on-reflection-digest     Tuesday, August 17 1999     Volume 01 : Number 1824



Re: gg: R Waters
Re: gg: Controversial Covers
gg: In A Glass House
Re: gg: Antithesis of Prog
Re: gg: Yes/Prettyboy Trev..
Re: gg: Yes/Prettyboy Trev..
Re: gg: Re: To, Too, Toto mints in one (or Sand & Sherbet)
Re: gg: UK aficionados
RE: gg: Controversial Covers
gg: RE: stuff and nonsense
Re: gg: Bluebird; WBecker/SDan; Jeff Beck; to satisfy the hoax
Re: gg: How to play GG (with great difficulty!)
gg: re: GG:coming soon to a record shop near you?
gg: Berkeley 8/14
Re: gg: How to play GG (with great difficulty!)
gg: Jon as Giant; Yes's America; science accent; one black cloud; Mom's Apple Pie; Butcher cover; ELland
gg: Overdubs
gg: Non-GG: Renaissance
gg: G3 in Portland; Ultrasonic; Derek in Yes
gg: RE: Berkeley 8/14
Re: gg: re: GG:coming soon to a record shop near you?
Re: gg: Jon as Giant; Yes's America; science accent; one black cloud; Mom's Apple Pie; Butcher cover; ELland
Re: gg: Non-GG: Renaissance
Re: gg: Berkeley 8/14/ and Admin question
gg: Admin question
no gg:coming soon to a record shop near you?
gg: Re: Steely Dan
Re: gg: Re: Steely Dan
gg: Re: Non-GG: Renaissance
Re: gg: Jon as Giant; Yes's America; science accent; one black cloud;Mom's Apple Pie; Butcher cover; ELland
gg: Re: September GGetogether
gg: Re: Zawinul in Seattle
Re: gg: Antithesis of Prog
Re: gg:  Derek in Yes
re: nogg: spreak engritch and other silliness

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Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 09:54:40 -0400
From: Bob Angilly 
Subject: Re: gg: R Waters

I've had this for years and rather like it.  This was something Roger did with Ron Geesin
(English/Excentric composer who has a number of other albums in rerelease).  If you were expecting Pink
Floyd it definitely ain't.  Very silly in parts but much more interesting than the Syd Barrett albums.  I
once used this as the soundtrack of  a Library training video called "The Joy of Shelving".

Michael_Taylor@rta.nsw.gov.au wrote:

> Hi All
> I was wondering if any one else has ever heard of Roger Waters
> "Music From The Body"
> I was on holiday in the USA a few years ago and at the time was in to
> anything relating to Pink Floyd. I had discovered that R Waters had a
> CD that he had released called "Music From The Body". Well having a lot of material
> by Floyd already I was desperate to get hold of this and when I found it I thought I was the luckiest
> person alive. That was until I got back to Australia and heard it.
> It was terrible!!!!. Anyone else get burnt by this CD or similar.
>
> Mick

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Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 10:08:35 -0400
From: Bob Angilly 
Subject: Re: gg: Controversial Covers

Other Controversial covers:

ROY  HARPER -- HQ  (cover has Roy walking across water, wouldn't play well in the Bible Belt), album
was renamed "When An Old Cricketer Leaves the Crease" with a different cover entirely (Roy with a
Cricket Bat and the rules on the back).  When the CD came out it had reproductions of both covers so
it could be sold in the UK with the HQ cover and in the US with the Cricketer cover.

ROXY MUSIC -- Country Life    This cover with two semi-nude models against a backdrop of ferns was
originally sold in the US with opaque shrink wrap, it was also released with a censored cover (no
ladies just the ferns).

PINK FLOYD -- Wish You Were Here   Was originally sold in the US with opaque shrink wrap but I'm not
sure if this was censorship or some obtuse marketing gimick.

PINK FLOYD --  A Nice Pair (first two albums as a twofer) was modified slightly to eliminate some
breasts.

Jeff Smith wrote:

> >...How about Hendrix's Electric Ladyland cover?  I have the original
> >nude groupie cover- have never met anyone else who has it.  I always
> >wondered how many were printed before it was yanked.  -David Eric
>
> I have it.  My copy is the British pressing.  I don't know if they ever
> released this cover in the US.  Another one of these is Golden Earring's
> Moontan (remember Radar Love?).  I've got the original US release with the
> hardly revealing nude on the cover.  I think there was a picture of some
> guy's ass on the back - maybe that's why it was replaced.  You can tell some
> record company executive designed the subsequent cover - a blow up of an ear
> with a gold earring - how original!
>
> On the Relayer, Heavy Metal thread, pull up Gentle Giant Power & The Glory
> (import) - it's heavy metal too!  I guess Cog in Cogs is some kick-ass heavy
> metal.
>
> np: Arthur's copy of Porcupine Tree - The Sky Moves Sideways
>
> Jeff Smith

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Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 11:00:25 -0400
From: "Stephen Shores @ work :P" 
Subject: gg: In A Glass House

>Timidly, I ask . . . 
>I can't wait any more for the Polygram USA release of In A Glass House -- >can 
>anyone recommend a great place in Manchester, Leeds, West London, or >Surry 
>where my friend can pick up a copy of the album in some form for me? 
>I hate to admit that I don't have any recording of it!  

