on-reflection-digest Friday, September 3 1999 Volume 01 : Number 1847 gg: First Album Re: gg: NOGG: New Tull Re: gg: First Album Re: gg: NOGG: New Tull Re: gg: NOGG: New Tull gg: Photo FX RE: gg: "AtT" Re: gg: NOGG: New Tull Re: gg: NOGG: Tull Review gg: noGG: FZ tributes gg: Re: noGG: FZ tributes Re: gg: NOGG: Tull Review gg: first album purchase; next album purchase?; Jethro Tull gg: Cat Teaser! gg: Re: Buy Tull before live! gg: Re: re: GG; first album; gigs; Crimson; OR; in my absence and BTW Re: gg: This should get your attention. gg: New Tull: more thoughts gg: Re: Poll II gg: Re: Yes Close to the Edge Re: gg: NOGG: New Tull Re: gg: NOGG: Tull Review gg: First album gg: Mammiepoll ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 22:49:20 -0400 From: Daniel Potvin Subject: gg: First Album Hi I bought my first album in 77 " Going for the one " actually it was a 8-track cassette. The only thing i hated about those 8-track is that songs were cut. For example " Turn of the century " started on the first track and ended on the second one the same thing happened with " Awaken " so there's a gap in the middle of these songs. But i still have that cassette as a souvenir. All the best Daniel ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 19:52:14 -0700 (PDT) From: JohnEric Subject: Re: gg: NOGG: New Tull Hi Robert. I agree with you on Catfish Rising. I liked the David Grisman (SP?) band sound on some tracks -- a band I like, although I've never gotten around to purchasing. I thought it was a refreshing CD, frankly. I am fairly accepting of any boring Tull, because the great stuff is well worth the buy ... but again, I'll wait for a sale for the new one. Question. why haven't I seen a quality re-mastering on Tull's CD's? JEE - --- "Robert Eksteen, Leiden" wrote: > Hi John Eric, > > I sort of agree with Rick about dot com. It's not overly exciting. > I thoroughly disagree, however, with him about Catfish Rising, which is > one > of the more dynamic and interesting Tull-albums of the last 25 years > (did I > really write that down: "the last 25 years"? Jeez!) > Catfish Rising is fast, down to earth, clever, sharp and impish, not > unlike > the late 60s Jethro Tull. > I don't think you need "dot.com", but I do think you need Catfish Rising > (and if possible try and get a Greek copy, with "Wilderness Of You" as a > bonus track, one of the best Tull-songs ever, but strangely absent on > the > regular CD.) > > Best, > > > Robert Eksteen, Leiden, The Netherlands > > rke@xs4all.nl > === http://www.mindspring.com/~jjellison/nightsky.htm __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 23:10:14 -0400 (EDT) From: mammienun@webtv.net Subject: Re: gg: First Album I had the same problem with Journey to Love on 8-track. God those things sucked! Forgive me, EaEE--ezuz ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 23:05:52 -0400 From: "drj_saro" Subject: Re: gg: NOGG: New Tull From: JohnEric >Question. why haven't I seen a quality re-mastering on Tull's CD's? > >JEE because you haven't looked? (or your pre-occupation leaves you with too little time to anything other than whiiiiine) in just the past few years there have been MoFi (or similar) CD re-issues of Living in the Past, Aqualung, Thick as a Brick, Passion Play, Songs from the Wood, and (i think ) War Child! thank you for your time and attention.(and pass us that bottle, will ya?) Julius J. SAROKA drj_saro@neo.rr.com Cuyahoga Falls OHIO ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 23:27:08 -0400 (EDT) From: mammienun@webtv.net Subject: Re: gg: NOGG: New Tull Dr. J, is your only prescription for poison? Please be a tad more diplomatic when responding to posts that you think are beneath your caliber of expertise. Thank you for your sublime diplomacy. Ez The nun that cares. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 20:42:20 -0700 (PDT) From: JohnEric Subject: gg: Photo FX If anyone is interested, I have added the photo FX page to the Night Sky Gallery site. Again, I am inviting anyone to submit their work for consideration ... and if accepted, it will be given a place in the Gallery. I will upload the main site to the search engines this Saturday. the site address is listed below. Thanks JEE === http://www.mindspring.com/~jjellison/nightsky.htm __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 23:51:11 -0400 From: Daniel Potvin Subject: RE: gg: "AtT" Bob Angilly wrote: > > And what exactly were you boys listening to in 1973? > Oh my back in 73 i was just 9 years old and my older brother had a friend who was a real progfan as well as a giutarplayer he introduced me in prog with bands like YES GENESIS GG and more and i really loved it. It was actually that year that i started listening to prog Daniel ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 