GENESIS
"Can you tell me where my country lies?"
General Rating: 3
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Geez, I am reviewing Genesis... boy, am I reviewing Genesis.
Who'd ever had thought I'd be reviewing Genesis... nah, let's get serious.
We really need to sort things out here.
Genesis were a fine little British prog rock band, with a unique style
of their own (whose main point was not just in ripping of the progressive
sound of Yes and King Crimson, contrary to what Wilson & Alroy would
have you believe), which suffered from one terrible misfortune: that misfortune
was arriving on the scene a bit later than all the other classic prog rock
bands. Of course, people usually forget that they made their first album
in mid-1969, before the milestones set by King Crimson and Yes -
but they were just little kids at that time and they couldn't pull out
a decent tune to save their lives, that's what the critics say. Dammit,
they're mighty wrong.
Actually, main songwriter/lyricsman/flute player/stage wiz Peter Gabriel
did have a lot of talent throughout most of his Genesis career (not to
mention afterwards). The problem was with putting that talent on record.
And this is where the trouble lies: one thing the band always lacked in
its incessant competition with the other prog giants was virtuoso musicianship.
For one thing, the band never had anything like a good guitar sound:
the early guitarists do not count, and Steve Hackett, cute little guy with
loads of talent though he might be, really had a rare chance to squeeze
a note onto the album (which might just as well be the main reason for
his quitting in 1977, after which the band didn't even have a guitar
player). And as for the keyboards, well, this is where I'm gonna hit the
big time. When people say nasty things about Genesis, they usually either
hit at Gabriel for blurting out pompous lyrics and wearing idiotic masks
onstage, or at Phil Collins for turning the band into a synchronized drum/synth
machine for the consumer's taste. There may be a grain of truth in both
of these remarks. But the real bug that always kept naggin' at Genesis
seems to be keyboard player Tony Banks. He's professional and educated,
of course, even though, put next to Keith Emerson or Rick Wakeman, he'd
probably look like a six-year old tapping at the piano with his dad's slippers.
But that's not the main thing. The main thing is that his instruments are
always at the center of the band's sound, and this is more often bad than
good. It's not Phil Collins that's the problem with the band, I
tell you - it's Anthony Banks. It isn't Phil Collins who's responsible
for driving Steve Hackett to quitting the band. It's not Phil Collins who's
responsible for turning an otherwise decent album like Wind And Wuthering
into an almost unlistenable synthfest.
Peter Gabriel, on the other hand, was a really talented guy. I've grown
meself a deeply intimate feeling for the kind of things he'd produced -
and I've gone so far as to even review his solo career, a thing I wouldn't
really have the guts to do about any average prog rocker. Check
it out on his own solo page - even if it has,
in fact, little to do with the Genesis legacy. Peter is responsible for
the things that really make Genesis unique: his lyrics, theatrical wit
and blissful imagery resulted in the creation of a specific 'progressive
dreamworld' which was far more complicated and less banal than that of
Rush, for instance, but far more understandable and alive than the ugly
artificial constructs of Yes. Combining funny bits and patches of contemporary
British imagery inherited from the Kinks, Gabriel also ventured deep out
into medieval and sci-fi fantasies, and always managed to come up with
winners - even if he did sometimes get carried too far away, like on The
Lamb. But I suppose that's forgivable, as it's an unalienable flaw
of just about every serious 'progger' in existence.
And as for Phil Collins, I bet you know everything about this gentleman
already. Let me just tell you that, whatever else you may think of him,
Phil's drumming is largely underrated. In his prime, he might have
been the equal of Bill Bruford, which is saying a lot (Bill Bruford actually
substituted him on the 1976 tour, thus obtaining the honour to perform
for three great prog rock bands during his only lifetime). Listen
to his mighty, but oh-so-clever bashing on songs like 'I Know What I Like'
and you'll know what I'm talking 'bout.
Whew, that was loooong. Let's get on to the lineup: the main founding members
were Peter Gabriel (vocals, flute, but he's no Ian Anderson, bass
drum, stage antics), Michael Rutherford (bass, acoustic guitar)
and the above-mentioned Tony Banks (all kinds of corny keyboards
and cornier synths). Rutherford's acoustic, in fact, is very much essential
to Genesis sound as well, and it kinda saves you from the often vomit-inducing
Banksynth parts. The other two members were Anthony Phillips (lead
guitar) and Chris Stewart (drums). This lineup was formed somewhere
around 1967 when the boys were still going to school. Stewart quit in 1968,
being replaced by John Silver (and no, Peter Gabriel is no
Captain Flint). While still at school, they recorded their first flop album
for Decca, after which Silver quit, being replaced by John Mayhew
(1969). Mayhew and Phillips both quit after the second album, being replaced
by Steve Hackett (guitar) and Phil Collins (drums). This
was the 'classic Genesis' line-up.
Gabriel quit in 1975 to pursue solo career, after which Collins took over
the vocals (not the songwriting, though: contrary to popular belief,
he didn't really begin to seriously write for Genesis until 1978). Hackett
quit in 1977, reducing the band to a trio - the famous 'pop brand' of Genesis.
The trio stayed together until 1996 (well, not that they stayed together
all the time), when Collins quit officially and was replaced by junior
Ray Wilson. The band then proceeded to record another album called
Calling All The Stations (1998) which I was foolish enough to buy
- see for one of the biggest album-bashing reviews of all time below. Tony
Banks should have called it a day long, long before...
General Evaluation:
Listenability: 3/5. Due
exclusively to tremendous inconsistencies - I mean, heck, when your output
ranges from Foxtrot (great prog) to Wind And Wuthering (terrible
prog) to Genesis (great pop) to We Can't Dance (terrible
pop) to Calling All Stations (one of the worst albums ever recorded),
you have to be careful with that rating, don't you?
Resonance: 3/5. Peter Gabriel
is one of those few dudes who brings real feelings into progressive. Phil
Collins, unfortunately, is NOT one of those few dudes.
Originality: 3/5. Lots of neat
ideas here - Genesis may not have initiated prog, but they gave the genre
its good reputation.
Adequacy: 3/5. One point off
because of Phil Collins and one point off because of our favourite keyboardist.
Sorry, I can't but be harsh here.
Overall: 3.0 = *
* * on the rating scale.
What do YOU think about Genesis? Mail your ideas
Your worthy comments:
Simon Hearn <simon@leehearn.freeserve.co.uk> (08.09.99)
How you can grant these guys a 3, I DO NOT KNOW! A one maybe, but 3?
I have to be honest and will say I hate genesis - in my opinion they are
the most boring "successful" band of all time. Nothing innovative
lies within their catalogue and they make Fleetwood Mac seem positively
avant gard. I know you may disagree strongly, but there you go!
Ps. Any band that spawns Phil Collins deserves a minus score
Peter Agnew <peter.agnew@xtra.co.nz> (10.09.99)
Genesis a three star artist - ahead of YES??? How could you do that?
OK, I can understand why you put King Crimson ahead of Yes, but GENESIS??
Ugh. Please forgive me if this sounds harsh, but as far as I'm concerned,
the only good thing about Genesis was (note tense) Peter Gabriel. The differing
paths that Genesis and Gabriel took in the eighties is instructive.
While the weakling Genesis decapitated itself and degenerated into a third
rate pop group, Gabriel's bold experiments with world music timbres broke
new ground in pop music. Compare Invisible Touch with So
and the former album is embarrassing!
But at least Genesis's stuff with Gabriel was intermittently interesting.
Only one problem, early Genesis never seemed to know how to rock. All my
prog-mates tell me that "Supper's Ready" is a great track, but
it just puts me to sleep. Selling England and Broadway do
have their moments though. But no, compared to Yes, King Crimson, Gentle
Giant and Van Der Graaf Generator, Genesis are certainly not a "three-star"
artist. Surely this little classification error can be easily rectified???
Peace and stay positive.
<kenneth.e.willis@bt.com> (25.10.99)
I have just GOT to write to you on this one.
Yes, Tony Banks is a professional (and educated). But put next to Keith
Emerson or Rick Wakeman he would look like Tony Banks -- and not have to
apologise for it. True, he may not play as fast as the other two gentlemen,
but is that such a bad thing? I liked 'Rondo 69' when it first appeared
but it doesn't compare well, thirty years later, with the original 'Rondo'.
Same for Wakeman. The whole solo part between the two book-ends of the
main them on 'Catherine Howard' (a track I adore: one of Wakeman's absolute
classics) is not improved by speeding it up, as in The Piano Album:
the playing is, of course, technically perfect but it is approaching the
soulless perfection of a paper-roll-driven mechanical piano. Tony Banks
has never succumbed to the temptation to speed up the glorious solo on
'Firth of Fifth': he has too much taste and knows it would be wrecked.
To those who say he would be incapable of doing so even if he wanted to,
...so what? Virtuoso speed is not everything.
You seriously underestimate Mr Banks if you think that Emerson or Wakeman
could make him look like a six-year old etc.,etc. One of his strengths
is his ability to write good tunes and to create new, albeit sometimes
short, solos. Apart from the aforementioned 'Firth of Fifth', take another
listen to his first solo album: A Curious Feeling. It is moody and
atmospheric with strong melodies. Mr Wakeman, however, whose music I will
never cease to love, and who can write some beautiful tunes, seems, to
me, to fall down when he extemporises, by relying on the same old cliches,
and variations on them, every time.
It is true that Tony's instruments are at the centre of the band's sound,
but this is surely necessary since Steve Hackett (a seriously under-rated
guitarist) left the group; it was not like that in Steve's time. I know
you feel otherwise but if you listen again you will hear give and take
between Tony and Steve, both on the accoustic, as well as electric guitar.
You might not like Tony's "corny keyboards and cornier synths"
but that is surely subjective. The man is an exceptionally talented keyboard
player. To say he isn't quite in Wakeman's or Emerson's class may be true:
but then comparisons, so we are told, are odious.
Mike DeFabio <defab4@earthlink.net> (26.10.99)
Why do all these people hate Genesis so much? I love Genesis. Before Gabriel quit they were better than Yes and King Crimson combined. They could have been my favorite band of all time, but ol' Pete decided to LEAVE and go SOLO (actually most of his solo albums are pretty good too. They ain't no Foxtrot, though) so my favorite band is Pink Floyd. But these guys were DAMN good.
Glenn Wiener <Glenn.Wiener@Entex.com> (04.02.2000)
I am not a big fan of these guys. However, I can relate to your reviews. It seems as when Peter Gabriel was in the band, these guys put out a more creative product. I remember looking at a picture in a 1976 Circus Magazine thinking,"What Odd Looking Dudes. They will never be around three years from now." Boy was I wrong. Whereas as the Phil Collins era put out some more radio friendly songs with catchy beats, I tend to find alot of the creativity from the Gabriel era seems to be missing. Also the tone of their songs are a little bit too eerie and programmed for my tastes.
Jeff Blehar <jdb3@jhu.edu> (21.02.2000)
To think...there was actually time when Phil Collins was hip! Really!
Anyway, I feel somewhat silly commenting on this page. I more or less despise
prog-rock (and I have heard quite a bit of Crimson, ELP, and Yes, so I
know of what I speak), but dammit, I love these guys silly! Perhaps I'm
a closet prog-lover? I don't know, but I'd like to take a shot at explaining
why I think these guys are worthwhile, from the point of view of a guy
whose predilection tend towards punk, rock, and new-wave.
First of all, mood. Genesis were more pastoral, dreamy, and English than
any of the other proggers out there, and it works in their advantage. Instead
of faceless airy-faerie mysticism like Yes or anonymous foreboding like
King Crimson, Genesis at their best are evocative - in a Kinkish sort of
way - of an idealized England that never was. That applies to both modern
England and the swords and sorcery days of yore. These guys can create
atmosphere pretty effortlessly.
Second of all, instrumental prowess. Not that these five (I speak of the
"classic" lineup of Gabriel/Banks/Rutherford/Collins/Hackett)
could play anywhere nearly as well as many of their contemporaries - Gabriel's
never been good at playing any instrument (as a flautist he's merely passable)
and only Collins (possibly Hackett) is a real virtuoso at his instrument.
Yes! Everyone forgets that: Phil Collins was (is?) an EXCELLENT drummer,
with a jazz background and a great sense of playing. Of course now he pumps
out musical filth, but let that go. Anyway, as I was saying, they play
well enough to be convincingly prog, yet not well enough (and I believe
this is really important) to lose their pop souls. Because they were never
technically amazing, they were never really in danger of taking off into
that super-complex soulless programmatic style that ELP and Yes lost themselves
in. They were prog band, but they never ceased being a pop band either.
Third, and most important, THEY HAD A SENSE OF HUMOR. Unlike almost ALL
of the other prog-rock groups. And I don't mean a forced ELP style "well
here's a funny bit now, look at it!" style of humor, where it's almost
there to PROVE something; Genesis was naturally self-deflationary. Call
them puffed-up foolery and pretentious crap if you want, but I seriously
doubt any band who made songs like "I Know What I Like" or "Harold
The Barrel" while having their lead singer alternately dress as a
female fox or a flower took themselves that seriously. So I never lose
sight of the fact that there are humans behind the music (at least during
the Gabriel years) and that's really important to me.
So that's why I like 'em, at least as far as I'm capable of explaining.
Oh yeah, and stop knocking Tony Banks' keyboards! I really don't see what
wrong with them at all. They don't really strike me as cheesy (until around
1979, I suppose, but EVERYBODY'S keyboards sounded cheesy at that point),
and they guy above me is right: that "Firth Of Fifth" opening
is wonderful.
John McFerrin <stoo@imsa.edu> (05.04.2000)
Hey, George, I think I have a greater understanding now of what it is
about Banks that drives me nutty in his pre-synthesizer days (of course,
his ToTT and WaW problem is that he has a large ego and little
taste for what makes a good keyboards sound). What I've noticed is just
how little the man plays his keys legato, or rather, the marked difference
in his playing on the occasions when he does. His playing on 'Firth of
Fifth', 'Battle of Epping Forest', and, oh, the beginning of 'Hogweed'
all have a wonderful flow to them, and as such they are extremely enjoyable
to the ear. Much of the rest of the time, though, he tries to deceive the
listener into thinking his parts are impressive by essentially placing
an accent on virtually every single note he plays! Sometimes it works ('Knife',
'Salamcis'), but usually it doesn't (the very beginning of Foxtrot,
etc).
That being said, his style does work if it's not at the forefront, such
as when he's driving 'WotS' forward, but a lot of the time it's just annoying.
Jeffrey A Morton <whitesnake5@juno.com> (09.05.2000)
George, you are mistakenly under the impression that Gabirel wrote most
of the lyrics for Genesis during his tenure. This isn't true. Yes, he did
write all the lyrics for The Lamb... and the song "Supper's
Ready". But classics like, "Fountain of Salmacis" (lyrics:
Mike Rutheford), "Watcher of the Skies" (lyrics: Tony Banks),
"Get em' Out By Friday" (Total collaborative effort from Banks,
Gabriel and Rutheford), "Firth of Fith" (lyrics: Tony Banks)
were written by people OTHER than Peter Gabriel. I could go on and on.
Hell, even Anthony Phillips wrote lyrics on Trespass.
On another note, why the hell do people blame Phil Collins for the dive
into adult pop that Genesis took. Most of the blame should lie on Mike
Rutheford's shoulders (ie: Mike and the Mechanics). Who as early as 1979
was delving into adult pop. Collins is a HELL of a drummer, dispite what
you think of his voice. And maybe wrote his best lyrics for "Blood
on the Rootops."
[Special author note: yeah,
actually I do know that Gabriel was not alone for the lyrics. Funny, though,
that the most pretentious and at times nauseating lyrics (the ones on 'Firth
Of Fifth' still make me cringe and come close to spoiling the perfect sensations
from the perfect music) were always written by Tony. What an amazing coincidence...]
Ted Goodwin <Ftg3plus4@cs.com> (10.05.2000)
Just a note on Mr. Morton's comment above: To give credit where credit is due, Steve Hackett wrote most of the lyrics to "Blood On The Rooftops", although Phil did come up with the title. (Source: SH's own web site.) Actually, these may have been the ONLY lyrics SH wrote for Genesis, but oh well.
Andrey <center_energo@mail.ru> (31.05.2000)
My name is Andrey, i am from Krasnoyarsk region of Russia. I think that Genesis (1969-1978) is greatest music band of 20 centery. Thank you.
Jeffrey A Morton <whitesnake5@juno.com> (15.06.2000)
Er, sorry 'bout that. Yea, I did know that Hackett wrot the lyrics on that song. Maybe I was thinking of "Robbery Assault and Battery."
Ivan Piperov <zwetan@stud.uni-frankfurt.de> (24.08.2000)
I used to hate Genesis and Phil Collins when I was in school and everyone sang "Jesus he knows me". Out of curiousity I listened to Nursery Cryme, to hear what they sounded like with Peter Gabriel. And I instantly fell in love with it all! They are the greates prog-band around, and Phil Collins is the most energetic drummer I've ever heard. I still can't believe it when I see him on TV singing these bland tunes, that this guy could rock like hell. He IS a virtuoso! Listen out for his contribution on some Brand X albums (great stuff too!) if you're not convinced. Today Genesis suck.
Year Of Release: 1969
Record rating = 8
Overall rating = 11
At least a dozen times better than everyone says it is.
Best song: THAT'S ME
Their only album for Decca - their early manager Jonathan King managed
to procure them this little contract when they were still schoolboys, but
it's no wonder that after the record's release Decca as only too happy
to severe all contacts. It sold less copies than Santa Claus' recent autobiography
and not only made them lose the contract, but also made them the laughing
stock of every critic alive (among those who actually managed to hear
the record, that is). What's even more pathetic, even now it is usually
still looked on as something to be really ashamed of - like some silly
childhood scribblings of a notorious poet that he'd forgotten to send down
the drain and then they had suddenly been unearthed and made public. Even
the band's fans usually shake their heads and say: 'Well, man, they were
young. Even the gods make mistakes sometimes'.
Well, sure enough that they do. It's easy to see what this album suffers
from. The music is highly derivative - there's not even a single truly
creative, original idea to be found when it comes to actual genre innovation.
The orchestration that runs wild and free through most of the tracks had
already been pioneered and patented by the Moody Blues and Procol Harum
and suchlike. The balladeering style had already been refined by the Bee
Gees and, well, er, the Beatles, for that matter. The sound effects are
generic: reverb, fuzz, phasing - by 1969, that was your usual kit. And,
finally, the concept, suggested to the band by King, is certainly overblown
to such an extent that it makes the album look grotesque: what, do you
really expect a bunch of eighteen-year old kids to put the description
of God's creation of the world to rock music with enough authenticity?
(Not to mention that the odd title of the record made many record stores
place it into the 'gospel' bin, which was yet another heavy blow to sales).
But hey! This is exactly where all the fun starts! For once, I feel
no bad feelings towards Gabriel and company for the puffed-up subject matter.
See, the subject matter is so pretentious, pompous and totally deprived
of any sense of humour that it's... an awful lot of fun - just an awful
lot of fun! Yes, they were young and naive, but that's just the thing that
redeems them; it's nothing but a charming piece of youthful romanticism.
Not to mention that this isn't really prog rock: the subject matter is
totally transparent, and Gabriel's lyrics can be called all but nonsensical:
naive, yes, cliched, yes, but already betraying signs of deep talent.
Now when we start speaking about the tunes themselves, this is where a
big smile comes to rest on my face. Call me crazy, but I love most of these
ditties - and there's quite a few of them. Whatever you say, they are pretty,
funny and catchy. They might be derivative for all I care, but they're
good. 'Where The Sour Turns To Sweet' sets the pace with its moody keyboards
and Gabriel's inviting singing, then 'In The Beginning' really recreates
the atmosphere of 'the beginning', with Peter croaning his 'you're in the
hands of destiny' line to a steady, solemn beat, and from then on, almost
every tune has at least something to offer in the line of hooks. Most often,
it's the pretty pop refrains ('Fireside Song'; 'In The Wilderness'; 'One
Day'), but sometimes it's the whole song that's intriguing ('The Serpent').
There are brilliant melodic resolutions all over the place - the vocal
melodies of 'Am I Very Wrong' and 'Fireside Song' are among the most grappling,
perfectly constructed ones I've ever heard. Pure pop perfection. Yes, the
weak production and the conventional instrumentation do show that this
is a naive, clumsy effort - the tunes don't vary too much and aren't that
memorable. But the talent is there, man. You can't deny it's there. Too
bad the world didn't accept this album back then and won't accept it now.
Too bad.
I'm not sure whether anybody would be in agreement with me over this one.
But what I'll say is this: this isn't really a pretentious album. This
is just a bunch of clean-cut, intelligent, artsy kids having some restricted
fun in the studio. Unexperienced, but highly talented kids. It's not a
cash-in, and it's not a crass product of some marketing scheme. It's an
innocent, fresh and funny piece of music. Bear that in mind and put that
record on with a smile.
Oh, and by the way: the original album is usually available under at least
a couple thousand titles, because the band's original manager Jonathan
King is still trying to make as much money out of it as possible. So he
comes up with a new title and a new album cover (and, probably, a new track
running order) each year. I, for one, have the album under the title Where
The Sour Turns To Sweet. It's good in that it also includes two of
their earlier flop singles. The A-sides are rather generic, although listenable
and even enjoyable, flower power ditties ('The Silent Sun'; 'A Winter's
Tale'). The B-sides are incredible, though, probably being the best tracks
on the whole album: 'That's Me' is a terrific misanthropic/egotistic anthem,
punctuated by Gabriel's alternating between low grumbling vocals and an
almost falsetto shrieking, while 'One-Eyed Hound' is, I think, a gothic
horror tale set to an appropriate melody. My advice is: if you've decided
to get the album, wait until you've found the version with these bonuses.
That's me! Mail your ideas
Your worthy comments:
John McFerrin <stoo@imsa.edu> (07.02.2000)
I got this in the mail today (gotta love ebay) and I must say I pretty
much agree with you here (surprise). The bonus tracks are alright, but
the album itself is great! It's all in a style like The Moodies 'Love and
Beauty,' and that's alright by me! And the songs are all pretty. And Gabriel
has his great voice.
I agree with the 8.
Bob <Trfesok@aol.com> (08.02.2000)
Finally, a positive review of this album. It really is simplistic compared to the groups later work, but so what? A wonderful collection of naive pop songs, filled with teenage angst and childlike wonder -- give me this over Marilyn Manson any day. They really only get totally sappy in "One Day"(Animal friends/please help me decide? -- give me a break). I totally agree about "One-Eyed Hound", and my favorite is "The Conqueror" - -that one has a more rock edge that points to their future. I originally bought the album because I was told it sounds like the Moody Blues, and fans of that group will not be disappointed.
Jeff Blehar <jdb3@jhu.edu> (21.02.2000)
Ugh. I really tried to like this one - I knew going in that it was no
masterpiece, that most considered it embarrassing, that it sounded like
the Bee Gees, etc. Heck, I even knew most of the songs pretty well, having
bought the (excellent) boxed set before this album.
But man, this is REALLY atrocious. I mean, I have no problem with the songs
not sounding like proggy "Genesis" songs; I'm more of a fan of
pop than prog anyway. But these songs sound like bad Zombies ripoffs. Not
Bee Gees - everyone makes that comparison, but I really believe that anyone
else familiar with The Zombies' (amazing) Odessey And Oracle will
hear a thousand steals and imitations here, only worse. Thus far I've never
met anyone familiar with both albums: anyone out there agree with me? Anyway,
a lot of the songs are quite boring, like "Am I Very Wrong?"
or "A Place To Call My Own," and "Where The Sour Turns To
Sweet." And I for one don't get a thing out of the singles, except
that one B-side, "One Eyed Hound," which I like 'cause it's so
stupid. Some of the songs here are pretty damn good compositions, however
- "The Serpent," "In The Beginning," "One Day,"
"The Conqueror" and especially "In The Wilderness"
are all well-written pop songs. But they're ruined by a) poor, poor performances
(you call that GUITAR PLAYING??) and b) the world's shittiest production
ever. I mean, the bad performances are one thing, and they're salvageable
(both Banks' piano and Gabriel's nervous singing are quite good), but the
production utterly ruins this. I know this because I have the boxed set,
where the band intentionally presents a bunch of these songs in rough mono
mixes, but in otherwise identical versions. Here, the songs are damn catchy,
especially "In The Wilderness," which I contend is nothing less
than a lost classic, with that great "music, all I hear is music"
chorus. But on the album, they've been subjected to some of the most hamfisted
stereo separation since the days of the "reprocessed stereo"
of the early Rolling Stones albums, as well as truly crappy orchestration.
The strings and horns just DO NOT work, and they render the entire album
- already built on the somewhat dodgy concept of the Bible - a real chore
to get through. By the way, did you know that Gabriel was so anxious about
singing these songs in the studio that he was constantly taking cold showers
and puking in between takes? Perhaps he knew what the end result was going
to be. There's a reason the band pretended this album didn't exist for
so long. 3/10.
[Special author note: just wanted
to remark here that that funny trivia tidbit about Gabriel taking cold
showers only adds to the charming naivety of the album, never detracts
from it. That's the key to enjoying this stuff. And - well
- sorry to say that, but the production doesn't worry me even a single
bit. Maybe I'm aurally challenged or sumpthin'...]
John McFerrin <stoo@imsa.edu> (23.02.2000)
I've really been trying to figure out why people are so negative about
this album, and I think I came up with a reason that hasn't really been
stressed much. That's the fact that, unless I'm mistaken, this is a completely
acoustic album. Screw the strings and brass, this is just piano and a guitar
with a hole in the middle.
FINE BY ME! Seeing as Banks didn't have a very huge grasp of how to make
his keyboard parts interesting (although I think you're underrating his
work on Lamb, believe it or not), isn't piano a refreshing alternative?
And with the guitars, well, Hackett wasn't yet in the band, so there's
no reason to be complaining about the lack of electric sound yet. Most
importantly, though, what this does is cause you to concentrate on the
actual _songs_. Screw the 'concept', if I want a Genesis concept album
I'll listen to Lamb (and btw, I've been listening to it a lot lately,
and looking for stuff on the plot on the Net, and I've found that NOT ONLY
does it have a plot, it is EXTREMELY interesting and deep. Seriously).
But here, I have my attention drawn by 'Wilderness' and the like. So there.
I stand by the 8.
Ben Greenstein <bgreenstein@nctimes.net> (16.04.2000)
ICK ICK ICK!!!!!!! Sorry, George, but this is perhaps the worst album
I've ever heard! The songs all sound comatose, with not even a hint of
energy, and the melodies - well, I can go to a high school battle of the
bands and hear more creative and catchy songs than this. I don't care about
the instrumentation or production, the fact is, the band simply are NOT
good songwriters at this point. "That's Me" is ALMOST catchy.
That's it. I give the album a one!
[Special author note: you people
might think I'm crazy, but I'm willing to defend the poor lads at all costs.
Who dares to accuse them of uncatchiness? 'Ocean of motion, squirming around
and up and down, pushing together, scattering mountains all around you?'
'Once upon a time there was confusion, disappointment, fear and disillusion?'
'Am I very wrong/To hide behind the glare/From an open minded stare?' 'Music,
all I hear is music - guaranteed to please?' 'Pick me up, put me down/Push
me in, turn me round/Switch me on, let me go - I have a mind of my own?'
'One day I'll capture you and call you to my side/One day I'll take you
from the boredom of our lives?' 'And it's all gone wrong/Night is the time
for chasing the one-eyed hound?'
I could go on (what the hell, every second song on here has something like
that), but I won't. THIS is not creative or catchy? THESE beautiful chantings
are comatose? Lou Reed's Berlin is comatose, or R.E.M's Up
(that's not to say these albums are bad - comatose does have its value
at times, but we just need to set things straight). Please tell me the
exact address of that high school where they write such songs. This high
school will save the world, no doubt about that!
I reiterate - This Band At This Particular Point In Their Career Writes
Good, Original, Memorable, Non-Derivative Vocal Melodies. And that's all
I need, dammit. Just like John above, I proudly stand by the 8. Ooh, I'm
really tired. Any more counterarguments and I'll raise it to a ten.]
Adrian <HanzDaBird@aol.com> (17.06.2000)
I surprised myself with this one! I actually really like this album! It's quite charming and docile compared to every album after this. Peter Gabriel is a great vocalist and makes every line sound honest and inspired. Granted, it's hard to ignore how many ideas have been recycled and melodies stolen...but come on, they had yet to find their sound. So they borrow it from others, and this fact does not hurt the album one bit in my eyes. My favorite track (right now anyway) is 'In The Wilderness'. It would be hard for me to find a weak track (even though my copy has so many...like 17 + 2 bonus tracks). The only problem I see is that they all start to sound the same after a while. Perhaps it's meant to just be one big song! :)
Year Of Release: 1970
Record rating = 7
Overall rating = 10
Progressive, long-winded and too often - boring. But, as they say,
it "points the way to the future".
Best song: THE KNIFE
Well, this looks like the familiar 'Genesis' wagon already. Even though
only a year had passed since FGTR, Peter Gabriel already sounds
like he's undergone a fifty-years spiritual training course in Tibet or,
at the least, in Oxford's Department of Philosophy. What's the news, you
say? Well, it's like those charming, blue-eyed kids that stared at you
from the last album's cover with white innocence never existed. They are
not represented on the Trespass cover at all, by the way. (For that
matter, no Genesis album pictured the band members until 1978, and even
then it was rather an exception - in the finest traditions of prog).
The lyrics have gotten 'off the deep end', one would say. This time, they're
either paranoid ('Looking For Someone'), or schizofrenic ('Stagnation'),
or visionary ('Visions Of Angels'). At times Peter Gabriel seems to have
been reading too much Machiavelli ('The Knife'), and at times - too much
Jack London ('White Mountain'; or was it Rudyard Kipling that inspired
him for this story of two wolves battling for a mystical crown?). It's
obvious that he is in a transitional state: his poetry isn't as childishly
naive as on FGTR, but it hasn't yet become acquainted with the curious
and fascinating Brit-tingled imagery he'd start to develop soon afterwards.
It's just... on the brink. Note, however, that Peter wasn't the only lyricist
around - some of the lyrics should be credited to Tony and some to Anthony
Philips, so I'm not responsible. In general, one must say that the lyrics
are still way too pretentious and snubby, with 'White Mountain' crowning
it all in puffed-up stupidity. But not always.
The songs are getting longer, too. Much longer. And this is really
what makes this record a relative downer. As long as Gabriel sings, everything
seems to be OK: the melodies are existent, the song structures are terrifyingly
complex (another Genesis trademark) but discernible, and standouts such
as 'The Knife' even get your blood flowing. However, there are too many
instrumental breaks, and, like I already mentioned in the intro, soloing
is just not a Genesis forte. So most of these breaks are boring to the
extreme - in fact, it wouldn't be until Selling England By The Pound
that the band would have finally learned how to fill in the breaks with
creative ideas, and even then only for a short time. For the most part,
they serve to demonstrate us the ample talents of Mr Banks (there are almost
no guitar solos), and, like I said, Mr Banks is not a very talented keyboard
player. At least, there's little or nothing in his backpack to make me
interested. And this results in my usual longing to fast forward the instrumental
parts. BUT - if you exclude the instrumental parts, you'll be left with
only half the running time (if not less), so the main flaw of the album
is obvious.
