More About The Making Of AntiPop
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By Les Claypool, as told to Karl Coryat
Finding Oz
When we were getting ready to do Rhinoplasty I
said to Brain, "You were a studio musician—who should we get to do
this record?" The first guy he thought of was [Smash
Mouth producer] Eric Valentine, but by that point he was
starting to become really big. I would have liked to work
with him. We ended up going with Toby Wright. But a
couple months later Tom Waits called and said he was
looking for a local engineer, and Brain recommended Oz
Fritz, who had just moved out from New York. He was and
is Bill Laswell's engineer. Brain said he was this freaky
mad scientist guy. That was the catch phrase for us—we
wanted a mad scientist to engineer the record.Oz is a
trippy guy. He came in and started burning this special
incense he makes himself, and he set up these paintings
of somber-looking faces in different parts of the room to
give him energy. He floats in an isolation tank for an
hour every day, but when you meet him he isn't wearing a
dashiki or anything. He travels around the world with
Bill Laswell and records sound effects—a lot of the
stuff we used on the record, like the "Sacred
Cow" intro, is from that. He has hours and hours of
that stuff.
Producers
[Longtime Primus A&R man] Tom Whalley liked the demo
we did with Oz, but he still thought we should work with
a producer. So I asked him, "Who's the George Martin
or Brian Eno of today? Show me those people, and I'll
work with them." We had worked with the Dust
Brothers and Rick Rubin on the South Park project,
testing out the waters and seeing where we wanted to go
next. That's when I got the idea to work with some
artists we respect, as producers instead of musicians. We
sent stuff to Roger Waters, Peter Gabriel, David Byrne,
and Stewart Copeland—Stewart jumped right on it.
We basically tracked everything here, except for the
tunes we did with Matt Stone and Tom Morello, which we
went to L.A. for. I remember thinking, when we were first
talking about working with the different artists, that it
was either a great idea or would end up being a huge
disaster. Everyone had a completely different perception
of us and what they wanted to do with us.
Tom Morello was the first person we worked with; we
recorded the tracks for his three songs in three days,
and then we did the vocals up here. He co-wrote those
songs; all three started with his riffs. He is the only
person who's ever come into the Primus world and caused
me to just hand over the reins and sit back. He
definitely called the shots the whole way, like it was
his band all three days. And it was awesome. At no
point did I go, "I don't know, dude"—I
felt so comfortable.
On Geezer & Bill
We played two months of the Ozzfest tour, maybe 30 shows.
[Black Sabbath's] Geezer Butler was unbelieveable. We
played with Sabbath earlier in the year, but Bill Ward
wasn't drumming then. Nobody plays like Bill Ward. Most
drummers tend to speed up when they fill; it's a natural
thing. But Bill slows down when he fills: tun, tun,
tun, tun, tun ... bam! He's this big guy who looks
like Norm from Cheers, and his drums are just
wide-open, with no muffling. He doesn't hit real hard—kind
of like John Bonham. If you watch Bonham in the old
videos you'll see he kind of whips the drums with his
wrists. It's almost a lethargic way to play; every hit is
deliberate, with a lot of emphasis on one cymbal hit or
tom fill without beating you through the head. Most
younger players beat the shit out of their drums, but
Bill kind of finesses them. I watched the first show from
out front, and I got a little teary-eyed watching them.
"Eclectic Electric"
When we were recording that middle section, I wanted it
to be the biggest guitars ever. I've been hanging out
with Jim Martin [ex-Faith No More] and James Hetfield
[Metallica], so I asked them to come play on it. Hetfield
alone is just this montrous wall of guitar, and Jim
Martin ... when they replaced Jim Martin in Faith No
More, they were never able to get that guitar sound
again. He's just one of these guys, like [Black
Sabbath's] Tommy Iommi—nobody can replicate that
sound. And those two guys are such good friends, I just
figured it would be awesome if they played together. And
it was!
When we recorded, both Jim and James set up in my
pool-table room, and their amps were so incredibly loud
they couldn't hear what was in the headphones. So
Hetfield was standing out on the deck with his leather
jacket on, playing his guitar. There was a rainstorm
going on, so he's standing there playing with the wind
and rain blowing on him. It was one of the most awesome
things I've ever seen—but unfortunately I never
thought to videotape it.
I told Toby, "When we mix this song, we've got to
take mushrooms." And he was like, "Okay."
So when the day came to mix this song, I went into the
other room to do some samples in Pro Tools. I was getting
these samples of my kids off a videotape, and I'm
listening to these samples over and over, and I started
kind of freaking out. I brought them in to Toby, gave him
the samples, and told him I had to get out of there.
"Ballad of Bodacious"
There actually is a bull named Bodacious. In fact there's
this whole subculture that's into him. He was retired at
the age of seven because he almost killed a couple guys.
I saw a TV show about him, and I thought it was
fascinating, so I went online and found out all about
him. Later we were in this Western store, and in a glass
case I saw a belt buckle that said BODACIOUS on it, so I
bought it. We're trying to get the song pushed onto
country radio.
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