21:03:29 -0700 (PDT) From: JohnEric Subject: Re: gg: NOGG: New Tull Actually, I have looked ... but word has it that the re-masters were poorly done, and that Tull was considering a redo on some of them. Besides, the re-masters were not clearly marked as such ... the way Yes, AC-DC, Genesis, and others were marked. I would hope that a definitive re-master would be marked well. I have seen a compilation called "The Re-masters", but I am looking for whole works, not compilations. By the way, how old are you. You sound like a spoiled teenager, without the experience to grasp dry humor. Tut tut. JohnEric - --- drj_saro wrote: > From: JohnEric > >Question. why haven't I seen a quality re-mastering on Tull's CD's? > > > >JEE > > > because you haven't looked? > (or your pre-occupation leaves you with too little time to anything > other > than whiiiiine) > in just the past few years there have been MoFi (or similar) CD > re-issues of > Living in the Past, Aqualung, Thick as a Brick, Passion Play, Songs from > the > Wood, and (i think ) War Child! > > thank you for your time and attention.(and pass us that bottle, will > ya?) > > Julius J. SAROKA > drj_saro@neo.rr.com > Cuyahoga Falls OHIO > > > > > === http://www.mindspring.com/~jjellison/nightsky.htm __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 23:53:57 -0400 From: "Richard Worthy" Subject: Re: gg: NOGG: Tull Review Ok I just got home from the show and still have Tull ringing in my brain so I figured I'd write this while its still fresh. Opening act--Ten Years After. Alvin Lee, What can I say. He hasn't lost much over the last 30 years or so Sound was great ( a surprise for the beach) set was too short tho-. Tull was wonderful. Its painstakingly obvious that Ians throat is still bothering him. It seems that the show was pretty much the same one that Jim describes in his earlier message.The new ones sounded great and I WILL go and buy the cd.The show was about an hour and a half. Could have been longer. Even my wife looked at me and said "Thats it?". Ian appears to be avoiding a lot of songs that put a strain on his throat and is sticking to a more laid back set ( only singing half of Aqualung as seems to be the norm of the last couple of times I've seen him). Martin Barre was just amazing too. (as usual) To repeat what Jim said earlier If you get a chance to see them - go it'll be worth it ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1999 00:47:53 EDT From: Biffyshrew@aol.com Subject: gg: noGG: FZ tributes Scott Steele wrote: >>>as well as a "music by FZ" disc by a classical wind ensemble (who's name i can't >>>remeber right now.). >> >>I would appreciate a report on this one, as soon as you've checked it out. > >We need Biffy please. You rang? You might be surprised to learn that there are several CDs by wind and brass ensembles playing Zappa, but I think only two that feature FZ music exclusively (or almost so). One is _Prophetic Attitude_ by Le Concert Impromptu, a standard wind quintet from France. The other is _Music By Frank Zappa_ by the Omnibus Wind Ensemble from Sweden, a 12-piece band which adds percussion and double bass to the mix and throws in an arrangement of "Bolero." Both tend to be considered a little restrained-sounding by Zappa fans--or in Zappaspeak, lacking in "eyebrows." But I think both are nice, with the Omnibus disc being the more creative and adventurous by a considerable margin. >I saw a Zappa tribute band once, in about 1996 or so. I don't think it was called >Banned from Utopia though. Back before I met Babs. I took this girl out for an >expensive dinner, then we sat in expensive seats and watched this gig. Some of the >members of the Oregon Symphony were there, reading their little asses off. I am >pretty sure Mike Miller was on this gig, along with several Fowlers, McGettrick, >Wackerman, and Ike Willis was singing. Then the cute girl went home, and I was >alone *and* broke. Hey, with the recent Progfest, that's at least two concerts you and I have in common! That was indeed the Band From Utopia, as they were still billed at the time--April 5, 1995. I just pulled out my program, signed by Ike, Chad, Tommy Mars, Walt & Bruce Fowler, and Joel Thome. Sorry it didn't work out with the lady. >>L.S.M.F.T. > >Lucky Strike means fine tobacco. Laboratory Sector for Making Folks Tiny. Your pal, Biffy the Elephant Shrew ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1999 00:56:14 -0400 From: "drj_saro" Subject: gg: Re: noGG: FZ tributes - -----Original Message----- From: Biffyshrew@aol.com >Scott Steele wrote: >>>>as well as a "music by FZ" disc by a classical wind ensemble (who's name i >>>>can't remeber right now.). >>We need Biffy please. > >The other is _Music By Frank >Zappa_ by the Omnibus Wind Ensemble from Sweden..... >with