	A	We came in the same vehicle -- we came in separate
	13	vehicles.
	14	Q	And when you arrived in Bartlesville, where did you
	15	go?
	16	A	We were met by a Bartlesville officer and taken to a
	17	residence, the crime scene residence.
	18	Q	What time did you arrive here in Bartlesville?
	19	A	I believe it was in the area -- it was early morning.
	20	Some time around four o'clock, I believe.
	21	Q	So it would be around four o'clock on June the 12th?
	22	A	Yes, sir.
	23	Q	Tell me what you did at that time?
	24	A	Upon arrival at the scene we did an initial walk
	25	through of the crime scene.
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	1	Q	Let me stop you right there. When you say a walk
	2	through, what do you mean by that?
	3	A	We went through the crime scene room by room just a
	4	just to see what we were actually looking at in the
	5	crime scene.
	6	Q	Now, when you did this walk through, who was involved
	7	in that with you?
	8	A	There was myself, Agent Otte, and there was a
	9	Bartlesville officer, but I don't recall which one.
	10	Q	How long did that take you?
	11	A	Oh, approximately 15 minutes or so.
	12	Q	As you made your walk through there, what, if any,
	13	observations did you make?
	14	A	Well, we noticed coming into the kitchen area there
	15	was a large pool of what appeared to be blood. There were
	16	stains on the walls, red stains of what appeared to be
	17	blood, there was -- in the living room there was a
	18	bookcase where books had been pulled out and strung on the
	19	floor. There was a broken TV, a broken mirror. There was
	20	a door with a broken window pane. The bedrooms were
	21	basically -- the back bedrooms were basically bedrooms.
	22	One was a child's bedroom, one was probably the master
	23	bedroom. There was a bathroom in the hallway, there was a
	24	bathroom in the master bedroom. There was a spare
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	1	papers and things on top of it. There was a family type
	2	room with children's toys and things like that in it.
	3	Q	After you made your walk through, what did you do at
	4	that time?
	5	A	We went back outside the house and I was assigned the
	6	duties of processing the crime scene along with
	7	Bartlesville Detective Gardella.
	8	Q	Now, Mr. Franchini, when you say processing the crime
	9	scene, what do you mean by that?
	10	A	The gathering of evidence, diagramming, photographing.
	11	Q	Let's talk about that. What did you proceed to do
	12	then?
	13	A	The first thing I proceeded to do was to take
	14	photographs of the area, the entire house, inside and out.
	15	Q	Why did you do that first?
	16	A	I wanted to photograph the scene as it was before
	17	anything was disturbed.
	18	Q	And how much time did you say that would have
	19	entailed as far as that photograph?
	20	A	Well, I'd say probably 45 minutes or maybe a little
	21	bit longer.
	22	Q	After you made your photographs, what did you do
	23	next?
	24	A	We then began -- Detective Gardella and myself then
	25	began to take some measurements and Detective Gardella

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	1	made a crime scene sketch.
	2	Q	And have you had occasion to see that sketch?
	3	A	Yes, I did.
	4	Q	And would that sketch accurately represent the
	5	internal structure of the home and what you observed?
	6	A	Yes, sir, it would.
	7	Q	Now, after you took the measurements and made the
	8	sketch, what did you do then?
	9	A	Then I began to gather evidence and Detective
	10	Gardella followed along with me making a evidence log.
	11	Q	Tell us how you went about that process of gathering
	12	the evidence.
	13	A	Initially -- let me back up a little bit. Before I
	14	actually started to collect the evidence I had gone room
	15	to room to see what rooms contained things of an
	16	evidentiary nature. I saw all the evidence seemed to be
	17	contained in what was the living room and the kitchen area
	18	or dining room.
	19		We then began to collect evidence, and I
	20	collected it on my discretion based on what I thought I
	21	wanted to collect first before it was disturbed or stepped
	22	on or anything else.
	23	Q	Now, what do you mean in your discretion?
	24	A	Well, it was -- I had the choice of how I was going
	25	to collect the evidence. There were certain things I saw
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	1	that I felt I wanted to pick up first. And that's what I
	2	did.
	3	Q	And after you did that, what did you do?
	4	A	As we gathered each piece of evidence we put it in
	5	some type of an evidence sack. I labeled that sack with
	6	what was in there, initialed it and dated it, assigned it
	7	a number. I dictated what I was picking up to Detective
	8	Gardella and he wrote it down on the evidence log with the
	9	corresponding number.
	10	Q	Now, as you collected this evidence, did you have
	11	anything over your hands?
	12	A	Yes, sir. I had rubber gloves on.
	13	Q	What was the purpose in wearing those rubber gloves?
	14	A	So as not to contaminate any of the evidence and also
	15	to protect myself in handling the blood.
	16	Q	Now, Mr. Franchini, at my request have you had
	17	occasion to sit down with the transparency of the crime
	18	scene and prepare another transparency with numbers on
	19	that?
	20	A	Yes, sir, I have.
	21	Q	And what was the purpose in doing that?
	22	A	In order to show the approximate location of the
	23	evidence I picked up.
	24	Q	And is that what you have done in regard to the other
	25	 transparency?

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	1	A	Yes, sir.
	2			MR. CORGAN: Your Honor, at this time we'd
	3	ask to show the other transparency so that officer -- Mr.
	4	Franchini might explain what items they did collect.
	5			THE COURT: Go ahead.
	6	Q (By Mr. Corgan) Mr. Franchini, other than not
	7	having it straight on the screen, I apparently do have
	8	those two things lined up as they should be?
	9	A	Yes, sir. That appears to be correct.
	10	Q	Sir, I believe you told us that you made some type of
	11	record as to the various items that you took, is that
	12	correct?
	13	A	Well, I labeled them on the bags as I seized them and
	14	put them in the bags, yes.
	15	Q	Okay. Well, other than that labeling on the bags,
	16	was there any record made?
	17	A	Yes, there was, by Detective Gardella.
	18	Q	And what was that? -
	19	A	That was the evidence log which I dictated to him as
	20	I picked up the evidence.
	21	Q	And do you have that with you today?
	22	A	No, sir. I don't have a copy with me.
	23	Q	Can you tell us by number what each one of those
	24	items are that you seized and what they represent?
	25	A	I would have to refer to the report.