Considering the band's relatively low instrumental skills, this isn't too
surprising. This is actually what happens when you set out to become a
prog band without having spent enough time at your instrument. To compensate
for the lack of flashiness, the band goes for atmosphere: solemn Mellotron
noodling, one-note bass passages, simplistic, repetitive acoustic passages,
and lots of insipid musical phrases played so quietly you don't even notice.
Even when Peter picks up the flute on occasion you can't help but laugh:
he plays it so carefully and tenderly, but it's just because he can't play
any complex passages, so he has to breathe everything he can into one single
note. About the only fascinating musical passage I can remember is the
eyebrow-raising Mellotron solo in the first part of 'Stagnation' (if that's
a Mellotron, of course). It sounds so friggin' weird and otherworldly,
especially with these 'bends' at the beginning of the third minute. Just
sooo spaced out and trippy that it really makes you wonder.
Apart from that problem, fine melodies. 'The Knife' is the best on here
- the first timeless Genesis classic concerning Peter's reflexations on
revolution and violence in general; it was also the only number from the
album to make it onto the regular stage set. It's also the most (and the
only) hard-rockin' piece on here, actually, it might be the heaviest song
ever recorded by Genesis if I'm not mistaken, and for those who have been
previously lulled to sleep, it's a natural way to get thrown out of the
comatose state into a world of chaos, distortion, stormy organ solos and
poisonous, sneering vocals. Not coincidentally, for many people this is
the only song on the entire album worth mentioning, just because it's so
seriously different from every other song on here - a great dynamic, psychotic
ending for an otherwise calm, solemn, slow-paced, wintery kind of record.
But then again, the solitary, secluded-atmosphere-style 'Looking For Someone'
is kinda awesome too, with Peter at his most desperate; and 'Visions Of
Angels' is quite in the FGTR style, if you get my drift. It's got
a catchy pop chorus, after all. And I actually came around to liking the
sung parts in 'Stagnation' - that section where Peter goes 'ah-ah-ah- AH
- ah-ah- AH - ah- said - I wanna sit down!' moves me to tears, and I'm
almost ready to rush out and offer Gabriel the drink he's longing for so
much, 'to take all the dust and the dirt from my throat'. In all, the vocal
melodies and Gabriel's talent are so much evident here that it makes me
forgive all the lengthy, pointless instrumental noodlings; if not for the
utterly moronic 'White Mountain', perhaps the biggest artistic misstep
of the entire Gabriel period, I'd have given it an even bigger rating.
Looking for someone to mail his ideas
Your worthy comments:
Mike DeFabio <defab4@earthlink.net> (24.08.99)
Yeah, sometimes it's boring but sometimes it's REALLY COOL. 'The Knife'
is great, 'Looking For Someone' is great. 'Visions of Angels' is great.
The other songs are boring, but these three songs are great!
A seven!
Richard C. Dickison <randomkill@earthlink.net> (20.12.99)
I have not heard this album for a long time, but lets see....
Tell me my life is about to begin, tell me that I'm a hero.... Now, when
I give the word, it's time to fight for your freedom, Now,......
Good song, 'The Knife', damn good song. It will ring in your head for a
good long time. Peter started putting darker emotions in his songs. This
album was the beginning of something special. Lot's of low points too,
mind you. This would be a good buy if you really liked what you heard in
Selling England By The Pound.
Bob <Trfesok@aol.com> (08.02.2000)
My favorite Genesis album, although I'm in the minority! We get the youthful earnest sentiments of the previous album tied into a quantum leap of musical prowess. I find the long instrumental passages not dull at all, but the interplay of acoustic guitar, flute and keyboards quite soothing. And I love the lyrics -- we get sci-fi ("Stagnation"), politics ("The Knife"), fantasy ("White Mountain") and apocalyptic searching (the rest). I would agree that Hackett is a far more accomplished guitarist than Phillips (especially on electric), but I consider Mayhew's drumming here, if not more versatile than Collins's jazz influenced stuff, more powerful than anything on the later albums. And while a lot of people seemed charmed by Pete's later eccentricities, I have found them annoying, and here he keeps them at bay.
Jeff Blehar <jdb3@jhu.edu> (21.02.2000)
Strange, George. I *really* like this one - I understand that it's technically
inferior to most of their other Gabriel-era albums, but it's got such a
mood and an atmosphere that I'm always taken in by it. I certainly prefer
it to Nursery Cryme. First of all, I must commend the group: the
jump from 1969's From Genesis To Revelation to 1970's Trespass
has got to one of the most sudden, thorough, and convincing reinventions
a band has performed upon itself. There's almost no trace whatsoever of
the original style of the group left; perhaps "Visions Of Angels"
as you said, but even that one's miles ahead of its predecessors.
Anyway, normally when I see six songs on the back of a CD case, all sortsa
klaxons start going off in my head. Six songs means LONG songs. And pretentious
songs. And, as is the case with most prog-rock, BAD songs. But not 'ere!
I could've sworn that I was going to reject Trespass the way a body
rejects a transplanted liver, but criminy joseph, the operation went smoothly,
'cause here's six GOOD long songs!
Well alright, I'll be the first to admit that "White Mountain"
blows a kielbasa, but the other five are really cool! And I mean that both
in the sense that they're neat and in the sense that they're cold. Because
Trespass is, above all, a mood album. And that mood is a surprisingly
frosty, wintry one. Maybe it's the blue cover. Maybe it's the haunted Peter
Gabriel crying out a capella "Looking for someone!...I guess I'm doing
that/Trying to find a memory in a dark room." Maybe it's the icy crystalline
tinkle of that catchy little piano line in "Visions Of Angels"
or the snowy windy night of "Dusk." Indeed, it could be the fiery,
swirling, psychotic descent into hellish madness of "The Knife."
Wait. That last one completely breaks character. The other songs though,
while not lapel-grabbiingly catchy, are just so right; they set a scene,
maintain a rarified atmosphere, and, as long you don't listen to some of
the more gratingly overblown lyrics (e.g. "White Mountain"),
hold your interest quite nicely. And then there's "The Knife."
Once I heard this one, I knew I'd never feel guilty about liking Genesis
again. I mean, this song musically kicks arse, with that hopping, schizophrenic
keyboard figure and it's got these shockingly violent lyrics. I mean, bands
like King Crimson played at being dark and foreboding most of their careers,
but here Peter Gabriel manages to trump all those folks effortlessly with
a set of really paranoid, bloody lyrics. I mean, he comes right out and
says "Some of you are going to die," and it doesn't sound like
a joke or an affectation - Peter was one of those performers who really
was capable of sounding possessed by the music he was singing and he sounds
dead serious here. If "The Knife" was the only thing here I'd
still love this album, but I like everything else too, so I'm going to
break ranks and give this an 9/10.
Ben Greenstein <bgreenstein@nctimes.net> (16.04.2000)
Maybe a five for me, because as much as I love "The Knife" to death (how can anyone not?), none of the other songs do anything interesting in the least. A lot of people have pointed to "Looking For Someone," but, to be honest, that's the one I hate the most. A memorable melody, sure, but a poorly-lyriced, obnoxious one in the vein of "I've Seen All Good People," another song I hate. Still, "The Knife" is really good. A five, like I say.
Adrian <HanzDaBird@aol.com> (17.06.2000)
Uck! What an utter waste of my time. I love prog-rock just as much as the next pompous bastard, but what is this? Are there even songs on this album? Sure, I hear a bunch of pretty melodies and sounds here and there...but the rest is filled with endless keyboard and guitar fiddling. This album's only reason for existence is 'The Knife', which is a wonderfully dark track which gives us a picture of what the future holds. It's only weakness seems to be Genesis' need to stick to a formula and stick the obligatory flute passage in there. It seems very out of place to me. The rest of the songs lack distinction and all sound like mindless sound-collages. It's just a boring album. Even Peter Gabriel's wonderful voice can't save this one from collecting dust on my shelf next to Pink Floyd's A Momentary Lack of Reason.
Year Of Release: 1971
Record rating = 8
Overall rating = 11
The boredom is still there, but, truthfully, there's lots of pure
entertainment on this record.
Best song: THE RETURN OF THE GIANT HOGWEED
This is where the 'classic Genesis formula' finally falls into place,
together with the acquisition of new guitarist Steve Hackett and new drummer
Phil Collins - the cute little bald chappie with probably the most unpredictable
career in the whole history of rock/pop. Back then, though, he did have
all of his hair firmly in place and rarely ventured onto the steep path
of singing, much less songwriting... oh man, those were the days. Not that
I have any hard feelings towards Phil (except for ruining Clapton's career
in the mid-Eighties, that is), but somehow he always looks more favourable
on photos dating back to, say, nineteen seventy-three, than any time in
the present. But let's get on with reviewing, shall we?
The new guys do contribute a lot of interesting stuff to the band's sound,
from Phil's mature prog-rolls to Hackett's professional soloing (that is,
when he does get a chance to do some soloing, which isn't that often, and
even then he managed to procure himself an elaborate pedal which makes
his guitar sound just like it was another of Tony's synths). But it's neither
Collins nor Hackett that manage to beef up the rating for the record. Rather
it is Gabriel's lyrics, which have finally matured to the point of being
able to successfully compete with the lyrical brand of such cultural heroes
as Pete Sinfield, Keith Reid or Jon Anderson, and, I'm not afraid to say
it, to beat them at it.
The material is divided here into two groups: the three lengthy, pretentious
marathons ('Musical Box', 'Return Of The Giant Hogweed', 'Fountain Of Salmacis'),
balanced by a handful of shorter, not-so-pretentious ballads and suchlike.
Those of you who hate lengthy pretentious prog rock, however, won't get
much of the shorter numbers. See, at some point Gabriel obviously decided
that the simple pop tunes he proved himself master of on FGTR were
way too obsolete and dated (hey! that's what everybody else says about
it, isn't it? but not me!), so he eliminated them and preferred to concentrate
himself on weird verse structures and chord progressions that are so complicated
it kinda makes you sorry about what you thought of that last Beach Boys
album... What I'm trying to tell you, actually, is that these shorter numbers
might sound nice, but none of them are memorable in the least - no matter
how you try to get into them, all you'll be left in the end is some crazy
background noise. While you're in, though, you might just as well enjoy
it.
'Harlequin', while not possessing any distinct melody or distinct hooks,
is at least pretty, in the Genesis vibe, and 'Harold The Barrel' is just
a fantastic tune, sounding slightly like a medieval Brit folk song, but
only slightly: it almost looks like it was built on a "cut-and-paste"
principle, with several different melodies cut in little pieces and slapped
one over another in a fashion that seems ugly and strained at first, but
turns out to be brilliantly executed in the end. Of course, all this contributes
to the tune's utter unmemorability, but the individual mini-pieces are
all perfectly written and joined together. I kinda enjoy the actual story,
too, though I admit it's a little hard to understand why Harold the Barrel
was going to jump out of the window... 'For Absent Friends' and 'Seven
Stones' kinda suck, though, both the melodies and the lyrics. Can't really
enjoy them. Somewhat sloppy, if you ask me. Somewhat senseless, if you
ask me, too. Come on now, what is 'Seven Stones' about, with its
unclear images with unclear purposes? Sounds like a Trespass outtake
to me. Oh, and for the record 'For Absent Friends' features the first ever
apparition of Phil Collins in the role of lead singer, but that hardly
improves the song.
Now, about the three lengthy marathons. These will take a really
long time to get into, but you might do that, and once you do, you'll be
happy about it. The lyrics are mostly swell - Lewis Carroll rip-offs
with elements of black humour and gothic mystery on 'Musical Box', a fantazmo
sci-fi horror tale on 'Giant Hogweed', and a lovely Greek myth about the
Hermaphrodite set to music on 'Salmacis'. Out of these, 'Hogweed' is my
favourite: the way that Gabriel recreates the atmosphere of panic created
by the onslaught of the 'giant hogweed' against the planet is purely intoxicating,
with the screams of 'turn and run! stamp them out! waste no time! strike
by night!' being the most groovy part. Even the synths feel right in their
place here, and the guitar/synth duet in the intro is amazing - an ultra-complex
riff played at lightning speed in complete unison. And the main melody
is, well, it kinda resembles something in between a music-hall tune and
a martial rhythm. Very complex, yet very solid and memorable in the end.
But I also respect 'Musical Box' (a long-time fan favourite) for its beauty
and, in part, even Pink Floyd-ian moments (the alternation of quiet and
loud in the line 'and I see... and I feel... and I touch... THE WALL!'
are certainly Wall-ish). And, finally, 'Salmacis' is just slick,
with really talented and meaningful lyrics (after all, this is nothing
but a retelling of an old Greek myth) and decent music. But, as you can
see, my bet is on Gabriel more than anyone else. Only his singing can make
these tunes come to life. So, when the instrumental parts (and they're
not that short, I tell you) take over, you'll be bored, I tell you, unless
it's a rare case of an expert Steve Hackett solo (he's especially demonic
on 'Musical Box'). You - will - be - bored. Why? Because Gabriel and Hackett
are the only real virtuosos in the band, that's why. And let me tell you
that, as much as I respect (or don't respect) Phil Collins, he absolutely
was not the perfect choice for a vocalist. Sure, his voice does
sound a lot like Gabriel's, but he's got a lot less of a range,
and he can never make a record come alive just by the sheer abilities of
his vocal chords, as Gabriel often does. Oh, but that comes on later. Sorry.
For absent friends: wherever you are, mail your ideas
Your worthy comments:
Jeff Blehar <jdb3@jhu.edu> (21.02.2000)
Yes, it SOUNDS infinitely better, both because of the improved production and also because of the addition of Hackett and Collins, but I find this album to be much less engaging than Trespass. "The Musical Box" and "The Fountain Of Salmacis" are really, really impressive compositions (even if the latter's lyrics a tad bit precious for my tastes), but "The Return Of The Giant Hogweed" really leaves me cold. It shouldn't; I mean, it's got all the requisite parts, including a great set of riffs and a good Gabriel vocal, but the whole is distinctly less than the sum of its parts. And the short songs are really unmemorable. They're basically repeats of most of the musical themes of Trespass minus the novelty and most of the interest: "Seven Stones" and "Harlequin" will pass by without so much as a single exciting moment. "For Absent Friends" is cute, but that's about it. However, I now dig "Harold The Barrel" where I used to dislike it. How to describe it? Alright: take a typical Genesis musico-lyrical epic brimming with ideas like the 27-minute "Supper's Ready." Now collapse the whole damn thing into TWO AND A HALF MINUTES. Once you get over the sheer sensory overload of being pelted with so many different musical ideas and such a fast-moving lyric, you'll really appreciate the wacky li'l thing. Or maybe you won't. I do. But that and the two epic bookends aside, this album is just so much aural filler to my ears, without even so much as a unifying mood to make it really memorable. 5/10, perhaps a 6.
Ben Greenstein <bgreenstein@nctimes.net> (16.04.2000)
They're still learning, but at least this time they pull out some memorable melodies and sound effects. I can't get into "Giant Hogweed," and "Harlequin" is pointless, but "Musical Box," "Harold The Barrell," and "For Absent Friends" are the first Genesis songs that are really, well, dark! And ENJOYABLE - interesting music is definitely a must have for any album. Gabe and Co. are, thankfully, beginning to learn this.
Jean-Paul Keulen <keulen@phys.leidenuniv.nl> (26.04.2000)
My favorite Genesis album. Trespass sounds like Genesis but for some reason the album just does nothing for me. (I won't even mention their debut album - o wait, I just did.) Foxtrot, Selling England and The Lamb Lies Down are excellent too, but if I'd have to pick one Genesis desert island disc, it would have to be this one. 'The Musical Box' is simply marvellous, perfect, wow! And most of the other songs are genuine classics too: 'Seven Stones', 'Return of the Giant Hogweed', 'Harold the Barrel', 'Fountain of Salmacis'... Ah, just typing the names of these tracks makes me want to listen to them, right now! 'For Absent Friends' and 'Harlequin' are, in my opinion, a bit weaker than the other songs on the album. Furthermore, I don't think there's a single boring minute on this album. I'd give it a 9 or a 10.
Adrian <HanzDaBird@aol.com> (17.06.2000)
Much, much better. Phil Collins and Steve Hackett really add some needed inspiration to the Genesis crew. The opening track is incredible, 'Seven Stone' is beautiful, and 'Return of the Giant Hogweed' is hilarious. The only track I'm not sold on is 'Harold The Barrel'. The story is quite entertaining, but the song itself isn't very memorable. If you asked me how it goes, the only part I can remember is the "you must be joking" lyric. That's it. Still, compared to the filler on the previous album, this one is much more worthy of the Genesis moniker.
Rich Bunnell <taosterman@yahoo.com> (07.07.2000)
A neat album, and almost as good as the following one. None of the songs are particularly stunning, but none of them are really bad either, though a couple of the short acoustic ones like "For Absent Lovers" or "Harlequin" probably could've been nixed in favor of another longer song. Because, let's be honest, the longer tunes REALLY take the cake here. "The Return Of The Giant Hogweed," "The Musical Box" and "The Fountain of Salmacis" are all EXCELLENT multi-part songs (well...not really multi-part on that last one, but still good) which don't fail to thrill me for their entire extended running times. I also think that "Seven Stones" is gorgeous and that "Harold The Barrel" is a nifty, bouncy-catchy distraction from an otherwise serious album (why do people say that Genesis only started making pop with "I Know What I Like"? Here's some earlier pop for y'all!), an album which is pretty consistent the whole way through and deserves at least an 8.
Ted Goodwin <Ftg3plus4@cs.com> (19.07.2000)
I agree that most of the shorter songs here are unmemorable and pointless,
although they're pretty enough. I don't really have anything against them.
(Am I the only one who thinks Pete doesn't sound like himself on "Harlequin"?)
But "Harold" (which Jeff B. really nailed in his earlier comment)
is my favorite song on the album, short or long. I especially like the
way the music, rather than the words, informs us that Harold has jumped.
(As you said, we're not told why Harold wants to jump, but his mother's
careless disregard for his feelings at the end may give us a clue as to
the origins of his cynical despair.)
As for as the long songs: "Musical Box" is understandably the
most enduring track here, although Gabriel ruins the ending for me with
his smutty imagery and his incessant "NOW NOW NOW NOW NOW"s.
"Hogweed" is an acquired taste, but it's fun to hear Pete take
such a left-field concept (which might have come from some pre-lyrics working
title) and playing it so straight. Great guitar noises by Mr. Hackett on
the instrumental break! "Salmacis" really brings the old story
to life, although rather melodramatically. Plus, there's no clue as to
what the nymph's motivation is.
(P.S.: That has to be one of the most potentially offensive album covers
ever made.)
Nick Karn <glassmoondt@yahoo.com> (30.08.2000)
I think you're pretty much right on the money here - 'the boredom is still there, but truthfully, there's a lot of pure entertainment on this record' sums it up nicely. None of these songs are really unworthwhile, but the longer epics tend to work a lot more than the shorter songs. "Harlequin" and "Seven Stones" almost define the category of songs that are good and enjoyable while they're on, but are highly unmemorable afterwards. I do adore "Harold The Barrel", though - Peter Gabriel's sense of humor is truly something spectacular, and I like the idea that it's almost structured as if it's one of their longer epics compressed into three minutes. On the subject of the epic songs, you're probably right about "Hogweed" being the best of the lot - a fantastic balance between Gabriel's lyrical wit, and the very well structured epic scope of their early period. "Fountain Of Salamacis" also works very well on a storytelling level and has groovy bass work popping up all over the place, and "The Musical Box" alternates impressively between beautiful instrumental textures/vocals and fantastic jamming. The noticeable negative aspect here is the production, which present the bass and drums somewhat more prominently than the other instruments (but then, I got this album used in an unremastered version) - that can be forgiven, though, since it was 1971 afterall. An 8(11) is a perfect score for this one, and it's an improvement over the slightly weaker and less focused Trespass. It's no Selling England of course, though. :)
Philip Maddox <slurmsmckenzie@hotmail.com> (27.11.2000)
This would get a very, very, VERY low nine from me. A couple of the songs are kind of filler-y, but still nice ("For Absent Friends", "Harlequin"), and one is pretty majestic sounding and good, but not exactly excellent ("Seven Stones", which features a very pretty chorus, if you ask me). The rest is so damn good, though, that I'd feel wrong giving this less than a nine. "Harold" is absolutely nuts, and features more original ideas in 3 minutes than Kansas came up with in 25 years. And the three epics... wow! "Salmacis" is very pretty indeed, with Tony's mellotron sounding especially great. Steve's guitar bits aren't bad either, though. "Hogweed" is unbelievably cool, featuring a really great, unsettling melody and, like you said, cool, cool lyrics. And then there's the album opener, "The Musical Box". The first 8 minutes are really really good, alternating those really pretty bits with the loud guitar soloing, but then, those last two minutes... the last two minute bit of that song is my favorite piece of music. Period. That is SO DAMNED GORGEOUS!!! The way the organ ascends and descends, Peter's desperate vocals, the way Steve's guitar comes in, the cool, crashing finale of it... yow! If the album contained only those 2 minutes, it'd be worth having, but the rest is really good too. As prog rockers, Gabriel's Genesis really had it going on like no other band.
Year Of Release: 1972
Record rating = 9
Overall rating = 12
The focus of the band's legend, it is all that good - but
you have to strain yourself for it.
Best song: GET 'EM OUT BY FRIDAY
More of the same formula: lengthy marathons with boring instrumental
passages, increasingly complicated prog lyrics and Gabriel's fantastic
singing skills. But even better this time around; the instrumental passages
are generally less boring because they tend to be shorter and more multi-part,
the lyrics are getting interestinger and interestinger, and Gabriel's singing
skills are on the rise again, as he goes deeper and deeper into his amazing
brand of "rock theater".
Just like in Cryme, there are three lengthy marathons, but one of
them is really long. You know, of course, what I'm talking about:
the famous side-long 'Supper's Ready'. While you'll see quite a few reader
comments condemning me for my initial rejection of the most part of the
suite below, time has certainly improved my feelings towards it. Obviously,
the suite was written mostly with the aim of "not falling behind"
the other prog bands like ELP, Van Der Graaf Generator, King Crimson and
particularly Jethro Tull, all of which had already released side-long pieces
by the time - and some of them had done pretty well on the charts. But
fortunately for us, Peter Gabriel was such a talented fella that the effort
eventually turned out to be much more than an obligatory tribute to his
predecessors.
'Supper's Ready' is basically Gabriel's take on the Apocalypse (actually,
one of the parts is subtitled 'Apocalypse In 9/8') - I will not
go into details on the song's 'spiritual essence' and the meaning of all
of its individual sections, because all such things are rather debatable.
There are lengthy resources for the explanation of 'Supper' on the Net,
together with resources annotating The Lamb; check 'em out for yourselves.
Here, it must be noted that most of the parts are supposed to have actual
meaning, and the suite flows quite well. Kudos to the band, in particular,
for actually providing us with quite a few melodies: the twenty-plus minute
length is fully compensated by the multiple themes, ranging from soft and
subtly ominous to gritty and openly aggressive. With all their pretentions
and ambitions, they could have easily pumped out the Close To The Edge
formula (a few good melodies diluted by tons of acquired-taste atmosphere),
but instead they're in for some real musical meat. And thus, after a few
listens that are needed to get used to the tune in general, it only sags
in a couple of places: some instrumental breaks are, as usual, lengthier
than they should be, and a couple sections like 'How Dare I Be So Beautiful'
and the already mentioned 'Apocalypse In 9/8' are, well, overshadowed by
the better moments. But when said moment is better, it's usually topnotch.
'Lover's Leap', with its tale of two lovers merging as one, is sad and
romantic, driven forth by a gorgeous medieval guitar line; 'The Guaranteed
Eternal Sanctuary Man' is climactic, with loads of wonderful atmosphere;
and 'Ikhnaton And Itsacon And Their Band Of Merry Men' is a stomping piece
of battle fury with Hackett at his very very best. The fun comes on 'Willow
Farm', where Gabriel is the main and only star: it's one of his most impressive
theatrical British deliveries ever. And 'As Sure As Eggs Are Eggs' brings
us back to the climactic moments of the second part, culminating in the
triumphant coming of the Lord 'to lead his children home, to take them
to the new Jerusalem'.
Throughout, the band pulls out nearly everything out of their sleeves:
Tony's playing is moderate and restrained, resulting in quite a few blistering
organ and Mellotron passages, Rutherford is supplying pretty acoustic guitar,
Hackett stays in the shadows but the presence of his guitar in the background
is always noticeable, Phil is Phil, and Gabriel... no, his starry hour
had yet to come with the next record, but his singing on 'Willow Farm'
definitely puts him in the league of Supermen. If you haven't yet seen
that video of the Genesis History, rent it if only with the aim
of witnessing Mr Gabriel hop around the stage in his flower outfit while
doing the 'Willow Farm' bit. An unforgettable experience. So screw the
meaning - Apocalypse or not, this is simply a hodge-podge of enthralling
musical ideas and inspired vocal and instrumental performances.
For me, however, side A hardly refuses to match Gabriel's interpretation
of the Apocalypse on side B. Not all, of course: 'Can-Utility And The Coasters'
is classic Genesis filler, it doesn't do a single thing for me. Some people
seem to like it, but I don't see how it is better than, say, 'Harlequin'
on the previous record. Genesis are essentially a power band: they
very rarely get on by soft melodies alone, it's the contrast between soft
and hard (I mean, upbeat and majestic) that makes their songs work. There
is hardly any power in 'Can-Utility', just a lot of atmospheric acoustic
guitar and a few more Mellotron notes that don't seem to achieve any positive
effect.
But the fan favourite 'Watcher Of The Skies' is certainly a great song,
even with all those corny Mellotrons that predict the much later murky
Wind And Wuthering synth stylizations: the melody manages to be
memorable while not being very simple (as usual), and the lyrics, pretentious
as they might be, are at least funny (I don't know, I for one find a lot
of fun in the lines 'maybe the lizard shedded it's tail/This is the end
of man's long union with Earth'). It also manages to go from stately and
calm to raging and rocking with the transition effectuated smoother than
most prog rock bands could ever manage such subtle changes - courtesy of
Mr Hackett, whose guitar technique is even more impressive than before.
Same goes for the more obscure 'Time Table', with Gabriel at his most 'universally-important'
tone - the gorgeous chorus of the song is, well, gorgeous, and Tony's tinkling
electric piano solo is utterly cute; why didn't the man stick to non-electronic
devices more often in his life is way beyond me. But my absolute favourite
on the album is the sadly ignored ingenious sci-fi tale of 'Get 'Em Out
By Friday' in which the corporation of Genetic Control buys up all the
housing on the planet and then reduces humanity to half its size so that
they could make more money by putting twice as many inhabitants in each
house. What a bummer, eh? Why hasn't Ray Davies come up with a rock opera
like this? (Which, by the way, is no idle question: there's much more in
common between Ray Davies and Peter Gabriel than you might imagine). 'Get
'Em Out By Friday' is a worthy inheritor to 'Hogweed', with an even more
complicated, but an even more funny and entertaining structure and Gabriel
taking pure delight in impersonating both the 'innocent lambs' and the
'big bad wolves' of the story. While the song is nowhere near as 'all-encompassing'
as 'Supper's Ready', it manages to enthrall me even more successfully:
after all, it's like an entire play stuffed in eight and a half minutes,
not to mention the tons of cool melodies the band throws on here without
any serious effort. Finally, Rutherford's two-minute classic guitar showcase
on 'Horizons' is at least a brief relief after all those nauseating Banksynths.
So you see, there's enough to make this record stand out even without the
silly supper that's finally ready.
Whatever I might say, though, there may be no doubt that this is Peter
Gabriel's peak as a lyricist. His exaggerated 'Britishness' shines through
on all the corners, but it seems to be not the kind of 'conservative Britishness'
that characterizes the Kinks, or the kind of 'medieval-minstrelian Britishness'
that characterizes Jethro Tull. I'd call it 'fairy tale Britishness': in
his imagery Gabriel relies on Germanic and Celtic mythology and old folk
tales and pagan practices rather than on 'social Britain'. So, at least
in this respect, we might say that Genesis certainly delved itself a unique
niche in British prog rock. Let it stay there for all its worth. And move
on to their glorious culmination!
Get 'em out by Friday! I mean, get 'em out in my mailbox - you know what I mean
Your worthy comments:
Ben Greenstein <bgreenstein@nctimes.net> (26.07.99)
Not their best, but I really like a lot of the tunes. Especially "Can-Utility and the Coastliners," which you obviously don't care for. And I agree about "Supper's Ready" being too long - I'm working on making an edited version as we speak (er, type), and, coincidentally, I would omit all of the parts that you don't care for. And, one last note - "Watcher of the Skies" is a TERRIBLE song. The worst they've ever done, and that's including the last couple of Phil Collins-era albums. Am I the only one who realizes how ugly the chorus is? Awful, awful, awful. One of those songs which I just don't understand. I'm not familiar with your rating scale, but on my own reveiws of it, I gave it an 8/10.
Mike DeFabio <defab4@earthlink.net> (24.08.99)
You people will think I'm really dumb but this is my favorite album ever. Better songs have been written, sure, but on this album everything comes together and clicks and makes something absolutely wonderful. Run down to the record store and get it now! And if you can't afford it, steal somebody's wallet!
Ilya Morozov <morozovi@limm.mgimo.ru> (20.12.99)
'Supper`s Ready' is one of the greatest pieces of music in XXth century!
Ted Goodwin <Ftg3plus4@cs.com> (24.01.2000)
Just wanted to note that 'Horizons' is by Hackett (who has featured it on at least 2 of his solo albums), not Rutherford -- not like you'd know it from that ridiculous standard "all songs by Genesis" credit from the Gabriel days. (That sort of credit is usually meant to be "democratic" but usually leaves people thinking the lead singer wrote everything.) If any song shows that they should have given individual credits, it's 'Horizons'.
John McFerrin <stoo@imsa.edu> (24.01.2000)
A really, really good album. Now, at first, it was the side-A tracks
that sucked me in, just like with you (although, like you, 'Can-Utility'
doesn't do jack for me). But at the time I would've only given it an 8,
mainly because I just couldn't 'get' 'Supper's Ready'.
After five or six listens, however, that changed drastically. There are
certainly chunks where it meanders a bit too much (ie 'How Dare I be so
Beautiful'), but on the other hand, I can somewhat forgive that. See, the
supper referred to is the "Marriage Supper of the Lamb," which
is discussed a bit in Revelations. Now, since the track is ultimately about
the apocalypse and events before and after, it almost seems to work better
that the song is somewhat unconnected before Apocalypse in 9/8 (which I
just LOVE, btw), since it is stated that no man knows when the Apocalypse
is going to happen, so life would be relatively normal right up to the
time when it happens (ie it would be more or less haphazard). And in that
way, the track works perfectly
A solid, solid 9, and the band's second best effort after England.