Michael,

	I can't admit any knowledge of England (never been outside the US aside
from a brief visit to Canada) but I can attest to the difficulty of
finding IAGH. Red Steel (formerly Terrapin) doesn't even have any left,
and I've called them several times.

	If you can't find any stores with it, I would have someone over there
make you a CD-R copy of it. I'm not sure how _legal_ that is, but if
it's out of print, it's out of print, and at least you'd have a copy
until the Polygram release arrives. 

	If you can't find anyone 'on that side of the pond' that'll do it, I
can make you a copy if you can send me your address.

Stephen

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Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 08:44:13 -0700 (PDT)
From: "David J. Loftus" 
Subject: Re: gg: Antithesis of Prog

On Mon, 16 Aug 1999, JohnEric wrote:

> I would have to say that the true antithesis of progressive rock would be
> the unbeatable Happy Flowers.  Am I wrong?  I don't think so . . . and
> yet, I enjoy them.  They've penned (pen?) such classics as "I don't need
> another enema", "Let's eat the baby like my gerbils did", "Unhappy meal",
> "Stop touching my food",  "Finger in my Cracker Jacks", "My Evil Twin", "I
> Said I Wanna Watch Cartoons", "Charlie Got a Haircut", and a lot more
> greats we all remember from childhood.  They are the only group that makes
> me laugh anymore.  I guess I'm jaded or something.  For a noise band, they
> are the real deal.  Never say I neglected to suggest fine listening
> entertainment to all of you conosuers.


Not familiar with them.  How do they compare to Butthole Surfers?  Or 
Dead Kennedys?  Are those bands in the running for most anti-prog, or am 
I not grasping your conceptual approach to the question?


David Loftus

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Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 08:44:44 -0700 (PDT)
From: "David J. Loftus" 
Subject: Re: gg: Yes/Prettyboy Trev..

On Mon, 16 Aug 1999, Daniel Potvin wrote:

> On Fri, 13 Aug 1999, Tomas wrote:
> 
> > I'm glad they [Yes] didn't give up.  I whish some incarnation of GG 
> > (dosn't have to be the whole shebang) would make some music in the 
> > next millenium; maybe get Kerry, Ray, and Gary Green back together for 
> > some interesting acoustic work.  There's enough good singers out there 
> > to work with them: might be nice to have Anderson do some singing for 
> > them.
> 
>  I don't think that having J. Anderson as a GG singer is such a good idea  



Monsieur Potvin is a master of the understatement.


David Loftus

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Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 08:47:07 -0700 (PDT)
From: "David J. Loftus" 
Subject: Re: gg: Yes/Prettyboy Trev..

On Mon, 16 Aug 1999 Claudio666@aol.com wrote:

> In a message dated 8/16/99 10:05:20 AM Mountain Daylight Time, 
> dloft@netcom.com writes:
> 
> << Can anyone imagine Jon Anderson doing justice to "Peel the Paint," 
>  "Proclamation," "Just the Same" or even "On Reflection"? >>
> 
> Not in my worst nightmare.  But somehow, I can hear Derek singing 
> "Close to the Edge"...


Or "Roundabout"!

"Yours Is No Disgrace"!

Besides, EITHER Ray or Gary could handle "Mood for a Day" or "The Clap" 
in his sleep.



David Loftus

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Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 08:53:26 -0700 (PDT)
From: "David J. Loftus" 
Subject: Re: gg: Re: To, Too, Toto mints in one (or Sand & Sherbet)

On Tue, 17 Aug 1999, casglatze wrote:

> re: bass: I have to say that there are great bass guitarist. HOWEVER: 
> I think that it's not always the complicated-ness of the bass line 
> that makes it great. 
> If it fits with the music, it might be easy, yet the greatest bass 
> line in the world (some examples? bass line on the Who's "The Real Me" 
> and on Camel's "Echoes". Especially the latter fits brilliantly into 
> the song...thus: great bass line!)


An example I'd cite is McCartney's bass line on the verses of "With A 
Little Help From My Friends" -- so sinuous yet casual, and such a 
contrast to the mundanity of the bass line on the chorus!


David Loftus

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Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 08:54:26 -0700 (PDT)
From: "David J. Loftus" 
Subject: Re: gg: UK aficionados

On Mon, 16 Aug 1999, Dan Weese wrote:

> UK seems to me rather like Cream, a band assembled from the virtuosi of 
> prog.  I forgot how much I really loved this band, until I joined this 
> list.
>   A back-handed thank you to all of you.


