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2		               DARRELL GRAYSON
3	having been first duly sworn to tell the truth, the whole
4	truth, and nothing but the truth, testified as follows:
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6	BY MR. CORGAN:
7	Q	State your name please, sir.
8	A	Darrell Grayson.
9	Q	Mr. Grayson, I think you can adjust that where you
10	won't have to bend forward so far. Tell me, sir, what is
11	your business, profession or occupation?
12	A	Police officer.
13	Q	How long have you been employed in that capacity?
14	A	A year and six months.
15	Q	And were you so employed, sir, on June 11th, 1990?
16	A	Yes.
17	Q	And can you tell me, sir, how long you had been
18	involved or been a police officer at that time?
19	A	Six months.
20	Q	And do you have any type of probationary period in
21	regard to that?
22	A	Six months.
23	Q	And during that probationary period, do you ride with
24	other officers or how does that work?
25	A	Yes.
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1	Q	And had you, at that point, been released to ride by
2	yourself?
3	A	Yes.
4	Q	How long had you been in a unit by yourself?
5	A	Three days.
6	Q	Tell me, Officer Grayson, what shift you worked on
7	June the 11th of 1990.
8	A	Evening shift.
9	Q	And what time period would that designate?
10	A	Four p.m. to twelve p.m.
11	Q	Did you have occasion to make a call in regard to
12	this case?
13	A	Yes.
14	Q	Tell me how you received information or how it is you
15	came to do something in this case?
16	A	I was dispatched over the radio.
17	Q	And where were you at that time?
18	A	Highway 75 and Woodland.
19	Q	In your patrol unit?
20	A	Yes.
21	Q	Now, do you have a particular call number or call
22	letter?
23	A	Yes.
24	Q	What do you call that?
25	A	Charlie 34.
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1	Q	Charlie 34?
2	A	Yes.
3	Q	Now, is that something that stays with you as long as
4	you're on the force?
5	A	Yes.
6	Q	So if I were to listen to radio information tonight
7	and I heard something involving Charlie 34, if you were on
8	duty that would mean Darrell Grayson?
9	A	Yes.
10	Q	Tell me what information -- Strike that. After you
11	received this information, where did you go?
12	A	1808 Jefferson.
13	Q	Can you tell me if that particular location is in
14	Bartlesville?
15	A	Yes, it is.
16	Q	Is that also in Washington County?
17	A	Yes, it is.
18	Q	How did you get there? Tell us the route that you
19	took.
20	A	I proceeded southbound down Highway 75 to Nowata
21	Road. At Nowata Road I turned right and proceeded
22	westbound to Jefferson. I turned left and went southbound
23	down Jefferson.
24	Q	So Jefferson would run what direction?
25	A	North and south.
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1	Q	As you went to this call, did you engage any of your
2	emergency equipment?
3	A	No, I didn't.
4	Q	So you were just driving normally, is that correct?
5	A	No.
6	Q	Okay. Tell me how you were driving.
7	A	About 10 miles over the speed limit.
8	Q	Okay. But as far as your lights or sirens or those
9	type things, you didn't have them on?
10	A	No.
11	Q	Why not?
12	A	I don't -- the call was a burglary assault and they
13	didn't know if the suspect was still there. I didn't want
14	him to get away, know I was coming.
15	Q	Pardon me.
16	A	I didn't want the suspect to get out of the area.
17	Q	And you thought you would alert him if you had lights
18	and sirens?
19	A	Yes.
20	Q	Where did you park when you got to 1808 Jefferson
21	Road?
22	A	About 50 feet away from 1808 Jefferson.
23	Q	And what direction was your car facing at that time?
24	A	South.
25	Q	What did you do after parking?
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1 	A 	I ran towards a voice in that area.