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	1	Q	And would that refresh your memory as to that?
	2	A	Yes, sir.
	3			MR. CORGAN: Your Honor, we'd ask that we
	4	be allowed to furnish him that log.
	5			THE COURT: Go ahead.
	6	Q (By Mr. Corgan) Mr. Franchini, I've just handed you
	7	a document that's marked evidence list. Do you recognize
	8	that?
	9	A	Yes, sir, I do.
	10	Q	What would that be?
	11	A	This would be the evidence log that I dictated to
	12	Detective Gardella.
	13	Q	All right, sir. Would you take the pointer located
	14	to your right up on the bench and would you go through in
	15	numerical order each item on the chart and explain to us
	16	what it was you took?
	17	A	Okay. Item number 1 is here in the kitchen sink I
	18	took two towels, a dish cloth, a piece of gauze and a
	19	piece of paper, all containing red stains.
	20		Number two here was a gold man's watch with
	21	red stains. Number three, four and five are not on here
	22	because they were on the dining room table, but I don't
	23	recall the exact location on the dining room table.
	24	Q	Tell us what item three was.
	25	A	Item number three was a hair brush with a red stain

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	1	on the handle. Number four was a piece of yellow paper
	2	with names, addresses and phone numbers, and number five
	3	was a clear plastic ziplock bag with red stains.
	4		Number six was a roll of white paper on a
	5	calculator that was sitting on the dining room table.
	6	Number sever were magazines and newspapers also containing
	7	red stains which were on the dining room table. Eight was
	8	a phone directory or rolodex type card from the kitchen
	9	counter. Number nine was a glass sample that I took from
	10	the TV screen in the living room.
	11	Q	Now, what was the purpose in taking that particular
	12	glass sample?
	13	A	I took that was a known sample of a piece of glass
	14	from the TV screen.
	15	Q	Okay. Now, Mr. Franchini, explain to us what you
	16	mean when you refer to something as a known sample and why
	17	you would take a known sample.
	18	A	A known sample, by taking a known sample of the glass
	19	from the TV screen I can submit that to the lab which they
	20	can use for comparison purposes knowing that that piece of
	21	glass actually came from the TV screen. They can compare
	22	it to other glass that may be submitted.
	23	Q	Please continue.
	24	A	Number 10 is a glass sample that I took from the
	25	living room mirror, which it's number 10 but the mirror

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	1	would have actually be directly behind the TV on the wall.
	2	Q	Now, again, would that be what you're calling a known
	3	sample?
	4	A	Yes, sir.
	5	Q	Okay.
	6	A	Number 11 were glass fragments from the carpet, the
	7	living room carpet in front of the TV. Number 12 were
	8	 glass fragments from the living room carpet near the patio
	9	 door. This would be the patio door here, the door leading
	10	out to the patio off of the living room. Number 13 is a
	11	piece of glass which I took from a fireplace ledge which
	12	would be behind these doors.
	13	Q	Now, that item number 13, would that be what's known
	14	 as a known sample?
	15	 A	No, sir, it wouldn't. It would just be a piece of
	16	glass that I found on the ledge not knowing exactly where
	17	it came from.
	18	Q	Please continue.
	19	A	Number 14 was a charms blow pop wrapper that I found
	20	laying on the living room floor. Number 15 were two
	21	wooden sticks, like sticks of f of a twig, you know, just
	22	sticks laying on the living room carpet in front of the
	23	TV. Number 16 was a pair of fingernail clippers, which
	24	were on the living room carpet in the area of the TV.
	25	Number 17 was a pink towel with red stains that I took

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1	from the living carpet west of the TV. Number 18 is a
2	glass sample or, again, a known sample that I took from
3	the broken pane in the inner door leading out to the
4	patio. Number 19 is a glass fragment that I found on the
5	couch cushion, and it would have been approximately ten
6	feet nine inches from the front of the TV. Number 20 was
7	the dining room curtain from the north end of the east
8	window in the dining room, and it also had red stains on
9	it. Number 21 was a sample of the red stain from the
10	kitchen sink.
11	Q	Now, let me ask you about that, Mr. Franchini. How
12	do you take a sample of a stain? What is the process
13	involved with that?
14	A	If it were to be dried, what appears to be blood or
15	dried stain, I would scrape it with a razor blade into
16	some type of what we call a paper bindle or a piece of
17	paper folded to form like a tray. Scrape the scrapings
18	into that bindle, fold that bindle and place it inside an
19	evidence envelope and seal it. The -- using a clean razor
20	blade for each stain or each sample of stain that I took.
21	Q	Now -- I'm sorry. Go ahead.
22	A	And depositing the razor blade in with the stain.
23	Q	First off, why do you use a clean razor blade each
24	time, and then secondly, why do you put the razor blade in
25	with your sample?

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1	A	Clean razor blade is used each time so as not to
2	contaminate the next stain that you may be scraping. The
3	razor blade then goes in with the scrapings so that the
4	lab sometimes can get additional scrapings of blood from
5	the edge of that razor blade.
6	Q	Please continue with items 22.
7	A	22 is a sample of a red stain from the kitchen floor
8	near the west end of this east/west counter. Number 23 is
9	a piece of what appeared to be red stained bone matter
10	from the dining room floor in the middle of this large --
11	this large stain. 24 is a sample of the red stain itself.
12	25 is a green rug with red stains, a yellow towel with red
13	stains, and a rust towel with red stains taken from within
14	this large mass. 26 was a lady's gold watch with a black
15	band that were found beneath the rug and the towels and
16	the watch had red stains on the back of it. 27is a
17	sample of a red stain from a telephone handset that's here
18	on the wall. 28 --
19	Q	Excuse me. Let me stop you for just a second. Go
20	back to some of those items in and around the area of the
21	pool, I think. I believe like 24, 25 and 26 were towels,
22	is that correct?
23	A	No, 24 was just a sample of a red stain.
24	Q	Okay. What's 25 and 26?
25	A	25, which I took together, was a green rug, a yellow

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1	towel and a rust towel all soaked with some type of red
2	stain.
3	Q	Now, Mr. Franchini, in regard to those items, why
4	didn't you just do like you did with the other stains and
5	scrape something off and just take a stain from those
6	items?
7	A	Because, for one thing, they were still wet and
8	because of the large amount of the stain I felt it would
9	be more beneficial to submit the entire cloth to the lab
10	for analysis.
11	Q	I'm sorry. I interrupted you. I think you were
12	around item 27.
13	A	Okay. 27, again, was the red stain from the
14	telephone handset. 28 is a sample of a red stain from the
15	east half of the north wall of the dining room. 29 is a
16	sample of a red stain from the dry wall on the west half
17	of the north wall of the dining room. 30 is a sample of a
18	red stain from a chair which was overturned here in the
19	living room. 31 was a sample of a red stain from the west
20	dry wall that's north of the china cabinet here. 32 is a
21	sample of the red stain which was between the kitchen and
22	the dining room. 33 is a sample of the red stain taken
23	from the front of the china cabinet. 34 were two green
24	plant leaves which were given to me by Agent Otte. 35
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1	the TV screen here in the living room. 36, which would be
2	over here, is a claw hammer with a black handle that was
3	in the tool box in the corner of the garage here. 37,
4	which would be right over here, is a Sonic receipt which I
5	took from the right front passenger seat of a blue
6	Oldsmobile four door bearing Oklahoma tab 0GT919. 38 is a
7	brown Dillards bag with a bottle of Arimis antiperspirant
8	and a receipt. And that was taken from the floorboard of
9	the Oldsmobile, the blue Oldsmobile. 39 were two pieces
10	of glass with possible red stains that I removed from the
11	broken window here or broken window pane in this door
12	leading out to the patio. 40 is a motel bill which was
13	recovered for Room 114, no motel name, made out in the
14	name of Sandra Jo Allen, which I took from a white purse
15	that was here on the counter. 41 was a pocket calendar
16	book that was also taken from the white purse. 42 is the
17	wooden chair which was overturned in the living room that
18	contained numerous red stains on the bottom. 43 was a
19	pair of scissors that I found in an office out here that
20	had appeared to have some type of stain on them, and 44
21	was a piece of what appears to be bone matter found on the
22	carpet here on the rug in front of the kitchen sink.
23	Q	How far would that, as best you can tell us, how far
24	would the location of that object be from his circle of
25	what you -- what's been designated as blood?