Bob <Trfesok@aol.com> (08.02.2000)
Big disagreement here! Genesis comes up with its best epic piece with
"Supper's Ready" -- the lyrics are bizarre but still intriguing
and the music is captivating. "Watcher" perfectly catches a sci-fi/outer
space mood with its use of the mellotron.
The other tunes suffer from Pete getting a bit too eccentric in an old
British man sort of way, which is weird for someone who was only 21 at
the time.
By the way, you complain a lot about Tony's "synths", but at
this point he was still sticking to organ and mellotron.
Rich Bunnell <taosterman@yahoo.com> (12.02.2000)
I have to agree with Mike's perfect score, even
though it isn't my favorite album ever. This is the kind of stuff I -like-
in my Genesis-- it's not too bombastic, it's prog without the big, ominous
overbearing dynamics which mar some other great Genesis material. "Supper's
Ready" is a masterpiece, one better viewed as a lot of different songs
mashed into one rather than one big, long 23-minute song. If the CD divided
the sections of it into separate tracks, no one would complain. I'll stop
here. I love this album. It's the perfect Genesis experience for me.
Also, the thing that's confused me the most throughout my review-page-browsing
is Ben's utter contempt for "Watcher Of The Skies." I just can't
help wondering what's in the song that makes it horrible at all...it's
amazing!
Jeff Blehar <jdb3@jhu.edu> (21.02.2000)
I'm going to have to side with most of people here in disagreeing with you, George. I think that Foxtrot is an absolute peak performance for the early Genesis, which is easily the equal if not the better of Selling England By The Pound (it's close, but I'd ultimately favor Foxtrot because "The Battle Of Epping Forest" is just lamentably bad). Almost everything is top-notch here; "Watcher Of The Skies" is a great opening shot, with those portentous organ chords and that bizarrely clipped 7/4 meter. I like the "short" songs like "Time Table" and "Can-Utility" quite a lot as well, especially the melody line of the latter. The only song on here I actively dislike is "Get 'Em Out By Friday," which is just a bit TOO British for my tastes...I think the opening is also really ungainly and ugly, too. "Horizons" is a beautiful acoustic showcase, but really now, the reason why we all love this album is that thing on Side 2: "Supper's Ready." I can't think of very many songs that I'm happy to sit and listen to for 24 minutes, but this is one of them. There are just SO many intriguing things going on in here, brilliant little bits that you just sit up and smile for: that mystical and momentous opening passage (goosebumps for me always), the loping melody of "Guaranteed Eternal Sanctuary Man," the orgasmic release of the guitar soloing on "Ihknaton & Itsacon," the inspired goofiness of "Willow Farm," and then of course the apocalypse, capped by the brilliant recapitulation complete with church bells and a truly thunderous fade out where the whole band sounds like it's waving goodbye. Sure, there are some slow moments like "How Dare I Be So Beautiful?," and I could have done without a couple of minutes of the 9/8 playing easily, but taken all in all, the final effect floors me. Now I quite like Thick As A Brick, but I think "Supper's Ready" compares favorably to it. Perhaps Genesis couldn't play as well as Tull, but each composition is going for different moods, and Genesis does a better job with theirs. Gabriel's lyrics (for all of their cheerful insanity) certainly hold together far better than Ian Anderson's burblings about modern culture; I defy you to point out any moment in Thick As A Brick that rivals "Lover's Leap" or the finale for sheer ability to transport you some mystical, visceral place (sure: 'Do You Believe In The Day' is just as, if not more, mystically poignant; but ultimately you're right, Thick As A Brick is about quite different things; still, it has far less boring moments during its 45 minutes - G. S.). Those references to strange transfigurations, "guardian eyes of blue," and souls igniting really take me somewhere. This deserves no less than a 9. Not a 10 because of "Friday," but a strong 9 nonetheless.
Adrian <HanzDaBird@aol.com> (17.06.2000)
The only reason for this album is 'Supper's Ready'. 'Watcher of the Skies' is nice but nothing special, and certainly no better (if not a worse album opener) than 'Musical Box'. 'Get 'Em Out By Friday'? Can you say, ? The 'Re turn of the Giant Hogweed part 2' ? And the rest of the songs? Filler, filler, and more filler. Ahh, but mention 'Super's Ready', and a smile forms upon my face. Bare in mind, this smile was very hard earned. Sitting through 20+ minutes of abstract lyrics and shifting and swirling music is quite a lot to ask, and Genesis definitely wasn't the first progressive band to ask this of their fans. This piece could have been trimmed down here and there (like the whole Narcissus and social security part before 'Willow Farm') and the intro is certainly a little too long. But once I really started exploring the song, the more I liked it. Unlike many prog-epics, this one is able to keep me interested most of the time. The lyrics, while hard to make sense, are some of Gabriel's best. And the religious overtones really add to the grand feel of the track. The music has incredible dynamics, and the three-part acoustic guitar intro is beautiful. I do wish there was a little bit more Hackett-guitar in the song though. Anthony Phillips had more leads and riffs on the first two Genesis albums than Steve ever got on his six (not including the live albums). Of course, he's said himself that he was more interested in 'atmospheres'. Then again, it sure is hard to enjoy atmospheres when you can't hear them!
Philip Maddox <slurmsmckenzie@hotmail.com> (09.09.2000)
This was my second Genesis album, and though I originally liked it more than Selling England, that one grew on me immeasurably and this one never did. It still rules, of course. It takes most people a long time to get into 'Supper's Ready', but for some reason, it clicked with me immediately. I must have listened to that song 5 times in a row. I don't think any of it's weak - I wouldn't change a second of it. Highlights are the 'Ikhnaton' part, the conclusion, and my favorite, 'Willow Farm'. Ooh, now that's a groovy song. The hook in the verses reeled me in instantly. Plus, it's fun! It segues right into that beautiful acoustic guitar and flute bit, too. I love that! 'Supper's Ready' is, without doubt, my favorite song on here. The rest isn't bad at all, though. 'Watcher Of The Skies' is very majestic, as is 'Time Table'. Both of 'em are great. I even love 'Can-Utility And The Coastliners', especially that vocal section near the end. Or maybe the part when Peter sings "All who love... OUR MAJESTY!". It doesn't strike me as filler at all - actually, it may be my favorite side A track. By a strange coincidence, 'Get 'Em Out' is probably my least favorite track here - it's good, but not quite great. It's probably just because it doesn't strike me as very pretty, while everything else is extremely pretty. I can't decide if I'd give this a really high 9 or a 10. I'll have to wait until I get more Genesis albums.
Nick Karn <glassmoondt@yahoo.com> (27.09.2000)
Yeah, this is indeed an awesome album, and probably one of their absolute
best. I have to confess, though, that my listening experiences for this
album revolve around the countdown until "Supper's Ready" and
its' preceding acoustic instrumental "Horizons" (it might as
well be an intro to the song as far as I'm concerned), which is one of
the candidates in my mind for prog rock's finest ever creation. The last
half of it is simply some of the most absolutely breathtaking music I've
ever heard, with Gabriel's spectacular theatrical display in "Willow
Farm", the threatening 9/8 jam (really setting a spectacular mood),
and the shatteringly majestic final section reprising the "Guaranteed
Eternal Sanctuary Man" bit (I LOVE that main melody in both forms!!).
Simply blows me away.
But since that song is less than half of this 51 minute album, the rest
of the album would have to be fairly excellent for it to earn an overall
high rating, and it is for the most part. "Watcher Of The Skies"
has a good dramatic intro and mood, though it doesn't REALLY thrill me
- just a very well played 7 minute epic. "Get Em Out By Friday",
though, really is a great sequel to "Return Of The Giant Hogweed",
with an even more curious, truly original, and downright twisted plot and
all those different character sketches. Great overlooked drumming in that
piece too. And I think "Can Utility And The Coastliners" is actually
quite beautiful near the beginning of it - it's just the middle acoustic
meandering part that's not too exciting, but the end of the song is rather
good. "Time Table" to me is the least thrilling full length song
on here, though it is a rather pretty ballad piece, and a step up from
the unassuming filler on Nursery Cryme. I agree with the 12 rating
overall - a normal nine.
Year Of Release: 1973
Record rating = 9
Overall rating = 12
Mostly by-the-book renditions of standards. But what standards!
Best song: THE RETURN OF THE GIANT HOGWEED
A cash-in, but it's really really strange that this is a single album.
A single live album? When Yes were releasing a triple live set? Come on,
Peter, what were you thinking about? Especially since the band's
fans admit there were plans for a double live album, with 'Supper's
Ready' and some other good shit (or bad shit). Anyway, there's no point
of wailing for that now. I'd expect they beef up the new re-mastered version,
but nope. No such thing - just the standard five tracks and not even a
single stage story from Pete which he was so famous for. (Genesis fans
don't need to bother, though: once you've picked up the boxset Archives,
you'll discover everything you need and more). Pity. But let's talk about
them, still.
This is a treat for the serious Genesis lover: no shorter filler stuff
here, just the lengthy wankathons. Two of them from the recent Foxtrot
('Watcher Of The Skies', 'Get 'Em Out By Friday'), two from Cryme
('Musical Box', 'The Return Of The Giant Hogweed'), and one from the far-away
Collins/Hacketless epoch ('The Knife'). All of these are amazingly great
songs, no doubt, and treated with honour with fine performances, too. That's
why I give this album a 9, even if it isn't quite fair: after all, it suspiciously
resembles a 'greatest hits live' compilation, and I shouldn't rate compilations.
On the other hand, it ain't a compilation. So scram it.
Despite the performances' solidity, they practically add nothing to the
originals. The only more or less significant rearranging is provided for
'The Knife', probably due to the new band members' participation: in particular,
Hackett's wild solos on the song completely wipe out the weak former playing
of Anthony Philips, and so far seem to be one of his most noticeable and
virtuoso performances on a Genesis number. Banks also adds a couple dull
keyboard solos in some places, but, apart from that, Gabriel and the boys
mostly stick to the old versions note by note. I must say that I am impressed
anyway: out of all the prog bands, Genesis' studio sound was probably the
most polished, with not a note out of place - even the lengthy instrumental
sections never relied much on messy improvisations, being carefully planned,
programmed and pre-rehearsed beforehand. It should have taken them a
lot of practice to carry that sound from the studio onto their live
show without losing any of the components, and the utmost in musicianship.
They do pull it off: my worst complaint about the sound lies in the quality
of the recording equipment, especially in the mix sphere - Gabriel's voice
is often overshadowed (although that might have been Peter's own problem:
with all those costumes, it was probably hard to keep the mike at short
distance all the time). But the instruments are mixed in with enough care,
and every song preserves its essence: the atmospheric Mellotron swirls
on 'Watcher', the medieval solemnity of 'Musical Box', the.amusing theatricality
of 'Get 'Em Out', the ominous feeling of catastrophe on 'Hogweed', and
the apocalyptic madness of 'Knife', everything is here.
Gabriel, however, still manages to outshine all the others - his is the
'live note' on the album, as he is able to shift his vocals from one style
to another, changing the expression at whichever point he wishes, while
the others are completely tied down by the complexity of the music. Thus,
'Get 'Em Out By Friday' sounds even more theatrical here than it does on
the origial, with Pete overdoing the stage pronunciation bit and obviously
getting a lot of fun from himself. And although he misses making the expected
"wild scream" on the 'turn and run!' section of 'Hogweed', he
fully redeems himself on the later sections, at times aided by Collins
from behind his drumset (not to mention the amusing 'scrapings' that Hackett
inserts from time to time to illustrate the 'botanical creature stirs'
passage).
However, in the general sense all of these minor distinctions do not make
up for the album's expendable character. It is really difficult to realize
why a non-diehard should take his time and money to go out and buy the
record. Still, if you do treat it as a compilation, and if your
stomach is strong enough to endure five non-stop (but brilliant)
wankfests in a row, you might get a blast of it. I know I do, and,
after all, it's interesting to see how these guys managed to cope with
their, let's admit it, rather complex material onstage. They did manage.
Unfortunately, what the record refuses to present us with totally are the
excitement and theatricality of Genesis' stage show (I mean, the songs
are theatrical enough, but I mean the whole package). Apart from
the front cover featuring Gabriel in one of his endless mascherades and
one of his stories written in text form in the liner notes, there's nothing
on here to suggest that this was a band with one of the most famous stage
performances of the era. And the booklet itself is a real joke, with just
a couple of muddy photos and only the most essential liner notes. Really.
The re-mastering guys could have made a better job. Aww, never mind, the
music on here still rules. Hell, I'd even say I like 'Musical Box' better
when it's here than when it's on the studio record. Why? No reason. Just
had to think of something encouraging about this album. And I still give
it a nine if only out of sheer respect for such an excellent song selection.
Watcher of the skies will be pleased if you mail your ideas
Your worthy comments:
Daniel_E_Miller@notes.seagate.com (23.08.99)
Actually, Live was meant to be a single album. The recordings
were originally produced for the "King Biscuit Flower Hour,"
and Charisma Records decided to transform them into a live album, though
Genesis felt a live album at that point in their career was too early.
Now, if they had waited until the Selling ... tour, they most definitely
could have released a double album to account for some additional stage
standards such as "Firth of Fifth" and "Cinema Show."
However, the argument that Genesis should have produced a double-live album
since Yes (and ELP) produced a triple-live album is specious at best. First
of all, Yes' Yessongs is a triple album because the recording had
to: (1) account for the lengths of Yes' songs; (2) account for the depth
of their catalog; and (3) accommodate each member's desire for solo space.
ELP did the same with their Welcome Back My Friends ... (and with
only three members). Yes and ELP are renowned (and scorned) for their individuals'
extensive soloing. Keith Emerson is perhaps the most guilty, but each of
these musicians carried solo fever into studio albums and often filled
their tapes with solos at the expense of cohesive group compositions. Fragile
might be considered one of Yes' finest, but only because it features three
outstanding collaborations, while ELP's Works, Vol. I is one of
the most slandered albums in history because of its perpetual solos.
Genesis, in spite of several instrumental interludes, was never a soloist's
venture. Sure, the keyboard is the band's signature, and the lack of a
stand-out guitar throughout most of the band's compositions might have
played a minimal role in Steve Hackett's departure, but Steve's decision
to leave Genesis was largely of his own accord as he felt the band was
incorporating little of his writing. Steve was concerned more about composing
than playing, and his first solo album, Voyage of the Acolyte (written
and recorded while he was still in Genesis) attests to that fact. By and
large it is an album that showcases Steve's writing skills, and while his
guitar is prevalent throughout, Voyage ... is an album of compositions,
not guitar solos. Steve's entire catalog, with the exception of "Bay
of Kings" and "Momentum" (acoustic guitar compositions)
is composed of his band's collaborative efforts.
Your frequent jabs against Tony Banks are unwarranted. Perhaps he is not
quite as skilled as Keith Emerson and Rick Wakeman, but he is better than
the rest of his contemporaries (Tony Kaye, Rick Davies, Thjis van der Leer,
Richard Wright, Manfred Mann). Second to Keith Emerson's piano introduction
in "Trilogy", Tony's piano in "Firth of Fifth" is quite
possibly the most delicious ivory ever committed to a rock 'n' roll record.
The term "Banksynths," is worth a chuckle, but realize that the
synthesizer really did not make its way into the Genesis repertoire until
Selling England ... and only sparingly at best. Genesis produced
four studio albums before then where Tony played hammond organ, mellotron
and piano. >From Selling England ... through Wind and Wuthering,
Tony achieved dramatic effects through his use of synthesizers as had Emerson
and Wakeman on their own recordings. Only when the next-generation synthesizer
- that computerized, pre-programmed automaton that appeared in the early
eighties through such emotionally flatulent acts like Soft Cell - did the
synthesizer become a curse on popular music. Banksynths? Think Invisible
Touch, and maybe even Genesis, since they are both products
of their particular generation, but as Phil Collins once said, "that
all."
Jeff Blehar <jdb3@jhu.edu> (21.02.2000)
I was really surprised by the quality of this. I bought it basically
as a collection completer, and I was blown away by the quality of the playing
here. Literally, this is one of those live albums where every track is
better than its studio counterpart. Now George is right in saying that
the arrangements remain completely faithful to the album versions, but
these songs have a real KICK that's missing on the studio LPs. For me it's
hard to get excited at the thought of listening to a live rendition of
"The Return Of The Giant Hogweed," but somehow they really manage
to bring it to life here. Even better, the live performance of "The
Knife" here is positively FEROCIOUS, a real noticeable improvement
over the already-awesome Trespass take. Since the song is fueled
by Gabriel's insane ranting energy, it stand to reason that it would only
gain in live performance and...wow...But it's not just his singing. Rutherford
and Hackett are at their best here, especially near the end, when the song
has finally returned to its major key for the ascending keyboard figure
- the guitars make this great coruscating rattling sound, which just makes
the performance for me. The only shame is that they didn't include more
of Gabriel's banter with the audience - the one bit that they did use ("[sound
of bass tuning up]...That was an unacccompanied bass pedal solo by Michael
Rutherford.") is genuinely funny. And "Get 'Em Out By Friday"
still sucks AND blows at the same time, even though that's physically impossible.
The only other problem is that this album lacks a "listening niche,"
as I would call it. It doesn't really fit into my listening habits since
I like to listen to albums by a band in sequence - thus this live album,
with its performances that only deviate slightly from their original versions,
is just repetitive. Still, it makes a GREAT introduction to early Genesis.
If you don't know where to start, start here. 7/10.
Adrian <HanzDaBird@aol.com> (17.06.2000)
There is no reason to get this album. Live albums can be wonderful affairs. They can contain different versions of album tracks, or extended jams and extra solos. Sometimes the band performs a cover tune, or a rare b-side or early track. Many times the crowd sings along, and the performer is heard interacting with the crowd. Sometimes there's an energy in live performance that even rivals the studio tracks. This album offers NONE of those qualities. The songs are performed note-by-note perfect, sounding almost disturbingly studio-like. The energy level is nothing special, and we get ripped-off when it comes to audience interaction!!! Where are Peter Gabriel's legendary stories and banter? I think there's just one story on this album, a little bass joke and that's it. Rip-off!!! Even the revamped version of 'The Knife' does little to stir my blood. Don't waste your time. I you must have live Genesis, get the box-set, Archive 1967-1975. At least they didn't edit out all the stories and dialogue on that one.
Philip Maddox <slurmsmckenzie@hotmail.com> (14.12.2000)
Early Genesis was certainly a fantastic prog rock band - their melodies
were pretty hard to top, and Peter Gabriel was a fantastic showman, even
when he was restrained to the studio. When you take the best of these early
songs, add in some live energy from Peter and a few cool lines thrown in
by Hackett, and have good sound quality to boot, well, you're in for a
fantastic experience, and certainly a 9-worthy one. "The Musical Box"
was one of my favorite songs, even when it was on Nursery Cryme,
and it's actually improved somewhat here. I'm not even sure why - it just
sounds more vital. Plus, Peter's voice is fantastic and Steve really blazes
on those last couple of minutes. I'd never heard "The Knife"
before I bought this, but that's a great song, too - what a fantastically
brilliant chorus! Pete's flute solo here is breathtaking, too - I wish
he played the flute more on his albums. He really knows how to use that
thing to add something to the music. Great, great tune. The other 3, while
not particularly different from the studio versions, are a bit more energetic
and the original songs were superb anyway, so no complaints.
The only real problems with this album is that the album almost feels like
a rip off these days - 5 songs, no stage banter, a booklet featuring naught
but one story (even though its a cool one) and some teeny tiny pictures,
and plenty of room left on the disc for some neato bonuses like on the
new Live At Leeds (where the bonus tracks were every bit as good
as the original). If they had corrected these few mistakes on the reissue,
I would've seriously considered giving this a personal ten, but as it is,
no can do, just because this could have been so much better. Still, a fantastic
album and well worth my $11.88.
Year Of Release: 1973
Record rating = 10
Overall rating = 13
One of the most diverse, funny, pathetic, bombastic, mystic, and
beautiful prog-rock albums ever.
Best song: DANCING WITH THE MOONLIT KNIGHT
Yup, either this or Genesis' only reason for existence. Truly, if this
one were not my first Genesis album, I doubt that I would ever think of
getting deeper into the band. Nursery Cryme and Foxtrot might
have been okay, but you have to work really hard in order to appreciate
even some of the material, and a lot of it I still treat as absolute filler.
Not so with this truly timeless effort. For once, the band seem to have
resolved all of their problems. For once, the instrumental passages
are suddenly not so boring or even not boring at all - and, quite often,
they are downright beautiful. For once, Steve Hackett gets quite
a lot of chances to make good use of his instrument (even though he's still
exploiting that silly pedal of all things). For once, Tony Banks neglects
his synths to play some fresh, exciting piano. For once, Gabriel puts a
little bit of everything into his lyrics - from plain, good old-fashioned
humour to ultra-bombastic, but still clever lyrics. And, for the first
time, Phil Collins gets to shine with a self-penned song, and it doesn't
suck! Now that's what I call an album.
Okay now, if we prefer to refer to exact track names, then this is what
I'd say. The album opener, 'Dancing With The Moonlit Knight', is my current
bet for best Genesis song ever. To my mind, the hidden potential
of Gabriel's voice didn't come to light until the opening, almost accappella
lines, in which majesty alternates with irony and sarcasm with lamentation.
The instrumental break is superb, with the synths propelling everything
to a fast, butt-kicking groove and Hackett's guitar catching up with the
keyboards with gusto. And the closing section, with Mike Rutherford endlessly
repeating the same acoustic four notes over and over with synth noises
in the background, is simply beautiful, though it might be about thirty
or fourty seconds overlong. Then comes another favourite - their 'hit single'
(which I put in quotes because it wasn't really a hit single, but it was
the only thing close to a hit single in Gabriel's epoch) 'I Know What I
Like (In Your Wardrobe)'. It demonstrates one thing: that Gabriel has finally
become able to come up with short, but still thoroughly enjoyable
pop tunes. But the lyrics? 'But I remember a voice from the past/Gambling
only plays when you're winning/Had to thank old Miss Mort for schooling
a failure'. Groovy. I love this song, too. It has it all: complex, but
catchy verses, a bombastic refrain, and, above all, Phil's ingenious drumming
(just listen to those rolls all over the place). Classic!
Next? 'Firth Of Fifth', yet another fan favourite. I expected to
hate it because it was so pompous and self-indulgent, with lyrics ranking
among the band's most pretentious (I wasn't even a bit surprised when I
learned their author was Tony Banks and not Peter), but I can't
deny the melody. And the instrumental part strikes me as being one of the
most intelligently written pieces of music I've ever heard among prog rock
tunes. The way that the tearful flute part, the sorrowful piano part, the
upbeat synth part and the lamenting guitar part all mesh with each other
and participate in creating a complete 'wall of tension'... wow, and then
this 'wall of tension' suddenly comes crashing down with a 'consolation'
synth part. Wow, now that's really clever. I can imagine that hearing
this live might result in a catharsys. Classic, too. And then, after all
this bombast, we suddenly go on into a three minute acoustic folkish ditty
that introduces us to the songwriting and singing talents of Mr Phil Collins.
Clever guy: actually, he can write a good song and knows how to
sing it, too! Some might find 'More Fool Me' a bit too saccharin-ee for
their tastes, but me, I'm just alright. I do agree that he was banally
ripping off the Beatles, though, because sometimes it sounds like something
John Lennon might have taped around as a demo, then thrown into the wastebin.
That's a compliment to Phil Collins, in case you haven't understood.
Another epic - 'The Battle Of Epping Forest' - well, it might not be a
fan favourite, but I've slowly grown addicted to it. For me, this is one
fine damn jolly amusing song, with Gabriel just having lots of fun
in the studio as well as, once again, demonstrating the unlimited capacity
of his voice. Overlong? Hell, anything that's eleven minutes long
is overlong. But it rarely becomes boring, that's for sure. There's a lot
of catchy hooks all over the place, melodical as well as lyrical, and the
part about the 'reverend' falling into the jaws of sin is downright hilarious,
even if it really has nothing to do with the 'battle of Epping Forest'
by itself. Unfortunately, this is where the album slowly starts to give
in, because the final two songs (the instrumental 'After The Ordeal' and
another lengthy suite, 'The Cinema Show') just don't thrill me that
much. Not that they're bad: were they placed on, say, Nursery Cryme,
they could have become the highlights there. On here, they just sound a
little weak: 'After The Ordeal' is, let's face it, hardly necessary with
the far superior instrumental arrangements on 'Firth Of Fifth', while 'The
Cinema Show' borrows its melody from the first parts of 'Supper's Ready'
and, even with that, displays very little energy. Because Selling England
is, in its essence, an energetic album - the one that keeps your
blood flowing most of the time. 'Dancing With The Moonlit Knight' shakes
you, 'I Know What I Like' kicks you, 'Firth Of Fifth' simply moves you
and 'Epping Forest' plainly confuses you. 'The Cinema Show' is more like
'Musical Box': it might thrill you, but it sure don't inspire you or rouse
you. Not that everything needs to rouse you, of course, but still...
but still, shucks! there's five great songs in a row, resulting
in thirty-five minutes worth of great music, plus two good songs. Not to
mention that the last minute and a half of 'Cinema Show' is really an independent
ditty called 'Aisle Of Plenty' which is actually a reprise of the best
part on 'Dancing With The Moonlit Knight'. Good lads! If you dig intelligent
British prog rock at all, you can't live without this record. It's
great to the point of being my favourite prog rock album of the year. Which
year? Why, this year, of course! What other year I'd be living in?
I know what I like: I like it when you mail your ideas
Your worthy comments:
Mike DeFabio <defab4@earthlink.net> (24.08.99)
Yeah, it's great. It's like Foxtrot. It's not as good as Foxtrot, but it sounds like Foxtrot. If you liked Foxtrot, you'll like this one.
Cole <bozmn@intercom.net> (16.11.99)
I don't like this album as much as most people do. I like the first side, but the second side doesn't do much for me. I have to bring up one point--Genesis finally found a producer that didn't make them sound like they were recording in Peter Gabriel's garage. Nursery Cryme certainly has a bootleg-quality sound to it--heck, I'd say my vinyl copy of Selling England... sounds better than my remastered CD of Cryme! Whoever produced Foxtrot got them in the right direction, but this is where they finally got a clear-sounding mix. Why they didn't just get Eddie Offord (their contemporaries sounded great with him) I don't know. 6/10.
<DistJudge@aol.com> (17.11.99)
George, I found your site quite back by accident but have logged on
constantly over the last few weeks. I credit you with my buying Selling
England by the Pound. It took about two plays for me to get used to
it, and now I really like it, and it deserves your high rating. I noticed
that the prog rock/folk rock/art rock group Kansas seems to have taken
quite a bit of music off of "Fifth of Firth". The instrumental
break on that track sounds incredibly like the music on the instrumental
break on "Song for America" by Kansas, especially the synth solo
and Collins' drum rolls, even the introductory acoustic piano. I have noticed
bits and pieces from Selling England on other prog rock albums.
I think Phil's song is weak, even by his standards, but other than that,
I think this is a great album, well worth the $11.88 I paid for it.
John McFerrin <stoo@imsa.edu> (05.12.99)
I bought this yesterday, and at first I wasn't really that enthralled
with it. Still, after I headed out to see a movie with some friends and
I was thinking about the album, I couldn't help but think that there was
something about the album, a greatness that I couldn't quite put my finger
on, but that I knew was there. Well, I've given it a few more listens,
and I have to pretty much agree with you on everything. I guess I was just
put off by the pure _Britishness_ of the whole thing, but I got past that
by the third listen or so. This is a terrific album. 'Dancing with the
Moonlit Knight' is simply wonderful, with those terrific Gabriel vocals
and a fantastic drive throughout. I think that my favorite on the album,
though, is 'Firth of Fifth'. That slow noodling guitar part with that eerie
background is absolutely amazing in its power and simplicity. In any case,
the rest is quite good as well
This is my first Genesis album, but I see no reason that it wouldn't earn
an objective ten from me. Good stuff
Adrian <HanzDaBird@aol.com> (01.02.2000)
Wow oh wow oh wow!!!! I was not perpaired for this album when I purchased it (thanks to your review). When hearing Gabriel's frantic cries of "Knights of the Green Shield stamp and shout," I was grinning from ear to ear. And the other tracks didn't disappoint either, except for the last few which just weren't distinct enough to make a big impression. I have to say that "Dancing With The Moonlit Knight" is one of my favorite songs. This album is prog rock's finest moment, along with Court of the Crimson King (except for 'Moonchild' which can send anyone into a coma!). How does a man go from "Firth of Fifth" to "Sledgehammer"? (Or "More Fool Me" to "Sussudio"? He he he!)
Rich Bunnell <taosterman@yahoo.com> (12.02.2000)
I don't hate this one at all, yet I don't consider it the band's masterpiece at all. It's certainly majestic, but sometimes the majesticness of everything makes it all sound exactly the same; a problem which Foxtrot didn't have. Despite all of this, the tracks which you like ("Moonlit Knight," "I Know What I Like," "Firth Of Fifth," "Epping Forest") are really well-written. Hell, it's all great, the songs are all great songs on a great album, but the overbearing nature of the songwriting and some of the instrumental passages can get a bit tiring. I'm content giving this one a nice, healthy eight.
Jeff Blehar <jdb3@jhu.edu> (21.02.2000)
The first time I heard Selling England I was completely underwhelmed, and I'm afraid most first-time listeners will be too. That's a shame, because it really is, like everyone here agrees, a great album, one of early Genesis' best. It actually strikes me as being easy to overlook, since other than that nifty little pop tune ("I Know What I Like," and it's that song!) nothing really throttles you like "The Musical Box," "The Knife," or "Supper's Ready." As wonderful as "Dancing With The Moonlit Knight" is, it is also fairly subdued. In fact, the only moment of true bombast is also the weakest moment on the album, and by far Genesis' worst-ever long-form song. I'm talking about "The Battle Of Epping Forest." No, George, it's just no good at all. It starts with an alright chorus, but it degenerates into unfunny humor and blandly uninteresting music. I don't mind songs that run for 11 minutes if they have something, be it musical or lyrical, to justify their length, but this goes nowhere for what seems like an eternity, and the recording sound very dry and underproduced to boot. The rest of the album has a really subtle charm, however. It's not immediately apparent, but it gets under your skin like nothing else in their canon. It's atmosphere again, a more mature type of the same thing which made me love Trespass. "Firth Of Fifth" is just grand, spiralling piano and all (took me forever to figure that out on the piano!), and "Cinema Show" is a really beautiful mood piece that is my dark horse fav. on the disc. "After The Ordeal" is the aptly named reward we get for having to sit impatiently through Gabriel's interminable ranting on "Epping Forest": a soothing instrumental. But the best song on here (and this doesn't fit into my sentence one bit, but I forgot that Phil's "More Fool Me" has more personality and charm than his entire solo career) has got to be the opening "Dancing With The Moonlit Knight," which again pulls that impressive trick Gabriel first did on the first part of "Supper's Ready" of transporting you bodily into a different time, one of swords and sorcery, dragons and Merrie Olde England. So it's a very good, if initially unprepossessing album. But it's tarnshed by the embarrassment of "Epping," and I could also point out that, at 52 minutes, it runs a bit too long. Still, it's a 9/10.
