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on-reflection-digest Tuesday, August 17 1999 Volume 01 : Number 1823



gg: Wakeman / Emerson /Fripp
Re: gg: Illusion
gg: Antithesis of Prog
gg: Yes/Prettyboy Trev..
Re: gg: GORGG Commemorative t-shirt
Re: gg: Yes/Prettyboy Trev..
Re: gg: How to play GG (with great difficulty!)
Re: gg: Mom's Apple Pie
gg: R Waters
gg: Re: Aussie Holiday
Re: gg: Re: To, Too, Toto mints in one (or Sand & Sherbet)
Re: gg: The Hunger Site Home - Donate Food for Free to Give to Feed Hungry People in th
gg: UK aficionados
gg: in search of essential CD joints
gg: RE: stuff and nonsense
Re: gg: Yes/Prettyboy Trev..
Re: gg: Freedom of expression
gg: Emerson and Knife Edge
RE: gg: Freedom of expression
Re: gg: Freedom of expression

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Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 18:18:12 -0700 (PDT)
From: JohnEric
Subject: gg: Wakeman / Emerson /Fripp

Great Thak! Someone slap me conscious! The world IS coming to an end?
This I thought I'd NEVER see. Next, I might witness a tour with Wakeman,
Emerson, and Fripp! It happened with Johnson, Satriani, and Vai ... so
anything is possible. By the way, I went to see the above named concert
here in Portland. It was OK, but I actually went to see Robert. What
class! Fripp came out while people were seating BEFORE the concert, and
sat down to play "Soundscapes". Man, I loved it. After his turn on
stage, he quietly picked up his guitar and casually went behind the stacks
to watch the audience and roadies for a while ... then disappeared. I
stayed for Vai, but then left. Nothing mattered after the man left the
stage. FRIPP! FRIPP! FRIPP!

JEE

- --- Meurer wrote:
> Wakeman and Emerson have plans for a series of concerts in America next
> summer (yes, together!!). Obviously, they first want to tour, release a
> live album / video, and then - in case of a good response - do a studio
> album!
>
> Someone wanted to know more about the Italian band Aufklaerung.
> They have released one album entitled de la tempesta...l'oscura piacere.
> It has been released by Pick Up Records in 95. For me, this is a typical
> Italian neo-prog band, maybe in some moments sounding a little bit like
> Genesis, but definitely no _must have_ for all Genesis fans. I think,
> for
> neo-prog fans this album will be okay. By the way, the guest vocalist
> is Chico Grosso, former singer of Italian/German band Asgard.
>
> Juergen
>
>
>
>
>


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Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 21:21:39 EDT
From: Claudio666@aol.com
Subject: Re: gg: Illusion

In a message dated 8/16/99 10:25:53 AM Mountain Daylight Time,
tatsurou@ibm.net writes:

<< Also there's "Enchanted Caress" (Promised Land 92152) which is a
compilation of
unreleased materials. On the CD insert there's description of various
releases from
Brisk Productions, London, England, including 75min VHS of McCarthy and
Cennamo's
Stairway concert (1988?). Unfortunately it says the offer expires December
1991, so
I don't know if any of those are still available. Anyone has any clue? >>

As luck would have it, Drew also scored a copy of this (Renaissance Records
RMED00162) (1996) that has a PO Box listed for CDs and videos. Complete list
send SASE to:
Mike Ober
PO Box 76430
Washington, D.C. 20013

What? No web page???

Claudio
n.d. yes indeedy
n.p Tolenen "Crossection" (Drew wants these you know)

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Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 18:31:28 -0700 (PDT)
From: JohnEric
Subject: gg: Antithesis of Prog

I would have to say that the true antithesis of progressive rock would be
the unbeatable Happy Flowers. Am I wrong? I don't think so . . . and
yet, I enjoy them. They've penned (pen?) such classics as "I don't need
another enema", "Let's eat the baby like my gerbils did", "Unhappy meal",
"Stop touching my food", "Finger in my Cracker Jacks", "My Evil Twin", "I
Said I Wanna Watch Cartoons", "Charlie Got a Haircut", and a lot more
greats we all remember from childhood. They are the only group that makes
me laugh anymore. I guess I'm jaded or something. For a noise band, they
are the real deal. Never say I neglected to suggest fine listening
entertainment to all of you conosuers.

JEE



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Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 21:32:49 -0400
From: Daniel Potvin
Subject: gg: Yes/Prettyboy Trev..

On Fri, 13 Aug 1999, Tomas wrote:

> I'm glad they [Yes] didn't give up. I whish some incarnation of GG
> (dosn't have to be the whole shebang) would make some music in the
> next millenium; maybe get Kerry, Ray, and Gary Green back together for
> some interesting acoustic work. There's enough good singers out there
> to work with them: might be nice to have Anderson do some singing for
> them.

I don't think that having J. Anderson as a GG singer is such a good idea

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Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 21:36:34 EDT
From: Claudio666@aol.com
Subject: Re: gg: GORGG Commemorative t-shirt

Great. So where do we send our hard earned money??? I want one.