2	Q	What was this voice saying?
3	A	Over here, over here.
4	Q	And where did you go then?
5	A	I went to the garage area by the driveway.
6	Q	And what did you see or observe at that time?
7	A	I observed Mr. Allen. He was running towards me.
8	Q	What happened next?
9	A	At that time he stated that his child was inside the
10	car and he didn't want his child to see his mother.
11	Q	Now, did you know Mr. Allen at that time?
12	A	No, I didn't.
13	Q	How did you know then it to be Mr. Allen?
14	A	He said I'm Mr. Allen, I live here.
15	Q	Did you see this child he referred to?
16	A	Yes.
17	Q	And where was the child?
18	A	In the passenger seat of-his vehicle.
19	Q	And what happened after you had this conversation
20	between you and Mr. Allen concerning the child? Anything?
21	A	I asked him if the suspect was still in the area.
22	Q	Did he respond to you?
23	A	He stated that he drove up, pulled into his driveway,
24	and shined his lights on the suspect and the suspect ran
25	in a northeasterly direction from the garage area.
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1	Q	What did you do then?
2	A	We proceeded into the house to check the condition of
3	his wife.
4	Q	When you say we, who do you mean?
5	A	Me and Mr. Allen.
6	Q	Where did you go?
7	A	Went through a door adjacent to the garage doors.
8	Q	And then where?
9	A	Into a utility room area, through the kitchen into
10	the dining room.
11	Q	Now, as you entered the house, what, if anything, did
12	you observe?
13	A	As we entered the utility room I observed blood
14	stains, footprints on the floor.
15	Q	Can you tell me how many?
16	A	One set.
17	Q	And can you tell me if there was more than one type?
18	A	I believe it was one type.
19	Q	What did you do then?
20	A	I proceeded to Mrs. Allen's body.
21	Q	Why did you do that?
22	A	 I noticed a large pool of blood all around the body,
23	that she wasn't moving
24 	Q 	And what was your purpose in going to her?
25 	A	To check her condition and try to render any aid I
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1	could.
2	Q	Tell us what you did in regard to Mrs. Allen at that
3	time?
4	A	I jumped over the pool of blood to the right side of
5	her body, grabbed her right wrist area and checked for a
6	pulse and couldn't find one.
7	Q	Now, while you were doing this, where was Mr. Allen?
8	A	He was sitting in a chair directly across from me.
9	Q	Now, do you know what -- well, where had his chair
10	been that he was sitting in?
11	A	It had been tipped over with the legs pointing to the
12	south and the rest of the chair pointing to the north.
13	Q	And did he do something with it?
14	A	He turned over the chair and sat in it.
15	Q	What happened then?
16	A	I again asked him if he could tell me anything about
17	the suspect.
18	Q	Now, were you still at Mrs. Allen's body at that
19	time?
20	A	Yes.
21	Q	And what, if anything, did he say to you?
22	A	He didn't say anything.
23	Q	What happened next?
24	A	Lieutenant Gus Davis came in.
25	Q	How long would you say you had been there at the
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1	Allen residence before Lieutenant Davis arrived?
2	A	One minute.
3	Q	What happened when Lieutenant Davis arrived?
4	A	He again asked Mr. Allen anything about the suspect
5	and then he checked for a pulse on Mrs. Allen. He
6	couldn't find one, then he noticed a faint pulse in her
7	neck about ever 10 seconds or so.
8	Q	Now, when Lieutenant Davis arrived and inquired of
9	the defendant about suspect information, did he respond to
10	him at that time?
11	A	He stated he couldn't remember anything about the
12	suspect, what color he was or what he was wearing.
13	Q	I'm sorry. Go ahead.
14	A	He stated he ran through that door right there. He
15	pointed toward the den area.
16	Q	Did he say anything else?
17	A	No.
18	Q	What did you do at that time?
19	A	I took Mr. Allen to the kitchen area and tried to
20	calm him down and tried to get some kind of suspect
21	information to put over the radio for the guys out in the
22	field.