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1	A	From here?
2	Q	Yes, sir.
3	A	To here?
4	Q	Right.
5	A	Oh, 15 or 20 feet maybe.
6	Q	And would that complete then, as far as in and around
7	the house, the items that you took or were given to you?
8	A	At that time, yes, sir.
9	Q	Mr. Franchini, let me hand you, sir, what's been
10	marked and admitted as State's Exhibit No. 5. I'll let
11	you keep this in case you need to refer to it.
12	A	Okay.
13	Q	Would you tell us what that is?
14	A	Yes, sir. That's the kitchen area, the kitchen sink
15	area in the Allen residence.
16	Q	And do you know who took that photograph?
17	A	I believe I did.
18	Q	All right, sir. And what does that show in that
19	kitchen area there?
20	A	It shows a kitchen sink with some dirty dishes in it.
21	It shows what appears to be a dish towel or something on
22	the upper part of the sink. There's a white purse laying
23	on the counter. You can also see some canisters in the
24	photo, a picture of a man and a woman and a small child on
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1	window ledge, and some staining on the sink and on the
2	formica right in front of the sink.
3	Q	Now, in regard to that white purse that you see in
4	that photograph, what, if any, relationship does that have
5	to the purse that you previously told us about?
6	A	That would be the white purse that I removed the
7	motel bill from and the pocket calendar book.
8	Q	Now, Mr. Franchini, did you, as a part of your
9	processing of the crime scene there, seize that white
10	purse?
11	A	No, sir, I did not?
12	Q	Why not?
13	A	There didn't appear to be any reason to seize it. It
14	didn't appear to have been gone through. The wallet was
15	still in there. Didn't appear that the wallet had been
16	gone through so I didn't feel it was of an evidentiary
17	nature.
18	Q	Now, I believe you told us that you had occasion to
19	take photographs of the various areas of the house, is
20	that correct?
21	A	That's correct, sir.
22	Q	Mr. Franchini, I'll hand you a folder that has some
23	items in it that have been respectively marked State's
24	Exhibits 7 through 48. Without displaying those to the
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1	for the record if you're familiar with what those are?
2	A	Yes, sir. I know what they are.
3	Q	What are those items?
4	A	Those are the photographs that I took at the crime
5	scene.
6	Q	And would those truly and accurately depict the scene
7	as you saw it when those photographs were taken?
8	A	Yes, sir, they would.
9			MR. CORGAN: All right. At this time we
10	would move the admission of State's 7 through 48. I can
11	either wait, since counsel hasn't had a chance to review
12	those, or I have some other question I can go into.
13	However the court prefers.
14			MR. CARLSON: He can go ahead.
15	Q (By Mr. Corgan) Mr. Franchini, I notice as you went
16	through your list that up to about item number 30 you
17	appeared to be taking what I will call physical items,
18	towels, glass, sticks, those type things. And then
19	starting with item number 41 it appears for the most part
20	you're taking stains. Would you agree with that?
21	A	That's basically correct, yes, sir.
22	Q	Was there any reason for you taking those items in
23	that particular order?
24	A	I seized the nonstain items first so they didn't get
25	disturbed or get lost in the shuffle.

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1	Q	And why were the stained items saved for later?
2	A	Because they were already dried stains and they
3	weren't likely to be disturbed. There would be no problem
4	for me to go back and scrape and take stain samples.
5	Q	What time of day was it at this point that you were
6	taking these samples and taking these items into your
7	custody?
8	A	Oh. it would be morning. We were in the house for a
9	period of time so it would have extended over several
10	hours.
11	Q	And who was involved in doing that?
12	A	In the collecting of the evidence?
13	Q	Yes, sir.
14	A	Myself and Detective Gardella.
15	Q	Was there anyone else involved in the process?
16	A	As far as collecting those items there?
17	Q	Yes, sir.
18	A	No, sir.
19	Q	Was there anyone else in the house during that time
20	period?
21	A	I don't recall if -- there may have been somebody
22	 standing back in the utility room talking. There was
23	nobody that was interfering with our collecting of the
24	evidence.
25	Q	Now, I notice that, oh, say when we get to -- I can't

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1	read the number from here. I think it's 42 or 43, items
2	you took from the purse. You took those later after you
3	took the stains. Why is that?
4	A	Well, the purse didn't seem to be significant so when
5	I got that far then I looked in the purse to see if it
6	appeared that anything was missing or just what was in the
7	purse.
8	Q	And why did you determine at that point to take those
9	 items that you did take?
10	A	You mean out of the purse?
11	Q	Yes.
12	A	Well, we didn't really know what we had at the time
13	so the motel bill, we didn't know where the motel was or
14	why there was a motel bill in there, and the calendar book
15	I took later to look through and see if there were any
16	significant notations in it.
17			MR. CARLSON: We have no objection.
18			THE COURT: State's 7 through 48 allowed
19	then.
20	Q (By Mr. Corgan) Mr. Franchini, I'll hand you now
21	what's been admitted as State's Exhibits 7 through 48.
22	And I'd like you, sir, if you would go through those
23	numerically and display them in such a way as best they
24	can the jury might be able to see those and explain to
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1	where that corresponds on our chart.
2	A	The first picture is a ladder in the garage which is
3	the normal pull down ladder that people have in their
4	garages leading up to a storage area, and that ladder
5	would have been approximately right here in the garage.
6	Q	Mr. Franchini, if you will, as you go through each
7	photograph, would you first identify that by number.
8	A	By state's exhibit?
9	Q	Yes.
10	A	This is State's Exhibit No. 7.
11	Q	Okay.
12	A	State's Exhibit No. 8 would be a shot from the garage
13	looking into the utility room. It would be looking
14	through this door right here into the utility room from
15	back here in the garage.
16		State's Exhibit No. 9 would be standing in
17	the utility room, in the utility room looking into the
18	kitchen, the kitchen area.
19		State's Exhibit No. 10 would be the kitchen
20	area approximately right here, this area right in here.
21	You can see the edge of the counter and the refrigerator.
22	That would be approximately right in there.
23		State's Exhibit No. 11 is an old school
24	desk, and it has some envelopes and looks like a child's
25	toy gun. The envelopes have some red stains on it. This