Claudio

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Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 21:39:23 EDT
From: Claudio666@aol.com
Subject: Re: gg: Yes/Prettyboy Trev..

In a message dated 8/16/99 10:05:20 AM Mountain Daylight Time,
dloft@netcom.com writes:

<< Can anyone imagine Jon Anderson doing justice to "Peel the Paint,"
"Proclamation," "Just the Same" or even "On Reflection"? >>

Not in my worst nightmare. But somehow, I can hear Derek singing "Close to
the Edge"...

Claudio
n.d. obviously not enough...
n.p. Braves/Rockies I'm a glutton for punishment...

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Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 21:56:58 EDT
From: MogulHespa@aol.com
Subject: Re: gg: How to play GG (with great difficulty!)

writes:
<< Sorry if you feel insulted, there was no such intent. >>

Oh, dear me, I've gone and misrepresented myself again. No, I wasn't miffed.
Alas, I will have to admit to myself what I've really known was true -- that
there are overdubs galore on OOTW and PTF. I was clinging to the idea that my
boys were truly superhuman ... I know there were ways of emulating a "stereo
chorus" for a vocal track, even in the early 70's, and I was ready to assert
that all of the vocals in the a cappella fugue of the OOTW version of "On
Reflection" had been chorused, even though it's obvious that Derek's, at
least, were doubled. On "Knots", though, I am still not sure ... could be,
or not.
One of the Beatles' engineers -- I lent my Ultimate Recording Sessions (Mark
Lewisohn) to someone, and I can't remember the engineer's name -- not Geoff
Emerick -- invented a device for "doubling" a vocal track that was the first
to be called a "flanger" (Lennon's title). Though it worked on roughly the
same principle of splitting the signal in tow and slowing down half, the
effect was much closer to that of a chorus than the out-of-phase effect of
the flangers of today. I had hoped that the BBC studios had some early
"choruses" at their disposal with which to make Derek's vocals "ring" so ...
Well, at least I converted a friend of mine to the worship of Gentle Giant by
giving him a tape of OOTW as he embarked upon a long drive, and telling him
it was all live in the studio. Hell, he didn't know there were only 4 guys
... blew his mind.

Here's a question: are any of the recorder tracks overdubbed in the interlude
in "Knots"?

And another: who can remember the Beatles' engineer who invented what John
Lennon called "the flangy thing"?

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Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 22:04:51 -0700
From: "Frank Lauria"
Subject: Re: gg: Mom's Apple Pie

From: Diana Green


> Remember Mom's Apple Pie?

Used to have it, but traded it because the music was so unremarkable. I
didn't want to keep it just for the cover (don't tell me what it's worth
today...)

P-Frank

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Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 12:26:59 +1000
From: Michael_Taylor@rta.nsw.gov.au
Subject: gg: R Waters

Hi All
I was wondering if any one else has ever heard of Roger Waters
"Music From The Body"
I was on holiday in the USA a few years ago and at the time was in to
anything relating to Pink Floyd. I had discovered that R Waters had a
CD that he had released called "Music From The Body". Well having a lot of material
by Floyd already I was desperate to get hold of this and when I found it I thought I was the luckiest
person alive. That was until I got back to Australia and heard it.
It was terrible!!!!. Anyone else get burnt by this CD or similar.

Mick

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Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 20:47:20 -0600
From: Michael Eisenberg
Subject: gg: Re: Aussie Holiday

Hi all...i'm going to Australia in a few weeks, and I think there is someone here from there. Can that
person recommend any essential cd joints in either Sydney or Perth that I have to check out????

thanks...and you can do it off list...sorry for the waste of bandwidth

Michael
- --
Outré Music
Music Beyond Boundaries

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Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 04:42:13 +0200
From: casglatze@t-online.de (casglatze)
Subject: Re: gg: Re: To, Too, Toto mints in one (or Sand & Sherbet)

> Even if only to watch JLP (not the fusion violinist) pretend to
> play the STiCK. Then go out and buy a STiCK cd.

Oh yes, the stick. Just remembered that the first time I heard it was Levin on
"Discipline" (was that the first record it was used on?). I was flabbergasted
(how I love that word!). And when I saw KC live on that '81 tour - it was the
first gig at the small place in Aylesbury where KC, Genesis, Bowie, etc. used to
warm up for their tours - it knocked me out.
re: bass: I have to say that there are great bass guitarist. HOWEVER: I think
that it's not always the complicated-ness of the bass line that makes it great.
If it fits with the music, it might be easy, yet the greatest bass line in the
world (some examples? bass line on the Who's "The Real Me" and on Camel's
"Echoes". Especially the latter fits brilliantly into the song...thus: great
bass line!)
Back to bass-ics
Carsten the Krautmeister
n.p.: Neil (of the Young Ones): "Heavy Concept Album" (wot? You haven't heard
it? Then get going. It's a desert island disc. Music: Dave Stewart and Barbara
Gaskin - superb - lyrics/jokes: Neil. The perfect comedy AND music album!
n.p.: Thomas Dolby: 12 x 12 (Yessirreee!)