You're slapping us?!!!



David Loftus

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Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 09:04:50 -0700
From: William Tindall 
Subject: RE: gg: Controversial Covers

Bob wrote:

Other Controversial covers:

ROY  HARPER 
ROXY MUSIC 
PINK FLOYD
PINK FLOYD 

 	What?  No Blind Faith?  You know, I have "The Pros and Cons of Hitchhiking", too.  I also cherish that RM album, simply for "Out of the Blue".  I still say it's prog.  But then, I would...

Bill T

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Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 09:01:58 -0700 (PDT)
From: "David J. Loftus" 
Subject: gg: RE: stuff and nonsense

On Mon, 16 Aug 1999, James Warren wrote:

> David Loftus wrote:
> "[I think their version of "America" sucks;  right down there with
> Vanilla 
> Fudge's Beatles covers]"
> --HEY! I'm very fond of all of this... I spared IAGH insults and
> indignity, per your request.  Now you STEP OFF, Loftus! ;-)
> 
>                      JJW
>                  (just playing around :-)


Thanks for noticing.

Actually, I LOVE VG's turgid treatment of other covers -- "Windmills of 
Your Mind" and their incredible version of Donovan's "Season of the 
Witch" ... which is what inspired my Dad to buy their _Renaissance_ album 
although he never much liked most other rock -- more because it dominated 
the AM & FM airwaves and pushed most classical and jazz to the nether 
regions of the dial and even off the air altogether than because there 
wasn't stuff for him to like.  He heard "Witch" on FM once and 
immediately went out and bought the album when I must have been about 
eight.  In later years, as I went through my Creedence, Deep Purple, Yes, 
ELP, GG, and other phases, he mostly ignored what I put on the stereo 
system, but if I happened to put on _Renaissance_, he invariably perked 
up and said, "Hey, is that Vanilla Fudge?"  Odd fellow, my Dad.

I might never have heard anything but VG's Supremes cover/single if not 
for that.  I just don't think it works for a song like "Ticket to Ride."

As veterans of O-R know, I never give up plugging _Renaissance_ as a 
truly underrated classic of American psychedelic/acid rock.  And except 
for the Donovan, all original material!


David Loftus

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Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 11:16:39 +0000
From: Diana Green 
Subject: Re: gg: Bluebird; WBecker/SDan; Jeff Beck; to satisfy the hoax

hail;
re:


Scott Steele wrote:

> >Q:  Does Steely Dan count as prog?
>
> Nope.  No mellotrons.  ;)  But it counts as music with brains.

I wonder.. a cover of Duke Ellington's East St. Louis Toodle-oo by a band that, like 10CC, set out to deconstruct and revamp the three minute song has to be worth a line or two in SOMEBODY'S prog book...
still,
dg
np: Cyril Pahinui: 6 and 12 string slack key

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Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 12:38:12 -0400
From: "dr" 
Subject: Re: gg: How to play GG (with great difficulty!)

- -----Message d'origine-----
De : MogulHespa@aol.com 
À : drob@oricom.ca 
Cc : on-reflection@lists.uoregon.edu 
Date : 16 août, 1999 22:18
Objet : Re: gg: How to play GG (with great difficulty!)


>
>Well, at least I converted a friend of mine to the worship of Gentle Giant
by
>giving him a tape of OOTW as he embarked upon a long drive, and telling him
>it was all live in the studio. Hell, he didn't know there were only 4 guys
>... blew his mind.
>

Ha ! That's good ! I've had roughly the same experience with the '74 video
concert (TPATG tour) that comes from Richard Blouin. My friend watched in
disbelief while Ray and Kerry alternatively took control of the bass,
violin, trumpet, cello, vibes, etc. "How many f*** instruments do these guys
play?"
:-)
DR

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Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 11:42:55 +0000
From: Diana Green 
Subject: gg: re: GG:coming soon to a record shop near you?

hail;
while deciding what to play the other day, I came across an old tape of
a John Williams double album, Changes/ the Hieght Below. This precursor
to Sky has some mawkish moments and is often brilliant. I checked the JW
web page and it's never been out on cd!
A while back we ran a thread on great albums that should be out on CD.
In addition to the above, I'd include an American release of In A Glass
House and Harry Chapin's Legends of the Lost and Found, one of the great
live albums of all time in my poorly indexed book. Anoyne else?
still,
dg
np: Cyril Pahinui

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Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 12:45:13 EDT
From: "Virginia Landgraf" 
Subject: gg: Berkeley 8/14

This is about a GGettoGGether that wasn't -- Bill T couldn't make it because 
of circumstances not under his control, and he said that Larry Buchalter 
(who had asked about wheelchair accommodations) hadn't replied to his e-mail 
saying that we would take care of it.  In retrospect, I can understand that 
people in wheelchairs might not want to wait for walking people to lift them 
places -- next time I plan a GGettoGGether in Berkeley, I'll have it at a 
wheelchair-accessible restaurant.  Any suggestions?  (The main reason for 
having it at the Dara was because I wanted people to have a chance to try 
Lao food, plus I knew from experience that their food is good and very 
reasonably priced).