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1	desk would have been located approximately right here near
2	the china cabinet.
3		State's Exhibit No. 12 shows the wall which
4	would be above the china cabinet. You can see the top of
5	the china cabinet there. That would be this china
6	cabinet, and that white area would be the dry wall above
7	that china cabinet.
8	Q	What was your purpose in taking that particular
9	photograph?
10	A	Well, because of the red staining on the wall.
11		State's Exhibit No. 13 is, again, another shot of the wall
12	area which would be over here by the china cabinet. And,
13	again, I took that photograph because of the red staining
14	on the wall.
15		State's Exhibit No. 14 is a part of the
16	front of the china cabinet. This china cabinet right
17	here. And I took this because of the red staining on the
18	glass on the china cabinet. -
19		State's Exhibit No. 15 is another shot of
20	 the china cabinet and the wall area over here. Again, I
21	took this photograph because of the red staining on the
22	glass on the china cabinet and the red staining on the
23	wall.
24		State's Exhibit No. 16 is the wall area
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1	I've tacked up on the wall there for some reference. And,
2	again, I took this photograph because of the red staining
3	on the wall.
4		State's Exhibit No. 17 would be the wall
5	 area right here and above this doorway right here which
6	leads into what appears to be some type of a play room or
7	den area. It had children's toys in there. And, again, I
8	took this photograph to show the red staining on the
9	walls.
10		State's Exhibit No. 18 would be the wall
11	area right here. And, again, I took this photograph to
12	show the red staining on the wall.
13		State's Exhibit No. 19 is, again, a portion
14	of this wall. And, again, I took this photograph to show
15	the red staining.
16	Q	Mr. Franchini, what is the difference between that
17	exhibit and the exhibit immediately preceding that?
18	A	This shot was taken from further away. This one was
19	taken closer up.
20	Q	Okay. What was the one taken further away? What's
21	that exhibit number?
22	A	Exhibit No. 18.
23	Q	And then 19 would be what?
24	A	19 would be a close up of that same wall.
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1	you try to identify for the record the area on the chart
2	you're referring to as well as best you can, what room and
3	what area of that room?
4	A	Yes, sir. State's Exhibit No. 20 is a close up shot
5	of this wall area, which would be in the dining room here.
6	There's two doors here and these walls divide the living
7	room from the dining room. This is another close up shot
8	of that wall again taken to show the red staining on the
9	wall.
10		State's Exhibit No. 21 is another shot of
11	some of the red staining again on this same dining room
12	wall.
13		State's Exhibit No. 22 shows the fire alarm
14	or smoke alarm and a portion of the wall and ceiling which
15	would be above this doorway right here that's the doorway
16	between the kitchen or dining room area and the living
17 	room area. And, again, I took that photograph to show the
18	red staining.
19		State's Exhibit No. 23 is another shot
20	taken from a little further back of this same area above
21	the doorway and a little more of the ceiling. Again,
22	taken to show the red staining.
23		State's Exhibit No. 24 would be a shot of
24	the wall and a portion of this doorway. It would be a
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1	Q	What wall direction wise would that be?
2	A	That would be the northeast wall.
3	Q	Okay.
4	A	In the dining area. And, again, taken to show the
5	red staining. You can see a little bit of the doorway
6	which would be this portion of the door frame over there
7	and this portion of the wall.
8		State's Exhibit No. 25 is another shot of
9	this same northeast wall with a ruler tacked -- that I
10	tacked onto the wall just for a frame of reference, again
11	to show the red staining on the wall.
12		State's Exhibit No. 26 is another
13	photograph of a portion of the northeast wall there, again
14	taken to show some of the red staining on that wall.
15		State's Exhibit No. 27 is this area right
16	over here, the counter area and the telephone hanging on
17	the wall. That photo was again taken to show the red
18	staining on the telephone. 
19		State's Exhibit No. 28 is a close up shot
20	of that same telephone that was in the previous photograph
21	which hung on the wall right here.
22		State's Exhibit No. 29 is this dining room
23	table, and it would be more less this end of the dining
24	room table. And it shows some staining on the table. You
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1	on a magazine and newspaper which were laying on this
2	table approximately in this area.
3		State's Exhibit No. 30 is what is a candle
4	and what looks like a container to store cookies or
5	something in and a piece of newspaper on this dining room
6	table. And, again, taken to show the red staining on
7	those items and on the table.
8		State's Exhibit No. 31 is a hairbrush that
9	was found on the dining room table with the photo taken to
10	show the red staining on the handle of the hairbrush.
11		State's Exhibit No. 32 is that same
12	container and candle and part of the dining room table,
13	again taken to show the staining on those items and on the
14	table.
15		State's Exhibit No. 33 shows a calculator,
16	stapler, ziplock bag and a magazine and part of the dining
17	room table, again taken to show the red staining on those
18	items and on the table.
19		State's Exhibit No.34 is a shot of this
20	large mass of red stain on the kitchen floor or dining
21	room area. It's a combination of kitchen dining room. It
22	would be right in this area right here.
23		State's Exhibit No. 35 is, again, a close
24	up of this area, the large mass. You can see the towels
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1	laying in there.
2		State's Exhibit No. 36 is the floor area
3	approximately in this area with a ruler that I've placed
4	on the floor taken to show the red staining in this area
5	right here.
6		State's Exhibit No. 37 is, again, the floor
7	area here. You'll be able to see the legs of one of the
8	chairs, the ruler that I've placed on the floor, and again
9	taken to show the red staining on the floor.
10		State's Exhibit No. 38 is this TV with the
11	broken screen found in the living room approximately in
12	this area right here.
13	Q	Now, can you tell us, sir, I believe you took some
14	type of stain or sample from that, is that correct?
15	A	Yes, sir, I did.
16	Q	And is that shown anywhere on State's Exhibit 38?
17	A	Yes, sir. Yes, it is.
18	Q	Would you point out to the jury the area you're
19	talking about?
20	A	Approximately right there you can see a small red
21	stain.
22	Q	Thank you. Please continue.
23	A	State's Exhibit No. 39 is the mirror which was
24	located on the wall directly behind this TV in the living
25	room.

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1		State's Exhibit No. 40 would be -- shows
2	part of the outer door and inner door and part of the
3	fireplace ledge here. It shows the inner door with the
4	broken window pane.
5		State's Exhibit No. 41 is a close up of
6	that same door and same broken window pane, which is
7	located here off of the living room and leads onto the
8	patio.
9	Q	Now, in regard to State's Exhibit No. 41, is that
10	view taken the same way as the view in State's Exhibit 40?
11	A	No. They're taken from opposite sides of the door.
12	Q	So where are you looking in regard to State's Exhibit
13	41?
14	A	In this one I would be looking through the door out
15	towards the patio. State's Exhibit 42 shows a piece of
16	glass that was found on the fireplace ledge here behind
17	this door that leads out to the patio. The piece of glass
18	being right there.
19		State's Exhibit No. 43 shows pieces of
20	glass here and here, some here, which is on the carpet in
21	the area of this door that leads out to the patio.
22		State's Exhibit No. 44 shows this patio
23	door. You can see the edge of the inner door. This is
24	the outer screen door that goes out here onto the patio
25	area. It shows that door and a fly swatter that's laying