Ted Goodwin <Ftg3plus4@cs.com> (12.04.2000)
This is where it all really came together for Genesis -- the substandard
production of the past was gone (as was pointed out earlier), and Gabriel
wasn't dominating things like he did on LAMB. The credits say "all
titles done by all" which is not only a through-the-teeth lie (of
course, the old "all songs written by [name of band]" credit
is a through-the-teeth lie on every rock record it appears on, except for
some Genesis albums after 1982 and possibly TALES FROM TOPOGRAPHIC OCEANS)
but is especially ironic here because for once, given a little background
information, one can see that Genesis consisted of five individual WRITERS.
No song is written by only one member, but every member's writing presence
is clear somewhere if you know what to look for, and that's not quite true
of any other Gabriel-era album. (Side note: that wholesale "all songs
by Genesis" had the effect of denying credit to Anthony Phillips for
his contributions to at least 2 songs recorded after he left: "Musical
Box" and the awesome SELLING-era B-side "Twilight Alehouse".
I really wish "Twilight" could have made it onto SELLING,
if only as a CD-reissue bonus track.)
Personal opinions: Phil's song is the weakest, and straddles the line between
adding variety and just plain not fitting in. "Firth Of Fifth"
sounds oddly like it could have been sung by Phil in the first place (and
I haven't even really checked out his later live singing of it). Unlike
others, I like "Ordeal" & (especially) "Cinema"
just as much as anything else on the album. I've gotten used to "Epping"
& admire Peter's variety of voices; the song is a rare case where the
music goes along with Peter's cynical humor instead of being clashed with
by it.
Ben Greenstein <bgreenstein@nctimes.net> (16.04.2000)
Almost TOO good. Fantastic melodies, great production, some of the cleverest
keyboard lines this side of "Just What I Needed," makes for a
really good album. I still can't be bowled over by "Battle of Epping
Forest," though I don't think that it's a bad song by any stretch
of the imagination. "Moonlit Knight" is really good, but the
best song on the album just HAS to be "The Cinema Show." I just
love it to pieces. The instrumental part isn't slow at all - in fact, I
wish they had gone on even longer! Moves me to tears, it does. Why can't
I write that? I don't get why everyone gets so down on Banks for being
not enough of a virtuoso, but then ALSO bashes Keith Emerson for being
"too showoffy." Whathefuckisthat?" As for this album, I
give it a lowish ten.
[Special author note: people
don't get down on Banks for not being a virtuoso. People get down on Banks
for not being a virtuoso while always making sure to place his instruments,
which he isn't too creative about, at the center of the band's sound, thus
obscuring poor Steve Hackett who was the only true instrumental genius
in the band. And personally, I just hate the Banksynth tone, especially
since Wind & Wuthering.]
John McFerrin <stoo@imsa.edu> (19.04.2000)
I know that he hasn't explicitly said that he thinks otherwise, but I think Ben should be made aware that the last chunk of 'Cinema Show' is not just Banks. Yes, he provides the foundation of what makes the whole thing so beautiful, but the melodic parts are actually courtesy of Hackett. I actually thought that was Banks myself at first, but then I realized that that was just Steve using his pedal. In any case, the last chunk of 'CS' _is_ as beautiful as it is made out to be, but please be sure to give credit where credit has always been due.
Clarke Melville <clarke.melville@sympatico.ca> (18.06.2000)
A friend's older brother introduced me to this album when i was in grade 7. I would listen to it on my walkman as I delivered my papers afterschool i knew ever single inch of the tape, it did wonders for my imagination and confidence. 18 years later I have the CD, a worn out vinyl and a new vinyl that i never play and keep as a back up. It still has the ability to take me away to battlefields and gardens.
Rich Bunnell <taosterman@yahoo.com> (08.07.2000)
Wait....what bug did I have up my butt that day? This album rules! I think that Foxtrot is a stronger album overall (since it's the quieter, pensive side of Genesis which really gets under my skin and holds on tight) but I now have no trouble at all giving this a ten. "The Cinema Show" is simply too gorgeous to be overlooked (great intro by Gabriel and energetic, pretty-sounding instrumental section for the entire last half of the song), and "The Battle Of Epping Forest," though it's impossible to tell what the hell's going on unless you read the lyrics in the liner notes, is jolly good fun in the most British sense of the word possible. And that spiraling piano/synth in "Firth Of Fifth" might be the most memorable moment in the entire Genesis canon! I still can't believe what a jerkoff I was, giving this only an eight-- ten ten ten.
Bob Josef <Trfesok@aol.com> (30.07.2000)
The operative word here is: mellow. Not as mellow as Trespass,
but certainly compared to the previous two studio records. There is a lot
of gorgeous music here, like "Firth of Fifth" and "Dancing."
And "I Know What I Like" is a funny tune. And this is the best
production they came up with to date.
But, still, I feel something is lacking in this album. It seems over to
course of the first four records, Genesis was building on the one that
came before. Here, they seem to have retrenched -- there aren't a lot of
new ideas here. What they were building to, of course, was The Lamb
-- but there is such a thing as overconstrunction... Anyway, even though
it's much better played and produced, and similar in many ways, I still
prefer Trespass. The beautiful spirituality in that album is really
missing from this one.
Philip Maddox <slurmsmckenzie@hotmail.com> (09.09.2000)
A couple of months ago, I was browsing through the record store, looking for a good record to blow my 12 bucks on. Unfortunately, all of the albums I was looking for were either (a) not there or (b) ridiculously expensive. I happened across a copy of this record for 10.99 (digitally remastered, of course) and remembered your praise for it. I'd never heard Genesis before (outside of a couple of late period pop hits), but I remebered how this album was supposed to be cool medieval sounding stuff, so I decided to pick it up on a whim. Man, am I ever glad I did. This album rules! Not a bad song to be found. Even though every song is good, special notice must be paid to 'Dancing With The Moonlit Knight' and 'Firth Of Fifth'. The former is, well, breathtakingly beautiful. And the latter is, well, even better in my opinion. The sung part at the beginning is very pretty, but the instrumental middle section is gorgeous. From Gabriel's flute to Banks' synths and piano and Hackett's guitar, it all works. I could listen to it all day. 'The Cinema Show' is very pretty as well. Not quite as good as the big 2, but it would blow away the best material on almost any other album by anybody. Phil's song is nice, 'Wardrobe' is groovy and fun, and 'Epping Forest' is really underrated if you ask me. Lots of fun and plenty of great melodies slammed together. I'd give this a good, solid 10. I almost like this as much as Thick As A Brick, and that says a lot. The only other Genesis album I have as of today is Foxtrot, but I plan on correcting that problem very soon.
Richard Craig <discodick2000@hotmail.com> (14.12.2000)
I was on your site, which I found after doing an Internet search for
Selling England By The Pound because it is the best album ever recorded
by anyone. Simple as that.
i have been aware of its existence since about 1985 and i have probably
listened to it about 500 times. I never get sick of it because it does
not seem like the work of any old rock band- it sounds like Genesis at
the peak of their creativity.
With the exception of 'Aisle Of Plenty' which i only heard six years ago
for the first time (because the original copy was a bootleg with the end
chopped off),every song is absolutely fantastic. The best bit of the album
is probably just after Gabriel has finished singing on 'Dancing With the
Moonlit Knight' whenever Rutherford's bass and Bank's keyboard/Hackett's
guitar (hard to know which one) play the same notes in a completely unconventional
little solo, and then the organ goes crazy, followed by a beautiful interlude
in which Rutherford plays chords on his bass (doesn't happen very often)
before the acoustic comes in.
The next song is great too. i used to listen to this in the car when I
was about five and it always reminds me of great summers sneaking other
people's beers while they werent looking!
The piano solo for 'Firth Of Fifth' still amazes me after 15 years, and
Steve's guitar solo is inspired- who says that solos have to be blindingly
quick?
I think you underestimate 'The Cinema Show'. It would take a lot of talent
to write a song like that. And the passage where there are just 12-strings
and Gabriel's flute is absolutely beautiful- I can't see some bunch of
arseholes like Coldplay producing wonderful hypnotic music like that. On
the subject of hypnotism, isn't the drum echo at the start of 'Stagnation'
on Trespass really good?
i envisage a video for that bit where the band are sitting on a hill and
for each drum beat the sky changes colour. Spaced, huh?
By the way i never touch drugs.
And yes, after about 1977 Genesis became completely shit and coincidentally
popular with the public at the ame time. Strange that. Funny also how after
Steve Hackett left they got a hit single. It says a lot for Steve's musicianship.
Year Of Release: 1974
Record rating = 8
Overall rating = 11
Rather like 'The Mind Dies Down On The Way', if you get my drift
- but this is sure a long and exciting way.
Best song: er, THE LAMB LIES DOWN ON BROADWAY
Whee, this is one mightily frigged out record. My guess is that
Peter Gabriel thought people were still taking him less seriously than
necessary, due to all the fox dresses, willow farms and Harold the Barrels.
So, one thing he hadn't still come up with was an extended, pretentious
rock opera. As you might have guessed, this is a double album - a double-length
rock opera. But ohmigosh, what a rock opera this is. Apparently, after
a lot of squibbling one comes to the conclusion that it does have
a plot: it's based on the lifestory and hallucinogenous experiences of
a Puerto Rican tramp called Rael, in order to impersonate whom Gabriel
even sacrificed his long hair and trippy stage costumes (some of
them, of course - over the duration of the live Lamb show Peter
still used to change quite a few outfits, including some gigantic monstruous
"pods" and other different stuff; but normally, he just put on
a ripped T-shirt and that was it). However, not even a supertalented scientist,
heck, not even a 'supernatural anaesthesist' can decipher what the hell
is really going on, be it in reality or in Rael's stoned mind.
This time Gabriel apparently didn't leave any modesty in his lyrics. You'll
find everything here, it's like a 'Genesis encyclopaedia': tramps, anaesthesists,
hairless hearts, deep caverns and imaginary (and real) cages, colonies
of slippermen, obscure Greek mythology outtakes, quotes from hundreds of
poets, writers and composers, and, of course, all of the band's clever
and not-so-clever musical tricks. All of this makes for a really terrible
first listening experience, you may believe me. Sitting through the entire
album was originally a task worthy of a true Hercules. And even after repeated
listenings, when one gets used to the music, lyrics and general atmosphere,
there is still a nagging thought that pursues me - what's the meaning
of this whole thing. Taken individually, the imagery of certain of these
songs is working quite all right; but as a whole, the album is just one
gigantic question mark. What's the sense of Rael pursued by a black cloud
over Broadway, waking up in a cage, meeting the "carpet crawlers"
and the Slippermen? What's the sense of him being castrated, and why insert
all that scene where his brother John is falling over imaginary rapids
and Rael chases after him in order to save him? What's the "It"
that concludes the album? Don't even try to answer. It's a put-on. If it
weren't for the form in which Gabriel and Co. dresses all that putrid
stuffing, I'd probably leave my former rating of six as it was. Fortunately,
on a pure musical level it certainly deserves better - after all, it's
no worse than The Wall.
The main point and accent of the imagery has certainly changed (in fact,
the album might be considered an all-out Americano anti-reaction to the
purely British Selling England), but the band's sound is still for
the most part the same, although they are slowly moving into the dubious
"post-Gabriel progressive" territory, with Banksynths now playing
a more prominent role (the main synth riff of 'It', for instance, while
good in itself, almost coincides with the one used on 'Robbery, Assault
And Battery' two years later). The sound is also quite energetic, roarin'
and tearin', but... it doesn't always work.
Now look here, I'll be the first to admit that the album does feature a
lot of interesting and sometimes even thrilling ideas (I'll be listing
the best of these in a moment), but there's really too much filler. Sometimes
a song starts out just fine and turns into a banal screamfest or into a
particularly nasty Banksynth fiesta soon after. Like 'In A Cage', for example,
the first verse of which is wonderful and the rest of which is... well,
decent, although I used to hate it, but still, it's just a normal rocker,
that never lives up to the glorious introduction ('I got sunshine in my
stomach/Like I just rocked my baby to sleep...').
Among the best stuff on here I'd certainly have to point out the title
track which is a golden classic and deservedly so. It really starts the
album on a high note, with, once again, Gabriel's vocal performance (and
Tony's tinkling piano - dump those synths, Tony!) making it stand out.
And, like you know, the first disc is not really bad at all. Once again,
I draw on comparisons with The Wall: Disc 1 is near-amazing, fresh,
exciting, full of good melodies and rich with subtle, "light"
atmosphere, but it's on Disc 2 where hell's bells finally strike and you
have to hack through its jungles with a battleaxe.
Indeed. 'The Lamb Lies Down On Broadway'? Roaring and tearing, kicks the
album off with an energy never matched afterwards. 'Fly On A Windshield'?
Excellent atmospherics (gives a great feel of the black cloud slowly and
rhythmically advancing on Rael), until suddenly the drums kick in and Tony
and Steve play up a thunderstorm while Phil pounds like a mule. 'Cuckoo
Cocoon'? Silly, refreshing "nursery" interlude. 'In The Cage'?
See above. 'The Grand Parade Of Lifeless Packaging'? Incredibly catchy
chorus. 'Hairless Heart'? Beautiful, beautiful instrumental, one of the
most emotional, climactic melodies on here. 'Counting Out Time'? Ah, there's
a real masterpiece - in between all these heavy progressive epics is etched
a jovial pop number, devoted to Rael's memories of his early days, reading
sex manuals before his first date and finding out all the 'hot spots' on
pages so-and-so. Unfortunately, the manual lets him down in the end. (Here's
another argument in favour of my hypothesis about Pete's deep sexual complexes,
but I guess everybody already knows about that). 'Carpet Crawlers'? Another
beautiful ballad, quiet, melancholic and with a philosophy of its own,
not to mention the timeless Gabriel falsetto on 'you gotta get in... to
get OOOOO-UUT!' 'The Chamber Of 32 Doors'? How could one forget the immortal
lines about 'I'd better trust a man who works with his hands...'.
In the end I only left out 'Back In New York City' which is kinda ugly.
But when it comes to Disc 2, I humbly lower my hands and turn off my head.
BITS, yes, BITS and PIECES of songs on there are enjoyable, but in general
it's just too plot-heavy and Gabriel is too busy proving his being well-educated
and well-read for it to be consistently enjoyable. I don't want to say
that these melodies really suck, but they really go overboard with their
complexity, not to mention that musically, you get all the most necessary
ideas on Disc 1, while Disc 2 just keeps repeating and recycling the same
stylistics over and over until you're just sick. Besides, it features such
minuses as 'The Waiting Room' - a load of stupid atonal noises that never
trigger any nerve. The only three songs on that disc that I enjoy in their
entirety are 'The Colony Of Slippermen' (more because of its intriguing
theatricality than anything else), 'The Light Dies Down On Broadway' (because
it's a reprise of the title track, as you understand) and the closing 'It'.
That said, I still raise my former rating to an eight (well, I promised
it would almost definitely grow), because... well, because this
is still a unique and highly intriguing album. I like the general style,
too, although my main complaint is that I can hardly hear Mr Hackett at
all: he was put very much in the background by Tony, and it becomes very
noticeable if you put Lamb on immediately after Selling England.
Poor Steve. Nevertheless, like I said, Tony rarely goes overboard with
his synth stylings on here, and there's still quite a lot of piano and
different instrumentation to spice up the pie. And out of all double-length
progressive albums, Lamb after all these years still turns out to
be the most accessible.
Of course, as everybody knows, right after the tour Peter quit Genesis,
never to rejoin again except for a single charity concert; as he himself
explained it, he was far too afraid to get trapped in a band whose popularity
was steadily on the rise and become just your average artificial rock star.
Well, supposedly he should have stayed around until 1981 or so - because
Genesis didn't actually become a mass audience icon until the early Eighties.
But to each his own ways, and after all, Peter's solo career easily beat
out Genesis' together career.
Counting out time before you mail your ideas
Your worthy comments:
Bryan B. <petroeh@hotmail.com> (24.03.99)
I find it quite funny that you say that the only reason you got deeper
into Genesis is because you heard Selling England by the Pound first.
I heard this one first, and, while it's not TRASH, it leaves a lot to be
desired (and provides a lot to be despised). Of all the supposed great
concept albums, this is probably the dullest I've heard (Well, I don't
much care for Zappa's Freak Out either, but at least it's amusing)
There have been worse concept albums made...but not this dull. You're right
to put down Tony Banks I say, he's a very dull keyboardist (though he's
not "bad" in that technical sense. Just dull.) Though earlier
Genesis is by golly certainly better in quality, I have the lingering memories
of horror and rotting brain cells sustained from listening to this album
to haunt me at the mere mention of the name "Genesis." Needless
to say, they were a band I was never able to quite get into. They didn't
have any genius musicians like your Rick Wakeman or Chris Squire, but they
were just as pretentious as Yes. Oddly enough, the only musician I ever
rated that was in Genesis was Steve Hackett, and you don't seem to think
he was anything special at all. Peter Gabriel had a pretty good solo career
for himself, but it wasn't because he was any virtuoso musician after all;
he was just a decent singer and good lyricist.
[Special author note: I do think
Steve Hackett was special; like I said, he was just buried deep down under
Banksynths].
Mike DeFabio <defab4@earthlink.net> (24.08.99)
See, here's where we really disagree on the subject of Genesis. I think this is their second best album. My English teacher thinks this is the greatest album ever done by anybody ever, but he's a dork. This definitely deserves a nine, though, what with all those fabulous songs jumping off the record at you.
José Humberto Mesquita Filho <humberto@fcm.unicamp.br> (30.09.99)
Now there's an album I truly enjoy. Loved it for the first time, and it only gets better. What a sound! Genesis do play progressive rock, without forgetting the ROCK part. Steve Hackett is playing like hell, and all of Tony Banks' synthethizers are in their right place, not overshadowing the rest of the band. And, altough they recorded it 25 years ago, I don't feel it's a classic. Maybe because its lyrical content hasn't been digested yet by the general public. I, for one, don't understand shit about what Peter Gabriel is singing about. "It", for example: what the hell is it? It does not bother me, however, since the song is glorious. OK, some parts of disc 2 are quite boring, but the overall result is amazing. This band ROCKS. I'm often in doubt about which of the last three Genesis' albums with Gabriel is my favourite, but since Lamb is a double and I listened to it again today, it gets my applause. And I never tire of Gabriel's voice. Now there's a guy who sings like an angel (whether standing in the sun or not).
John McFerrin <stoo@imsa.edu> (25.12.99)
Hey, George, got this from my brother today, and I must say that I enjoy
it greatly. I will also admit that the plot is REALLY screwed up; however,
it is kinda understandable, but ONLY if you have the accompanying liner
notes spelling it out as much as possible
In any case, I would give it a 9, and I'd also like to point out that 'Counting
Out Time' fits in in that it's part of Rael's flashbacks while he's sitting
and brooding while walking through the Lifeless packaging hall
Bob <Trfesok@aol.com> (08.02.2000)
Every prog band has produced an album where their vision outstrips their
music-making talents. With Yes, it was Tales from Topographic Oceans,
with ELP it was Pictures at an Exhibition. And with Genesis it was
this. It is just TOO MUCH, musically and lyrically. A very heavy, heavy
listening experience. I rarely listen to the whole thing all at once.
I agree that "The Waiting Room" is an atonal mess -- it sounds
like they were hanging out with their buddy Brian Eno (credited on the
album sleeve) a bit too long. But there are some very cool songs on the
record, like the title track, "In the Cage" and "Carpet."
And your review points out one thing that people overlook: where the hell
is Steve? Not nearly enough guitar! Which is not entirely surprising, since
supposedly Tony and Mike came up with mist of the music.
<TylerDurden900@aol.com> (15.02.2000)
I'm shocked at the negativity being targeted at this album. I find it
to be a masterpiece, something completely new and modern. It hasn't dated
one bit for me, it's extremely well done. My main reason is, however, the
cinematic flourish to the whole thing: I feel like a story is being unfolded
as I listen. This is key. Most rock operas, such as Tommy, The Wall,
Quadrophenia etc. are just a series of unrelated songs that form a
character's personality or mindframe, without actually saying, "Then
he walked into the house." Lamb says, "Then he walked
into the house" in its own weirdo ways. It does tell a story though,
no matter how abstract the story may be. And it can be analyzed, sense
can be made of it (I see it as RAel journey through hell and heaven, but
I've heard many interepretations). The actual music isn't as good as Selling
England or Foxtrot, but with a combination of music and lyrics,
audacity and ambition, concept and depth, it just barely oversteps Selling
England to be their best album. It takes a while to fully appreciate
it, but it's the one of the only albums that I never tire of. I love it
dearly. (I feel I've given the music a negative vibe. Keep in mind that
I only said it's not as good as Selling or Foxtrot, but it's
almost as good. It's still friggin' amazing. Banks' keyboards on 'Riding
the Screen', the beauty of 'THe Lamia' and 'HAirless Heart', the groove
of 'Supernatural Aneasthetist'. Also, I've heard people say that they like
the first half of the album much more than the second. Well, while the
second has more experiments and less singing, it also is the best side
in rock opera terms: the entire last set of songs tells of a truly followable
adventure in which Rael is castrated etc. It's awesome.)
[Special author note: no particular
negativity here, man... after all, Wind And Wuthering this album
ain't. However, I'm a bit shocked to see somebody oppose the 'story' of
Lamb to a LACK OF STORY of Tommy and The Wall. The
fact that the last two have chronological gaps (which is normal, since
the story takes a large time span) cannot be considered a 'flaw' as opposed
to the continuity of Lamb. And yes, I'm primarily considered about
the music - plain and simple. If the music here is less good than
on Selling England, this means that the album is less good. Pure
logics. The story overshadows the music. If I wanted a story, I could just
read the lyrics in the booklet.]
Jeff Blehar <jdb3@jhu.edu> (21.02.2000)
Perhaps I'm well-disposed to this album because it's the first Genesis
CD I bought, and it's the one that - despite all the filler - made me want
to seek out the rest of their stuff. Nevertheless, this has got a LOT of
filler between the good stuff, and I'm willing to concede that my opinion
probably isn't one shared by most folks.
My tendency with The Lamb Lies Down On Broadway is to look beyond
the overlong running time and obvious space fillers to find the really
worthwhile music here, and although you have to sort, there is quite a
lot of it to be found. First of all, the concept is flaky in the extreme,
but after hearing the album quite a few times I've grown to understand
it pretty well; which is to say that sense CAN be made out of it. Not as
if that makes it any better as a concept, but simply that there IS one.
As for the songs, The Lamb finds Genesis for the first time pretty
much embracing short-form pieces, and it's a good thing, since the best
moments here are POP songs, not PROG songs: the evanescent "The Lamb
Lies Down On Broadway" (yeah, it's probably the best track on the
album, but whoo, what a song!), the straight pop of "Counting Out
Time" and "The Carpet Crawlers," and the rock 'n' roll of
"it." and "Broadway Melody." (By the way, the 1998
remake of "it" on the Genesis Archives box set is much
better than the original, with a rerecorded Gabriel vocal and much crisper
sound). But the longer tracks are also worthwhile; I for one think "In
The Cage" is great ALL the way through, while "The Colony Of
Slippermen" has one of Banks' best synth solos.
But yeah, there's a lot of crap here too. "The Grand Parade Of Lifeless
Packaging" is transparently filler, and it's horrendous, while "The
Lamia" puts me to sleep. The instrumentals are all pointless too:
"Hairless Heart," "The Waiting Room," "Ravine,"
and especially "Silent Sorrow In Empty Boats" can all leave through
the back door, please. So I wouldn't recommend this unless you already
like the band - I'm surprised I managed to hang on to get into them, considering
my native predisposition against stuff like this. Those good bits are great,
though, and there's more of them than George would have you think. 7/10,
with caution.
Ben Greenstein <bgreenstein@nctimes.net> (16.04.2000)
Well, I like it. They should have edited it down to one disc, but the GOOD half of the album is so dark and moody that I can't help but fall in love with it. I'd call it the first "goth" album, but I hate goth music (which is odd - sometimes people mistake me for a goth), so it will have to settle for being really good dark prog. My favourites are the title track and the "Hairless Heart/Counting Out Time" suite. I give it an eight.
Adrian <HanzDaBird@aol.com> (17.06.2000)
This was a tough record to deal with. It probably took more listens than any other record I own for me to get into it. Even now I'm still torn. One on hand I love disc 1. There isn't a single track (besides 'Grand Parade...') that I don't like. The title track is magical, 'In The Cage' is oh so intense, and 'Counting Out Time' is the funniest song ever, period. Disc 2 is where the waters get bumpy. Even after all this time, the only tracks that stand out to me are 'Lilywhite Lilith', 'The Light Dies Down On Broadway' , and 'it'. Even when I force myself to sit down and listen to disc 2, I get bored and stop pay attention. 'The Waiting Room' sets the mood, assuming the listener likes sitting through a pointless and messy sound orgy. No thank you! After that, I feel that the band is trying to fill up space. Even Gabriel's melodies seem to falter. But I guess even Genesis is human (see Trespass!!!). I do think that this would have made a better single album. But I do think that the songs on the first disc make it worth buying the whole package. For better of for worse, I am very impressed by this album and think that it is a fitting end to the Peter Gabriel era.
Ben Greenstein <bgreenstein@nctimes.net> (23.06.2000)
I've been listening to this one a lot recently, and there isn't nearly as much filler as I used to think there was. "The Lamia," for example, has one of the most beautiful, intoxicating melodies that this band (or any band) has put together. And although I agree that the intro to "In The Cage" is pure beauty that surpasses the rest of the song, I still LOVE the rest of the song, do I ever. In fact, I believe that this has become one of my favourite albums, and very easily the best Genesis album (even though there's a whole lot I would rate really high). A ten!
Rich Bunnell <taosterman@yahoo.com> (05.09.2000)
Aw man, here I was all ready to rave about how stupid you are not to
consider "Cuckoo Cocoon," "Chamber Of 32 Doors" and
"Grand Parade Of Lifeless Packaging" to be great songs, and you
go and raise the album's grade two points! Not that I'm complaining; I
think that it's a great, interesting album and as good a sendoff of Pete
as there could possibly be. I agree that the only duffer on Disc 1 is "Back
in NYC," which features both Tony's synths and Pete's singing at their
most ugly and annoying (plus the song has almost no melody), though I think
that the song gets better once it hits its alternate melody about three
minutes in. In fact, I agree with you entirely about the first disc. Great,
magnificent, excellent stuff. I know that I'm being unoriginal, but "The
Carpet Crawlers" is probably my favorite Genesis song (from either
era - but shouldn't it be unspoken that the best song from the Gabriel
era would be better than the best from the Collins era?) - it's gorgeous.
"In The Cage" is groovy (if you can call any Genesis song pre-Abacab
"groovy") and "Fly On The Windshield" is atmospheric
and murky, and Don Henley would later rip off that stomping synth-guitar
part at the end for one of his lame, boring solo career songs that keeps
getting played on the radio where I live.
Though the second disc is a bit of a letdown melody-wise (there aren't
any real knockouts like the title track or "Counting Out Time,"
except for "it" of course) it still boasts great atmosphere and
some cool instrumentals. "The Waiting Room," for example, I enjoy
a whole lot more than I'm told to, and "The Lamia" is a great,
dramatic ballad. In fact, I'd say that the second disc is more consistent
because it has no huge stinker like "Back in NYC," but then people
would make fun of me.
This album took me over two months to digest (how the hell was John able
to comment on this album AND understand the story the same day he got it?!?!?!?
It's not humanly possible!) but I have to say that it was worth it. For
me it's the third straight masterpiece of Genesis's career - the band was
really on a winning streak at this point (and some of the brilliance trickled
into the next album in spite of Pete's departure). I give it a ten, and
don't try to get me to make it any lower!!!
John McFerrin <stoo@imsa.edu> (06.09.2000)
Well, (since I've been called out), I wouldn't say that I _understood_
the plot, really. There are so damn many subtexts and metaphors in here,
it is only after pouring through this album repeatedly that one can grasp
what Pete actually meant to say.
All I meant was that I had the chronological sequencing of the story down-pat
after just a couple of listenings - I mean, c'mon, this story is fascinating
beyond words, how could I possibly resist trying to get the outer-workings
of it into my head as quickly as possible?
Plus, I insist that this album does have a fairly reasonable flow - when
my brother wanted to know the next day what the heck the plot of this mythical
rock opera was in the car ride home from church, I found it surprisingly
easy to keep everything straight, from the 'viewing' of his life in the
'Grand Parade' ... to his seduction by and subsequent of the Lami to his
castration (how can anyone ignore the beautiful lines, "Don't delay,
dock the dick, I watch the countdown timer tick"?) to his soul fluttering
back and forth between his body and his brother's. Not that I had any idea
what any of it meant, of course, but still, not as challenging as it's
made out to be.
But then, I'm a freak who tried to understand Tales From Topographic
Oceans - I'm glad I did, but I would definitely say, "Don't try
this at home" to anybody who would decide to follow in my steps.
Philip Maddox <slurmsmckenzie@hotmail.com> (26.11.2000)
My opinions on this album have changed quite a few times. The first
couple of times I heard it, I was convinced it was a masterpiece of the
highest order. The next few times, however, I noticed that nothing really
jumped out at me, and none of the tunes hit me as hard as the tunes on
the last albums. After a good couple of months of listening to it, however,
I've come to the consclusion that this album is real good, and quite worthy
of a 9, in my opinion. There are lots and lots of extremely good ideas
and melodies on this album, the best of which show up in the gorgeous "The
Carpet Crawlers" and the dark, cold, extremely pretty "The Lamia".
Nothing's really bad here, either, though a few of the instrumental passages
are a bit dull, and the conclusion of "it" doesn't quite do it
for me. The song is good, of course, but it doesn't have the real "punch"
that ended the last 3 albums - the mellotron crecendo on Cryme,
the beautiful repeating guitar lines of Foxtrot, or the "Dancing
With The Moonlit Knight" reprise on Selling England. Doesn't
really hurt the album, though.
You know what's weird? I think I actually like the second disc here just
as much as the first one. There are TONS of great songs there, if you ask
me, especially "The Lamia", "Anyway", and "Lilywhite
Lilith". Yup, this is a great album, though not as good as the last
2, if you ask me.
Richard Craig <discodick2000@hotmail.com> (15.12.2000)
Once again I was on your fantastic site (why do Russians like Genesis
so much?) and I noticed your complete slagging of Seconds Out. I
got this album for my second Genesis CD five years ago and it fooled me
into thinking that 'The Lamb Lies Down On Broadway' was a crap song.
Imagine what I felt what I heard the real version with the old master Peter
Gabriel in command instead (I assume he still had long hair during those
sessions as they were early 1974). There was a piano instead of a synth
(even Tony confessed that he hated the sound of synth on that track at
least).Mike's new double neck bass was in evidence too.
The Lamb was the last Gabriel era album that i was introduced to.