At any rate, I had lunch at the restaurant with a friend who knows nothing 
about GG (she spent the 70's as a missionary in North Africa), then walked 
up to the Campanile (UC Berkeley bell tower) and played kaen for about an 
hour and a half (a wonderful way to spend the afternoon), and then got my 
hands dusty poring through the Amoeba Music bargain bins (total take: 10 
CD's for a total of less than $60.  I figure that my birthday is in less 
than 2 weeks and my parents aren't going to buy me rock CD's -- they don't 
think it's evil, just don't like shopping for it -- so what the heck).

Bill, I hope the circumstances which prevented you from coming to Berkeley 
have cleared up.

Ginny


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Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 12:49:24 EDT
From: MogulHespa@aol.com
Subject: Re: gg: How to play GG (with great difficulty!)

drob@oricom.ca writes:

<< the '74 video
 concert (TPATG tour) that comes from Richard Blouin. >>

Um . . . how do I get a copy of that?!

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Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 10:02:09 -0700
From: "Scott Steele" 
Subject: gg: Jon as Giant; Yes's America; science accent; one black cloud; Mom's Apple Pie; Butcher cover; ELland

>>might be nice to have Anderson do some singing for them.

>Oh god, no!  Absolutely not.  Can anyone imagine Jon Anderson doing justice to "Peel the Paint," "Proclamation," "Just the Same" or even "On Reflection"?

Maybe Just the Same, in a different key.  Probably On Reflection would have been OK.  It would be great to hear Jon sing the tunes that Kerry sung.  But it would have been a different band entirely if everyone was writing for Jon's vocals instead of Derek's.

How about Ian Gillan on I Lost My Head?

>[I think their version of "America" sucks;  right down there with Vanilla Fudge's Beatles covers]

Ha!  Then you probably also hate "Something's Coming" too?

>BTW, Ant, I reserve my original accent to entertain the likes of
you on nights out. My posh science accent is used very sparingly.

Babs maintains her posh science accent for most Oregonians.  Her Massachusetts roots show up only when she's tired, or when she's showing off for me.  ;)

>Also, one big black cloud wrecked my view of the eclipse in Le
Havre.

Stupid clouds, don't they know when something important is going on?

>.

And the pie is remarkably qualified to be serviceable for the young man in the new movie called American Pie.

>I believe that "BUTCHER BABIES"? Beatles cover is worth a lot
of money.

At one time it was worth $200 in Portland, when I worked for a short time at the used record store.  I don't think it's that valuable anymore.

Diana tells us about the reissue of Mom's Apple Pie:

>As an amendment to the above, when the album was reissued, the windows were replaced with barbed wire with armed guards skulking behind it, the center of the pie where once rested the vagina was bricked in, and the salivation from the woman's mouth and been replaced with a tear from her eye. Quite the cogent commentary; much more effective than the original cover in my
book!

I didn't know that!  What a great commentary on censorship by the artist - if only they had come up with something that clever for the new Tull album!

>np: Arthur's copy of Porcupine Tree - The Sky Moves Sideways

Arthur!  Arthur!

>>I have the original nude groupie cover- have never met anyone else who has it.  I always wondered how many were printed before it was yanked.

>This made me think; is "yanked" slang for "airbrushed" or "censored", then?

Yanked in this case means pulled from the shelves - but that never happened.  The nude cover was from the English label Track; the American label Reprise never used it.  - S.

np:  Happy the Man, Retrospective  (I am so glad that the original releases are coming out on One Way Records!)

scottst@ohsu.edu

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Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 10:15:20 PDT
From: "Henrik Johansson" 
Subject: gg: Overdubs

>Anyway, even PTF was supposedly a 'real' live record ( i.e. no overdubs) 
>but
>the guys admitted later there were a few...
>DR

Yes, there are overdums. The clavinet was redone in the studio, but no 
overdubs have been made in a way that the song would be "unplayable" if you 
know what I mean. It's not a question of adding am instrument, but rather 
rerecording it.

The clavinet (placed on top of an electric piano, not certain whether it's a 
Wurlizer or a Rhodes) was said to have a very disturbing transformer noise 
and was redone in order to eliminate that.


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Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 13:26:27 -0400
From: "Yurchison, Gerry" 
Subject: gg: Non-GG: Renaissance

Renaissance is slated to release a 2 CD collection, 'the BBC Sessions" on or
about October 19th this year.
There may be new material included.