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	1	in between.
	2		State's Exhibit 45 shows the screen door or
	3	outer door here that leads out onto the patio from the
	4	living room area.
	5	Q	Mr. Franchini, in regard to State's Exhibit No. 45,
	6	if you'll look at that, I'd like to direct your attention
	7	to that faceboard that's adjacent to that door. Did you
	8	do any sort of sampling or examination of that?
	9	A	Are you talking about this board here?
	10	Q	Yes, sir.
	11	A	No, sir, I didn't.
	12	Q	Okay.
	13	A	State's Exhibit 46 shows this bedroom which was a
	14	spare bedroom, combination bedroom and looked like sewing
	15	room. There was a desk over here in that bedroom. The
	16	desk containing what appeared to be bank statements and
	17	various other papers and a credit card.
	18	Q	Now, why was that photograph taken?
	19	A	I took this photograph to show that the -- if someone
	20	had been in there that they didn't pick up the credit card
	21	that was laying out there in plain view.
	22	Q	All right.
	23	A	State's Exhibit No. 47 is a photograph taken from
	24	outside on the patio showing this patio door, this outer
	25	patio door. It would have been taken from out here on the

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	1	patio area.
	2		State's Exhibit No. 48 is a shot, again, of
	3	this patio door taken from a little different angle, taken
	4	from over here. That's all.
	5	Q	May I borrow your evidence list for just a second.
	6	Mr. Franchini, in addition to the processing of the scene
	7	that you have done, the collection of the evidence you've	
	8	told us about and the photographs that you have taken, did
	9	you do any examination or work in regard to
	10	fingerprinting?
	11	A	Yes, sir, I did.
	12	Q	And would you tell us what you did in that regard and
	13	where you did it?
	14	A	Using fingerprint dust I checked for prints on this
	15	inner patio door and also the door that leads outside into
	16	the yard area from the utility room, which would have been
	17	on the east side of the house.
	18	Q	Tell us what exactly you did, the process of that,
	19	and what you were attempting to do with that process.
	20	A	Using fingerprint dust and a brush I brushed
	21	fingerprint dust all up and down this door, along the door
	22	handle, on the wood portion of the door. I did the same
	23	on this door here and attempting to locate or bring up any
	24	fingerprints that might be on there.
	25	Q	Tell us how that works and how you can determine if

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	1	you had some.
	2	A	You would be able to see the ridge detail of the
	3	prints if they were there, and you could bring them up.
	4	You would see the ridge detail and you could the lift
	5	those prints and submit -- or what portion of the prints
	6	you had, if you only had a portion, and submit it to the
	7	lab for comparison or to hold for comparison purposes.
	8	Q	What do you mean by you could make the ridges come
	9	up?
	10	A	You would be able to see -- if you look at your hand
	11	you can see the ridge detail in your tips of your fingers.
	12	Q	What do you mean by ridge details?
	13	A	The lines.
	14	Q	Okay.
	15	A	The lines. You would be able to see the lines.
	16	Those same lines would show up on what you were trying to
	17	dust.
	18	Q	And then if those ridges-come up, what do you do
	19	then?
	20	A	Then using lifting tape you put it over there, lift
	21	that and place it on an index card and put that index card
	22	in an evidence envelope and submit it to the fingerprint
	23	section.
	24	Q	What is lift tape?
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	1	tape, but it's actually used for lifting fingerprints.
	2	That's what it's made for.
	3	Q	Now, as you dusted this powder on, did any ridges
	4	develop?
	5	A	No, sir.
	6	Q	So did you take any what you've called lifts?
	7	A	No, sir.
	8	Q	So did you submit any type of lifts or tapes to the
	9	lab in regard to those areas for analysis?
	10	A	No, sir, I did not.
	11	Q	And why not?
	12	A	I didn't have any.
	13	Q	Now, Mr. Franchini, if I say chain of evidence, chain
	14	of custody of evidence, does that mean something to you?
	15	A	Yes, sir.
	16	Q	And what does that mean to you?
	17	A	That's the chronological order in which evidence is
	18	was handled and by whom it was handled.
	19	Q	And were you involved in some way in the chain of
	20	evidence or chain of custody of evidence in this case?
	21	A	Yes, sir.
	22	Q	And would you tell us what you did in that regard?
	23	A	When I collected the evidence at the scene, when we
	24	were finished processing the scene I placed all the
	25	evidence I had gathered in the trunk of my bureau vehicle.

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	1	That evidence was transported to the O.S.B.I. office in
	2	Tulsa where I secured it in our evidence room. The next
	3	day I gathered up all the evidence that needed to go to
	4	the lab, placed it in the trunk of my bureau vehicle. I
	5	went to the medical examiner's office and picked up any
	6	evidence that he had over there, placed that in the trunk
	7	of my vehicle and transported all the evidence to our
	8	laboratory in Tahlequah.
	9	Q	Tell me a little bit about your evidence room there
	10	in Tulsa, what its purpose is and who has access and who
	11	doesn't.
	12	A	It's a secured room. It has two locks. It has a
	13	handle lock and it has a dead bolt on it. All evidence is
	14	stored in that room either until court or, if it has to go
	15	the lab, until it's transported to the lab or until the
	16	case is adjudicated and the evidence is returned to the
	17	requesting authority. The keys are kept in the
	18	supervisors desk. You have to ask the supervisor for the
	19	keys to go into the room if you want to get any evidence.
	20	The only ones that have access to that room are the agents
	21	in the office.
	22	Q	And was that what was done in this particular case
	23	with the items of evidence that you had?
	24	A 	Yes, sir.
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	1	took from this scene, is that correct?
	2	A	That's correct.
	3	Q	And items you received from the medical examiner?
	4	A	That's correct.
	5	Q	Did you receive any other items for transportation to
	6	the laboratory in Tahlequah?
	7	A	Yes, sir, I did.
	8	Q	And what were those items?
	9	A	There was some paper towels and a hammer which had
	10	been seized by Agent Otte and also secured in the evidence
	11	room when I secured the evidence I had in the room.
	12	Q	And when was that done?
	13	A	That was on June the 12th.
	14	Q	And then what was done in regard to the hammer and
	15	towels after that?
	16	A	The next day when I gathered up all of my evidence I
	17	also gathered up the hammer and the paper towel and took
	18	that as well as all the other evidence to the lab.
	19	Q	I believe you mentioned something -- one of your
	20	items there in the, I'll call the room that has the sofa
	21	in it, as a dining room chair?
	22	A	Yes, sir.
	23	Q	What number is that, and I'll give you your list back
	24	so you can tell us.
	25	A	That would be item number 42 right here.