I had all the other albums on crappy tapes lying around the place, and
I used to look at the back of the CD and see things written like 'A Visit
To the Doktor.' Only Peter Gabriel would induce weirdness like that- none
of your King Crimson esque huge song titles. Weird spelling of doctor?
Jolly good! I am aware that The Lamb is inferior to Selling England,
but I was sekeing the last chapter of the classic Genesis ( my mum had
already force-fed all that commercial crap like Invisible Touch
down my throat) and I was delighted. Even 'IT' sounds good against the
backdrop of the dreadful version on Three Sides Live which i had already.
And the atmosphere on the album is so confident- I like the way the first
two artists mentioned on the sleeve are Mike and Steve- just as important
as Gabriel in my opinion. This is probably the worst of the Gabriel/Charisma
era( the Decca LP is not really a Genesis record, you know), but its still
absolutely great.It makes Topographic Oceans look positively ridiculous(only
I have this album too and its not that bad).
PS has anyone heard the improv after The Supernatural Anesthetist on the
live Lamb on the Archive Boxed Set? It is supremely spaced out.
There is some American guy shouting 'open the curtain!' throughout but
its still great. Does anyone know if it surfaced anywhere else and what
it is called?
Year Of Release: 1976
Record rating = 8
Overall rating = 11
The best in songwriting and the most mediocre in song arrangement.
Tony Banks should be guillotined. (On parole!)
Best song: A TRICK OF THE TAIL
What differences are there between the Gabrielled Genesis and the Gabrielless
Genesis? Well, first of all, as one might guess, a Gabrielless Genesis
features no Peter Gabriel. That meant that somebody had to replace his
showman/singing abilities (the songwriting would be quite modestly handled
by those old pals, Mr Banks and Mr Rutherford). After trying out dozens,
if not hundreds, of potential candidates, they suddenly found out that
the answer was right before them all of this time. Our old friend, Phil
the Boomer, rose to the challenge and demonstrated his ability to take
the place of Peter. And so begins the Odyssey of Phil Collins and his rapid
rise from one of the best drummers in progressive rock to one of the crappiest
performers on the adult contemporary scene...
One might note, though, that Phil Collins isn't really responsible for
the song material on this album (nor is he really responsible for the following
two albums, for that matter). The compositions are mostly penned by Banks
and/or Rutherford, with an occasional collaboration from Collins or Hackett.
The latter seems to have been relegated to purely decorative functions.
If one complains about the lack of audible guitar on the 'classic' 1971-74
Genesis albums, he should throw this stuff away even without looking
at it. The little bits of guitar that you might discern aren't certainly
worth a whole band member (moreover, some of them might just as well be
played by Rutherford). Sure, Steve gets in one composition of his own ('Entangled')
and is responsible for some of the most beautiful moments on the album
(the breathtaking solo on 'Ripples', for instance), but these sound more
like a sop hastily thrown to the man by his more ambitious colleagues.
This means that Hackett's departure in 1977 really made little influence
on Genesis - contrary to what many people believe. Poor Steve, he was virtually
squeezed out of the band - what you'll find on here, actually, is a lengthy,
50-minute feast of Banksynth noises. Alas, even when he turns himself to
normal pianos, it doesn't always help. The sound is as uniform and monotonous
as it might be, and while the actual melodies still stand out, Genesis
seem to be heading more and more in the Kansas direction - and may I remind
you that Kansas had built their entire early career on ripping off Genesis.
Not to mention that they are among the most boring progressive groups to
have ever existed. Granted, the sound might still have been fresh in 1976,
but now it just sounds dated - pointless studio gimmickry which sure makes
the music sound 'modern' (that is, 'modern' for 1976), but it sure doesn't
make the music sound entertaining.
Moreover, Phil's singing is highly disappointing after all those Gabriel
cookies - to me, at least. Yes, he does sound like Gabriel, but where are
these cute little changes in intonation, these spoken passages, these inspired
rambling mutterings? Phil delivers his lines in a boring, monotonous way,
and even so he's often muddied down by the production. His voice is not
bad at all, but he isn't able to model it at all, and just ends
up overemoting on each track. From now on, Genesis vocals are crisp and
professional, but are no longer a standout.
So... why an eight for this album, then? Well, see, the song material
is actually quite strong. Whatever I may hold against Banks, at this point
he did know how to turn in a great little tune (on occasion), and, hell,
Rutherford was a really talented composer. His beautiful ballad
'Ripples', dedicated to the problems of aging, is one of the definite highlights
on the record, romantic and tear-jerking, even though a little bit overlong
(as a matter of fact, everything on here is overlong: the band just never
knew when to shut up). Still, it does have that great solo thrown in by
Steve. Other wonders include the tragic anthem of 'Squonk', with a charming
fantasy story about a little animal who dissolved itself into tears when
it was cornered, and the thrilling story of 'Robbery, Assault, And Battery'
which again plunges us into the world of Genesis-like Britishness (strangely,
the lyrical matter evokes the subject of 'Harold The Barrel'). Not that
the songs are really that British as the album cover, with its Boz-like
illustrations, suggests: in fact, without Gabriel there to deliver the
lyrics, Banks often ends up sounding as a lame parody on Pete Sinfield
('Mad Man Moon' - arguably the worst track on here, an overlong sloppy
ballad which doesn't hold a candle to 'Ripples' or, well, 'Musical Box',
for all my life's worth; it does have a nice atmosphere to it, though,
which is more than I could say about its successor on the next album, the
dreadful 'One For The Vine'). Still, his best composition on the album
(title track) should be considered a classic. On 'A Trick Of The Tail'
everything seems to gel perfectly, maybe for the last time on a Genesis
album. The lyrics (a story about a devil who, for some unknown reason,
came to seek happiness on Earth) are decent, the melody, a nice shuffle
with delicate key changes, is invigorating, and even Phil manages to somehow
lift up his spirits on this one. Try it, you'll like it.
Plus, the other three compositions are okay. 'Dance On A Volcano' is anthemic,
'Entangled' is, well, entangled, but listenable (watch out for that
mighty crescendo at the end - it's pure heaven when the headphones are
on), and the closing 'Los Endos' is clever, even if it's nothing more than
an average prog-rock instrumental with snippets of some other tracks and
a quote from 'Supper's Ready' inserted at the end. In fact, there's little
offensive stuff on the record, as far as songwriting is concerned. Just
imagine how this might have sounded if they'd bother to substitute some
of Banks' tools for, say, a twelve-string? Oh, okay, an extra six-string
would easily do, I'm sure.
P.S. Considering one of the reader comments which reflects a widely spread
statement, I'd just like to combat one nasty myth: namely, the assertion
that after Gabriel's departure Genesis became more "musically-oriented".
Genesis always paid most of their attention to the music - 'Supper's
Ready' and Selling England might have their theatrical moments,
but 99% of their charm stems from the actual music. If anything, Genesis
became less "theatre-oriented" after Gabriel's departure, actually,
they dropped the 'rock theatre' vibe almost in its entirety. But they didn't
'compensate' for it by paying more attention to the music, simply because
they couldn't ever have paid more attention to the music than they
did in the Gabriel days. On the contrary, what was so amazing about Gabriel-era
Genesis was that they managed to combine 'rock theatre' with perfectly
written music. If you complain about your attention being drawn away by
Peter's antics, well, it's your problem; I, for one, can concentrate either
on Gabriel or on the music, whichever I prefer, and therefore consider
the early Gabriel-Genesis experience twice as rewarding as whatever followed.
Yes, post-1975 Genesis never wrote such mini-show pieces as 'Get 'Em Out
By Friday', but the main charm of these pieces stems from the fact that
they are all highly melodic and incorporate blistering musical performances;
the music in there is in no way overshadowed by Peter's delivery. So much
for the illusionary "theatrical/musical" Genesis opposition.
Entangled in my reviews, eh? Then mail your ideas
Your worthy comments:
Richard C. Dickison <randomkill@earthlink.net> (16.05.99)
I agree that the synth on here can be overbearing but check out Wind
and Wuthering for those guitars, thats where they stashed them.
I do like the energy on this album and thats where you can really key into
this one. The albums with Peter involved seemed to always have something
to prove or some type of now dated display of musical prowess (ala Yes,
ELP) and lets face it these guys did stumble. I've come to believe Peter
was the one wanting to push the length of songs as shown in The Lamb
Lies Down On Broadway.
This album is the only other besides Selling England by The Pound
where things seem to balance out the songs stay sort-of short, and damn
there even clever, something Steve said he ways promoting.
I can't really fault any one person for not bringing anything to the table
musically except Steve and he really did not show up on Lamb either,
probably saving up for the next album where he finally leaves.
I also have to point out that most people I know who got into Genesis started
with this album. I believe they were at their most accessible here. I think
it sounds more tungue in cheek, like they were actually trying to show
the band having fun. The next album Wind and Wuthering sort of peters
out (get it), I always thought that it sounded like outtakes from this
album and since it came out in the same year and really has no high points.
hmmm
Anyway this was the last exceptable progressive album from this band in
my opinion be that what it may, if you have an interest in one of the better
prog bands start here or with Selling England
George, it's obvious you have really listened to these albums alot, thanks
for the balanced reviews your giving them. Dick
Rich Bunnell <taosterman@yahoo.com> (19.11.99)
This one doesn't bother me all that much. The arrangements are certainly pompous and the album is filled with synth, but without that huge, dominating synth, "Squonk" wouldn't be such an amazing song (check out that majestic melody in the chorus!) and that would be just wrong. I suppose the album is boring at moments, but Phil Collins doesn't annoy me nearly as much here as he does on later Genesis albums and his own godawful solo career. I'd give this a 12.
Ben Greenstein <bgreenstein@nctimes.net> (28.11.99)
I don't care who's singing - I love this album! At times, I consider
rating it even above Selling England, because it doesn't have any
tracks like "Battle Of Eppermore" that I don't really care for.
The album opens with "Dance On A Volcano" which (don't laugh)
is my favourite Genesis song EVER. I don't know exactly why, but it may
have to do with a teenage crush I had on a young actress in a movie about
volcanoes. Of course, it probably has more to do with the awesome eerie
twelve-string and awe-inspiring chorus. I'm also quite fond of "Squonk,"
"Entagled," "The Title Track," and that "Ripples"
song is pretty cool too. I don't see what's so atrocious about "Mad
Man Moon," but do agree that it's probably the worst song on here,
followed closely by the kind-of-annoying "Robbery, Assualt, and Battery."
Of course, these are still fine songs - in all honesty, I'd rather listen
to this stuff than some of the weaker tunes from the band's first couple
of albums, and even more than some of the stuff on Foxtrot. This
album is awesome - I give it a 10/10.
John McFerrin <stoo@imsa.edu> (01.03.2000)
Ehn ... I'm not sure I'd give it such a high grade. I agree with you
when you say you miss the mutterings etc.; Collins does pull off the 'power'
aspect of Gabriel pretty well, and it's very difficult to tell the two
apart in that way, but that's all that he does. And no humorous blurts
of hilarious combos like "RAEL IMPERIAL AEROSOL KID" (I LOVE
that line).
Still ... 'Ripples' is GORGEOUS (though it should be two minutes shorter
at least) and 'Trick of the Tail' comes as close to a funny track as anything
else. And 'Squonk' does stir emotions, what with the dissolving in tears
part and all. But 'Dance' does very little for me (and what is with those
wierd, annoying synth notes at the beginning? Yeesh. SHUT UP TONY!). I'd
give this a 7.
Ted Goodwin <Ftg3plus4@cs.com> (12.04.2000)
Opinions on this album (as well as WIND & WUTHERING) generally
depend on whether you first became interested in Gabriel's Genesis or Collins'.
I am of the latter persuasion, and TRICK & WIND are my
favorite Genesis albums because they came during that brief period after
Gabriel left but before Hackett did. Gabriel's delivery was often more
theatrical than musical, and to my ears his cynical wit, sometimes ugly
imagery (although I've found that others actually wrote some of what I
thought were "Gabriel's ugly words") and occasional outright
shamelessness (esp. on LAMB) were at serious odds with the beauty
of Genesis' music.
And, believe it or not, Hackett made a difference. "Entangled",
Hackett's main moment on TRICK, is prettier than anything Genesis
did before of since (and imagine how much less pretty it would been in
Gabriel's hands -- I don't even want to think about it). I like the first
side of TRICK better than the 2nd (yes, even "Mad Man Moon").
"Robbery" just doesn't quite cut it -- Phil (as lyricist) tries
to paint a scene that's somewhere beyond his painting abilities, and the
instrument break has a sloppy feel to it. "Ripples" really doesn't
need that 2-part structure, and besides that there's small but specific
changes I wish I could make to the tune. I never cared for the title track
(as with most of Banks' lame story songs) until I realized that, intentionally
or not, it works as a neat little parable: if something doesn't fit in
with our little view of the world, we simply choose not to see or accept
it. Probably not intentional, but oh well. As someone else said somewhere,
"Los Endos" seems like a cop-out in the absence of a good ending
song (especially since it's almost entirely made up of parts of other songs,
one of which is a rare non-LP B-side), but it still works.
Jeffrey A Morton <whitesnake5@juno.com> (30.06.2000)
Someone said to me once, and I believe it to be true, that post-Gabriel Genesis was much more "musicaly" oriented than the lyricly dominated Gabriel albums. Maybe Trick of the Tail was a respnse to the lyricly obtuse Lamb... where our dear friend Peter when slightly batty. It's interesting to hear the intertwined guitars in "Dance on a Volcano" and it's oddly timed rythms (it occured to me George that you may be thinking that some of the guitar parts are synths. Hackett was prolific in creatings "non-guitar" sounds from his guitar.) The fantasy tale in "Squonk" is very good....but musicaly is where it really stands out. And Phil (a great drummer, not a pill) really makes a non-threatening performance, but would find his voice on later albums...
Rich Bunnell <taosterman@yahoo.com> (06.07.2000)
I wanted to add another reader comment to this because my last one was
too short and just said "I like Squonk. This is good. 12/15."
I've grown to REALLY LOVE this album, maybe not so much as some of the
Gabriel ones, but at least as much as, if not more than, Selling England.
It's true that Collins only manages to pull off the general Genesis sound
(i.e. powerful Banksynths and Gabrielish vocals) without the weird, spaced-out
lyrics that Gabriel was so good at, but this doesn't matter to me because
these songs are just SO GOOD. The arrangements that you call "bad"
I call "really interesting," and by that I'm specifically referring
to "Dance On A Volcano," a great opening tune with a really neat
"boiling over" sound(though Ben has said before that he wants
to sing it at his wedding-- that sort of scares me; isn't singing "You'd
better start doing it right!" continuously kind of insulting towards
the bride?). "Entangled" and "Ripples" are gorgeous
(not a bit overlong, in my humble-as-hell opinion), and the title track
and "Robbery Assault and Battery" are neat distinctly-British
slabs of bouncy pop. $100,000 QUESTION: Why does every Genesis fan hate
the latter song so much? I went to the Genesis newsgroup and there was
a thread going on about the worst Genesis song of all time, and most of
the posts either singled out that song or "Who Dunnit". Why??
(About "Robbery," of course-"Who Dunnit" is crap no
matter how you slice it.) Sure, the song tries to recreate the Gabriel
vibe and kind of fails at it because Collins just doesn't have the ability
to emulate anything but Pete's voice, but that doesn't stop the song from
having a really solid and fun melody with a great chorus. "ROB-BER-RY!
Assault, and BAT-TER-Y!"
....Anyway, my only problems with the album are the production (not as
good as what came before or later, the mix is kind of choppy and the versions
on the upcoming Seconds Out only serve to prove that further) and
that "Mad Man Moon" is a bit overlong considering that it has
the weakest melody on the album. Otherwise this is by far the strongest
Collins-era album and a very solid and high 9. And yes, "Squonk"
is an AWESOME song. It should've been a hit single, but I guess the public
thinks "Misunderstanding" is just so much more awesome. Yeeeeeah.
Year Of Release: 1977
Record rating = 4
Overall rating = 7
Sorry, but Banks totally slaughters this one for me. I agree there
are some strong songs, though.
Best song: YOUR OWN SPECIAL WAY
Oops, I blew it. I said something good about Tony Banks in that last
review, haven't I? Well, screw it. Forget it. From the opening notes of
this album and down to the last second, it's a nauseating synthfest. These
electronic sounds seem to infiltrate you, spoil the very air you're breathing,
poison the cup of tea you're sipping at while trying to get through to
the melodies. And remember: I'm not against synthesizers as long as they're
used in the correct way. You can put out a killer synth riff, something
like Gentle Giant's 'Alucard'. You can use the synth to create outstanding
fantasy-world or just outstanding spiritual musical textures, like
Brian Eno. You can at least demonstrate your vast instrumental prowess
by playing a technically immaculate, warp-speed solo - something in the
style of Keith Emerson; I admit that some would hate that last style, calling
it self-indulgent etc., but it's at least motivated. But when you engage
in series of pointless, draggy instrumental passages that do neither of
these three things, the reasonable question is: WHY? Why did Tony
Banks clutter this huge, fifty-minute album with LOADS of these routine,
boring, monotonous synth passages that do nothing besides just sit there
and fart around? Okay, the tone he gets on this album and the general 'atmospherics'
of his playing is basically not the worst thing in the world. But it's
absolutely the same tone and absolutely the same atmospherics he used on
the previous album, and he doesn't change AT ALL throughout all of these
fifty minutes! Just noodle noodle noodle noodle... until I really can't
tell one song from another, apart from a couple relative highlights I'll
be mentioning shortly.
My guess is that Tony desperately wanted a serious album, plus he
wanted to establish a clear monopoly on the new Genesis sound. But in doing
so, he managed to successfully forget about everything that made earlier
Genesis so great - awesome melodies, light-hearted lyrics, diverse instrumentation
and stylistics, and above all, the irresistable playfulness of Gabriel's
style which made the music complex and serious, on one side, and easily
accessible and delightful, on the other one. This is still Genesis, for
sure, but it's a formal, lifeless, clumsy Genesis that completely misses
the Genesis essence of old. Where such bands as Kansas were once faithfully
copying Genesis in form, but not essence, Genesis now seem to be copying
Kansas themselves. Yyyyuck.
As for Steve Hackett, he must have played a total of two or three notes
on this album (speaking figuratively, of course), which explains why he
left shortly after recording the album - the contradictions with Banks
were getting irresolvable. Rutherford holds out, though, contributing yet
another in a series of his beautiful, classic-influenced ballads ('Your
Own Special Way'), and Collins certainly does him a huge favour by stretching
himself on it totally. Perversely enough, this is usually the fans' least
favourite number on the record, because it's - go figure - too much pop
for them. Well, it's not the greatest song ever written, for sure, but
at the least, it has a memorable and idiosyncratic chorus, and that's far
more than I could say about the rest of the album.
Two more songs manage to garner my attention in the long run. The album
opens on a high note - 'Eleventh Earl Of Mar', dedicated to a metaphoric
description of an old Scottish upraisal, buzzes along at a suitable pace
and does include a couple of those long-lamented synth riffs that
make it listenable. I can even disregard the 'deconstructing' of the melody
(initiated on tunes like 'Squonk', where, if you remember, the verses got
stretched out, twisted and disstructured in the most brutal way imaginable),
as well as the fact that a large part of the vocal melody was shamelessly
taken over from 'Battle Of Epping Forest' (and some - from 'Squonk' itself);
the upbeat tone and the presence of real melodies make it tolerable and
even enjoyable. And the Hackett/Collins collaboration 'Blood On The Rooftops'
is a nice breather in between all the muck, opening with a pretty acoustic
intro and accompanied with a Mellotron rather than a synthesizer all the
way through. It's not as well-constructed as 'Entangled' on the previous
album, but if anything on this record feels sincere or moving, it is 'Blood
On The Rooftops'.
But the album is also cluttered with pointless, meaningless and deadly
boring instrumentals ('Wot Gorilla?'; 'Unquiet Slumbers') which make any
instrumental passage on a 1970-74 Genesis album sound inspired and brilliant
in comparison. "Self-indulgence" is the keyword here: either
you make an instrumental memorable by basing it on a good melody, or you
just drive the listener breathless with the energy and technical level
of the performance, but if you fall somewhere in between, how can you stand
the competition? Awful, awful compositions...
...yet not as awful as that ten-minute abomination on the first side. There,
Banks reaches an all-time low with a brooding and raving 'epic' ('One For
The Vine') which is just such a horrible load of pseudo-intelligent bullshit
that I refuse to acknowledge it as a Genesis song. The lyrics are super-pretentious
but mean nothing, with overbearing cliches and idiotic preachiness strewn
all over the song, and the melody could have been written by Elton John
at the age of 10. And this is supposed to be going on for ten minutes?
Holy crap! Needless to say, no humour, no playfulness, and not even the
percussion-heavy mid-section helps to bring the song out of its grotesque,
overbearing, nauseating atmosphere. 'One For The Vibe', it should be called,
and 'Zero For The Effort'.
Oh geez, I must have been very offensive here - and I've just remembered
that Wind And Wuthering seems to be a fan favourite! Where are we
living, Eldorado? Nah, shucks. Were we living in Eldorado, Tony Banks would
have been expulsed long ago. All I can say is that if this is a
fan favourite, I suggest all you average boozers avoid hardcore Genesis
fans. They might bite you.
So overall, this is a rather sad picture the band has drawn of itself.
All these instrumentals, ten-minute Banks compositions... sad, very sad.
Exhaustion? Stagnation? Overproductivity? Touring excesses? Yes, all that,
plus somebody's huge ambitions and vast ego. Nah, no way. Stick to Trick
Of The Tail, where the band was still at least partially following
in Gabriel's footsteps, with lightweightness preserved in 'A Trick Of The
Tail', Britishness preserved in 'Robbery, Assault And Battery', pure beauty
preserved in 'Ripples', good riffs preserved in 'Squonk', shimmering guitarwork
preserved in 'Entangled', and rocking energy preserved in 'Dance On A Volcano'.
How many categories did I mention? Six? Wind & Wuthering doesn't
have a quarter of that.
P.S. Did I mention yet that this one has to have one of the weakest Genesis
album closers? 'Afterglow' is based on a two-note melody, it seems, and
is so pathetic and so monotonous at the same time that it really hurts.
It tends to be emotional and spiritual, but is so gruesomely inadequate
that I can't stand it at all.
Your own special way would be to mail your own special ideas
Your worthy comments:
Richard C. Dickison <randomkill@earthlink.net> (21.08.99)
I really can't agree with your placing Wind and Wuthering as
the worst Genesis album for one reason. They still were yet to produce
that heaping pile of shit called Calling All Stations. I mean lets
face the facts that this album still has Steve Hackett and Phil Collins
for good or bad. That other stinking thing has neither.
I know you hate Tony (We all do) but why not show this constructively by
naming Calling All Stations the rightful holder of the, do not buy
at any price, award.
We could even say that Tony destroyed Genesis finally, dead, dead I say.
This poor album is simply the worst of the semi-classic Genesis. More pointless
songs per square inch than any other of the quote classic Genesis albums.
I also like the cover art here, I mean even I could place more value in
this album because of that. Sort a nice tree, neat how the leaves are blowing
in the breeze, Autumn is almost here is'nt it. You can almost see Tony
hanging from that tree, noose and all, ha ha. Oh, I'm sorry what were we
talking about again.
[Special author note: Dick is
right, I already substituted the album on the 'worst album' list.]
Ben Greenstein <bgreenstein@nctimes.net> (09.11.99)
I don't think it's bad at all! I honestly can't see what makes "One For The Vine" any less interesting than, say, "The Battle Of Epping Forest." The synths are a little distracting at times, but, see, I really love Bank's keyboard work (he's just got so many great ideas!), so I really don't care how he plays them. Plus, "Eleventh Earl Of Mar" has got to be one of the band's best "pure-prog" numbers - how can you dislike that midsection? Sounds fine to me. There are a couple of tunes, though, that don't really stick out at all, and I'm at a crossroads about "Your Own Special Way." While part of me likes it's memorable melody, the rest finds it to be a slightly bland ballad. The album gets a six or a seven, depending on my mood.
Greg Nordeng <floyd@chorus.net> (20.02.2000)
WOW!!! I am truly astonished in your opinion of this album. I personally think that Gabriel will always BE Genesis. And without Gabriel in this album they still somehow managed to keep that Gabrielesque sound. The guitarwork from Steve Hackett is the backbone of this album, he has that sound that sounds like mix between Mother Goose and an intellectual novel. I find a lot of emotion in the progressions of this album, especially in the song "Blood On the Rooftops". To me the song "Afterglow" might be one of the most powerful endings an album could hope for. Very rarely will I actually feel a song in throughout my stomach, this song sends a tornedo through my stomach leaving me VERY fulfilled with the album. In fact tears beg to come out whenever I listen to 'Afterglow'.
John McFerrin <stoo@imsa.edu> (08.03.2000)
This album blows; I dislike it more than you do. It reminds me highly
of Tormato in that it's little more than a shadow and a parody of
previous successes. Less guitar than EVER, synths that simply befuddle
the mind, and COMPLETELY without the Gabriel vibe. I mean, let's face it,
it was that vibe that was the heart of Genesis, and without him the band
could only continue to fall apart at the seams. And THAT is probably why
Hackett left; he wanted to get out of a band that he sensed was on the
verge of even worse self-parody than what they had already shown.
Now, the actual songs. It follows, again, the Tormato model in that
there is only ONE good song on here. Unfortunately, 'Your Own Special Way',
I'm sorry to say, just isn't that special. It's ok, I guess, but hardly
a standout. Oh, wait, it is the standout. Darn. Throw in the fact that
we don't get any amazing guitar work (like Howe in 'Release Release') or
anything else to captivate us, and you get a pretty miserable album. And
those instrumentals .... UGH! At least the ones on Lamb suited the
dark, sub-earthly atmosphere of Rael's location in the story, but these
are all ... POINTLESS! Absolutely POINTLESS!
I give it a 3.
Ted Goodwin <Ftg3plus4@cs.com> (12.04.2000)
I really don't see what's wrong with Tony's synthesizers, either the sounds he uses or the way he plays them. For me the main thing wrong with WIND is his charmless story-song lyrics. Why did he feel the need to burden our brains with the story of "One For The Vine"? What does the "vine" have to do with anything, anyway? And some of the musical aspects of "All In A Mouse's Night" deserve better than to be tied to an un-serious, un-funny and pointless Tom & Jerry exercise. All this doesn't mean I don't like WIND -- I just don't like it as much as TRICK. The tracks on WIND that really do it for me are "Eleventh Earl Of Mar" & "Blood On The Rooftops". Not coincidentally, these are the places where Hackett shines through -- the tunes on "Blood" and (undoubtedly) the middle part of "Earl" are his, and they're BREATHTAKING to me.
Rich Bunnell <taosterman@yahoo.com> (06.07.2000)
I'm not particularly irritated by synthesizers (I mean, I listen to and enjoy the freaking Pet Shop Boys, for god's sake) so I personally don't find this album to be nearly as atrocious as you do. If there's anything to complain about, it's that the last few tunes ("Blood on the Rooftops," "Afterglow") and the closing instrumentals are sort of weak, dragging on for too long without interesting enough melodies to keep the listener either interested or enthralled. Still, "Eleventh Earl of Mar" is a simply stunning, groovy tune, "Your Own Special Way" is a pretty ballad that succeeds despite the atrocious country twang gee-tar in the chorus, and "One For The Vine," no matter how much everyone bashes it, doesn't particularly offend my ears for a single minute out of its ten. Yeah, it's weaker than Trick, but it's still a pretty good album. I agree that Tony had completely taken over the band's sound by this point, but let's be honest-- was there ever a point where he didn't dominate the band's sound? Maybe a high 7 or a really low 8.
<TylerDurden900@aol.com> (27.08.2000)
I'm very confused. Trick of the Tail gets an 8, but Wind and Wuthering gets a 4 and is called one of the band's worst albums? Jeez. I always thought those two albums were very similar, in terms of quality and sound. Banks' synths remain overbearing on both albums, and although they may be a bit more prominent on Wind, I can't see why anyone would hate one and like the other. I personally find Wind and Wuthering to be better than Trick, if only because it's moodier and has a more cohesive feeling to it. Damn, it's the most gentle Genesis album the band ever did....I simply can't understand the low rating.
Year Of Release: 1977
Record rating = 7
Overall rating = 10
Slaughtering the old classics doesn't mean they're no longer good.
Best song: FIRTH OF FIFTH
As far as I can think, this is probably the last 'classic' Genesis album,
because it still features Steve Hackett and it still relies mostly on the
'old classics'. It's live, of course. It has somebody else, not Phil, on
drums (Bill Bruford, mayhaps?), and he's good. Unlike Phil. I'm sorry,
but I have to say that, whatever the critics may have raved, he is absolutely
not out-Gabrielling Gabriel. But let's deal with this in due time, shall
we?
The album is double - late as usual. I mean, all the great artists usually
don't care too much about live albums while they're in their prime, either
releasing none or releasing a poorly recorded single one, and only when
they're past their zenyth do they suddenly turn back and remember: "Hey!
We haven't done a double live album, haven't we? What were we thinking
about?" And they quickly record it, but it's too late, of course.
Just look at this list: the Who's Who's Last, the Stones' Love
You Live, Dylan's Before The Flood, Clapton's Just One Night,
the Kinks' One For The Road, all of them were double live albums
representing artists way after their prime. Like I say, rock music does
have its laws...
Seconds Out is no exception. A double album, it concentrates heavily
on the 'classics' which the band just didn't get a chance to record (or
to release) live while Gabriel was still hanging around. Look at the track
listing - 'Firth Of Fifth', 'I Know What I Like', 'The Cinema Show', 'The
Lamb Lies Down On Broadway', 'Carpet Crawlers', and, of course, a whole
side dedicated to 'Supper's Ready'. There's also a (rather pointless, I
must say) short snatchet of 'Musical Box', plus some of the newer material:
'Squonk', 'Dance On A Volcano', 'Robbery, Assault And Battery' and 'Los
Endos' are all from Trick Of The Tail, and, thank God, there's only
one number from Wind And Wuthering ('Afterglow', a bombastic Banks
tune which isn't the worse thing about that album, but it's close).
The new material is all performed by-the-book, with Collins and the rest
of the band emulating the studio sound to a near-perfect similarity (except
for an unreasonable, but short drum solo on 'Volcano'). Now the old material
is what might cause some eyebrows to be raised. Collins bravely struggles
along with old Gabriel material, and he's definitively successful on some
of the more bombastic numbers ('Firth Of Fifth' goes off splendidly, and
even Banks' synth substitution of Gabriel's beautiful flute part isn't
able to spoil the picture), but that doesn't stop him from ruining 'Carpet
Crawlers' where he can't really cope with what is the main attraction of
the song - the harmonies, nor does it stop him from adding free-form and
usually poorly conceived improvisation to 'I Know What I Like' (which is,
moreover, transformed into a lengthy stupid jam in the second part). I
wouldn't really know about 'Supper's Ready', because a detailed comparison
of the two versions is a lengthy procedure which I just wouldn't to get
myself involved into; sounds okay to me, though. And, anyway, these guys
were pretty good on stage. So, whatever. If you have nothing against Phil's
Gabriel imitations, you might as well grab this one. But be sure to get
the original versions first: those are the classics, and this one's a slightly
more lame imitation. Nothin' else.