the Omnibus disc being the more creative and adventurous by a >considerable margin. that's the one i'm getting - i'll post a report once i've had a chance to assimilate it! thanks for your input Biffy! thank you for your time and attention. Julius J. SAROKA drj_saro@neo.rr.com Cuyahoga Falls OHIO ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1999 02:29:51 EDT From: SPBrader@aol.com Subject: Re: gg: NOGG: Tull Review Richard Worthy wrote: << Even my wife looked at me and said "Thats it?" >> He he he No comment. Si ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1999 00:05:58 -0700 (PDT) From: James Warren Subject: gg: first album purchase; next album purchase?; Jethro Tull Hello all =To reiterate, YES is my favorite band. But ON-REFLECTION is my favorite list :-) - -The first record I bought was _The Game_ by Queen (in 1980?). I still have this record... Is anyone familiar with (or a fan of) the band THIS HEAT? I was totally unacquainted with them, but heard a cool track the other day on Spinner.com from their album _Deceit_ (1980s?). I'm not going to buy an album based on only one listen of one track via the internet... So, can someone please provide some THIS HEAT comments? :-) In his review of Jethro Tull DOT.COM, rb (ric) wrote: "...and the songs are almost indistinguishable from one another." - -Isn't this generally true of most Jethro Tull? I don't mean this in a derogatory way. I am a big JT fan. But, at the same time, when I get into the mood where I want to listen to some, I inevitably get pretty burned out with Ian's distinct voice and songs by the time the whole album is over. A little Jethro Tull goes a long way in my experience. Have a great weekend everybody! THANKS! JJW np: Quicksilver Messenger Service _Shady Grove_ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 16:55:10 +0100 From: "Ant" Subject: gg: Cat Teaser! - -----Original Message----- From: WhytePunk@aol.com > I could have sworn the copy I bought had "Another Saturday Night" on it. >Yet when I go to CDNow and search that title it only appears on his 1975 >''Greatest Hits"? This totally blows my mind because I seem to remember even >reading the lyrics to that song inside the ''Buddha" album. According to the >search that I did that song is only on the "Greatest Hits" release and >doesn't appear anywhere on any other cd???... I was curious about this and looked on cdnow which confirms your suspicions that it was not on the album or any album which my pal had at the time cos that's where I heard Cat Stevens a lot, at my friends house. Aslo looked on www.catstevens.com but they don't seem to have a discography. I think maybe it was just a single. Incidentally they are asking for your cover versions of CS songs on the above site. You can even send them as MP3 or Wav files. Ant ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1999 10:03:59 +0200 From: "Frank B. Carvalho" Subject: gg: Re: Buy Tull before live! This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. - ------_=_NextPart_001_01BEF5E2.E0E54350 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Buy it and give it 2 or three listens. Then when the songs hit you live, you will be in the stage where the songs are beginning to catch on for you, and you will become overly enthusiastic about the live version. I have always thought that the familiarity with an arrangement (especially a complicated one) heightened my live experience. Some years ago I saw Tull here, and they played 'Nothing is Easy'. The great thing was that I had played the song in a cover band some years earlier, exactly copying the record, and the pleasure of hearing Tull deliver every minor detail the right way was a huge intellectual satisfaction. Very recommended. Anyway, this is not a jazz or fusion band. It is not really about diving into extended improvisations. This is about highly arranged tight playing, like GG. Also, knowing the song in advance means that you can appreciate the departures from the original arrangements. Cheers Frank Carvalho - ------_=_NextPart_001_01BEF5E2.E0E54350 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Re: Buy Tull before live!

Buy it and give it 2 or three listens. Then when the songs hit you live, you will
be in the stage where the songs are beginning to catch on for you, and you will
become overly enthusiastic about the live version. I have always thought that the
familiarity with an arrangement (especially a complicated one) heightened my
live experience. Some years ago I saw Tull here, and they played 'Nothing is Easy'.
The great thing was that I had played the song in a cover band some years earlier,
exactly copying the record, and the pleasure of hearing Tull deliver every minor
detail the right way was a huge intellectual satisfaction. Very recommended.