						Gerryy




> > David Loftus wrote:
	>As veterans of O-R know, I never give up plugging _Renaissance_ as
a 
	>truly underrated classic of American psychedelic/acid rock.  And
except 
	>for the Donovan, all original material!

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Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 10:36:43 -0700
From: "Scott Steele" 
Subject: gg: G3 in Portland; Ultrasonic; Derek in Yes

John Eric (David Eric's long lost brother) and I both attended G3 in Portland.

>By the way, I went to see the above named concert here in Portland.  It was OK, but I actually went to see Robert.  What
class!  Fripp came out while people were seating BEFORE the concert, and sat down to play "Soundscapes".

Much of his stuff happened before they let us in the gate!  I explained to the nice young lady that this was the guy we had come to see - the rest of them were superfluous.  They let us in - cool!

>Man, I loved it.  After his turn on stage, he quietly picked up his guitar and casually went behind the stacks to watch the audience and roadies for a while ... then disappeared.  I stayed for Vai, but then left.  Nothing mattered after the man left the stage.  FRIPP! FRIPP! FRIPP!

Then you missed his solo on Red House.  Twisted twisted twisted!

Wasn't Keneally a genius?  Both with Fripp and with Vai.  What an amazing dude.

>> np: GG: Ultrasonic '75

>Hi, Diana, what is the sound of this like? REALLY good...or what?

It's good Carsten!  You need it.

>And wow, the shudder produced by the thought of Derek singing Close to the Edge is nothing short of..., umm...hey, I don't know.  What a weird thought...

How about Derek's reedy tone, straining to get up to the note, on "look right away, look right away"?  As old as you're young, - S.

np:  Moraz/Bruford, Flags

scottst@ohsu.edu

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Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 11:30:12 -0700
From: William Tindall 
Subject: gg: RE: Berkeley 8/14

Gin 'n' Kaenic,

<>

	Amoeba rocks.  I could spend weeks there.  Next time you're there, look for my Eric Dolphy collection.   They made me one of those offers...and Happy Birthday! 

<< Bill, I hope the circumstances which prevented you from coming to Berkeley 
have cleared up.>>

	They have indeed, and thank you.  Sometimes things have to get really ugly before they get pretty.  Things are pretty pretty, now.  I'm still handsome, but I can't help that...

Bill  

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Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 13:36:39 -0700 (PDT)
From: "David J. Loftus" 
Subject: Re: gg: re: GG:coming soon to a record shop near you?

On Tue, 17 Aug 1999, Diana Green wrote:

> hail;
> while deciding what to play the other day, I came across an old tape of
> a John Williams double album, Changes/ the Hieght Below. This precursor
> to Sky has some mawkish moments and is often brilliant. I checked the JW
> web page and it's never been out on cd!
> A while back we ran a thread on great albums that should be out on CD.
> In addition to the above, I'd include an American release of In A Glass
> House and Harry Chapin's Legends of the Lost and Found, one of the great
> live albums of all time in my poorly indexed book. Anoyne else?


Vanilla Fudge's _Renaissance_, while we're on the subject.

And somebody assured me Godley & Creme's _L_ was once issued on CD, but 
I've never seen it.  (I have CDs of "Ismism/Snack Attack" and "Freeze 
Frame.")  Bring that one back, please.

I don't suppose Catfish Hodge's _The Boogieman Gonna Get You_ ever made 
it to CD...?

David Loftus

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Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 13:41:24 -0700 (PDT)
From: "David J. Loftus" 
Subject: Re: gg: Jon as Giant; Yes's America; science accent; one black cloud; Mom's Apple Pie; Butcher cover; ELland

On Tue, 17 Aug 1999, Scott Steele wrote:

> >[I think their version of "America" sucks;  right down there with 
> >Vanilla Fudge's Beatles covers]
> 
> Ha!  Then you probably also hate "Something's Coming" too?

You got it.  When Yes does it, bien sur.


> >I believe that "BUTCHER BABIES"? Beatles cover is worth a lot
> >of money.
> 
> At one time it was worth $200 in Portland, when I worked for a short 
> time at the used record store.  I don't think it's that valuable anymore.

I remember seeing it for sale in that neighborhood -- one of those places 
just off 11th and Burnside, I think -- a few years back.  Why do you 
think the value has fallen, Scott?


David Loftus

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Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 13:44:49 -0700 (PDT)
From: "David J. Loftus" 
Subject: Re: gg: Non-GG: Renaissance

On Tue, 17 Aug 1999, Yurchison, Gerry wrote:

> Renaissance is slated to release a 2 CD collection, 'the BBC Sessions" on or
> about October 19th this year.
> There may be new material included.
> 
> 						Gerryy
> 

> > > David Loftus wrote:
> >As veterans of O-R know, I never give up plugging _Renaissance_ as
> >a truly underrated classic of American psychedelic/acid rock.  And
> >except for the Donovan, all original material!