Los endos. Here begin your ideas
Your worthy comments:
<khibler@us.ibm.com> (08.06.99)
George, the drummer for the Seconds Out concert which I saw in Pittsburgh was a fellow named Chester Thompson. Your are correct in that he was a very good musician. At times in the show Phil joined him at a second drum set. This concert featured some really well done special effects which made some of the longer material such as 'Supper's Ready' stay interesting in spite of its length. You are right on that Phil spent of lot of time trying to tell jokes and act quirky in imitation of Gabriel. All in all though, one of the more entertaining shows which I saw in this timeframe. Thanks for your reviews. Keith
Richard C. Dickison <dickison@us.ibm.com> (09.06.99)
That's what the guys name was, Chester Thompson and Bill Bruford played
on some of the other songs.
The thing was that in my mind Phil was by and large as good a drummer as
these guys on stage.
He really did not need those mechanical drum machines till later on when
he got older.
Then he would layer them as if he were actually playing the instruments
themselves and not like a crutch for lack of real drummer, sort of like
when a great guitarist uses effects to make things interesting but not
to hide lack of talent.
I really believe the most lacking musician in Genesis was Tony, he drug
the others down because the synths were made so prominent in most of the
recordings. Of course then Phil started trying to sing, and things got
pretty hateful. No wonder Steve left.
Michael Kozlowski <MPKooool@aol.com> (10.08.99)
Not to be picky or anything, but I'd just like to point out that I think the best song on S.O. is 'The Musical Box' (closing section) because they improve it the most. I think this for two main reasons. 1. Phil's vocals just come out sounding more energetic and passionate, and 2. They do a great job of editing here, leaving out the unnecessary first 7 some-odd minutes! Come to think of it, I think they do an even better job of it on The Way We Walk Volume 2 - The Longs, as part of the 'Old Medley'.
Rich Bunnell <taosterman@yahoo.com> (08.06.2000)
High-eightish or low-nineish for me. It's interesting seeing what is essentially Steve Hackett's last performance with the band (or last tour, at least) and Collins does a really good job of handling Gabriel's vocals. Plus, the song selection is awesome!!!! "Squonk"? "The Carpet Crawlers"? "Supper's Ready"? I'm in aural heaven! It's also sort of ironic that the Trick Of The Tail songs on here actually sound a lot cleaner and more well-produced than on the actual album, but I guess that says something for the band as a live band.
John McFerrin <stoo@imsa.edu> (13.07.2000)
Grr, and I had such high hopes. The playing is decent enough, of course,
but Phil just ruins the older stuff for me. There are far too many lines
that he sings _normally_ that shouldn't be (there is only ONE correct way
to sing "RAEL IMPERIAL AEROSOL KID"). I don't here any of the
necessary emotional screaming at the end of 'Supper's Ready', or the 'war
cry' in part III of said song ("waiting for battle"), or ...
ugh, there's too much to list.
Good songs, of course, and the recent stuff still sounds fine (how could
'Squonk' ever be a bad song?) but really ... I'll be very kind and give
it a 10/15.
Ted Goodwin <Ftg3plus4@cs.com> (25.08.2000)
This isn't a bad live album at all but almost every track on it makes
me wish I was listening to the original version of the song instead. On
the Genesis live albums I've heard (the first 3) the live versions don't
have what it takes to justify their existence alongside the originals.
The main point of this album, of course, was to prove that Phil could handle
the Pete material. So can he? Well, yes and no. I don't think Phil's voice
is the main issue; it doesn't strike me as lacking that much. It's more
of a personality thing. Phil is developing his own persona rather than
trying to duplicate Pete's, and I can't really blame him. As a result Phil
does more not-trying-to-sing-it-just-like-Pete-would than he really needs
to. He has enough of a voice that there was probably no reason he couldn't
have given lines like "waiting for battle" and "RAEL IMPERIAL
(etc.)" more appropriate treatment. (I personally don't have a problem
with Phil's singing the RAEL line normally, even though it isn't THE CORRECT
way.) The bottom line is that Phil's effectiveness at handling the Pete-era
songs varies -- not just from song to song but often from line to line.
Having the GENESIS ARCHIVES 1967-75, we can now hear Pete's own
live versions of most of these tracks. I've only heard parts of the ARCHIVES
(having passed them by in favor of a 12-track promo sampler taken therefrom),
but I have to say this: If I knew nothing about Genesis other than having
heard the Pete & Phil live versions of "Supper's Ready" &
"I Know What I Like", I would say Phil was easily the better
singer. More specific observations: (1) Pete's live version of "I
Know What I Like" is really obnoxious on the spoken parts and not
very satisfactory otherwise. I don't mind the "lengthy stupid jam"
on Phil's version, but I'd like it better if it were more of a jam and
less of a name-that-tune-in-six-notes medley of unrelated Genesis song
parts. (2) Phil pulls off "Guaranteed Eternal Sanctuary Man"
live much more smoothly than Pete, who (having the lower voice of the two)
strains badly at its high parts. (3) "Willow Farm" is a we-can't-really-pull-this-off-live
mess in the hands of both singers, though Pete at least has the advantage
having of another singer (Phil) to back him up. (4) What's so wrong with
Phil's version of "Carpet Crawlers"? (I refuse to use the "alternate"
title of "Carpet Crawl".) Pete's live version is still preferable,
if only because it doesn't have the intro part chopped off; but this is
one of those "pretty" songs that works as well, if not better,
with Phil's voice. (But what's with Phil overdubbing harmonies on a "live"
album? That's sure what it sounds like, anyway. I think he does it, less
blatantly, on "Cinema Show" too. For LAME, dudes!)
Year Of Release: 1978
Record rating = 6
Overall rating = 9
A country-western album full of Banksynths. Don't ask me whether
that's possible. I just can't think of any other description.
Best song: SNOWBOUND
Humorous album title that shows us the guys really could take a laugh
if they wanted to very hard, but that's not really saying much. Their first
album as a 'power pop trio', with no Steve Hackett for miles around. However,
considering the amount of work he did on the preceding three studio albums,
this eventually doesn't mean a damn thing. And that's exactly the thing
that makes me wonder. The record is commonly described as 'the beginning
of a new Genesis', the Collins-dominated, pop-oriented Genesis. It is generally
expected that prog rock fans are to despise this record (and all the following),
while at the same time they're expected to worship Wind And Wuthering
(and all the preceding). To my ears, however, And Then... does not
sound at all different from the first two post-Gabriel records. The absence
of Hackett doesn't mean a damn thing (I think I already said that a couple
of lines above, but repetitio est mater studiorum, you know), because
the sound is still dominated by Banksynth and Collins' drum sound, with
an occasional acoustic (sometimes even electric!) guitar from Master Mike.
The songs are still long - well, not 'Supper's Ready'-long and not even
'The Musical Box'-long, but long nevertheless (and there's quite a lot
of 'em, too - yet another album that doesn't really deserve not to fit
on one side of a tape). And the lyrics are still as pretentious as hell
- preachy and pathetic, that is. This, in fact, is the one really really
serious flaw that makes me hate post-Gabriel Genesis - neither Banks nor
Rutherford were ever able to capture that groovy Gabriel vibe (and I don't
even mention Phil's exercises in lyrics-making).
So in general, as you see, there were almost no changes that could be noticed
on this here record. Moreover, there's even one big plus on it. Guess what
- the songs are slightly more listenable than on Wind. First of
all, there are no pointless instrumentals (maybe that's what they mean
when they say that the former was a prog record and this one was a pop
record? Hardly a compliment to prog, I say), so you get to be distracted
from Banksynths at least by listening to a lot of Phil's singing. Second,
there are some really inspired Rutherford compositions - like the generic,
but charming ballad 'Snowbound' (about a snowman? huh!), or the Wild West
anthem 'Deep In The Motherlode' which sounds a little like a slowed-down
version of 'Eleventh Earl Of Mar', and even his minor efforts are interesting
('Say It's Alright Joe', with an ultra-tender Collins vocal). Meanwhile,
our old pal Tony gets yet another of his seven-minute ravings ('Burning
Rope'), and, while it's infatuatingly boring, it isn't nasty, at least.
It seems to me that he was always hoping to get a personal analog of 'Firth
Of Fifth', and this is probably the closest he ever got to a reminiscence
of that truly timeless epic. The band even emulates the kind of
sound Hackett used for his solo in the middle of 'Firth' (but don't ask
me whether it's some more of Tony's wizardry or if it's just Rutherford
expropriating Steve's pedal). The lyrics are trite, of course, but the
effort is at least respectable. And 'Undertow' even sounds Beatlish in
parts - imagine that, a Tony Banks composition sounding Beatlish. What
an accomplishment for the old geezer.
Maybe it's just my personal impression, but I'd say this album is better
simply because of the fact that, instead of wanking all over the place
and piling layer upon layer of pointless synth backgrounds, what they mostly
do here is feed on past successes and rip off the early classics. Hey hey,
what could they do? 'Scenes From A Night's Dream' reminds me of 'Robbery,
Assault And Battery'; the hit 'Follow You Follow Me', quite nice by itself,
doesn't remind me of anything particular, but anyway, I've just made a
statement and I'm not gonna re-write it. This does sound closer
to classic Genesis than Wind & Wuthering does. However, even
with all those compliments I still won't give it more than a 6. For reasons
I probably don't need to stress here at all.
It's also very funny that the album often refers to the western themes.
Well, at least thrice: 'Deep In The Motherlode' and 'Ballad Of Big' are
all drunken cowboy ditties, and hey, have you taken a good look at the
album cover? Who are those dudes sitting in the middle of a prairie at
sunset? Do they look familiar? Not really, but I wish that guy on the left'd
lift his hat a little...
Follow you follow me, mail your ideas
Your worthy comments:
Ben Greenstein <bgreenstein@nctimes.net> (16.04.2000)
What a dip in songwriting! They barely manage to plod along here, and every song sounds the same. Bummer, because the previous two (or for that matter, the previous five) studio albums were fantastic. It's not even the keyboard that bugs me (come to think of it, why is every music fan so rabidly anti-keyboard?), but it IS the lack of guitar. And memorable melodies. But even the lesser songs are at least entertaining, and "Undertow" is one of the greatest songs ever written. Hit single is good, too. A six.
Year Of Release: 1980
Record rating = 6
Overall rating = 9
I don't think it's pop. I don't think it's prog. I don't think it's
too good, either. Buy it out of curiosity.
Best song: ....... ....... ........ anyway, why do I have
to chose best songs all the time? Oh, allright. It must be DUKE'S
END
Ah! Now this is already different! They've entered the Eighties,
see, and the album really ushered in Eighties synth-pop like a swarm of
locusts. You might expect it to be detestable. Strange enough, it isn't,
for reasons I'm still not able to determine. I guess it's mainly because
Genesis were the forefathers of the genre. And you know how it goes with
talented forefathers: even if the idea in general turns out to be moronic,
they're still able to make the best of it. Europop is a miserable genre,
for instance, but ABBA, who originated it, was a great band. Led Zeppelin
generated heavy metal, a genre I hate totally and utterly, but them? Them
did it good, I say! Same goes for Genesis.
Not that the record is all pure synth pop, mind you. The main technical
differences from the preceding record are primarily in that Collins, having
solved his marriage problems, got finally involved into the recording and
songwriting process to an extremely important extent. The album even has
his first solo writing credit ('Misunderstanding'), and lots of technical
work were done purely by the man - including the band's first [ab]use of
drum machines. Sweetening up the pill, I might say that Phil's hands do
a lot of drumming, too, and it's quite solid. So this is really the first
album which we can dub a 'Collins-led' album.
Did it make any real difference? Not too much. They say it's a 'pop' album.
Well, the pop element is mostly relegated to a couple hit singles (the
album, in fact, was their first huge commercial success), like the above-mentioned
'Misunderstanding' or 'Turn It On Again'. These are bouncy, rhythmic ditties,
borrowing heavily from disco rhythms (specially the second one), with rather
straightforward lyrics (specially the first one - Phil wasn't much known
for writing non-love songs). They're not horrid, but they're certainly
pop, no doubt about that. Mind you, though, that these are not the first
occurrences of 'pop' on a Genesis record. (See 'I Know What I Like' for
further reference.) Some moments in 'Heathaze' or 'Please Don't Ask' could
be qualified as 'pop', too, but the songs in general are way too complex
and untrivial to follow the standard.
But the other songs? Are they pop? The album is a conceptual one, built
around a central character titled 'duke' and seemingly telling us something
about his journeys (the instrumental 'Duke's Travels'). What duke is meant
is beyond me - I must read a book some day. All I know is he's married,
'cause there's a song called 'Duchess', and that he's deceived, 'cause
there's a song called 'Duke's End'. Seeing as the main theme of 'Duke's
End' is really nothing more but a reprise of the introductory instrumental
section of the album opener 'Behind The Lines', one might suggest that
the album begins with his birth and ends with his death. That's all right
by me. I just hope the caricature of a fat old person dressed in green
on the album cover doesn't turn out to be the duke itself. Ehn...
Don't think you'll get to know anything about the duke, of course. The
lyrics here are mostly standard Banks hogwash, the likes of which we've
come to 'enjoy' on Wind & Wuthering and And Then... And
the music? Well, it's still mostly Banksynths, but somehow they aren't
as nauseating here. Maybe it's because some of the songs are fast ('Duke's
End'). Maybe it's because the record has more guitars on it than any Genesis
record since Selling England (no kidding). Maybe it's because Tony
kindly switches to piano from time to time. I dunno. The melodies themselves
aren't that interesting, though, relying mostly on the same chords and
patterns as the ones on the previous record. And Phil's singing is slowly
starting to get on my nerves. Moreover, I'm fairly disappointed with Rutherford:
his main solo composition on here ('Man Of Our Times') is every bit as
pedestrian as Banks' efforts. It does borrow the chorus from 'Your Own
Special Way', but who needs it? Not me. Certainly not me. Get on with it.
All said, I just wanted to shatter the myth about early Eighties' Genesis
being primarily 'pop' music. To me, it seems more like 'prog' disguised
as 'pop' - which certainly contributed to the sales. And of course, rhetoric
phrases like 'there are really two entirely different bands both named
Genesis' are totally meaningless. You don't go about saying 'there were
two entirely different bands both named The Beatles', now do you? (Come
to think of it, if we do say that there were two Geneses, I can't even
imagine how many Beatles we'd have to postulate!)
Please don't ask, just mail your ideas
Your worthy comments:
Cole <bozmn@intercom.net> (16.11.99)
Inexplicably, my favorite Genesis album. I don't like the 10 minutes of jamming at the end, but there's something about the other 9 songs on here that just grab me. Maybe it's Tony Banks' cheesy synthesizer soundscaping. Anyway, for those people who blame Phil Collins for "ruining" Genesis: go listen to a Mike + the Mechanics album (I have: Living Years), then try to say it's all Phil's fault. By the way, I think the only obvious drum machine use is on "Duchess".
Rich Bunnell <cbunnell@ix.netcom.com> (05.12.99)
This one's sort of boring. It starts out okay and has a few good songs sprinkled around, but that's the thing; the songs are only okay. Collins was very obviously dominating, and it shows in unoriginal MOR AOR like "Misunderstanding"(though I don't spew nearly as much venom towards the song as Ben Greenstein constantly does) and "Turn It On Again." That said, the album is a very nice listen but the problem is that unlike a few of the other Collins-led records, I feel like I'm listening to solo Collins. And trust me, considering the quality of his No Jacket Required album, that is NOT a good thing. I give this a 5 out of 10.
Richard C. Dickison <rdick@mag.com> (14.12.99)
Just a small note here, If you look you will see that Phil(the pill)Collins
was helping Peter Gabriel out with his third album at this time and geee
look at the drum machines being used here. Also you will note that Phil
was running to do his first solo album too. More electronics are coming
into the picture.
Of course they have not taken over quite yet but then Phil had not either.
Anyway I will not put Phil down for being a bad drummer but he was not
that creative on other instruments and as you see him taking over the band
you see less progressive (instrument heavy music) and more electronic.
hmmmmmm. I wonder if the next album will be full of drum machines. You
know it will be.
Bob <Trfesok@aol.com> (08.02.2000)
The beginning of the end for prog fans, with the horrible, horrible,
horrible "Misunderstanding." Not because it's a pop song, but
because it's a very BAD pop song! Boring, dull, repetitive with stupid
lyrics to boot. The album's low point -- unfortunately, it's commercial
success gave more clout to Collins.
But most of the rest of the songs are decent and creative as far as pop
goes, like "Behind the Lines, 'Duchess," "Guide Vocal",
"Turn it On Again". I like "Heathaze", too, but something
bothers me about including the word "whereas" in a song on a
rock album. And "Alone Tonight" proves that Mike is as adept
at writing touching ballads as Phil, without as yet descending into insipidity.
It occurs to me that Hackett could have really added something to that
song. You point out that there wasn't enough of him when he was in the
band, but his presence added something very distinctive to Genesis' sound
which was not replaced by Mike's generic lead guitar.
"Dukes Travels" and "Duke's End" find the group trying
to have it both ways, trying include prog in the middle of their pop pieces.
But the piece is really boring when compared with stuff like "Supper's
Ready or "Los Endos". By the way, there is no concept behind
Duke -- that was the working title for the group-composed pieces.
The guy on the cover is some French comic book character named Albert.
Ben Greenstein <bgreenstein@nctimes.net> (16.04.2000)
God dammit! This was supposed to be a fantastic moody concept album about modern romance with all those cool Banksynths that I usually love, but it's just a BORING collection of pedestrian pop songs. "Misunderstanding" just may be the worst song ever recorded - well, maybe not the worst, but the one that I hate the most, at any rate. "Duchess" isn't too good either, a shame because it starts out really well. I can't even get into "Behind The Lines" - it's catchy and kind of cool, but so damn poppy that I just want to reach into my CD player and steal the prozac that Rutheford MUST have been taking. Still, I love "Turn It On Again" and "Man Of Our Times," it's only the other ten songs that blow.
Jeffrey A Morton <whitesnake5@juno.com> (14.06.2000)
I've been trying to figure out some sort of "theme" for this album since I got it. I have decided in recent days that it is the story of Phil Collins. Almost every song on the record refers to his divorce and subsequent emotional trauma. I believe (someone will correct me I'm sure) that Collins wrote most of the lyrics on this album, and the ones that Banks and Rutheford pened were indirect references to their balding, diminutive, band member...
Year Of Release: 1981
Record rating = 7
Overall rating = 10
This is the kind of 'good music for dancing that one need not be
ashamed of'. Not boring, either.
Best song: DODO/LURKER
Well, take my words back! This IS pop music! Genesis DID become a pop
band after all, didn't they? Maybe my main dissatisfaction with the standard
notions about Eighties' Genesis was that they did not take into view the
gradual metamorphoses of Genesis. This is presumably the first album
where the 'dance pop' element takes over and becomes the dominant on the
record, due to Collins falling more and more in love with sequencers and
drum machines. The only weak traces of mid-Seventies Genesis can sometimes
be found in the lyrics, like in 'Dodo' which is a fair enough reminiscence
of 'Squonk'. Actually, the entire lyrics in general are a big step up from
Duke: while certainly not the kind of meaningless, but preachy
'confessions' that Banks used to pen in the past four or five years, they
are still a far cry from the average love song themes of, say, Fleetwood
Mac or anybody else in that epoch.
The music, as one might guess, is mostly based on drum machines and all
that other cherished early Eighties electronic sound. But hold your vomiting!
Unlike so many less talented bands, Genesis weren't really following the
fashion. Instead, they were setting the trends themselves - the album is
certainly experimental, and all the guys are trying so hard, attempting
to squeeze everything possible from these 'magic' gadgets, that it's really
fun to just stop and appreciate their puffing and panting. The drum machines
don't really sound annoying, and much of music still has a 'live' feeling
to it - more 'live' than, say, Paul McCartney's McCartney II or
Jethro Tull's A. Maybe that's just due to the fact that Banks was
an old and respected master of the synthesizer, so the reliance on modern
technologies doesn't take us so aback in this particular case. But one
mustn't forget that there's still quite a lot of guitar sound around, and,
what's more important, the record isn't made for the sake of experimentating,
like the two records mentioned above: the technologies are only there to
enhance the sound, not to replace the melody. Who wrote these melodies
is a serious question: most of the tracks are credited to all three members
of the band, and those tracks that are pure solo (each member gets one
composition of his own) are usually the worst of the lot regardless of
the author (excluding maybe 'Me And Sarah Jane'). Eventually the members
realized that themselves, so starting from their next album all the credits
are shared equally. But the current collaborations show that the guys could
really produce a good tune when they wanted to, and even their grooves
are entertaining. Take the most controversial song on the whole record,
for instance, the one called 'Who Dunnit?' Some view it as an atrocious
example of pre-techno beat set to idiotic, mindless lyrics ('was it you
or was it me/was it he or was it she/was it A or was it B/or was it X or
Z/who dunnit?' and the following endless, repetitive 'we know we know we
know we know we know we know...') Others, however, regard it as a little
technohumor while grooving in the studio. Guess what camp I am in. Of course,
I don't really enjoy the song (only a computer descendant could
enjoy it), but at least I can listen to it with interest now and then.
Maybe just as a historical curiosity. Maybe for some other reason I can't
identify. But it has something cool about it.
Actually, the first two thirds of the album are mostly cool. The title
track bounces and bops around so that you can't help being involved somehow,
and the melody is strong, whatever you may say about the arrangements.
'No Reply At All' is a dang strange tune, with alternating happy and sad
lines; it's at least memorable. 'Me And Sarah Jane' is the first Banks
solo composition in a totally pop style and probably one of his best known
(but man, are the lyrics stupid on that one!) My favourite, though, is
the seven-minute 'Dodo/Lurker', the closest thing to a 'prog' number, although
this is primarily due to the lyrics: like I said, they strongly remind
me of 'Squonk' (with the difference that 'Squonk' is a mythical animal
and 'Dodo', er, a half-mythical one. If it's the Lewis Carroll Dodo
Bird they mean, of course).
Unfortunately, the record ends on a rather dull note, with two or three
unmemorable numbers; but that shouldn't detract you from the fact that
this is a record really worth having. First, it has a lot of historical
importance - for pop music in general and Genesis in particular. Second,
the songs are more often enjoyable than not. Third, cool post-impressionistic
album cover! Fourth, good singing from Phil, he tries out more styles than
ever before. Fifth, if you've already bought Wind And Wuthering,
you have no excuse for not buying this one cuz it's better.
No reply at all! Where are your ideas?
Your worthy comments:
Ben Greenstein <bgreenstein@nctimes.net> (29.11.99)
It's wierd that some fans praise this album while bashing Invisible Touch - if you ask me, the latter album has a much stronger sense of melody and is lacking any blatantly awful tunes, which this album has several of. Don't get me wrong - I still think it's an okay record, but it's really a shame that all of the songs aren't as fabultastic as "Abacab" and "Dodo/Lurker". Both of those are groovy, atmospheric, and easy to shake your rump to, but the rest of the material doesn't measure up, sounding too much like solo Phil Collins. The poppy tunes that I like are "No Reply At All" (which gains appeal with that awesome midsection) and "Me And Sarah Jane" (which is actually quite prog-rock, so far as I'm concerned). I considered giving the album a seven, but the hit "Man On The Corner" is just so awful that I had to lower that to a six.
Ben Greenstein <bgreenstein@nctimes.net> (31.12.99)
Ohh - never mind my previous comment. This deserves an eight or nine! "Keep It Dark" has become one of my all-time faves, and the rest of the album is pretty good, too. The first five numbers really outshow the rest - however, except for "Man On The Corner," none of the later songs are TOO bad. I give it an eight.
Bob <Trfesok@aol.com> (08.02.2000)
After reading your review, I do appreciate the fact that the band was experimenting. Lyrically, the group compositions fall flat -- the solo compositions actually have better words. Mike's "Like it Or not" continues the angst of "Alone Tonight" from the previous album, "Me and Sarah Jane" revisits the unusual rhythms of "Evidence of autumn" (a Duke outtake on Three Sides Live) and "Man on the Corner" is at least not as obnoxious as "Misunderstanding." However, the group has now starting rewriting Collins solo tunes into slightly more complicated Genesis tunes -- "No Reply at All" is a rip-off from "I Missed Again," with those horns sounding totally out of place. AAargh!
Ben Greenstein <bgreenstein@nctimes.net> (16.04.2000)
Strike my previous two comments, this is one of my fave albums of all
time. I give it a ten, even though I still hate most of the second side.
Couldn't they have just reworked the good songs from Duke?
P.S. According to my spell check, "Ababa" is a word.
John McFerrin <stoo@imsa.edu> (07.05.2000)
Ah, thank goodness for ftp servers ...
Anyways, I decided it wouldn't hurt me to try out some early 80's 'pop'
Genesis. And strange enough, I don't mind this album much at all. Some
of the numbers aren't particularly great ('No Reply at All' is too cheezy
for my tastes, 'Me and Sarah Jane' is only so-so, and the last two tracks
refuse to stick in my brain) but the rest is very solid. The title track
is enjoyable as hell, 'Dodo' is a cool prog number done in the 80's style,
'Who Dunnit' is hilarious and ... well, I'm sure Ben will want to jump
through his computer screen and strangle me, but I love 'Man on the Corner',
I'm serious. Yes, the arrangement is a little dumb and the melody slightly
obvious, but the hooks are aplenty, and it's certainly better than almost
anything I hear on the radio today.
All in all ... ehn, a mid 7.
Rich Bunnell <taosterman@yahoo.com> (03.07.2000)
I don't see how the title is a pun on a "normal song structure."
It's more normal than most, but how many completely normal pop songs go
verse-chorus-verse-bridge-verse-chorus? Why isn't there a chorus before
the bridge? Am I just completely misinterpreting the title altogether?
I guess that "Ababcb" wouldn't work as a title so they had to
compromise.
Anyway, I think that this album is really good-- Genesis were at their
all-time pop high in the early '80s, having learned not to be bland from
their late-'70s pop albums and not yet too overproduced and soulless like
what would come later. Obviously the highlights are the title track (what
a cool song!) and "Dodo/Lurker," but I'm also really fond of
"No Reply At All"(who cares about the horns?) and "Keep
It Dark," which is like an early mechanical version of XTC's "Stupidly
Happy"(a superior song, but the Genesis one is still very good). "Man
On The Corner" is simplistic, but not in a really bad "Misunderstanding"/"One
More Night" way, more of a creepy, brooding way that really works
with me. Plus, I've never heard it on the radio, which always helps.
The downers are "Another Record," which loses many points for
not building on that ominous groove that joins the song about 45 seconds
in and choosing instead to rely on a weak chorus with that cheesy thin
"What's Love Got To Do With It" harmonica which was the worst
instrument in the '80s, and "Who Dunnit?" which I don't feel
like "sitting down and having a good laugh at" because it's annoying
and boring and idiotic. Why did the band always shove a crappy joke song
right in the middle of their really good early '80s albums just to make
sure it wasn't listenable the whole way through? Yeah, the other song I'm
talking about is "Illegal Alien," WANNA MAKE SOMETHING OF IT?????
The rating is an 8. It's not as cool and atmospheric as the following album
(hence the lower grade), but it gains points for being more interesting
and diverse. Plus, for pop music, this is definitely pretty experimental.
Jon Morse <jon@sitestar.net> (15.12.2000)
Abacab actually leaves me sort of flat, not on its own merit, but because for whatever reason (Chester Thompson replacing drum machines, perhaps?) the versions of the tracks from this album on Three Sides Live completely blow the studio versions away. First, you have the "full" version of "Abacab" to play with, rather than a mix which fades out before the driving conclusion. The studio version just seems to drift off into non-existence while the TSL rendition has more of a sense of purpose. Likewise, "Me and Sarah Jane" gets delivered with more feeling and power live. But, then, here I am commenting on an album you haven't reviewed (yet?)... on its own, Abacab is a nice little album, worth about an 8, but placed next to TSL, it can't help but suffer.
Year Of Release: 1983
Record rating = 8
Overall rating = 11
Finally, casting all ambitions aside, our favourite pop group releases
a pure pop album, resulting in a minor masterpiece.
Best song: THAT'S ALL
Drum machine sound greets you from the very beginning of the album on
'Mama', and you immediately get the uncomfy feeling that this is going
to be Abacab vol. 2 - synth/drum machine experimentation over clumsy
melodies and not less clumsy singing. Well then, wrong you are (actually,
I was wrong too, so that's a self-insult rather than anything else). The
album is a huge step up from Abacab. Well, not exactly huge if we
judge by the actual song quality, but huge, I'd say, in the mental sphere.
This album has no progressive ambitions at all. Sure, the lyrics are still
cleverer and more entertaining than Fleetwood Mac, but apart from that,
it's all fast, enjoyable, hummable pop. And you know what? They've finally
matured into writing catchy numbers - it took them about fifteen
years to do so, but you can't get away from the fact! Oh, I know this ain't
serious, but this ain't banal, either, and at least they're
not repeating themselves - the melodies are pretty original, and the hooks
are there, polished and shining like little gold doorhands. Just a good
pop album. Loads of bands were working in the same style by the time, but
Genesis were certainly ahead of everybody else simply because they were
more experienced. Yup, there's practically no audible guitar on this album,
and I doubt whether Phil ever really took up a drumstick, but Tony
has been tamed enough to refrain from overlong, pointless synth noodlings
a la Wind And Wuthering and mostly sticks to playing amusing
little passages (except for the nearly-instrumental 'Second Home By The
Sea' where the band takes a foolish decision to, er, 'jam' - I guess I
should call it a 'jam', even though it certainly ain't one in the real
sense of the word); the drum machines aren't annoying (in comparison,
the murky sequence on 'Keep It Dark' has always spoiled my feelings towards
that song), and the atmosphere is pleasant and inviting, with a slight
touch of humour and intelligence.
Out of the songs you probably know the hit 'That's All', and it is indeed
the damn funniest and most memorable tune on the album; but I could also
name 'Mama', a brilliant love song that Phil pulls off in his best, 'screaming'
manner, with some frightening 'ha-ha's on the way; the anti-anti-immigration
song 'Illegal Alien' with its almost nursery refrain; the consolative 'Taking
It All Too Hard' where they manage to hit those incredible notes (in the
refrain) that, combined with Phil's tone, give the song a unique feeling
of gentleness and passion (if you're wondering what the hell I'm talking
about, compare this with the refrain to 'No Reply At All': it's the same
impression); the Killer Anthem 'Just A Job To Do'; and the gorgeous ballad
'Silver Rainbow' (ooh, I love the line 'you won't know where you're coming
or you're going...'). All of these have solid melodies in them, and, like
I said, you can't deny the lyrics: even the love songs are really deep
and psychological. Maybe it had something to do with Phil's personal traumas
and experience (his recent divorce, etc.), but I really don't know much
about that period in their lives, so forgive me beforehand.