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	1	Q	Can you further describe that to us?
	2	A	Well, it looked like your typical dining room chair.
	3	It matched the other chairs that were in here around the
	4	dining room table.
	5	Q	Now, did you take that item from the house along with
	6	other items to the office there in Tulsa?
	7	A	No, sir, I did not take the chair?
	8	Q	Why not?
	9	A	Well, at the time I didn't have room in my car to put
	10	it in my car at that time.
	11	Q	Did you have any further contact with that chair
	12	other than the processing that you did with it there at
	13	the scene?
	14	A	No, sir.
	15			MR. CORGAN: I believe that's all.
	16			THE COURT: Any of you on the jury need a
	17	break before we start the cross-examination? Let's take a
	18	recess then. About 10 minute-break please.
	19		(A BRIEF RECESS WAS HAD. AFTER WHICH THE
	20		FOLLOWING PROCEEDINGS WERE  HAD:)
	21			THE COURT: All right. Show the jury's
	22	back present. Mr. Carlson, you may proceed with your
	23	questions.
	24	----------------------------------------------------------------------------
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	1	BY MR. CARLSON:
	2	Q	Mr. Franchini, if I use the word trace evidence, can
	3	you tell me what that means to you?
	4	A	Hairs, fibers, minute things like that.
	5	Q	Okay. Basically trace evidence is things that we
	6	refer to in a crime scene investigation, things that you
	7	may not be able to see, isn't that correct?
	8	A	That's correct.
	9	Q	Or things that are small enough that they may be
	10	visible to the naked eye but you may overlook, isn't that
	11	correct?
	12	A	That's correct.
	13	Q	And let me ask you, sir, this particular house had
	14	carpet in it in at least two rooms, did it not?
	15	A	Yes, sir.
	16	Q	Also it had carpet in some of the bedrooms, did it
	17	not?
	18	A	Yes, sir.
	19	Q	And you know, do you not, sir, from your experience,
	20	that one of the ways that you can pick out trace evidence
	21	is to vacuum that carpet, isn't that correct?
	22	A	That's correct.
	23	Q	And in this particular case you, nor anyone to your
	24	knowledge on behalf of law enforcement, vacuumed that
	25	carpet, did they?

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	1	A	Not to my knowledge, no, sir.
	2	Q	All right. Those particular type of vacuum
	3	mechanisms that they use in crime scene investigations
	4	have a catch mechanism, do they not, where you can catch
	5	those particular items?
	6	A	I would assume. I'm not familiar with the vacuums
	7	that the lab uses.
	8	Q	All right. Now, some examples of trace evidence --
	9	you've given me some, but would you agree with me some
	10	other examples might be, for instance, a piece out of a
	11	watch?
	12	A	It's possible, yes.
	13	Q	A small metal item off of a belt buckle?
	14	A	Could be.
	15	Q	A contact lens could also be trace evidence?
	16	A	Could be.
	17	Q	Anything that the human body will lose. Agree with
	18	that?
	19	A	Yes, sir.
	20	Q	Especially that's possible where there's a sign of a
	21	struggle, is it not?
	22	A	Yes, sir.
	23	Q	Okay. Sir, with regard to sidelighting, are you
	24	familiar with the term called sidelighting?
	25	A	No, sir.

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	1	Q	And if I said to you, sir, that it's possible to use,
	2	in crime scene investigations, a rather powerful light to
	3	shine across various areas and shine across various items
	4	so that you can better see physical evidence, would you
	5	agree with me that that's possible to do that?
	6	A	It's possible, I guess, yes.
	7	Q	Have you ever seen that done?
	8	A	No, sir.
	9	Q	With regard to fingerprints in this particular case,
	10	if I understood you, you attempted to lift prints from the
	11	patio door and you attempted to lift prints off of the
	12	utility door, is that correct?
	13	A	Yes, sir. The utility door going out to the patio,
	14	yes.
	15	Q	But you did not attempt to lift any prints off of the
	16	TV, did you?
	17	A	No, sir.
	18	Q	You didn't attempt to lift any prints off of the
	19	telephone?
	20	A	No, sir.
	21	Q	As a matter of fact, there weren't any physical
	22	items, other than those two doors, where any prints were
	23	dusted or attempted to lift from, isn't that correct?
	24	A	That's correct.
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	1	you obtained no fingerprints, is that correct?
	2	A	Yes, sir. I didn't lift any prints. There were
	3	none.
	4	Q	Now, are there other ways, sir, to lift fingerprints
	5	other than by the use of dust?
	6	A	I suppose there are. I can't say for sure. I'm not
	7	a fingerprint expert.
	8	Q	All right. That's the only way that you do it is
	9	with dust?
	10	A	Yes, sir.
	11	Q	With regard to the particular items that you picked
	12	up inside the residence, and by physical evidence, sir, I
	13	mean the TV, I mean small items, were they photographed in
	14	place close up before you removed them?
	15	A	Yes, sir.
	16	Q	Was every item that you picked up photographed before
	17	you moved it? I did not see that in the crime scene
	18	photographs.
	19	A	I don't recall.
	20	Q	And by, I mean, close up, I mean, for instance,
	21	before you would take something off of the carpet that you
	22	would photograph it to preserve what it looked like close
	23	up.
	24	A	Yes. Yes, sir.
	25	Q	Did you use any close up lenses?

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	1	A	No, sir.
	2	Q	Now, when you performed your particular -- Let me
	3	back up just a minute. Could I refer you to your evidence
	4	list. Let me back up just a minute.
	5	A	Did you?
	6	Q	Do you have a copy of that?
	7	A	No, sir, I don't.
	8	Q	Let me hand you a copy so I don't have you at a
	9	disadvantage. Sir, with regard to your evidence list,
	10	let's start at say page or item 27, and could you just
	11	tell me the particular rooms that you were in from 27 say
	12	down through 33?
	13	A	Do you want me to tell you what they are?
	14	Q	I don't need the item, I just need to know the room.
	15	A	It would have been the kitchen/dining room area for
	16	27. The dining room for 28. The dining room for 29. The
	17	living room for 30. The dining area for 31. I'm sorry.
	18	How far did you want to go? -
	19	Q	Just down to 33 or 32.
	20	A	32 would be the kitchen/dining room area. 33 would
	21	be the kitchen/dining room area.
	22	Q	As I look at your list it appears to me, sir, that
	23	what you were doing was going back and forth between
	24	rooms, isn't that correct?
	25	A	From time to time I did, yes, sir.