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Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 04:42:11 +0200
From: casglatze@t-online.de (casglatze)
Subject: Re: gg: The Hunger Site Home - Donate Food for Free to Give to Feed Hungry People in th

> np: GG: Ultrasonic '75
>
Hi, Diana,
what is the sound of this like? REALLY good...or what?
Carsten the Krautmeister

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Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 20:36:11 PDT
From: "Dan Weese"
Subject: gg: UK aficionados

As I re-invigourate all my flabby prog muscles, I have dusted off some old
UK cassettes and gave 'em a listen. I really don't know much detail about
the band, and would appreciate someone recommending a decent FAQ, if such a
thing exists.

UK seems to me rather like Cream, a band assembled from the virtuosi of
prog. I forgot how much I really loved this band, until I joined this list.
A back-handed thank you to all of you.


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Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 00:23:15 EDT
From: MogulHespa@aol.com
Subject: gg: in search of essential CD joints

Timidly, I ask . . .
I can't wait any more for the Polygram USA release of In A Glass House -- can
anyone recommend a great place in Manchester, Leeds, West London, or Surry
where my friend can pick up a copy of the album in some form for me?
I hate to admit that I don't have any recording of it!

I just had to ask . . . funny coincidence that meisenberg@earthlink.net had
just asked a similar question . . .
and as Michael just said:
<>

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Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 22:21:17 -0700 (PDT)
From: James Warren
Subject: gg: RE: stuff and nonsense

David Loftus wrote:
"[I think their version of "America" sucks; right down there with
Vanilla
Fudge's Beatles covers]"
- --HEY! I'm very fond of all of this... I spared IAGH insults and
indignity, per your request. Now you STEP OFF, Loftus! ;-)

JJW
(just playing around :-)

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Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 02:34:18 EDT
From: SPBrader@aol.com
Subject: Re: gg: Yes/Prettyboy Trev..

C-c-c-c-claudio writes:

<< Not in my worst nightmare. But somehow, I can hear Derek singing "Close
to
the Edge"... >>

My turn to shudder.

Si

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Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 02:34:15 EDT
From: SPBrader@aol.com
Subject: Re: gg: Freedom of expression

Jerry asked:

<< This made me think; is "yanked" slang for "airbrushed" or "censored",
then? >>

'Yank' = to pull with a quick, sharp action.

Si

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Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 08:51:46 +0200
From: "Frank B. Carvalho"
Subject: gg: Emerson and Knife Edge

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>Back to Emerson... Do you think he was intentionally cheating when he
>did Knife Edge, cheating the way you might cheat on your taxes? Or
>was there a screwup in the album cover production and the credit was
>left off? Or was it just a toon to honor Janacek and, for extra
>credit, challange the listeners to find the source.

I agree with you, Don. And what's more, on my old vinyl copy of
that album, Janacek IS actually credited! That led me to pick up
the original version which is to a large extent identical to the
ELP version. And funny enough I think the ELP version works better
that the original.
Also, that Ginastera Toccata was made with the composers full consent.
He was actually honoured that Emerson would make his piece, and liked
the result.

Cheers

Frank Carvalho

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>Back to Emerson...  Do you think he was intentionally cheating when he

>did Knife Edge, cheating the way you might cheat on your taxes?  Or
>was there a screwup in the album cover production and the credit was
>left off?  Or was it just a toon to honor Janacek and, for extra
>credit, challange the listeners to find the source.
I agree with you, Don. And what's more, on my old vinyl copy of
that album, Janacek IS actually credited! That led me to pick up
the original version which is to a large extent identical to the
ELP version. And funny enough I think the ELP version works better
that the original.
Also, that Ginastera Toccata was made with the composers full consent.
He was actually honoured that Emerson would make his piece, and liked
the result.
Cheers
Frank Carvalho
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Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 00:02:28 -0700
From: William Tindall
Subject: RE: gg: Freedom of expression

Simon, trying to be helpful, answered:

<< Jerry asked:

<< This made me think; is "yanked" slang for "airbrushed" or "censored",
then? >>

'Yank' = to pull with a quick, sharp action. >>

Which is why Americans are still called "Yanks". Not to mention Yankshire...which is NOT the home of Geordies. Though, mind you, it does produce some interesting language...
And wow, the shudder produced by the thought of Derek singing Close to the Edge is nothing short of..., umm...hey, I don't know. What a weird thought...

Bill "Didn't he sing about a River?" T

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Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 12:24:33 +0200
From: "Jorunn Nome & Bert Vijn"
Subject: Re: gg: Freedom of expression

> 'Yank' = to pull with a quick, sharp action.

C'mon, storyteller!
Yanking mom's apple pie or a whole bunch of nude groupies? You'll have to travel
farther with this kind of lies! ;^)
v-b

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