It has a few downsides, of course: a couple songs are below average, like
the closing boggy 'It's Gonna Get Better', typical optimistic filler to
close the album with; and the lengthy 'Home By The Sea/Second Home By The
Sea' has never managed to fascinate me. Also, if you suddenly take a foolish
decision to put this record on right after (or before) Foxtrot,
you'll get a nervous breakdown which is certainly bad for your health and
even worse for the development of your musical taste. Still, I insist
that if you listen to all of Genesis albums in chronological order, you
won't even notice the smooth transgression from the 1971-72 level onto
what they had metamorphosed into in a decade. And if you do that, trying
not to get guided entirely by the genre trappings (like, 'this is prog
and I like it', 'oh no, this is pop and I hate it', or vice versa, you
know), you might come to regard these early Eighties albums as high as
I do. Good work, boys! This is certainly their best since Trick Of The
Tail, and it shows how Phil's songwriting skills have matured at this
point.
That's all, now it's your turn
Your worthy comments:
Rich Bunnell <cbunnell@ix.netcom.com> (05.12.99)
For a while I was swooning over the later pop-era Genesis, not familiar with anything Peter Gabriel ever recorded besides So and Us, and thus I bought the three last Collins albums with one swipe of the arm. This one really didn't grab my attention until recently because it wasn't as shiny as Invisible Touch(which I -LOVED- on first listen), and that's because it actually sounds fairly different from the other Collins albums. It's still pop like the other ones, but the big overplayed hit "That's All" isn't horrible, and there're some really cool-sounding progressive pop songs in "Mama" and the "Home By The Sea" suite. This would be the ideal Collins Genesis album for me if Trick Of The Tail weren't better and if this album didn't contain the insipid piece of crap "Illegal Alien"(with a title that cool, why did they have to make it a stupid dopey-sounding ethnic parody which lasts five excruciating minutes!?). As it is, on a 1-10 scale this is a 9. I'd do a General Rating, but I still don't know what rating I'd assign to Genesis.
Bob <Trfesok@aol.com> (08.02.2000)
I actually disagree with one statement in your review -- that there
is no trace of the band's prog roots on this album. There is -- in "Second
Home by the Sea." A bad trace. Once again, it's like they were trying
to say to the old fans, "See! We've still got it!". When the
piece is totally dull, especially in concert.
Otherwise, it's more dull pop songs. Again, they morph a Collins song into
a "new" Genesis song - -this time, "In the Air Tonight"
becomes "Mama." And while there are no real horns on the album,
the synth horns on "Just a Job to Do" sound just as jarring as
the real thing did on "No Reply at All." I must admit that I,
too am sucked into "Taking it All too Hard," despite myself --
the lyrics are really affecting.
Ben Greenstein <bgreenstein@nctimes.net> (16.04.2000)
Cool pop music, but it's no Abacab. I could give this a seven. Best song is "Home By The Sea" suite, NOT because it's "prog," cuz it ain't. It's simply the best pop song the band has on here. "Mama" is cool too, and none of the numbers really stink, they're just a little thin. I don't know. Maybe I'm selling it short. Who cares?
Ted Goodwin <Ftg3plus4@cs.com> (08.05.2000)
One thing I've alway had against this album is that it contains EDITED
versions of "Mama" & "It's Gonna Get Better" --
the full-length versions were reserved for a 12" single. It was very
hard to tell just how "Mama" (which lost about 45 seconds) was
edited, but the edit of "Better" (which lost about a minute and
a half) is really lame -- a 5-minute song with only 1 verse? Blah! You
haven't heard this song until you've heard the full version. Unfortunately,
no one had the presence of mind (or monetary motivation, or whatever it
would have taken) to use the proper versions when the album came out on
CD, so they remain essentially "lost". (They'll probably show
up on Genesis Archive Vol. 2.)
P.S. It turns out that the unedited "Mama" and "It's Gonna
Get Better" do NOT appear on GENESIS ARCHIVE VOL. 2. (Nor are
they the most unexpected omissions.) Instead there is a live version of
the full "IGGB" (so why not just go ahead and have the studio
version??) and an uninteresting 11-minute "work in progress"
jam from which "Mama" was developed. Go figure. So the "true"
versions of these 2 songs remain vinyl-only.
John McFerrin <stoo@imsa.edu> (05.07.2000)
Wow. I must say, I was absolutely shocked at how good this album is.
Not that it's as good as the best of the group's prog stuff, of course,
but still...
Actually, y'know what, while I more or less like all of the numbers on
here, ultimately it's 'Mama' that does the trick for me. My goodness, Phil
actually sounds _talented_ when he's singing bitter love songs, and this
is as bitter and sad as it comes. I normally am annoyed beyond words by
Phil's voice (and I have to confess, I can't get myself to watch Tarzan
the movie because the soundtrack is almost all Phil singing - his overly
saccharine vocals make me want to wretch) but I LOVE the way he sounds
in this number.
Oh, and the 'Home by the Sea' suite is cool too. Plus, it's neat the way
the second part, while not being complex at all, still manages to suck
me in as much as it does. I'd give this a 9, and a _12_ overall.
Year Of Release: 1986
Record rating = 5
Overall rating = 8
Now who would think that there can be such a thing as a bad pure
pop album?
Best song: TONIGHT TONIGHT TONIGHT
Ugh. No doubt about it, this one's is a little too much pop.
First off, what happened to the lyrics? Genesis actually doing love
songs? 'Tonight Tonight Tonight'? 'Anything She Does'? Of course, Phil
was already used to doing love songs on his solo albums, but couldn't he
propose something better to the band that once was famous for telling tales
about Hermaphrodites and Salmacis or battles between humans and giant hogweeds?
And yeah, I'm perfectly aware of the fact that they began drifting towards
love thematics quite a while ago ('Your Own Special Way' on Wind And
Wuthering actually started it, didn't it?), but here this is all much
too obvious. Also, quite a lot of songs are trite, skeleton-less ditties
perfectly fit for the radio but certainly not fit for aging on anybody's
shelf. The title track, for instance, could have been done by just anybody
in the business, and considering the fact that Phil just isn't a
truly great singer, it would certainly be done better by just about anybody
else. Almost totally emotionless emotional song. Not very catchy, too.
And 'Land Of Confusion'? There is some kind of desperate vibe in
the verses, but it's the chorus that amply demonstrates the song's datedness
to us. 'This is the world we live in... O-O-OH... And these are the hands
we're given... O-O-OH...' Pop gospel? Gospel pop? Yairs.
Now wait, wait a minute, I don't really want to say this album blows it
entirely (like Clapton's August that was produced by same Collins
same year). There are enough hooks in the songs, and masterful hooks at
that, to pull it off and to be able to claim that the album does have substance
and isn't all just built around tracks pleasant to dance to and nothing
else. Thus, the lengthy 'Tonight Tonight Tonight', though certainly not
deserving to be nine minutes long (it's a pop song for Chrissake! What
were they trying to do - progressivize pop radio?), is a really clever
song that has to be listened to several times in order to be appreciated.
'In Too Deep' is kinda touching, and 'Anything She Does' is at least fast,
but not in a techno way or something.
The major point of controversy about the album is the ten-minute epic 'Domino',
obviously the album's piece de resistance. Some view it as just
another tedious and boring pop song, while others praise it as the only
slight glimpse of 'progressivism' due to its length and more or less 'serious',
sometimes even apocalyptic, lyrical content. Not to mention that it's multi-part,
building from a slow, minor key shuffle to a fast-paced, discoish beaty
song featuring all kinds of tricky synth riffs and cool drum parts. Personally,
I think it's okay: not as bad as a generic Banks fiesta, but certainly
not as good as the average Gabriel marathon. Again, it might just be due
to Phil's unimpressive singing, but more probable is the issue of lack
of diversity in the arrangements: same old stuff, same old stuff from the
boys again. 'Mama' said it all much better and much shorter. Finally,
the closing instrumental 'The Brazilian', Banks' showcase, is also viewed
by many as a good prog instrumental, and indeed it's not uninteresting,
being based on a solid synth riff instead of the usual diffluent chord
sequences. But no matter what kind of good words I might be saying about
the material, it is still much too generic to be really enjoyed. If anything,
these guys were no longer producing a revolution - when drum machines,
poppy synths and power pop itself were still fresh and new, they did sound
invigorating and, well, I can fully justify their turning away from progressive
style at the time (at least they evaded degenerating into something like
Asia, which they were bound to degenerate into otherwise). Genesis
marked the peak of that. But here, well, they're mostly recycling older
successes, if not worse. I'll be the first to admit that Collins did develop
a good songwriting style by the time. But. much as I like hooks and catchy
choruses, these things ain't everything - you gotta have substance
as well. I see little substance in Invisible Touch, if you don't
consider Banksynth noodlings substance, of course.
Oh! Needless to say, the album made them even bigger superstars than they
were by the time. Half or more of the compositions were radio favourites,
so you probably heard the entire album without buying it. Gee, but time
does correct the mistakes, doesn't it?
Tonight, tonight, tonight, mail your ideas!
Your worthy comments:
Rich Bunnell <cbunnell@ix.netcom.com> (24.08.99)
From what I understand, Genesis fans simply disregard this album, and
pretty much everything after it—- or maybe that’s just everything after
1980. I’d give this one a 6, or maybe even the 5 which you gave it, because
it’s all just -too- shimmery and poppy. I mean, I like pop music, and I
don’t really think I actually listen to much which could be truly called
"experimental," but this is pop to the furthest degree!
I do like "Tonight, Tonight, Tonight" in spite of that since
it’s nice and long and full and stuff, and "Land Of Confusion"
is my favorite of the band’s really late work. I mean, even if you hate
the song for being too cheesy with all of its "Ohhhhhhh!" call-and-response
vocals, you’ve gotta love that video! Then again, knowing you, a fan of
classic rock, you probably despise the video age, as do I for the most
part—-Gah, once again I’m off the subject.
"Domino" and "Throwing It All Away" are both okay,
but the former is a bit too ponderous to be a pop song at the same time,
and I’ve heard the latter on the radio too much. I don’t care at all for
the title track—- I used to love it but I realized how much it resembles
an uptempo Phil Collins solo song. And "In Too Deep" is wimpy.
Yeah, a 5. Or a 5.5. Or whatever. Tape the 4 or so good songs, then you're
free to use the actual CD as a coaster or frisbee.
P.S. Hey, as much as I think "Land Of Confusion" is really darned
catchy, does anyone else find the lyric "I won't be coming home tonight,
my generation will put it right!" as funny as I do? What, are all
of the pudgy, balding 40-year-olds gonna stage some sort of political revolution?
Oooh, Phil be tough.
Nick Karn <glassmoondt@yahoo.com> (19.10.99)
I haven't heard any Peter Gabriel-era records from this band... shame
on me, I confess!! I also have to admit that this album is pretty good,
despite its' overly commercial and dated 1986 keyboard sound (I love keyboards
as much as the next progressive fan, but the sound here is laughable).
The melodies are highly irresistible or at least fun at minimum, though,
so the title track and "Land Of Confusion" (great sing-along
track with a CLASSIC video) are top highlights. The former does in fact
sound like Collins' solo career a bit, but the melody is too great for
me to toss the song off. "In Too Deep" is a real bore of a sappy
ballad, though... now that's taking the solo Collins influence a bit too
far, although "Throwing It All Away" is sappy in a good way -
certainly not quality Paul McCartney sap but still solid. As for "Tonight,
Tonight, Tonight", it's interesting, but the solo section just sounds
somewhat aimless and is the most obvious example of how the dated sound
here just gets to me, but "The Brazilian" is an intriguing closing
instrumental example of how the dated sound actually works in their favor
(now there's another contradiction!), while "Anything She Does"
is musically exciting but doesn't do too much.
Oh!! I've gone through this whole review without mentioning my absolute
favorite here - the tour-de-force of this album, one of the few hints of
high quality progressive rock here, "Domino". The two sections
of this song work wonders together and the overall effect is breathtaking.
Overall, this early chapter of another incarnation of Genesis is very good
but inconsistent, so I give it a 7.
Bob <Trfesok@aol.com> (08.02.2000)
Actually, I enjoy this one more than the last. Yes, they caught my prog-rock ears with "Domino" and with, to a lesser extent, "The Brazilian." These have faint echoes of the glory days. But yet continued dullness with the endless "Tonight, Tonight, Tonight," the wimpy "Throwing it All Away" and the overproduced title track. And yet MORE rewrites of Collins' solo tunes -"Against All Odds" becomes the nap-inducing "In Too Deep." And "Sussudio" becomes "Land of Confusion", but in this case, this is a big improvement, thanks to some intelligent lyrics by Mike.
Ben Greenstein <bgreenstein@nctimes.net> (16.04.2000)
Am I crazy? This is a fine album. It sounds EXACTLY like the previous one, but with more hit singles and a more polished sound. The poppiness of it all is a little grating, yes, but they're such masterful pop songs, and like him or not, Phil Collins is a really creative drummer who does a lot of interesting things with the electronic production. Best songs are "Land Of Confusion" and "Tonight Tonight Tonight," but I also really enjoy (gasp!) the title track and "Anything She Does." I KNOW they're blatant pop, but they're GOOD blatant pop. Everyone needs to get over their hatred of this album and admit it deserves at least a six. Maybe a seven. I could almost give it an eight!
<Dan.Miller@phs.com> (12.08.2000)
It's a damn shame that the two best songs were never even included on the album: "Do The Neurotic" and "Feeding the Fire." The former starts with some Depeche Mode keyboard noodles but kicks into a captivating instrumental. The latter is an out-and-out rocker with real drums! Believe it! The solution here would have been to purge "Anything She Does" and "In Too Deep" (in my opinion the two worst songs Genesis ever committed to record - cheesily bland slush of pop pap at the time unheard of in a Genesis or even Collins album. Why Banks and Rutherford let these two slip by their bullshit detectors, and why Genesis fans would rate "Robbery Assault and Battery" [see ToTT commentary] as the worst Genesis song is absolutely beyond me. "Whodunnit?" is "A Day in the Life" next to those two floaters ... sorry.) and throw in these two unreleased gems (I have them on an import "Land of Confusion" CD-single. "Feeding the Fire" was available originally as the B-side of the "Land of Confusion" 45). They certainly would have brought an edge and aggression to an album that was already overly sweetened by the tolerable title track and "Throwing It All Away." "Tonight, Tonight, Tonight" is great, but I agree that dated synthetic belches and farts bog it down, and most of the Domino duo is brilliant, as is the aforementioned "Land of Confusion." Mike's guitar licks in "The Brazilian" show that nearly ten years after Steve Hackett's departure, the latter continued to have a strong influence on the Mechanic. All in all, more skins and strings could have worked some wonders. As such I consider it the lowest-quality post-Gabriel Genesis offering, and yes, that includes Calling All Stations - for which I'd like to offer my 2 cents later.
Year Of Release: 1991
Record rating = 4
Overall rating = 7
More like, you know, a Phil Collins solo album. Why he had to stick
the 'Genesis' moniker on it is beyond me.
Best song: I CAN'T DANCE
Maybe good old Phil was just lending his old pals Tony and Mike a helping
hand to gain some easy bucks? Whatever. After a five year break, when all
chances of seeing Genesis on the road again seemed to be more or less equal
to chances of John Lennon coming down from the sky and joining forces with,
say, Peter Gabriel for instance, Phil suddenly changed his mind and decided
he wanted to keep the band after all. The album, as everybody knows, was
yet another huge success for the pop Genesis, yielding loads of hit singles,
top rank videos and stuff like that. In retrospect, though, the whole affair
stinks badly, and, frankly speaking, it's really hard to get into
the album, if you haven't taken a Collins-addiction course beforehand.
First of all, since they'd already stepped into the CD age, the album is
deadly long - more than seventy minutes, which means that, good or bad
the song, it's bound to drag for ages until it sucks your brains out. Needless
to say, the worse the song is, the longer it usually drags: the totally
faceless pop rocker 'Driving The Last Spike', for instance, drives me so
much outa my mind that I don't even notice when it finally ceases to terrorize
me. Second, like I said, this is more of a Phil Collins solo album, which
means that you'd better forget your love for specific musical instruments;
the arrangements are incredibly messy and unentertaining, cuz the only
accent is placed on the beat (in the fast songs) and the mood (in the slow
ones). I can't even complain about Banksynths on here - they're so in the
background, together with the guitars, that you hardly ever notice them.
Oh, beg your pardon, ladies and gentlemen. Lovers of 'prog Genesis', please
pay attention to the closing track: 'Fading Lights'. It's also long like
everything else, but this time it's a special progressive length, with
some large extended noodlings by Tony and company. If you're the kind of
dude who likes Invisible Touch because it has 'Domino' on it, you'll
certainly enjoy 'Fading Lights' as well. Funny, isn't it? Even if their
last three or four records were anything but progressive, they always made
sure to insert one lengthy suite there so that the older fans wouldn't
be completely disappointed. Of course, real older fans didn't really
give a damn, but quite a lot were probably deceived into buying these records
and having to endure stuff like 'Who Dunnit?', 'That's All', 'In Too Deep'
and 'I Can't Dance' for the sake of 'Dodo', 'Home By The Sea', 'Domino'
and 'Fading Lights'. Hah!
Anyway, there are about three or four clever pop songs on this album that
I'm able to listen to without falling asleep. Without any regret or remorse
or anything I clearly state that I simply love 'I Can't Dance':
in fact, this might be the greatest 'pure pop' song the band ever did.
The grumbling guitar riff, crystal clear singing and Phil's humorous self-bashing
really make this number, and as far as I remember, I even used to love
the accompanying video. Note also how well Phil managed to express his
life philosophy in one sentence: 'I can't dance, I can't sing, I'm just
standing here selling everything'. Pretty much applies to everything he
did in the past fifteen or twenty years, ain't it? Okay, okay, joking...
then again, he did manage to sell nearly everything possible...
Fine. There's also the catchy 'Jesus He Knows Me', a song with more or
less simple lyrics denouncing religious hypocrisy (didn't the video feature
Phil as a preacher?) and a 'modern' fast melody that still gets me going.
Okay, at least it isn't techno or something. 'No Son Of Mine' is also an
interesting pop number. But that's about it. The rest is either horrendous
('highlights' include the ridiculous save-the-poor-rocker 'Tell Me Why',
not to be confused with the Beatles song), or, more often, just
booorring. Songs like 'Hold On My Heart' seem to be taken directly from
some abandoned Collins solo outtakes: sweet adult pop that has nothing
to do with good taste or, rather, is an offense to good taste. Indeed,
the second part of the album is practically all forgettable (and that's
more than half an hour of music), until you arrive at the final 'Fading
Lights' to immerse yourself into ten minutes of bad progressive rock which
you still view as an escape from the realms of bullshit pop entertainment
for mass consumption.
My question is: what was the role of Banks and Rutherford in the making
of this album? 'Fading Lights' excluded, I don't really see the possibility
of any of them two taking responsibility for anything else on the record.
Seems just like Phil walked up to them one day and said, 'look, I got this
here dozen of songs and I want 'em to sport the Genesis logo. If you agree,
you'll get a load of cash for that, otherwise, you'll end up in the gutter'.
Somebody correct me if I'm wrong, but something inside me tells me that
the essence is very similar. And while you're looking for an answer, don't
forget to remind you not to buy this album - the best songs can easily
be looked up on a compilation. Better still, look for Live: The Way
We Walk, the review for which you're gonna be enjoying right away.
Tell me why you don't mail your ideas
Your worthy comments:
Nick Karn <glassmoondt@yahoo.com> (19.10.99)
The final transformation of making Collins' solo career and Genesis practically the same thing. I'm not exactly sure why (maybe it's the more thoughtful lyrics), but I actually love this album. Even though the progressive elements are even more subdued (with only a beautiful mellow jam on the atmospheric "Fading Lights" and the ending solo section to "Way Of The World" hinting at it), the ballads don't sound bad to me at all either... they're nice and dependable melodically relaxing (I actually quite enjoy "Hold On My Heart" -- I guess I deserve to be lined up against the wall and shot by Roger Waters, and especially "Since I Lost You", a very beautiful tribute to Eric Clapton's son who died tragically). It's the more lyrically meaningful, pieces that really make this album click in my opinion - particularly those first three tracks ("No Son Of Mine", "Jesus He Knows Me", "Driving The Last Spike"), which in my view are flat out brilliant, somewhat more than just average pop. I guess my only serious gripe with this album is the inclusion of the uptempo more "rock" number "I Can't Dance", which is highly annoying to me and plus doesn't fit the album AT ALL, but it doesn't really bring down my rating, because the rest of the album, for the most part, is outstanding. An 8 it is.
Rich Bunnell <taosterman@yahoo.com> (31.12.99)
I like to think of this one as the best solo album Phil Collins ever made, because while it certainly sounds like an album he'd make on his own, it actually has some worthwhile songs on it. Yes, there are definitely loads of dreck ("Hold On My Heart," "Living Forever," "Since I Lost You," "Never A Time") but some songs, like "No Son Of Mine," "Jesus He Knows Me," and "Way Of The World" are downright great! Still, this is considerably more boring than the best Genesis work, and I'd have to give it a low seven. Nevertheless, this is quite a bit more listenable than Invisible Content could ever hope to be.
Bob <Trfesok@aol.com> (08.02.2000)
They should have added "We Can't Play or Write, Either!" Invisible Touch wasn't quite "Invisible Talent," but that's what's going on here! And, contrary to your review, this ancient prog fan is not charmed by the unexciting "Fading Lights" -- it should have been called "Fading Attention." The only enjoyable tune is "Driving The Last Spike," which has some interesting, literate lyrics and a good melody. But that's it! Good riddance, Collins! I got my copy of this album for free, and it was stolen. No great loss.
Ben Greenstein <bgreenstein@nctimes.net> (16.04.2000)
How can anyone stand by "Driving The Last Spike"? It starts out as pretty decent, but just keeps REPEATING itself to the point where it sounds like self-parody. Really, really sad. And it's one of the standout tracks! The rest of this stuff is boring as fuck (not to say that fuck is boring, I just need to draw some sort of crude analogy), with the exception of three very well done pop singles, which I love like children. They're enough to give it a four. But no more!
John McFerrin <stoo@imsa.edu> (27.07.2000)
This album blows. It gets a 3 from me. For one thing, 'Fading Lights' is absolute bullshit - I am insulted that they would think that art-rock fans would swallow this crap just because it's lengthy. But the rest of the album is little better. I just listen to this and my jaw drops at how unbelievably horrible this stuff is. 'I Can't Dance' is pretty good, of course, and both 'No Son of Mine' and 'Jesus He Knows Me' are fairly decent. But that's it.
Ted Goodwin <Ftg3plus4@cs.com> (19.11.2000)
I once owned every Genesis thing I could get my hands on, up to and including INVISIBLE TOUCH. DANCE was the first Genesis album I never bought. The bits of it I've heard have never made me feel like I was missing much. I recently heard the song "Dreaming While You Sleep", for instance, and was disappointed by how these 3 guys -- any one of which is capable of writing a truly disturbing song -- managed to take such a creepy premise and make such a DULL song out of it. GENESIS ARCHIVE 2 includes two DANCE-era B-sides, and I get the impression that both of these songs are better than anything that made it onto the album.
Year Of Release: 1992
Record rating = 7
Overall rating = 10
What bugs me about all these washed-up superstar live albums is that
they tend to replace greatest hits collections.
Best song: MAMA
[Note: I'm still looking
for the 'longs': it's a disappointment that I only got the first part of
the album, cuz the second one, based on the band's elder, 'progressive'
material, seems to be even more promising. Well, everything in due time].
Apparently the success of 'I Can't Dance' got so much to Phil's
head that he decided to build the image of the succeeding live album on
the concept. Hence the lengthy title and the cover image where the band
plus supporting musicians are indeed doing some 'shorts'. Don't really
know whether that contributed to the album sales or not, but the tour itself
was quite successful - even my father who's not really a great Genesis
fan got to see them in Germany and, well, he did appreciate them. Me, unfortunately,
I got to appreciate them based entirely on this hour-long audio documentary,
and you know what? It's worthy.
In fact, whatever reproaches I may hold towards the studio albums, there's
little to scold about the live album. Oh, of course there's the usual complaint
- it simply has no reason to exist. While Seconds Out was interesting
at least in that it gave us the chance to see Phil playing the part of
Peter (whether we liked it or not, that's completely a matter of personal
taste), and Genesis Live is nowadays simply a priceless 'document'
from the old days long gone by, this album is neither: the days are still
young and they're not doing Gabriel material on here. So? So I simply treat
it as the equivalent of a hit collection, because the song selection is
strong. The material is based exclusively on the last three albums, but
it manages to omit most of the dreck and include all of the worthy tunes.
With one blatant exception, though. Horrendous exception, and I
can only explain its inclusion by Phil's wanting the album to be appreciated
by sweetie-slicky pop lovers. Yup, you guessed right, it's the atrocious
'Hold On My Heart' - that candy-romantic schlock that could perfectly fit
Santa Barbara, but not your average good taste. It's dreadful, and
I ditched the album a whole point for it. Why not 'Illegal Alien' or 'Abacab'
instead? Never mind, please stop me from digressing.
The rest is good, anyways. From Genesis, you get 'Mama' that's even
better than the original, with Phil obviously delighting in his evil 'HA-HAs'.
Maybe I feel that it's the particular standout on the album because it's
the only menacing and adrenaline-filled number - but why not? And 'That's
All' never stopped ruling as well, although Phil lets the song a little
down by singing offkey in particular places. From Invisible Touch
you get the main bulk: 'Land Of Confusion', the title track, 'Throwing
It All Away', 'In Too Deep' and an unexplicably abbreviated 'Tonight Tonight
Tonight'. In fact, the abbreviation saddens me a little: while the long
version did have some abstract 'serious' musical value, here it is just
transformed into a crowd-pleaser. What the heck, it still has a cute melody.
Finally, from the last studio album we mostly get the few good cuts (apart
from 'Hold On My Heart', of course): 'No Son Of Mine', 'Jesus He Knows
Me' and, of course, 'I Can't Dance' which is severely extended. I'll just
have to guess that the song formed the climax to their concerts, as Phil
was trying to please the newly converted fans.
Of course, nobody is expected to buy this album nowadays. Still, if you
want to save some money, you're well advised to screw both Invisible
Touch and We Can't Dance and invest here instead. Why not? The
production is fine, the playing is immaculate (how could Phil let his live
album be a messy recording?), and, like I said, the song selection is satisfying.
Plus, it does have the definite live version of 'Mama', now doesn't it?
I can't dance, but I can sure post your comments
Your worthy comments:
Ben Greenstein <bgreenstein@nctimes.net> (16.04.2000)
Yeah - why not "Abacab" or "Illegal Alien"? Or "Turn It On Again," "No Reply At All," "Dodo," or a FULL version of "Tonight, Tonight, Tonight"? Why not? As it is, it can get a seven, but that "Hold On My Heart" really rubs me the wrong way. As for volume two, it's really just a medley of older, Gabrielish stuff (which sound kind of weird with the modern synths) and the "progressive" songs from the last three albums. It's okay. I don't OWN it, but I've heard it. Maybe you should, too.
Rich Bunnell <taosterman@yahoo.com> (08.06.2000)
Whatever. The songs mostly sound exactly the same as the studio versions,
and when they don't, it's just a dull, tedious lengthening of an already
crappy song ("Invisible Touch," "I Can't Dance"). They
completely slaughter "Throwing It All Away" and there's nothing
else on here that you can't get by simply buying one of the studio albums.
The version of "Mama" is good, but it really doesn't differ much
from the studio version, so I think it has to do mainly with the fact that
the original song was so good in the first place. Still-- 3/10. EAT THAT,
COLLINS!!!!!!!
It doesn't seem like the second volume is worth anyone's time either, chiefly
because instead of playing lots of the band's old prog songs, they just
cram most of them into a medley and then spend the rest of the disc playing
songs like "Fading Lights" and "Driving The Last Spike"
and acting like they rank up there with the Gabriel material. Yeeeeeah
right.
Year Of Release: 1997
Record rating = 1
Overall rating = 4
What the hell is THIS SHIT? Horrendous zero-tone music serving as
cosmic rock lullabies?
Best song: CONGO, but it's actually horrible...
When Phil Collins announced he was quitting the band for good (a rather
strange move, since nobody ever prevented him from preserving the band
and getting on with his own solo career as well), he probably thought Mike
and Tony would disband the unhappy, violated group and just get on with
their solo careers. He was dead wrong, and if he were able to preview
the ensuing catastrophe, he'd probably have changed his mind. Because Tony
and Mike thought they still weren't done with the band. Unfortunately.
Instead, they recruited ex-Stiltskin member Ray Wilson, proclaimed him
to be the next Peter Gabriel and decided to get artsy again. They didn't,
however, take into account the fact that none of the two really remembered
how to write good art rock music, since, quite naturally, they hadn't really
done that for about twenty years now. The result is this album sucks. Not
just sucks - it's abominable. It's the kind of music that I've been consciously
(or subconsciously) trying to get away all my life - pseudo-prog rock,
full of monotonous mechanic beats, dull, dead-sounding synth backgrounds,
and an ultra-pretentious feel from guys who really don't know what they're
doing or where they're going but pretend to think that they do. It's murder,
and after sitting through this record the appropriate three times (which
actually took a week) I'm so sick that I doubt I'll ever put on a Gabriel-less
Genesis record again...
On with the show, though. First of all, if Ray Wilson's voice is really
close to Peter Gabriel's, then I'm the next Maria Callas. Somebody with
a sharp mind on the Net remarked that Wilson actually sounds like George
Michael in a drug-induced coma, and I wholeheartedly agree. As much as
I resent Collins' voice, it's simply incomparable in richness, variety
and expressivity. Ray just whines all the way through the album as if he
was computer-processed. Add to this the tired, monotonous sound of drums
going in four-four all over the record, some generic hard guitar riffs,
and the worst elements of Banksynths, and you get yourself an album about
as memorable and diverse as an hour-long roaring of a subway train. And
yes, you heard right - the album is more than an hour long. What a perfect
torture for the Nazis. The album should have come out in Germany around
1939 or so!
What puzzles me so much, actually, is that they seemed to really care about
the album! Most of the tracks are written with enough care so as not to
lose their 'pop' audiences, at the same time attracting older 'prog' fans.
That is, while the 'prog' fans should be attracted to the album due to
Banksynths, its generic 'cosmic rock' feel and Wilson's pathetic and universalist
singing, the 'pop' fans were probably deemed to be pleased with the 'catchy'
refrains on songs like 'Congo' or 'If That's What You Need'. But both sides
are eventually just a big, big, big put-on - and nothing else. Oooooh.