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	1	Q	All right. And do you remember when I talked to you
	2	at the preliminary hearing you told me that there was no
	3	particular method that you used so far as a systematic
	4	conduction of your search, that you just went back forth
	5	from room to room? And that's a fair statement, isn't it?
	6	A	That's correct.
	7	Q	Now, there's no way that we know or you know how long
	8	a particular intruder could have been in that particular
	9	house before Sandra Allen arrived, do we?
	10	A	No, sir.
	11	Q	So the fact that we would photograph a particular
	12	credit card at a particular location, we don't know
	13	whether the intruder was walked in on by Mrs. Allen early
	14	after he got in the house or at what point, do we?
	15	A	That's correct.
	16	Q	With regard to that, do you have those photographs?
	17	A	Yes, sir, they're right here.
	18	Q	Could you find, I think it's the third one from the
	19	last. Could you find the particular credit card for me,
	20	please? The one with the credit card.
	21	A	Okay.
	22	Q	Could you read the expiration date on that for me?
	23	can give you a little help I think.
	24	A	Looks like 4 of '90.
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	1	particular credit card expiration date is 4 of '90 and we
	2	know that it's expired, don't we?
	3	A	That would be correct.
	4	Q	Now, you stated that you obtained a Sonic receipt
	5	from the right front passenger seat of a blue Oldsmobile,
	6	is that correct?
	7	A	That's correct. Right front passenger seat.
	8	Q	Let me hand you a copy of that receipt which has been
	9	furnished to me and give you a chance to look at it. Is
	10	that a copy of the receipt to the best of your
	11	recollection?
	12	A	To the best of my recollection it is, yes, sir.
	13	Q	And that particular receipt indicates a time on it,
	14	does it not?
	15	A	Yes, sir.
	16	Q	And what time is indicated?
	17			MR. CORGAN: Excuse 'me, Your Honor. I'm
	18	going to object to testimony in the exhibit. It's not
	19	been properly admitted. The document speaks for itself.
	20			MR. CARLSON: I'm going to authenticate it
	21	to the time in this case and move to admit it.
	22			THE COURT: Come up here.
	23		(AN OFF-THE-RECORD DISCUSSION WAS HELD,
	24		 AFTER WHICH THE FOLLOWING PROCEEDINGS
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	1			THE COURT: Go ahead, Mr. Carlson.
	2	Q (By Mr. Carlson) I believe that I had asked you,
	3	sir, what the time was indicated on the receipt.
	4	A	Yes, sir.
	5	Q	Okay. And what time does it show, sir?
	6	A	It's hard to read, but it appears to be 9:18 p.m.,
	7	but this receipt also looks like it's dated 2-2 of '91.
	8	Q	Okay. That will come in later, okay?
	9	A	Oh, okay.
	10	Q	It could be 9:13 as you look at it?
	11			MR. CORGAN: I'm going to object, Your
	12	Honor. The witness has testified what it appeared to be
	13	to him.
	14			THE COURT: Do you need to relook at it?
	15			THE WITNESS: Well, it's real hard to read.
	16	It could be, I guess. It looks like 9:19 to me, but I
	17	guess it could be 9:13. I can't read it real well.
	18	Q (By Mr. Carlson) And that appears to you to be a
	19	copy of the receipt which you retrieved from the
	20	floorboard of the automobile?
	21	A	Well, this is a Sonic receipt and it would be, I
	22	guess, similar to the one. I can't say for sure if it's
	23	the exact one.
	24			MR. CARLSON: Your Honor, we would move
	25	that we be furnished with the original.

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	1			THE COURT: How is that marked?
	2			MR. CARLSON: Defendant's Exhibit 3. We
	3	would move the introduction of Defendant's 3, Your Honor.
	4			THE COURT: Defendant 3 allowed.
	5			MR. CARLSON: Thank you, Your Honor.
	6	Q (By Mr. Carlson) Mr. Franchini, let me hand you
	7	what's been marked as Defendant's Exhibit No. 4, and ask
	8	you if you can identify what that is for us please, sir?
	9	A	It's a Dillards charge slip or sales receipt. Looks
	10	like a charge slip.
	11	Q	Does that appear to you to be a copy of the receipt
	12	that you obtained in regard to the Dillards' purchase?
	13	A	It's a Dillards' receipt. It appears to be similar
	14	to the one that I picked up, yes.
	15	Q	And you picked up that receipt where, sir?
	16	A	The right floorboard on the blue Oldsmobile.
	17	Q	And can you tell us the date and the time on that
	18	particular receipt you have in front of you, Defendant's
	19	Exhibit 4?
	20	A	The date is 6-11-90 and the time is 20:33, which
	21	would be 8:33.
	22			MR. CARLSON: Your Honor, we'd move the
	23	admission of Defendant's Exhibit 4, and we would also
	24	request that we be furnished with the original.
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	1	admission.
	2			THE COURT: Defendant 4 allowed.
	3	Q (By Mr. Carlson) Did you attempt to lift any prints
	4	off of any purported weapons?
	5	A	No, sir, I did not.
	6	Q	And were there more than one item taken from the home
	7	-- Strike that, Your Honor. Let me rephrase it. I think
	8	you used the term, sir, that you collect evidence in a
	9	matter like this in our discretion. Is that your
	10	statement?
	11	A	Yes, sir.
	12	Q	Okay. And I take it you were the sole individual
	13	whose discretion was used as to what items were to be
	14	seized inside that particular home, is that correct?
	15	A	Yes, sir.
	16	Q	Now, you said that, if I understood you correctly,
	17	sir, that you made no record that the purse was seized in
	18	this particular matter, is that correct?
	19	A	I did not seize the purse, no, sir.
	20	Q	Sir, when you arrived there at the home that evening
	21	you were never furnished what I will call a crime scene
	22	log, a list of people who had been in the house ahead of
	23	you, were you?
	24	A	No, sir.
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	1	particular term, are you not?
	2	A	Yes, sir.
	3	Q	And by a crime scene log would mean that somebody
	4	would keep track of everybody that goes in and everybody
	5	that goes out, the time they go in and the time they go
	6	out, correct?
	7	A	That's correct.
	8	Q	Have you ever seen such a log in regard to this
	9	particular case?
	10	A	I can't say for sure whether I ever saw one or not.
	11	Q	Well, you're not aware of one then at this point?
	12	A	That's correct.
	13	Q	And in a crime scene investigation we also use many
	14	times what's called photographic logs, do we not, sir?
	15	A	You can.
	16	Q	And by photographic log it means that you take a
	17	particular photograph, take the time of the photograph,
	18	what the photograph indicates and why we took it, isn't
	19	that correct?
	20	A	You can, yes, sir.
	21	Q	Okay. There has been no photographic log
	22	specifically in regard to this particular case, has there,
	23	sir?
	24	A	That's correct.
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	1	understood you correctly, you transported them from
	2	Bartlesville down to the O.S.B.I. office, is that correct?
	3	A	That's correct, sir.	
	4	Q	And at the O.S.B.I. office you then stored them and
	5	from the O.S.B.I. office you transported them to the lab
	6	in Tahlequah, is that correct?
	7	A	That's correct, sir.
	8	Q	Now, you said that you picked up a hammer from Mr.
	9	Otte, is that correct?
	10	A	A hammer that he had placed in evidence in the
	11	evidence room, yes.
	12	Q	And you also picked up some paper towels from Mr.
	13	Otte, is that correct?
	14	A	Yes, sir.
	15	Q	Now, when you received the particular hammer, can you
	16	tell me what form it was in?
	17	A	I don't recall what it was wrapped in. I believe it
	18	was in some type of wrapping.
	19	Q	It was not -- it was wrapped with something around
	20	it? Am I understanding that correctly?
	21	A	I believe so. I can't recall for sure exactly what
	22	was on it.
	23	Q	Do you have any notes that would tell us how it was
	24	wrapped?
	25	A	No, sir.