23	Q	And were you able to do that?
24	A	No, I wasn't.
25	Q	Why not?
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1	A	 Mr. Allen just -- he couldn't remember anything. He
2	told me he couldn't remember anything about the guy.
3	Q	Did he appear to understand your questions?
4 	A	Yes.
5	Q	Did he respond to your questions?
6	A	Yes.
7	Q	Now, what, if any, observations did you make at that
8	time about Mr. Allen's physical condition?
9	A	He was sweating badly and he was covered with blood.
10	Q	What do you mean covered with blood?
11	A	He had blood on his hands and his shirt, his arms.
12	Q	 Anywhere else?
13	A	On his face.
14	Q	What did you do then?
15	A	About that time the firemen arrived on the scene
16	followed by the ambulance personnel. I took Mr. Allen to
17	the garage area because every time he viewed his wife's
18	body he got upset.
19	Q	Now, while you were talking in the kitchen area with
20	Mr. Allen, where was Lieutenant Davis, if you know?
21	A	He was checking the den area for the suspect.
22	Q	Now, did you have occasion to go into the den area?
23	A	Yes.
24	Q	And when, in relationship to what you're telling us
25	about, did you go into the den area?
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1	A	 After the firemen arrived I would say.
2	Q	And what was your purpose in going into the den area
3	at that time?
4	A	Check for suspect with Gus Davis.
5	Q	While you were there, did anyone go into that den
6	area other than yourself and Lieutenant Davis?
7	A	No.
8	Q	Do you know if Lieutenant Davis went in before or
9	after you went in?
10	A	He went in before I did.
11	Q	Where was Mr. Allen when you went into the den area?
12	A	I had told him to wait in the garage area.
13	Q	And did he do that?
14	A	No, he didn't.
15	Q	Where was he then when you came out of the den area?
16	A	He was in the kitchen area.
17	Q	And what was he doing then?
18	A	He was asking me if he could wash his hands.
19	Q	And what did you tell him? A No.
20 	A	No.	
21 	And why wouldn't you allow him to wash his hands?
22 	Well, at that time I really needed him to stay in the
23 	garage area because every time he viewed his wife he
24 	became very upset.
25	Q	What do you mean by that?
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1	A	He babbled on I can't believe this happened. Why did
2	this have to happen.
3	Q	Could you understand him when he said that?
4	A	Some of it, yes.
5	Q	Now, did you all go back to the garage area?
6	A	Yes.
7	Q	And what happened when you went out there?
8	A	One of the firemen asked me to open up the garage and
9	Mr. Allen opened it.
10	Q	What do you mean open up the garage?
11	A	Open up the garage doors.
12	Q	Would that be the overhead door?
13	A	Yes.
14	Q	And did you do that?
15	A	Mr. Allen did.
16	Q	What happened then?
17	A	Mr. Allen's neighbor came in and said a prayer over
18	him and advised him that he would take care of his small
19	child.
20	Q	And do you know who this neighbor was?
21	A	No, I don't.
22	Q	What did you do next then, Officer Grayson?
23	A	I stayed in the garage area with Mr. Allen and got
24	information for a report from him.
25	Q	And you said something earlier about when Lieutenant
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1	Davis arrived Mr. Allen said something about out that door
2	and pointing?
3	A	Yes.
4	Q	Will you tell us what he was referring to?
5	A	To a back door in the den area.
6	Q	Now, how did that strike you?
7			MR. CARLSON: Objection, Your Honor.
8			THE COURT: Sustained.
9	Q	 (By Mr. Corgan) What did you think about that,
10	Officer Grayson, when you heard that?
11			MR. CARLSON: Same objection, Your Honor.
12			THE COURT: You may answer.
13	A	I felt that he had told me something different.
14	Q	 (By Mr. Corgan) And what did he tell you that you
15	felt was different?
16	A	That as he drove up he shined his lights on the
17	suspect and the suspect ran off in a northeasterly
18	direction.