Just in case anyone else is confused, I was speaking of an album by 
Vanilla Fudge entitled _Renaissance_, not the band by that name.


David Loftus

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Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 14:05:49 -0700
From: Lawrence Buchalter 
Subject: Re: gg: Berkeley 8/14/ and Admin question

hello-

I got to the restaurant  at about 3 pm. I was in a motorized chair so I
doubt you could have gotten me up in there in any event. In regard to your
email Bill
Eudora Light deleted all my postings from 12/97 to 8/12/99 so I never saw it.
Thank you Virginia , Bill and any others who extended themselves to assist
me. I appreciate you.

To the list admin and members-
Can I GET OLD POSTINGS OR DIGESTS of on-reflection members please so that I
can read what I missed or haven't gotten to yet?

thanks
Larry:>)


At 12:45 PM 8/17/99 EDT, Virginia Landgraf wrote:
>This is about a GGettoGGether that wasn't -- Bill T couldn't make it because 
>of circumstances not under his control, and he said that Larry Buchalter 
>(who had asked about wheelchair accommodations) hadn't replied to his e-mail 
>saying that we would take care of it.  In retrospect, I can understand that 
>people in wheelchairs might not want to wait for walking people to lift them 
>places -- next time I plan a GGettoGGether in Berkeley, I'll have it at a 
>wheelchair-accessible restaurant.  Any suggestions?  (The main reason for 
>having it at the Dara was because I wanted people to have a chance to try 
>Lao food, plus I knew from experience that their food is good and very 
>reasonably priced).
>
>At any rate, I had lunch at the restaurant with a friend who knows nothing 
>about GG (she spent the 70's as a missionary in North Africa), then walked 
>up to the Campanile (UC Berkeley bell tower) and played kaen for about an 
>hour and a half (a wonderful way to spend the afternoon), and then got my 
>hands dusty poring through the Amoeba Music bargain bins (total take: 10 
>CD's for a total of less than $60.  I figure that my birthday is in less 
>than 2 weeks and my parents aren't going to buy me rock CD's -- they don't 
>think it's evil, just don't like shopping for it -- so what the heck).
>
>Bill, I hope the circumstances which prevented you from coming to Berkeley 
>have cleared up.
>
>Ginny
>
>
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>
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Berkeley California
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Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 18:02:11 EDT
From: "Virginia Landgraf" 
Subject: gg: Admin question

>To the list admin and members-
>Can I GET OLD POSTINGS OR DIGESTS of on-reflection members please so that I
>can read what I missed or haven't gotten to yet?
>
>thanks
>Larry:>)

On-reflection has its digests indexed by the majordomo program, so they're 
all retrievable.  To see a list of digests by date, send the e-mail

index on-reflection-digest

as the body of a message to majordomo@lists.uoregon.edu.

At the end of the index retrievable by this command there is also a list of 
majordomo commands.

To retrieve a specific digest, send the e-mail

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as the body of a message to majordomo@lists.uoregon.edu, and the majordomo 
will send it to the e-mail from which you addressed the message.

Ginny (who has probably spent too much time with majordomo lists in the past 
4 years for the comfort of the PTS graduate program)


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Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 20:18:41 +0100
From: Bob Taylor 
Subject: no gg:coming soon to a record shop near you?

In message <37B94ABF.55791101@earthlink.net>, Diana Green
 writes
>hail;
>while deciding what to play the other day, I came across an old tape of
>a John Williams double album, Changes/ the Hieght Below. This precursor
>to Sky has some mawkish moments and is often brilliant. I checked the JW
>web page and it's never been out on cd!

You can get a disc called "John Williams - Portrait"
which contains some of the stuff from this era;
record label is called Success.
One of the twelve tracks on it is in fact The Height Below.
There aren't any decent notes to indicate where each of the tracks
is taken from on my copy (or even which year!).
Air On a G-String is on the CD, too.

Bob

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Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 17:24:25 -0500
From: Jim Klocek 
Subject: gg: Re: Steely Dan

Ah, the Dan de Steel...what bittersweet memories!

Introduced to them late in Sophomore year in high school (by my friend Stan,
who for the life of me was a spitting image of Walter Becker).
Bought every album and played them til the grooves were worn to oblivion.
Bought em again.

Flash forward to 1985...my soon-to-be ex-wife calls me at my temporary
residence (living with a dear friend)
and asks me to watch the kids so she and her boyfriend can go to a local
stadium and see Steely Dan.  Problem is the stadium is in the same town
where I am living.  I am seeing many shades of red and ask her why she
doesn't drop by my temporary residence on her way to or from the concert so
we can have a drink
(of vitriol).