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	1	Q	Were there other items that you received that were
	2	wrapped?
	3	A	The items that -- the medical examiner stuff was in
	4	paper sacks or evidence envelopes as was the stuff that I
	5	put in sacks at the scene.
	6	Q	Okay. One of the items that you received from the
	7	medical examiner was a contact lens, was it not, sir?
	8	A	That's correct.
	9	Q	And with that particular contact lens, you
	10	transported that contact lens also to the lab in
	11	Tahlequah, is that correct?
	12	A	I don't recall if the contact lens went to the lab.
	13	I'd have to look at the list of what I submitted.
	14	Q	Would that be the same evidence list you had a moment
	15	ago?
	16	A	No, sir. That would be different.
	17	Q	Would you need to refresh your memory in that regard
	18	as to what you did with the contact lens?
	19	A	If you want to know if it went to the lab or not I'd
	20	have to look at the lab submittal sheet with what I
	21	submitted.
	22	Q	Could you lay your hands on that if I asked you to?
	23	A	I would guess it's contained in the report.
	24	Q	Let me see if I can hand you, so that we can talk
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	1	processing the crime seizure transportation submittal of
	2	evidence. Would that be it, sir?
	3	A	There should be another report containing what was
	4	taken from the medical examiner's office.
	5	Q	Maybe I can help us here.
	6	A	That's it.
	7	Q	From looking at that, sir, can you tell us what you
	8	did with the contact lens?
	9	A	That was transported by me back to the O.S.B.I.
	10	office and secured in the evidence room.
	11	Q	Was it never submitted for the lab to the best of
	12	your knowledge?
	13	A	Not to my knowledge. To the best of my knowledge,
	14	no.
	15	Q	There was testimony about a chair that you covered in
	16	counsel's questions. Do you recall that?
	17	A	The overturned dining room chair?
	18	Q	Yes, sir.
	19	A	Yes, sir.
	20	Q	Were you aware as to whether or not that chair had
	21	been moved before you arrived, sir?
	22	A	I don't know.
	23	Q	Did anyone acquaint you as to whether or not it had
	24	been moved, talked with you about that?
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	1	over by maybe one of the EMT's, but I don't recall for
	2	sure.
	3	Q	Approximately how long did you arrive at the scene
	4	after this particular crime took place?
	5	A	Well, we got there, I think it was about four in the
	6	morning. What time the police were actually called I
	7	don't know for sure.
	8	Q	So if -- would have been approximately six to seven
	9	hours, somewhere in that range, after the crime. Would
	10	you agree with me on that?
	11	A	Maybe a little bit less. In that range maybe.
	12	Q	Five and a half to six?
	13	A	Yes, sir.
	14	Q	Somewhere in that range. Okay. Let me -- you
	15	mentioned to me, sir, you had been with the Detroit Police
	16	Department, is that correct?
	17	A	That's correct, sir.
	18	Q	And while you were with the Detroit Police Department
	19	you were a street officer, is that correct?
	20	A	That's correct.
	21	Q	And by street officer what that means to us we're
	22	talking about street officers, that's a person that's
	23	actually on the street, is that correct?
	24	A	That's correct.
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1	Department was spent on the street, is that correct?
2	A	No, sir.
3	Q	How much of your time was spent as a detective?
4	A	I was not a detective.
5	Q	Okay. After you came off of the street duties then
6	did you go into the office?
7	A	Yes, sir. In an administrative position.
8	Q	You were never in the detective division in the
9	Detroit Police Department?
10	A	No, sir.
11	Q	Other than as a street officer then you did not work
12	crime scenes with the Detroit Police Department, did you,
13	sir?
14	A	No, sir.
15	Q	Your experience then working crime scenes has been
16	since you have come to Oklahoma, is that correct?
17	A	Yes, sir.
18	Q	And that would have been..three years ago, is that
19	correct?
20	A	Yes, sir.
21			MR. CARLSON: Thank you, sir. That's all
22	we have.
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24			REDIRECT EXAMINATION
25	BY MR. CORGAN:

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1	Q	Mr. Franchini, are you familiar with various what
2	I'll call types of searches?
3	A	Yes, sir.
4	Q	And what are some of those types?
5	A	There's zone searches, grid searches, wheel searches,
6	strip searches.
7	Q	Now, I believe you told Mr. Carlson or it was
8	mentioned that previously you testified that you did not
9	use any particular systematic method in obtaining this
10	evidence. Did you say that?
11	A	That's correct, sir.
12	Q	What did you mean by that?
13	A	Well, because of the wide variance of indoor crime
14	scenes it precludes using any kind of systematic search.
15	Those types of searches are generally used if you have an
16	outside crime scene.
17	Q	And what do you mean by those type searches?
18	A	The wheel search, the grid search, the zone search,
19	strip search.
20	Q	Now, during your time as both a patrol officer and
21	with the O.S.B.I., have you had occasion to work burglary
22	scenes?
23	A	Yes, sir.
24	Q	And had occasion to be involved in burglary
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1	A	Yes, sir.
2	Q	In your experience, sir, in doing those do you find
3	burglars to check expiration dates before they steal
4	credit cards?
5	A	No, sir.
6	Q	You haven't found them to take that time when they're
7	doing that?
8	A	No, sir.
9	Q	Now, you were shown both this Sonic receipt and the
10	Dillards receipt, and they have some times on those, is
11	that correct?
12	A	That's correct, sir.
13	Q	Do you know or can you verify the accuracy of those
14	times?
15	A	No, I can't.
16	Q	Now, I believe you said that this contact lens that
17	you received was not submitted to the laboratory, is that
18	correct?
19	A	Not to my knowledge, no, sir.
20	Q	Has it been submitted to anyone to your knowledge for
21	analysis?
22	A	Yes, sir.
23	Q	And who has it been submitted to and who submitted it
24	and when?
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	1	his name is Dr. Burch in Caney, Kansas, and it was also --
	2	I took it up there myself to the doctor to look at. It
	3	was also submitted to a laboratory in California at the
	4	direction of Mr. Carlson.
	5			MR. CORGAN: Thank you. That's all.
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	7			RECROSS-EXAMINATION
	8	BY MR. CARLSON:
	9	Q	Would you agree with me, Mr. Franchini, from your
	10	experience as a street officer, that if you're a burglar
	11	and you have -- and you try to use an expired credit card
	12	it could waive a red flag, couldn't it?
	13	A	Yes, sir.
	14	Q	That would be a pretty dumb thing to do if you're a
	15	burglar to try to use an expired credit card if it's not
	16	your credit card, wouldn't you agree with that?
	17	A	Yes, sir.
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	19			REDIRECT EXAMINATION
	20	BY MR. CORGAN:
	21	Q	In your experience, Mr. Franchini, would the burglar
	22	check that expiration date before he took or before he
	23	used it?
	24				MR. CARLSON: Your Honor, we'd object.
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	1			THE COURT: It's been covered. Thank you.
	2	You may step down. Next witness.
	3			MR. CORGAN: Your Honor, approach the bench
	4	please?
	5		(AN OFF-THE-RECORD DISCUSSION WAS HAD,
	6		AFTER WHICH THE FOLLOWING PROCEEDINGS WERE
	7		HAD:)
	8	----------------------------------------------------------------------------
	9			EDDIE MASON
	10	having been first duly sworn to tell the truth, the whole
	11	truth, and nothing but the truth, testified as followed:
	12				DIRECT EXAMINATION
	13	BY MR. CORGAN:
	14	Q	State your name please.
	15	A	Eddie Mason.
	16	Q	Mr. Mason, what is your business, profession or
	17	occupation?
	18	A	Police officer with the city of Bartlesville.
	19	Q	And would you tell us how long you've been employed
	20	in that capacity?
	21	A	15 years.
	22	Q	And what is your current assignment with the
	23	Bartlesville Police Department?
	24	A	Currently I'm assigned to the detective division.
	25	Q	How long have you been assigned to the detective

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