19	Q	And how was that different?
20	A	He told Gus Davis that he saw the suspect run out the
21	den door, pointed in that direction.
22	Q	Now, you use the word "saw".
23	A	Yes.
24	Q	Is that what he said?
25	A	Yes.
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1	Q	Did you ask him further about that?
2	A	No, I didn't.
3	Q	Now, did you have any further contact with Mr. Allen
4	after that?
5	A	While we were in the garage area?
6	Q	Yes..
7	A	Yeah, we continued the interview.
8	Q	And what did you get out of your interview?
9	A	Mr. Allen told me that at approximately 8:30 someone
10	had called his wife at work and that a Theresa Miller took
11	the message. This person wanted to know where Mr. Allen
12	was.
13	Q	Told you about a phone call, is that right?
14	A	Yes.
15	Q	Did he give you any additional suspect information?
16	A	No, he didn't.
17	Q	Did you inquire as to that?
18	A	Yes, I did.
19	Q	What did you do then?
20	A	The ambulance personnel came in and advised Mr. Allen
21	that he could ride with them to the emergency room.
22	Q	Did he do that?
23	A	He stated, I can't go like this. I must wash my
24	hands and face.
25	Q	What happened at that point?
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1	A	He went into the kitchen area and washed his hands
2	and face.
3	Q	What happened then?
4	A	He left and went to the emergency room with the
5	ambulance personnel.
6	Q	What did you do after that?
7	A	I stayed out by the garage doors and secured the
8	scene.
9	Q	Now, what do you mean, Officer Grayson, by securing
10	the scene?
11	A	I didn't let anyone in that didn't need to be in
12	there.
13	Q	And who needed and didn't need to be there in your
14	estimation?
15	A	What do you mean?
16	Q	Well, how did you determine that? I mean, if I came
17	up or someone else came up, how did you determine whether
18	they would get into the house or not?
19	A	The general public I didn't let in. I just let in a
20	certain few law enforcement personnel.
21	Q	Do you recall who you let in?
22	A	Yes.
23	Q	Who all did you let in?
24	A	Captain Beard, Captain John Evans, Chief Holland and
25	Sheriff Silvers.
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1	Q	Anyone other than that?
2	A	Herb Cline and DJ Slack.
3	Q	Now, are all those law enforcement personnel?
4	A	Yes.
5	Q	Did you allow anyone other than law enforcement
6	personnel to come into the scene there?
7	A	No.
8	Q	Why not?
9	A	They didn't have any business there.
10	Q	Now, how was it determined that you would secure the
11	scene there?
12	A	My superior officer told me that I would secure the
13	scene.
14	Q	And who was that?
15	A	Gus Davis.
16	Q	That would be Lieutenant Davis?
17	A	Lieutenant Davis, yes.
18	Q	How long did you stay there at the scene?
19	A	To approximately one p.m. -- one a.m. the next
20	morning.
21	Q	And what happened at that time?
22	A	I was relieved by reserves, another officer.
23	Q	And they were to take over for you from there?
24	A	Yes.
25	Q	Now, while the time you were there from say ten
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1	o'clock to one, did anyone -- did you allow anyone in the
2	house other than fire, ambulance or law enforcement
3	personnel?
4	A	No, I didn't.
5	Q	Did you have any people come there and try to gain
6	entry?
7	A	No, I didn't.
8	Q	Were there neighbors out and about in the
9	neighborhood?
10	A	Yes, there were.
11	Q	And did any of those people come into or enter the
12	house?
13	A	No.
14	Q	Okay. This neighbor that had prayer, I believe your
15	words were prayer over the defendant, did he get into the
16	 house?
17 	A	No, he came into the garage area.
18 	Q	And where did he go from there, if you recall?
19	A	I don't recall where he went.
20			MR. CORGAN:	I believe that's all.
21			THE COURT:	You may inquire.
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24	BY MR. CARLSON:
25	Q	 Mr. Grayson, you said that every time Steve viewed
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1	his wife's body he got very upset, is that correct?