'Congo', with its samba beat, is actually the closest thing to a decent
song on the album, but the arrangement is so horrendous that it's only
possible to call this an embryonic good song. All the other songs
are totally predictable. All are taken at the same tempo, all are played
with the same limited bunch of instruments, and all are filled with Wilson's
unstructured whinings. I could have written a song as good as the title
track in definitely no time, because this one isn't actually a song. How
can you call a 'song' something that has no melody? Okay, so 'Congo', 'Shipwrecked'
and probably 'Alien Afternoon' could have been elaborated into something
better than this actual tripe, but they weren't. Instead, everything is
just reduced to the same boring generic 'cosmic rock' formula - didn't
the word 'variety' ever occur to Tony and the ever-worsening Mike? And
by the way, if they pretend this to be a return to form, where's the guitar?
The acoustic intro to 'Not About Us' certainly doesn't satisfy me at all.
Oh, forget it, it's useless even to accuse this album of something particular,
it deserves nothing less than a death sentence.
Hate, hate, hate this album. It's a vile parody on the real Genesis, and
of course it has nothing to do with Peter Gabriel or anything. Peter Gabriel
used to take you different places and put you in the midst of beautiful
fairy tales; this 'anti-Genesis' sticks you out in the orbit and just whines
about the world's ugliness like millions of less and more talented musicians
before them. Boycott this album, it's an insult to the Genesis legacy.
And shouldn't we disqualify Tony Banks forever?
Calling all stations - mail your ideas!
Your worthy comments:
Richard C. Dickison <rdick@mag.com> (21.12.99)
What does a band do when the only motivated, professional, player in
the band, the only member who set direction for the group for years decides
he made enough money and had overstayed his welcome with the public.
What do these poor slobs do when none of them have any idea about what
to write or play next because none of them have made a contribution to
the group in years.
Well, you scam the public for any money you can get by putting out the
biggest piece of shit you and your fellow useless musician friends can
come up with.
Tony, do us all a favor and declare bankruptcy next time you idiot.
Genesis is dead dead dead dead, fini
Bob <Trfesok@aol.com> (08.02.2000)
I actually don't hate this album, if I don't think of it as Genesis.
You complain again that Tony's synth dominate, but I actually find him
too muted here. The dominant musical personality is Mike -- the album sounds
like a Mechanics album with Tony, Ray and the drummers as session men.
Ray actually sounds more like Mechanics vocalists Paul Young and Paul Carrack
than Pete or Phil.
None of this is necessarily bad. It's pop music, to be sure, but it's has
a darker, tougher edge than anything Collins produced with the band. And
the lyrics are really intriguing -- looks like the boys had major relationship
troubles.
But, yeah, it's not Foxtrot.
<TLTCASTLE@aol.com> (10.05.2000)
At one point or another I've owned every Genesis album and I don't think I ever got sick of any of them except FGTR. When I bought Calling All Stations I listened to it once and wanted to throw it out the car window doing 80! Enough Said
John McFerrin <stoo@imsa.edu> (27.07.2000)
Well, I don't hate it quite as much as you do. But I still dislike it
more than W&W, and I couldn't stand that much at all.
The thing is, few of the songs are overtly horrible. Almost all are just
a very, very very low level mediocre. And in fact, 'Congo' and 'Shipwrecked'
are almost decent songs.
The problem here comes when you take them all together. When every single
song is almost exactly the same, and that same is mostly 'boring as hell',
and the singer sounds like crap, and yet they still think that they are
'artsy,' it is then that you have problems.
I give it a low 2. It's not as bad as 3 (or Power of Three,
whatever it's called), and hence I'm not ready to give it a one.
<Dan.Miller@phs.com> (12.08.2000)
W-W-Wait a minute! What is this? Heavy Metal?
No, it's Mike Rutherford ripping an agressive guitar riff through the opening
strains of ``Calling All Stations,'' the title track to the latest Genesis
studio effort, the first album since Phil Collins left the band after a
glorious near quarter-century of service.
An aside: I had read a blurb in the paper that said Phil Collins had left
Genesis (it also said that Banks and Rutherford would continue). That night
I dreamt the Charterhouse alumni recruited Gabriel-wannabe Fish (formerly
of Marillion) and Carl Palmer (or any other at-the-time unemployed prog-rock
drummer), and that Steve Hackett came back to put out a fun throwback album
to the glory days. And why not? Yes put out Union and it sucked,
but this would have the advantage of some injected new (albeit old) blood.
(On the flipside: the nightmare would have saccharine-schlock Paul Carrack
on vocals and oil-slick, plastic-robotic Hugh Padgham returning to the
control board.)
Well, that's why they're called dreams. Banks and Rutherford decided that
their first Collins-less album would be darker and more introspective (well,
duh. After the fruity ``In Too Deep'' and ``Never a Time'' of albums previous,
how could it not?). Enter Ray Wilson - a decent singer devoid of Phil's
pop sensibilities and Gabriel's mystical storytelling - to voice songs
not of world hunger or nuclear annihilation but of growing old, dying relationships
and the inner frustrations borne of life's failures.
Well, I'm going to break ranks and give the album a thumbs-up, and while
I will not rank it alongside Selling, Trick or Three
(my favorite albums from each of the critical lineups), I think it's Genesis'
best work since Duke and is comparable to Abacab. Why?
For starters, most of what is left of Genesis' vital signature is still
evident - lush keyboards, compelling song structure and strong drumming
(good work by studio/half-member Nir Zakadookie or whatever the hell his
name is - Collins himself said he was quite impressed). The ballads work
because they lack the cheese that made ``In Too Deep'' (and in your case,
George, ``Hold on My Heart'') repulsive. The more complex compositions
don't reflect days of old (like Banks might have mistakenly claimed), but
remind me of the best work off of Three and Abacab. And,
I have to admit, I think ``Alien Afternoon'' is the best song Genesis has
put to record since ``Dodo/Lurker.'' ``AA'' has it all: a pop/reggae beginning,
a vocal with an ounce of pop candy and a second half that rips into a powerful,
aggressive climax laced with despondence and tragedy. Good stuff!
Now, George, before you erase this, even I can recognize the album's faults.
For starters, and probably most frustrating, every song fades out. Fades
out? What a cop-out! For writers who once crafted powerful finales to such
gems as ``The Musical Box,'' ``The Fountain of Salmacis'' and ``The Knife,''
this is mildly irritating to say the least. Sometimes the fade-out is over,
and there are still some lyrics left on the page. Hello?!? Second, the
Banksynths you deride have recoiled to the background. It would have been
nice to hear a few more solos. ``Fading Lights,'' ``Firth of Fifth,'' ``In
the Cage'' and ``Riding the Scree'' remind us how well the man can rip
a solo out of thin air, but except for ``There Must Be Some Other Way,''
Banks stays in the background almost throughout. Oh, and ``Small Talk''
is pointless, although I'd still rank it well above dog-logs like ``Anything
She Does.''
Perhaps Banks never should have said that Wilson sounds like Gabriel. All
it did was attract the most venomous spite from fans offended by the blasphemy.
Banks should have strictly pointed the band in a new direction, because
that's what it is. Calling All Stations does not succeed the way
the first Post-Gabriel Trick of the Tail did for Collins, and surely
the band's stadium-headlining days are over, but if the muse in Tony remains
strong, he and his bandmates can release a better album the next time around.
Let's wait and see, but Calling All Stations works for what it does.
Stanislava Stoytcheva <stanislava.stoytcheva@stud.lrz-muenchen.de> (04.10.2000)
Hey you know what? Dan Miller is sdamn right! Take this album for what it is, and not for what it lacks. And then boom - believe or not, you'll like it. It's autumn now, and in Germany it's a shitty wheather, so all of this music is perfectly right...for autumn. And like it or not - there ARE melodies. Man! But I understand you...but try! You know, Ray hits it when he sings "How different things look when you're overrun" And I promise you: things WILL look different when you play this album on a really bad day with really bad wheather - what a wonderful soundtrack!
<zwetan@stud.uni-frankfurt.de> (10.10.2000)
I also used to hate this album; but one day, leaving all preoccupations
aside, I realized whatever happened, whatever happened...well, George,
write a couple of tunes like the title track, and I'll take you as my composer!
This song paints a picture: a lonely man, standing in the dark...rain...calling
all stations...O.K. the CD has a fatal flaw: the songs share generally
all the same mood, the same (O.K. dull) instrumentation, and the voice...
But do you remember And then there were three? That was also a record
where Mike and Tony offered a somewhat tour de force of overlong boring
and very similar to each other Genesis songs. It was exactly the same case:
when you learned to love this kind of song, you were bound to love the
whole album, distinguish the songs from eachother, and maybe even discover
some melodies.
And so, 20 years later we've got this. And what can I say: try to understand
it - Tony Banks does have a message for you with his majestic chords, which
Mike Rutherford still knows how to underpin with his original monotonous
bass. The lyrics will take you to the world of self-alienation and loneliness
once again. It all has a very autumny feel (remember the ballads from Duke?)
which is confirmed by their flawless singer. (Who certainly should NOT
shoot a bullett through his head!)
Maybe you'll come to see that the title track is truly idiosyncratic, "Shipwrecked"is
truly beautiful, "The Dividing Line" is a prog-...(maybe you'd
say shit) and "A Day Of Uncertain Wheather" could have easilly
landed on any 76-80 Genesis-album.
If it still doesn't work George, just imagine you're listening to a new
Pink Floyd album; then it MUST work!
[Special author note: I will
try to explain my reasoning with a counterexample. Take that great lost
late Nineties classic, Britney Spears' Baby One More Time. Any of
the tunes on there easily match the average CAS track in melodicity
and intensity (and I'm perfectly serious here), so maybe you should
take those faceless automatons that wrote the songs for the poor girl as
your composer instead. Sure, it has a few flaws: the songs share generally
all the same mood, the same dull instrumentation, and the voice... But
try to understand it - the guitar player does have a message for you with
his powerful riffs, and the bass player sure knows how to underpin them
with his jumpy lines. The lyrics will take you to the world of loneliness
and passion. It all has a very autumny feel which is confirmed by the flawless
singerine. You'll come to see that the title track is truly idiosyncratic,
'I Was Born To Make You Happy' is truly beautiful, 'You Drive Me Crazy'
is an immaculate pop-... (maybe somebody'd say shit) and 'Soda Pop' could
have easily landed on a classic Bob Marley album. If it still doesn't work,
imagine you're listening to a new Badfinger album; then it MUST work!
Seriously now, what I was trying to say is that it's perfectly easy to
make oneself love any album in the universe. When, however, you
apply some different criteria, like 'originality', 'intelligence' and 'catchiness',
that's where the rub sets in. I don't personally object to all the songs
on an album sharing the same mood, but it has to be an intelligently crafted
mood, something unprecedented and tasteful, like Dire Straits' debut, for
instance. There is nothing original or tasteful on CAS - that same
mood had already been explored many times before. Take David Bowie's Outside,
for instance, or some of - yes - Peter Gabriel's more recent work, where
darkness and despair are depicted far more vividly. I could go on, but
why should I? Tastes are tastes, and paradigms are paradigms.]
All Genesis members, including even such early figures as Anthony Philips, have had lengthy and often prolific solo careers of their own; however, I'm not at all interested in reviewing all of these (review Tony Banks solo albums? I'm not a schizophrenic yet!) Recently I have managed to build up a decent Steve Hackett collection, as his output really ignited my curiosity; while some of his records do seem to be minor pieces of shit, most of them prove to be minor classics, and unlike so many guitar colleagues of his, Steve never lost the experimental and innovative edge through the years; this, taken together with the diversity and enjoyability of his catalog, prompted me to move him to a separate page. And, of course, I have reviewed the entire solo career of Peter Gabriel, the most important member of the band, on a separate page of his own. Thus, the only thing left in this here section turn out to be... yup, you guessed it - Phil Collins solo reviews! Get the gas masks out!
Year Of Release: 1981
Overall rating = 8
An under-produced, bleak collection of adult pop... blah blah blah,
you know everything already. But a couple of gems are on here, too!
Best song: IN THE AIR TONIGHT
I just picked this one up the other day - don't despise me, I actually
supposed there might have been a time at which Phil Collins made
albums that were something else than just tuneless, slick, predictable
'adult contemporary'. After all, the early Eighties were not that bad a
period for Genesis - they were fooling around with all these tricky drum
machines and exploiting the new genre of synth-pop to a tee, both the good
and bad sides of it. So I thought, hey, maybe Phil was doing something
similar on his solo albums at the time.
Whoops. My mistake. Face Values is his first solo effort, and for
many people around, his best one. Whatever. Maybe. Dunno. Who cares, anyway.
Ninety percent of these songs are just your average synth-based ditties
that update the generic Motownish soul and equally generic bubblegum pop
for the electronic age. Need translation? This album blows. Far more than
Duke. In fact, listening to this makes me think I'm seriously
underrating Tony Banks a synthesizer player, even when he completely mainstreamed
his sound.
Actually, I'd have gladly given the record a six or something like that,
if not for the tracks that bookmark the album. I suppose that everybody
knows 'In The Air Tonight'; it's something like a trademark of Phil by
now, and quite deservedly so, as there's hardly a better song on any of
his solo releases than this hot, tense, passionate statement of love and
hate. Apparently, the song was aimed at Phil's ex-wife (a lot of the album
is dedicated to this thematics, as he was having his divorce at the time
- unfortunately, personal troubles didn't quite make up for another Rumours
this time), and the lyrics, replete with metaphors and veiled scorns like
'if you told me you were drowning/I would not lend a hand', are so biting
that they served as a basis for a great story, the famous myth about how
Phil dedicated the song to a guy who wouldn't save his drowning friend
and when he sang it in concert, he sang it 'specially for the guy' who
later went home and killed himself. Great myth, although Phil taking over
the characteristics of St Peter isn't exactly a pleasant perspective. But
whatever the circumstances, 'In The Air Tonight' still is, and will always
be, one of the cornerstones and best examples of Eighties synth-pop - the
atmosphere, the vocal melody, the hellish drum machines and the heat make
it an unforgettable experience.
Likewise, I'm a great fan of Phil's version of the Beatles' 'Tomorrow Never
Knows' that ends the album. And what a wise choice - 'Tomorrow Never Knows',
in its original version, indeed sounds as if it was destined for
the electronic age. Certainly, by 1981 the song was no longer innovative
or groundbreaking, and the arrangement is inarguably feebler and less 'overloaded'
than the Beatles' one, but it's still a masterful effort, with Phil carefully
preserving the powerhouse drumming and adding a thick layer of synthesizer
backgrounds that manage to preserve the psychedelic atmosphere of the song
while not being really annoying. (But what's that with the short snippet
off 'Over The Rainbow' that Phil quietly ad libs at the end?)
But from now on, my angel goes to sleep and my Belzebul wakes up and clears
his throat. The rest of the album - all ten tracks of it - range from barely
passable to utmost crap. Drat, Phil even manages to ruin 'Behind The Lines',
which was quite an acceptable half-prog-half-pop number on Genesis' Duke.
Here, he trims away all the extra layers of the sound and just sticks with
the carcass of the song, jazzifying it and speeding it up a little so you
could dance yourself to exhaustion. No thanks. And the other hit, the Latin-influenced
'I Missed Again', makes me sick sick sick sick sick. Funny how time has
finally begun to stand still - I can perfectly envisage a tune like this
go up the charts today, what with Ricky Martin and Jennifer Lopez and all
these other suckers ruling in the musical world. Blah. And, of course,
there are the 'softer' ballads. Whatever. Run for cover, mister. There's
no middle ground here: when Phil begins singing a soft ballad, approximately
half of mankind extracts tears from their eyes, while the other half of
mankind extracts vomit from their throats. Guess which half I really belong
to. 'You Know What I Mean' and 'If Leaving Me Is Easy' suck donkey's ass,
and it's not often that you can catch me resorting to that kind
of language. Funny, and it's the same kind of guy who did 'More Fool Me'
for Selling England By The Pound.
The passable tunes on here include the somewhat more attractive pop-rocker
'Thunder And Lightning' with its annoying, but catchy refrain; the pretty
'The Roof Is Leaking', which is mostly pretty because it's based on the
same melody as 'In The Air Tonight', replacing the atmospheric synths with
real pianos and even some steel guitar; and a couple of unremarkable,
but not too crappy instrumentals. Oh, and 'This Must Be Love', while not
a highlight, does borrow a line or two from 'More Fool Me' - notice that
he sings the line 'you know I'm never letting go' exactly in the
same way he sang 'because you never said goodbye' in the latter.
So, in case you're desperately searching for a record to pass over to your
numerous children, I wouldn't recommend this one. No, seriously I would
not. 'In The Air Tonight' totally rules, but that's that, don't ask me
the impossible. Actually, the most entertaining thing about the album in
this case is its back cover where Phil presents you with a close-up of
his hairy hindhead - yes, back in 1981 he still had quite a lot
of hair. Unfortunately, the album also starts the infamous sequence of
pictures aimed for the contest 'Name The Ugliest Mug' (all of Phil's five
or more solo albums feature nothing but Phil's face or half-face or profile).
On the other hand, if you suddenyl find out that your life is hardly imaginable
without at least one generic adult pop album, please buy this one. It's
like, you know, a father of the genre. Or a Godfather, at least. In that
respect, it might even be considered a classic - pity that the genre itself
is so miserable in its essence.
You know what I mean: mail your ideas
Your worthy comments:
Bob Josef <Trfesok@aol.com> (08.02.2000)
The beginning of a boring solo career, which led, in my mind, to the
deterioration of Genesis. But there are four gems here: "Behind the
Lines", with its new horn arrangements is at least interesting --
it was a good song in its Duke incarnation; "The Roof is Leaking",
which has very poignant lyrics; and "In the Air Tonight" and
"Tomorrow Never Knows," which are good enough to be Genesis-worthy,
even if "Air" was horribly overplayed.
Phil included his bit of "Over the Rainbow" at the end of "Tomorrow"
because he intended his version to be a tribute to John Lennon, who was
assassinated during the writing and recording of the album.
Year Of Release: 1982
Overall rating = 8
For short summary, see above.
Best song: I DON'T CARE ANYMORE
Talk about uniformity. Phil's second album follows exactly the
same pattern as his first one, and it's probably more of a complete clone
in relation to Face Value as any selected AC/DC record is in relation
to any other selected AC/DC record. I should have probably lowered
the rating for a complete lack of originality, but this time around, the
Phil formula doesn't seem to be exhausted yet: the better stuff is just
as interesting as the better stuff on the previous album, and the dreck,
well, the dreck isn't any more drecky than before. So let's say this is
just a very weak eight as opposed to Face Value's strong eight (i.e.
weak mediocrity as opposed to mediocrity epitomised!)
This record's 'In The Air Tonight' is called 'I Don't Care Anymore', and
it's also a very distinguished and respectable representative of Eighties'
pop; the best element here is probably Phil's maniacal, insane drumming
- yeah, I suppose it's drum machines as usual, but he programmed them really
well for this one, and the pulsating beats switching from one speaker to
speaker are the perfect counterpoint for his angry vocals as he continues
to vent his frustration against some or other chick - untrue wife stories
again? Funny how the songs seem to be almost equally divided in between
angry rants and sappy confessions; you understand, of course, which group
is more tolerable...
Songs like 'Do You Know Do You Care', for instance, can only be excused
by a genuine feel of being totally pissed-off: if you're in a forgivable
mood, the song can easily qualify as a poorboy version of the Genesis classic
'Mama' (which, while we're at it, was written a year later and obviously
along the same pattern). Of course, historically it's more like a poorboy
version of the Peter Gabriel classic 'Intruder' (which, while we're at
it, was written two years earlier and obviously along the same pattern
- the drumming, for instance, is very similar). In any case, a pissed-off
and angry Phil Collins is at least able to arrange banal lyrics and trivial
melodies in credible, solemn clothes of bombastic synth arrangements.
The only other song on here that I could call a relative 'highlight' is
'The West Side', a moody and pleasant instrumental that is quite in the
Peter Gabriel mood (as far as I know, Peter is actually credited for 'vocals'
on the album, although I don't know what exactly and where he is singing).
The song is graced with a majestic sax solo that sounds acceptable to me,
and, quite unexpectedly, Phil even introduces some 'tribal' elements with
his primal chanting. Not that the song is really featuring any 'world beats'
- that was fully Peter's prerogative, and Phil wasn't about to borrow his
formula; but at least it goes to show that at this point in his career,
Phil was still ready to get it on with a little experimentation; add to
this the inventive use of drum machines on much of the tracks, and you'll
see that, while both this album and Face Value have turned out to
be totally dismissable in retrospect, in the early Eighties they were actually
setting a pattern, not just blindly following it.
Of course, the pattern set by songs like 'I Cannot Believe It's True' or
'It Don't Matter To Me' is another matter. Maybe, of course, it's just
a matter of taste, but I simply can't STAND these stupid, gross synthesized
horns. I mean, Genesis' output in the Eighties could suck for all its worth,
but the band practically never stooped to such a ridiculous use of synthesizers.
The songs are, as you might have guessed, generic Latin-disco (is that
a normal compound form?) dance schlock. Likewise, I totally despise, and
hope that you do too, the sap of 'Don't Let Him Steal Your Heart Away'
and 'Why Can't It Wait 'Til Morning'. Whereas songs like 'I Don't Care
Anymore' can be taken as aimed at the more 'thinking' parts of the audience,
with their 'experimental' beats and moods, songs like 'It Don't Matter
To Me' are apparently aimed at the brainless guys in night clubs, and songs
like 'Don't Let Him Steal Your Heart Away' are aimed at the brainless chicks
on stadiums. In other words, come and get it - Hello I Must Be Going
is a pretty democratic album, offering at least a little bit for every
possible social group imaginable. No wonder it was so commercially successful.
Or maybe it wasn't? No wonder, either: it would leave any category
of public at least partially unsatisfied. What use can a brainless chick
have of 'The West Side'?
Oh, yeah, besides 'I Don't Care Anymore', the hit here was 'You Can't Hurry
Love'. That song sounds like something that Herman's Hermits could have
written and left in the drawer for Phil to find it and update for the Eighties
(when in reality it's just a hopelessly butchered Supremes tune, as Rich
Bunnell points out below). Does it make you cringe? And I have listened
to the song three times. Man, I suppose I have to go take a course
of medical treatment right now...
The funniest thing about the album is its cover - I love to take the booklet
out and spread it on the table so that Phil appears to have two faces.
I suppose you cut this out and use it as a shooting target. Oh yeah, and
don't forget to tape the three decent songs on here before burning the
rest. But I still insist that his use of drum machines on here is friggin'
awesome: Phil is the one musician that really gives them a good name. At
least, used to give them a good name.
You can't hurry love, but you can hurry up with your ideas
Your worthy comments:
Rich Bunnell <taosterman@yahoo.com> (04.02.2000)
I don't actually have this album, but "You Can't Hurry Love" is a pretty-darned-well-known Supremes tune from the '60s-- maybe it doesn't get airplay in Russia or something. I do agree, though, that Phil's version is horrible....he should stick to the cooler stuff like "In The Air Tonight" rather than attempt to sing '60s Motown tracks...he doesn't have the voice for it.
Bob <Trfesok@aol.com> (08.02.2000)
I really find Phil's attempts to be a "soul" singer to be
quite offensive -- he did really start that of the last album''s "Behind
the lines," with his annoying "Oh, Lord" asides.
But "You Can't Hurry Love" was truly an obnoxious error that
he didn't get over for several years, culminating in including a medley
of 60's soul tunes in live performances of "Turn in On Again"
and appearances with The Blues Brothers. Phil, you are a short, white British
guy, not Wilson Pickett or Levi Stubbs! Get over it!
Glenn Wiener <Glenn.Wiener@Entex.com> (01.03.2000)
The words that come to my brain when I think of this release is com si com sa. I have the lp from my college days and remember thinking it was OK. But if you or I were to rank my music collection, it would definitely fall in the middle or even less. The songs are just not that memorable. I don't mind his cover of 'You Can't Hurry Love'. However, both the Supremes and especially The Stray Cats perform this song considerably better. Truthfully 'Why Can't It Wait Until Morning' is a nice song as it serves a definite purpose: To go to sleep and out on a better record the next day! The rest is OK for background listening but classic stuff this is definitely NOT!
Year Of Release: 1985
Overall rating = 7
They should have entitled that 'No Ears Required (Not To Mention
Brains)'. The record that did it for the Eighties, and did in the Eighties.
Best song: TAKE ME HOME
Phil's Big Whopper - how could I have bypassed that one? How could I?
How could I resist the pleasure of bashing this prototypical example of
why the Eighties as a musical decade sucked everything suckable? No, I
simply couldn't.
Wanna know a funny thing, though? This album isn't bad. At least
- it ain't proverbially bad, I mean bad to the point of throwing
a fit and choking on your own vomit. In fact, maybe if only it weren't
so damn LONG (and Phil's albums really grew longer as they grew worse),
I would even have given it an eight; but the number and length of these
songs that all sound so damn alike just gets on my nerves like, totally,
around track number seven or eight. So a seven it is. The thing is, by
1985 Phil was unarguably the Grand Master of Soft Adult Contemporary Cheesy
Synth Pop, and like it goes with all the Grand Masters, one can't but pay
at least a little bit of respect. Here, the bit of respect is expressed
in my being amazed at how the man really takes the most miserable musical
genre in the world (rap excluded, of course) and proceeds to do at least
something vaguely interesting with it - interesting to the point
that very few songs on here sound gross or truly embarrassing. I mean,
I can easily accuse Phil of many things based on the analysis of the album:
monotonousness, lack of original musical ideas, unsophisticated lyrics,
complete reliance on drum machines instead of his own magnificent drumming,
but there's one thing I can't accuse him of - and that's stupidity.
And believe me, this is important: it is absolutely obvious that No
Jacket Required is an album written by an intelligent, musically competent
person, a thing that was not very often met in the Eighties among generic
synth-pop bands. Which, of course, makes the blow all the more painful
- who knows which better things this talent and intelligence might have
been spent on?
Of course, this impression is mostly got out of the record as a whole:
as soon as I start getting into any particular song, I feel like ripping
it to shreds is the only solution possible. Let's see, there are eleven
songs on here, and how many can get through the filters of quality? First
of all, let us dispatch the sappy saccharine filler of the 'Hold On My
Heart' kind. That would be the cringe-inducing 'One More Night', and it
would also be the somewhat less cringe-inducing 'Long Long Way To Go' which
is at least more 'melancholic' than 'sappy'. Not good, either.
Second, it's hardly possible to stand all that synth-jazz-pop crap with
silly synthesized horns and unsyncopated beats. Every time I hear 'Sussudio',
I want to... man, I don't know what I want to, I just imagine Phil bouncing
round the stage to that beat and chanting it, and that makes me reach for
an imagined handgun. Whoever calls the song a 'Prince stylization' does
the Artist Formerly Known As ******* a somewhat unsuitable favour. It's
just your ordinary melodyless dance crap for chicks (pleeeease don't tell
me I'm a moron for not noticing the subtle twists of the melodic waves!)
The same fate concerns 'Who Said I Would', which seems to have a real
saxophone solo, but it doesn't help either. And, of course, the dreadful,
simply dreadful 'Doesn't Anybody Stay Together Anymore' - is that title
even grammatical? In any case, crowd-raising anthemic chants is Phil's
second worst genre after atmospheric sappy ballads; let the warning be
made.
That leaves us with six songs which - finally - range the gamut from barely
tolerable to okay. Jacket is often deemed to be Phil's 'optimistic'
response to the pessimistic drive of the previous two albums: a wrong move,
as the pessimistic material on those albums was actually the best stuff
Phil ever wrote as a solo artist. Now what's to be found here? All the
material is pretty upbeat, and Phil spends more time writing, ahem, 'rockers',
some of them in collaboration with guitarist Daryl Stuermer. The best of
these is probably 'Only You Know And I Know' that swirls along at a fast,
steady pace and is at least able to get some blood flowing once you've
convinced yourself that corny synths can really replace the guitar
as the musical background in a fast rocker. 'I Don't Wanna Know' is less
driving, but more catchy; make your bet today, win a rabbit tomorrow. But
then there's 'Don't Lose My Number' which is creeping in the company of
these somewhat superior rockers as an ugly duckling. Does it 'rock'? You
bet. Me, I bet Phil stole this from Rod Stewart's Camouflage outtakes
(although I'm also pretty sure Rod would have arranged the song in an even
more horrible way way back in 1984).
So, apart from that couple of tolerable rockers, a delicate bit of consolation
comes in the face of 'Inside Out', a mighty chant a little in the Genesis
style (you know, the 'Silver Rainbow' kind), only set to a mandatory dance
beat; the closing 'We Said Hello Goodbye' which is not related to
the Beatles' tune - it's a simple piano ditty that does seem to be influenced
by Lennon, though (think 'Imagine', eh?); and 'Take Me Home'. Oh sheez,
don't bug me about that one. I first heard it in a live version and hated
the living heck out of it. Turns out that as a studio song, it's done much,
much better, as a real pounding, gospelish, sincere-sounding confessional.
Hell, I don't even have to suppose it's fake or anything - why should it
be? I repeat that not only is Phil not stupid, he is not a studio automaton,
either, at least if we're not speaking about butchering other people's
careers (I'll never pardon the man for what he did to Clapton at
around that same time). And that's good.
Hey, actually, what are we talking about? Feel free to raise that rating
two or even three points if you don't have such a tenacious allergy on
generic synth-pop. Phil is a good lad, a friendly chap and a great drummer.
And I agree to not notice the bald spot on the front cover.
Only you know and I know: you have to mail your ideas
Your worthy comments:
Rich Bunnell <taosterman@yahoo.com> (03.03.2000)
Ecch....There isn't really much to say. I despise this album. If all Phil Collins Genesis sounded like this, I wouldn't be interested in them at all; luckily Phil kept most of this generic radio-ready crap for his own solo albums. "Take Me Home" is probably the best song on the album, but it's so wimpy and repetitive that it's hard to notice. A 3. And I don't churn out bad grades towards albums just based on the fact that they're commercial, it's when the music is overly soulless, polished, and wimpy when I get annoyed. This album is among such albums. Eccccccch.
Ben Greenstein <bgreenstein@nctimes.net> (07.03.2000)
Oh, come on. Do you mean to tell me that you've honestly never caught yourself singing "Sussudio"? I do it all the time - it used to embarrass me, but I got over that. The corny production can't ruin the fact that it's a really cool dance tune. At least, I like it. "Take Me Home" is great, too, and I remember the second song being fun, too. The rest ain't bad, but generic. And I don't think I'll ever listen to the album again except for those three songs. But you can get it for dirt cheap, and it's fun, so everyone should own it. Hell, judging from album sales, I'd say that everyone already does.
Bob Josef <Trfesok@aol.com> (07.05.2000)
How about No Talent Required? Couldn't resist that one! Non-distinctive pop music that could be done by anyone! "Sussudio" is indeed a lame rip-off of Prince's "1999." "One More Night" might have 4 chords, maybe. And worst of all, he starts ripping off other people's titles and lyrics: Steely Dan ("Don't Lose That Number"), Dave Mason ("Only You Know and I Know"), and, as you mentioned, Paul McCartney ("We Said Hello Goodbye"). Unfortunately, as his creativity, or ambition, decreased, his popularity went through the roof. Can we say "SELLOUT?" This was the album that, annoyingly led to the bastard child of Invisible Touch.