Didn't listen to much Steely Dan for several years, except maybe for "The
Nightly" cause I just love "Walk Between the Raindrops" and "I.G.Y".

Start to get back into Steely Dan.  Go to a New Year's Eve party down the
block where the only music played
is side 1 of "Aja", over and over and over and over and over again (vinyl,
no less).  Decide not to listen to "Aja" (one of my faves) for about 5
years.

I still think the best one was "Can't Buy a Thrill".

Jim

np: Iggy Pop, Nude and Rude
nd: MGD Light

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Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 19:55:44 EDT
From: WhytePunk@aol.com
Subject: Re: gg: Re: Steely Dan

In a message dated 08/17/1999 6:30:00 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
jimklo@megsinet.net writes:

<< Start to get back into Steely Dan.  Go to a New Year's Eve party down the
 block where the only music played
 is side 1 of "Aja", over and over and over and over and over again (vinyl,
 no less).  Decide not to listen to "Aja" (one of my faves) for about 5
 years.
 
 I still think the best one was "Can't Buy a Thrill".
 
 Jim >>

Jim,
      I think I have a video somewhere with Donald Fagan, Walter Becker, 
Michael McDonald and co. doing a few songs and it is really cool.  I don't 
know if you collect/trade videos etc...But if you'd like perhaps (if you 
don't already have it) I could make you a copy.
I believe they interview Donald and Michael also...It's fairly recent. 

Neil

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Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 18:04:26 -0400
From: "drj_saro" 
Subject: gg: Re: Non-GG: Renaissance

- -----Original Message-----
From: Yurchison, Gerry 

>Renaissance is slated to release a 2 CD collection, 'the BBC Sessions" on
or
>about October 19th this year.
>There may be new material included.


no, there will _not_ be any new material included.
unless you define "new" very loosely to include previously unreleased live
versions (of songs that are available as studio versions) .  this is all
archive material.    see the Renaissance web-site (Northern Lights),  or
Annie Haslam's web-site, or the Wounded Bird Records web-site for specifics.

thank you for your time and attention.

Julius J. SAROKA
drj_saro@neo.rr.com
Cuyahoga Falls OHIO

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Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 21:09:04 -0400
From: Tomas 
Subject: Re: gg: Jon as Giant; Yes's America; science accent; one black cloud;Mom's Apple Pie; Butcher cover; ELland

At 10:02 AM 8/17/1999 -0700, Scott Steele wrote:

>Maybe Just the Same, in a different key.  Probably On Reflection would
have been OK.  It would be great to hear Jon sing the tunes that Kerry sung.

I've loved the Jon Anderson as GG vocalist response!  Actually, when I
wrote it I was thinking about Kerry's music, which I think Jon would do
quite well.

How about Ronnie Jame Dio for Derek's parts?

:-)


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Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 18:36:09 -0700 (PDT)
From: JohnEric 
Subject: gg: Re: September GGetogether

That works well for me.  

JEE

- --- "David J. Loftus"  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> Scott Steele has proposed 4:00 p.m. Sunday, Sept. 12, for a local Gentle
> 
> Giant fans get-together at his place outside Troutdale, to visit, listen
> to 
> music, see GG video footage, and so on.  I'll bring my album posters, 
> "Spooky Boogie" 45, Little Brown Bag and lollipop again, for those who 
> didn't see them.
> 
> Anybody have a problem with this timeslot?
> 
> 
> David Loftus
> 

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Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 18:42:00 -0700 (PDT)
From: JohnEric 
Subject: gg: Re: Zawinul in Seattle

Excellent!  This is now #1 on my growing list, along with new Mahavishnu,
Tull, 2 Morton Subotnicks, and I found "A Rainbow in Curved Air" on CD. 
the list is getting up there.

JEE

- --- Scott Steele  wrote:
> His last album World Tour has drums, percussion, bass, guitar, and
> himself on keyboards.  He sounds like Weather Report only new and
> improved; it's not a collaboration anymore since Wayne isn't with him,
> it's all about him now, which is not bad, just different.  I'd say he
> sounds like Weather Report with higher intensity.  - S.
> 
> >>> JohnEric  08/16 6:06 PM >>>
> I've never heard him on his own.  Would you mind describing his solo
> sound, and what his backup instrumentalist preferences are?
> 
> JEE
> 
> --- Scott Steele  wrote:
> > I think I have to go see him.  His last record, the 2-cd set World
> Tour,
> > is so hot it defies belief.  He is playing at Jazz Alley in Seattle
> from
> > Tues 8/24 through Sun 8/29.  I think I want to go on the Sunday but I
> am
> > open to suggestion on that, if anyone else wants to go too.  - S.
> > 
> > 
> 
> 
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Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 18:45:11 -0700 (PDT)
From: JohnEric 
Subject: Re: gg: Antithesis of Prog

I could not compare, or would not compare, Happy Flowers to anyone.  They
defined their own niche; which could be why I gravitated toward them.  HF
does come off with some inovative noise/sounds to back their comedy.