2	A	Yes.
3	Q	Okay. And he indicated that he was upset, Steve did,
4	every time he viewed his wife's body because he babbled,
5	isn't that correct?
6	A	Yes.
7	Q	And when he babbled he stated, I think you said, I
8	can't believe this happened, why did his happen. Isn't
9	that what he said?
10	A	Yes.
11	Q	And you can't recall anything that Steve said when he
12	was babbling other than why did this have to happen or I
13	can't believe this happened, isn't that correct?
14	A	That's correct.
15	Q	Now, at certain points Steve seemed to be incoherent,
16	isn't that correct?
17	A	What do you mean?
18	Q	Well, that you couldn't understand him. He didn't
19	make sense. Is that correct?
20	A	That's correct.
21	Q	I'm sorry.
22	A	That's correct.
23	Q	Now, as an officer you went through police academy,
24	isn't that correct?
25	A	Yes.
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1 	Q	And you admit that in your training at the police
2	academy that when you're talking to somebody at the scene
3	of a crime, especially at a homicide scene, that you're
4	trained to take down everything they say, isn't that
5	correct, Mr. Davis(sic) or Mr. Grayson. I'm sorry.
6	A	Yes.
7	Q	And you admit that you're trained to record
8	everything they say and write down verbatim as best you
9	can recall it, isn't that a fact?
10	A	Yes.
11	Q	And that you put down, when you assemble your report
12	in regard to a crime, you put down everything that they
13	said that you've noted, isn't that correct?
14	A	Not everything.
15	Q	I'm sorry.
16	A	Not everything.
17	Q	But don't you put down everything in your report that
18	you feel is important? Isn't-that true?
19	A	Yes.
20	Q	All right. Now, you would admit that -- you've
21	reviewed your report in regard to this particular case,
22	have you not?
23	A	Yes.
24	Q	And you would agree with me that from reviewing your
25	report there's nowhere in your report that you have
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1	written down that Steve says I saw him run out that door,
2	did you?
3	A	I believe so.
4	Q	You didn't write that down in your report, did you?
5	A	I believe I did.
6	Q	Let me hand you your report and see if you can find
7	that for us, officer, and we'll wait for you. See if you
8	can find where he says I saw him run out the door.
9	A	It's not in exact words.
10	Q	Okay. It doesn't have those words there, does it?
11	You agree with me, correct?
12	A	Correct.
13	Q	All right. Now, at the time of this particular
14	incident you were -- had been on the street riding in a
15	car by yourself for three days, is that correct?
16	A	Yes, sir.
17	Q	Probationary period had just ended in June of 1990,
18	is that correct?
19	A	Yes.
20	Q	Now, you received your dispatch in regard to this
21	particular crime scene over the radio, isn't that correct?
22	A	Yes.
23	Q	And you would have been dispatched by Miss Lippert,
24	is that correct?
25	A	Yes.
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1	Q	And as you were dispatched by Miss Lippert at some
2	point in time you had communication or you heard
3	Lieutenant Davis over the radio, did you also not?
4	A	I don't recall.
5	Q	 And he was approximately, what, a minute behind you?
6	Was that your testimony?
7	A	Yes.
8	Q	Now, when you arrived you don't recall exactly which
9	lights were on in the house, do you, sir?
10	A	No.
11	Q	The first time that you arrived and you saw Steve
12	there was nothing that you saw or felt unusual about Steve
13	other than he was babbling and incoherent. Isn't that a
14	fair statement?
15	A	He was sweating.
16	Q	All right. Now, your responsibilities as the first
17	officer on the scene is to secure the scene, is that
18	correct?
19	A	Yes.
20	Q	And we've established that by secure the scene it
21	means to keep all personnel out other than people that
22	needed to be in there, isn't that correct?