Anyway, this is not a jazz or fusion band. It is not really about diving into
extended improvisations. This is about highly arranged tight playing, like GG.
Also, knowing the song in advance means that you can appreciate the departures
from the original arrangements.

Cheers

Frank Carvalho

- ------_=_NextPart_001_01BEF5E2.E0E54350-- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1999 09:21:10 +0100 From: "Ant" Subject: gg: Re: re: GG; first album; gigs; Crimson; OR; in my absence and BTW - -----Original Message----- From: Mark L. Potts >Besides, I figured that my darling firstborn will bridge the gap in my >absence and >BTW, this is me not HER! How can we be sure? whats the secret callsign? >King Crimson - Mexico 95. Excellent. I downloaded it on Saturday and >listened to it for the first time in the car today. >This is a wonderful thing for His Frippness to be doing - free quality >music. WOW! Remind me how to get that Marko. >It is a friendly list - some I've been on are positively hostile/ argumentative/ >even threatening. Stop wasting bandwidth and get to the point you idiot. >I would never have dreamed of wanting to meet some of >those people - mind you having met Si... Wait till you hear what he said about you. >Seriously, I would never have let my >daughter mail some of the other lists either. There's some real weirdoes out >there... Can you send her round to my place..drool..in her school uniform...dribble...slobber... >Alright, gigs - an update: Apart from those you mentioned, have you seen Caravan & Spock's Beard at the Astoria2 in London on 1st and 2nd Oct respectively? >Well, I'm about done, for now. Why what you been doing? >Book 'em Danno, mammie-one, Not even hardly! Ant ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1999 09:00:14 +0100 From: "Ant" Subject: Re: gg: This should get your attention. - -----Original Message----- From: Bob Taylor >F) I exist solely in order to help in feeding the limitless appetite of >the mind twisting OR-creature-thing. In time, I will turn into a >chrysalis and emerge as a Bwndevrappel, a beast which looks almost >nothing like a huge lobster. Oh dear! I feel guilty for having,at least in part, caused the unhinging of 'our Bob'. And Bobby doesn't know what day it is. He only knows who Voivoid are and what a Shulberry's for. Was it his intent To read all the mail we sent? Ant ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1999 12:39:04 +0100 (BST) From: Rik Beck Subject: gg: New Tull: more thoughts GGreetings once more, It seems that my comments about the new Tull CD have stirred things up. The opinion On-Reflection is mixed, some agreeing with me (in part), and others calling it 'Nonsense' (ahh the cut and thrust of reasoned argument). I had another listen last night, and still think it's a poor Tull album. The easiest way to sum up my feelings is to say "I don't think it's very good" - you can skip the rest if you wish. Most annoying is Ian's voice, which is moving inexorably to the mid-Atlantic. The music offers little variation, to my ears, and doesn't contain anything new. There's the song about technology, the one about women of dubious virtue, and the 'quirky' one. Add to that a gtr-driven rock number and one about the environment, and you've got a mish-mash of the last five or so albums. > >First impression is that it's very disappointing. It's mechanical and > >fairly soulless, and the songs are almost indistinguishable from one > >another. > > Nonsense. Do you really think "Spiral" sounds like "Wicked Windows" sounds > like "Hot Mango Flush" sounds like "The Dog-Ear Years"? After 'HMF' (annoying), everything ran together - maybe I should have given the album my undivided attention between headphones, but I didn't. My wife and I just looked at each other and then she turned it off. I challenge you to hum any of the tunes off the top of your head (or with your mouth, whichever is easier). > Clearly one of the more introspective tracks is Wicked Windows, which IA > examines his life through his spectacles. I thought 'WW' was about Mr Gates and his empire, with the Windows being the computer monitor and/or the programme of the same name. Dunno. Sorry if this is a complete downer, but it's the first Tull album I've brought for full price on the day of release for about 10 years, and I was disappointed after other comments regarding its similarity to other 'good' albums ('A', Stormwatch). I hope I didn't stop anyone wanting to buy tickets to see the gigs (hell, I can't be _that_ influential, can I? :-). I'll probably be going when they return to this island. BTW, did anyone leave the disc running and catch the bonus track from Ian's solo album? After an introduction from the man himself (tweet tweet, tweet tweet), there's a full track form 'The Secret Language of Birds'. rb ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1999 08:02:26 -0400 From: "Richard Worthy" Subject: gg: Re: Poll II > > Is Gentle Giant your favorite band? I wouldn't say favorite, but its in the top 5 with FZ, Yes, Grateful Dead and Hot Tuna > > Why are you on this list? Comic relief. I need something to brake up the monotony of life. I thought at first it might be interesting, and then I saw what a hassle it could be. Finally I was just hooked. Like my wife with the soaps I have to see whos fighting with this one and whos doing what to that one. Its addictive I tell ya! I'm gonna call my HMO and see if they can recommend a counselor to help wein me off. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 03 Sep 1999 08:11:54 -0400 From: Gary Davis Subject: gg: Re: Yes Close to the Edge At 07:46 PM 9/2/99 -0700, JAskelly wrote: > >Mick said: > ><"Close To The Edge".>> > >Yeah, it's a great book, but is heavily weighted towards the early days (of >course, that's fine with me, but maybe not for some others). After spending >a few chapters on the Banks era, he covers the entire Moraz years in about >seven pages! Just a bit lopsided. Still, it's got some cool info, so I'd >recommend it. > By 'weighted' are you referring to the amount of space given or the editorial slant. I suspect the former. For while Welch does like the earliest stuff, he pans both Tales from Topographic Oceans and Relayer and loves 90125. So I'm definitely not in agreement with his editorial stance, but it was an enjoyable read nonetheless. Gary ************************************************************** Gary Davis The Artist Shop The Other Road http://www.artist-shop.com artshop@artist-shop.com phone: 330-929-2056 fax:330-945-4923 SUPPORT THE INDEPENDENT ARTIST!!! ************************************************************** Check out the latest Artist Shop newsletter at http://www.artist-shop.com/news.htm ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1999 05:17:12 -0700 (PDT) From: JohnEric Subject: Re: gg: NOGG: New Tull I guess I'm rather outdated in my information. I'll recheck the bins with my eyes open. JEE - --- "Robert Eksteen, Leiden" wrote: > Hi John-Eric, > At 19:52 2-9-99 -0700, you wrote: > >Question. why > >haven't I seen a quality re-mastering on Tull's CD's? > > Because there are far to many? > > Best, > > > Robert Eksteen, Leiden, The Netherlands > > rke@xs4all.nl > === http://www.mindspring.com/~jjellison/nightsky.htm __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1999 08:18:58 -0400 From: "Richard Worthy" Subject: Re: gg: NOGG: Tull Review <<>> Exactly! Not something shes used to saying ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 03 Sep 1999 09:50:22 -0300 From: Helton Barbuto Subject: gg: First album Olá Gigantes, An uncle of mine gifted me with the LP _Beatlemania_ (wuh?) back in 1964 and I went crazy (Beatlemania was the first Beatles album issued in Brazil - the famous _With the Beatles_ cover with different track list). Then I bought their second brazilian release named _Beatles Again_ (wuh again?). A peculiar brazilian cover was "made" for that release with the following track list: side 1 side2 1.Please Please Me 1.Hold me Tight 2.Boys 2.Money 3.Twist and Shout 3.Do you Want to Know a Secret 4.From me to You 4.All my Loving 5.Baby it's You 5.Love me Do 6.I'll Get You 6.Can't Buy me Love I was 10 years old and that's my first purchase. Love me do, Helton np: Albert King with Stevie Ray Vaughan - In Session (just great!) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 03 Sep 1999 09:50:26 -0300 From: Helton Barbuto Subject: gg: Mammiepoll Olá Gigantes, << When did you 1st hear GG?>> 1972 and Three Friends was the only and lonely GG album ever released in Brazil. <> No...at that time I was more into the hard rock stuff and a friend of mine gave me as a birthday present both TF and the first Captain Beyond (love it at once). I gave TF a spin and I thought was too much "different" from what I was used to listen to, but the second part of the track _Peel the Paint_ sounded enough hard to make me give another try. Then the songs, the playing and the musical nuances started growing on me up to the point I almost wasn't listening to anything else but that album (side one, side two, side one again, then side two, and on and on...). << Did you run right out and start buying their recordings?>> Yes... imported (and expensive) copies were not easy to find on these days but I couldn't resist anymore!!! <> I was 19. Helton np: Albert King with Stevie Ray Vaughan - In Session (this is an 1983 recording made in a television studio in Hamilton, Canada). ------------------------------ End of on-reflection-digest V1 #1847 ************************************