JEE

- --- "David J. Loftus"  wrote:
> 
> 
> On Mon, 16 Aug 1999, JohnEric wrote:
> 
> > I would have to say that the true antithesis of progressive rock would
> be
> > the unbeatable Happy Flowers.  Am I wrong?  I don't think so . . . and
> > yet, I enjoy them.  They've penned (pen?) such classics as "I don't
> need
> > another enema", "Let's eat the baby like my gerbils did", "Unhappy
> meal",
> > "Stop touching my food",  "Finger in my Cracker Jacks", "My Evil
> Twin", "I
> > Said I Wanna Watch Cartoons", "Charlie Got a Haircut", and a lot more
> > greats we all remember from childhood.  They are the only group that
> makes
> > me laugh anymore.  I guess I'm jaded or something.  For a noise band,
> they
> > are the real deal.  Never say I neglected to suggest fine listening
> > entertainment to all of you conosuers.
> 
> 
> Not familiar with them.  How do they compare to Butthole Surfers?  Or 
> Dead Kennedys?  Are those bands in the running for most anti-prog, or am
> 
> I not grasping your conceptual approach to the question?
> 
> 
> David Loftus
> 

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Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 22:29:22 EDT
From: Claudio666@aol.com
Subject: Re: gg:  Derek in Yes

In a message dated 8/17/99 11:47:40 AM Mountain Daylight Time, 
scottst@ohsu.edu writes:

<< How about Derek's reedy tone, straining to get up to the note, on "look 
right away, look right away"? >>

Well, in my mind's player, I envisioned Derek's vocals an octave lower on 
"Close to the Edge".  Envision it.  Real balls singing "Now that you find, 
Now that you're whole"...

Claudio
n.d. Heileman's Special Ex (a vastly underrated beer now owned by Miller who 
will probably screw it up or delete it...)
n.p. More dreaded Rockies baseball, but I'm a homer.  Like a car wreck, I 
just can't look away!

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Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 23:35:18 +0000
From: Toby Trott 
Subject: re: nogg: spreak engritch and other silliness

Wacky Racontuers,


    Many of us seem to overlook the fact that not everyone in this group
is 
a native American. Many of the folks out there don't speak english as their
native tongue (or only tongue as is the case for far too many of us, I fear).
I really appreciate the efforts non-native-english folks make to speak/write
in our language, since I cannot reciprocate in their language. With this
in 
mind, I wish somebody had taken a couple of recent questions a little more
seriosly, instead of the few silly answers that were given.


 William Tindall asked:
> Does anyone in USA or mainland Europe for that matter, know what a cinema 
> is?

A cinema is a movie theatre...a place where motion pictures are shown.
Most 
of them also feature overpriced refreshments as well :).

Jerry Bartlett inquired,
> after all the hoohah about the new JTull cover being OK in UK but Non U
> in US, comes this from David - Eric
> 
> >I don't remember that one.  Can you elucidate?  How about Hendrix's
> >Electric
> >Ladyland cover?  I have the original nude groupie cover- have never met
> >anyone else who has it.  I always wondered how many were printed before it
> >was yanked.
> 
> This made me think; is "yanked" slang for "airbrushed" or "censored", then?
> /Jerry Formerly in Sweden

Someone did correctly reply "to be pulled forceably", but that isn't the
whole 
picture. To clarify, in this case "yank" refers to removing the record
from 
distribution, taking it out of circulation, and replacing the product
with one
with a different cover. This basically is a form of censorship, under
the dubious
pretence of "protecting our youth from corruption", like album cover art has
been the inspiration for some young kid to go on a rape rampage or some such
thing. I'm soooo glad we have such good folks looking out for us, and protecting
us from such danger. I could make a remark about how so many other
things in our 
society seem to slip past these protectors attention, but that would be getting
dangerously political.

Now, perhaps I am the fool, since Bill and Jerry both have reasonably english
sounding names, but I'm willing to live with my mistake if that is the case.

tangentially:

Claudio notes: 
> dloft@netcom.com writes: 
> << Can anyone imagine Jon Anderson doing justice to "Peel the Paint," 
>  "Proclamation," "Just the Same" or even "On Reflection"? >>
> 
> Not in my worst nightmare.  But somehow, I can hear Derek singing "Close to 
> the Edge"...

Let us not forget that we may have never heard Kerry and the Shulmans collaborate,
since Elton John once applied for that job. If you think Genesis or Yes
sold out,
imagine what would have happenned to our BITB under Eltons direction?
The mind 
whirls. Sadly, they may have sold a lot more records, but I think the
world would
have been an emptier place. Where, perchance, would Kerry have gone if
Elton had 
gotten the job?

Toby
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