23	A	Yes.
24	Q	Now, if I understood your testimony that there was
25	Captain Beard that was in there, is that correct?
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1	A	Yes.
2	Q	Captain Evans?
3	A	Yes.
4	Q	Chief Holland?
5	A	Yes.
6	Q	Mr. Mason? Correct?
7	A	He was there, but I didn't testify that he was.
8	Q	All right. But he was there?
9	A	He was there.
10	Q	And Mr. Silver, he was there, is that correct?
11	A	Yes.
12	Q	And Mr. Herb Cline, he was there?
13	A	Yes.
14	Q	As well as Mr. Slack?
15	A	Yes.
16	Q	Now, how many -- there were a number of fire people
17	that also came in there, wasn't there, sir?
18	A	Yes.
19	Q	And would you agree with me that there were
20	approximately four to five fire people? Do you recall?
21	A	Four.
22	Q	And there were also ambulance people, and do you
23	recall if there were four or five ambulance people? Do
24	you recall how many?
25	A	Two.
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1	Q All right. Now, there was a pool of blood around
2	Mrs. Allen, isn't that a fact?
3	A	Yes.
4	Q	All right. And these particular people that got in
5	there, got into that pool of blood, isn't that true?
6	A	Yes.
7	Q	Did you -- Strike that. You didn't make any notes as
8	to the order in which these people with the police
9	department arrived there, did you, sir?
10	A	No, I didn't.
11	Q	You did not make what we call a crime scene log, did
12	you, sir?
13	A	No, I didn't.
14	Q	Did you keep any notes in regard to who got there and
15	when they got there, sir?
16	A	I don't know their approximate time when they got
17	there.
18	Q	Now, in your report you have down that Steve said he
19	went through that door in there. Those are the words you
20	put down, isn't that correct?
21	A	Yes.
22	Q	And at that point in time we know that there was a
23	door ajar, the patio door, was there not?
24	A	Yes.
25	Q	And we know that there was some broken items in the
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1	family room, wasn't there, sir?
2	A	The family room?
3	Q	Well, the room next to the dining room. I call it
4	the family room. Whatever you call it.
5	A	TV set was broken.
6	Q	Yes. And we know that at that point that Steve had
7	seen those items. Don't we know that?
8	A	Yes.
9	Q	All right. So, wouldn't you agree with me, officer,
10	that it would be reasonable for Steve to assume that he
11	went through that door in there, if that's the door that's
12	ajar? Wouldn't you agree with that?
13	A	Yes.
14	Q	Thank you. Bear with me just a moment, Your Honor.
15	Sir, you said that you did not write down or didn't take
16	the name of this particular neighbor that was over there
17	that talked to Steve, is that correct?
18	A	That's correct.
19	Q	All right. And you don't recall whether Steve's
20	child was in the green car or the blue car, do you, sir?
21	A	No, I can't recall.
22	Q	All right. And you also do not recall exactly how
23	much training you had at the police academy in regard to
24	crime scene, do you, sir?
25	A	Can you repeat the question?
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1	Q	Okay. You don't recall exactly how much training you
2	had at the police academy in regard to crime scene, do
3	you, sir?
4	A	No, I don't.
5	Q	All right. Would you agree with me, sir, that you
6	had never worked a crime scene like this before?
7	A	I had never worked a crime scene, no.
8	Q	This was your first crime scene, is that correct?
9	A	Yes.
10	Q	And this is the first time also, obviously, you had
11	ever been on a homicide, is that correct?
12	A	Yes.
13	Q	And it's fair to say that you were a little bit
14	excited that night, isn't that true?
15	A	I could have been.
16		         MR. CARLSON: That's all we have, Your
17	Honor.
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19		            REDIRECT EXAMINATION
20	BY MR. CORGAN:
21	Q	Mr. Grayson, you said that you heard the defendant
22	say that he saw the man go out that door, is that correct?
23	A	Yes.
24	Q	Why is the word saw not in your report?
25		         MR. CARLSON: Objection, Your Honor.
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1	Improper redirect.
2		         THE COURT: Overruled. Go ahead.
3	Q	(By Mr. Corgan) You may answer the question.
4	A	I don't know.
5	Q	Well, is it not there because you didn't hear it?
6		MR. CARLSON: Objection, leading, Your
7	Honor.
8			THE COURT:	Sustained.
9	Q	 (By Mr. Corgan) Do you always put everything you
10	hear in your report?
11		         MR. CARLSON: Objection, leading. Also
12	beyond the scope of cross.
13			THE COURT: Overruled. Go ahead.
14	Q	(By Mr. Corgan) You may answer.
15	A	What was the question?
16	Q	The question was, do you always put everything you
17	hear in your report?
18	A	No.
19	Q	Why not?
20	A	I don't know.
21	Q	And you didn't put "saw" in your report?
22		 	MR. CARLSON: Objection, asked and
23	answered.
24		         THE COURT: Sustained.
25	Q	(By Mr. Corgan) Tell us what you did put in your
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1	report in regard to that conversation, Officer Grayson.
2	A	I put that Mr. Allen stated he went through that door
3	there and he pointed in that direction.
4	Q 	What did you mean -when you put that down?
5			MR. CARI.SON: Your Honor, we'd object.
6	It's self-serving.
7			THE COURT: You may answer.
8	A	What did I mean?
9	Q	(By Mr. Corgan) Yes, sir. What were you trying to
10	communicate to a reader when you put that down in your
11	report?
12	A	Basically that's where he saw the guy run out at.
13	That's as he told Lieutenant Davis.
14	Q	Now, when you arrived there at the scene, did you
15	have any problem understanding the defendant when he
16	summoned you to his location?
17	A	No, I didn't.
18	Q	Did you have any problem ..understanding him when he
19	told you his story about the figure?
20	A	No, I didn't.
21	Q	Did you have any problem understanding him when he
22	told what you heard to Lieutenant Davis?
23	A	No, I didn't.
24	Q	And obviously when he got upset upon viewing his
25	wife's body and said I can't believe this happened and
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1	those type things, you were able to understand that?
2	A	Yes.
3	Q	So there were a lot of things that evening that you
4	did in fact understand as you conversed with and dealt
5	with the defendant?
6		         MR. CARLSON: Objection, leading, Your
7	Honor. We've tried to keep from objecting, but it's
8	leading.
9		         THE COURT: Sustained. -
10	Q	(By Mr. Corgan) Did you have occasion to give the
11	defendant directives?
12	A	What do you mean?
13	Q	Well, tell him to do this or to do that?
14	A	Yes.
15	Q	Did he respond to those?
16	A	Yes.
17		         MR. CARLSON: I believe that's all.
18		         THE COURT: Recross.
19	----------------------------
20		            RECROSS -EXAMINATION
21	BY MR. CARLSON:
22	Q	Would you agree with me, sir, that Steve would have
23	periods when he would respond and periods when he would
24	become and babble when he would see his wife's body.
25	Isn't that correct?
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1	A	Yes. He babbled or he became upset when he saw his
2	wife's body.
3	Q	All right. And wouldn't you agree with me, sir, that
4	he would come in and out? Isn't that a fair statement of
5	what happened that night?
6	A	Only when he saw his wife's body.
7	Q	All right. And when he saw his wife's body he'd go
8	out and start babbling and become incoherent. Isn't that
9	correct?
10	A	That's correct.
11	Q	And then maybe for a period of time he'd come back in
12	and you could respond with him some, isn't that correct?
13	A	Yes.
14			MR. CARLSON: That's all we have, Your
15	Honor.
16			THE COURT: Is that all? -
17			MR. CORGAN: That's all, Your Honor.
18			THE COURT: Thank you, officer. You may
19	step down. Call your next witness.
20	 		MR. CORGAN: Call Lieutenant Gus Davis.
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