on-reflection-digest    Friday, September 3 1999    Volume 01 : Number 1848



gg: Re:  on-reflection-digest V1 #1847
gg: Julian's CJAM broadcast, Sat., Sept. 4th, 6am-9am(Eastern Standard)
gg: First album, first GG Experience (TM)
gg: HA HA HA HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!
gg: noGG: re: New Tull
Re: gg: First album, first GG Experience (TM)
gg: RE: HA HA HA HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!
gg: 1st album & following the threads
Re: gg: NOGG: New Tull
Re: gg: Re: on-reflection-digest V1 #1847
Re: gg: noGG: FZ tributes
Re: gg: First album, first GG Experience (TM)
RE: gg: Re: on-reflection-digest V1 #1847
gg: RE: 1st album & following the threads
Re: gg: Re: on-reflection-digest V1 #1847
gg: no GG:  help with free KC download!
gg: 1973; Stray Dog; 15 days to go; faith and what it is; Thunder Boy; sip?; Spyro Gyra
Re: gg: First album, first GG Experience (TM)
RE: gg: Re: on-reflection-digest V1 #1847
gg: RE: no GG:  help with free KC download!
gg: Hey Bif; 4/5/95; Albert King w/SRV!; Captain Beyond
gg: First LP poll and some GG
gg: No GG; Keneally
gg: My name is Bill, and I come from Rohnert Park!
Re: gg: First album, first GG Experience (TM)
gg: no 'pussy jokes'?
gg: This should lose your attention.
Re: gg: SV: This should get your attention.
gg: Should this attention lose your...huh?
gg: RE: Re: re: GG; first album; gigs; Crimson; OR; in my absence and BTW
gg: It's time to uncloak
gg: Nonkertompfing
gg: Re: First LP poll and some GG
Re: gg: First album, first GG Experience (TM)
Re: gg: First Album
Re: gg: SV: This should get your attention.

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Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1999 09:50:13 EDT
From: JAskelly@aol.com
Subject: gg: Re:  on-reflection-digest V1 #1847

While discussing the Yes bio, Close to the Edge, I wrote:

<>

Then Gary asked:

<>

Yeah, I was referring to the amount of space.  I love the early days, 
including the Banks era, so I was happy to see so much written there, but it 
just didn't seem like he was proceeding in a fair, methodical way through 
their entire history.  He had lots of personal recollections from those early 
days he wanted to include and he also had, apparently, spent a lot of time 
interviewing Banks (I suspect Peter was actually his primary source for the 
opening chapters).

He could've kept his editorial opinions on the albums to himself, thank you.  
My favorite spots were when he said "Almost Like Love" was the best song on 
Big Generator and "Arriving UFO" was the true classic from Tormato.  Did I 
miss something?

Jack

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Date: Fri, 03 Sep 1999 10:04:08 EDT
From: "Reginald Dunlop" 
Subject: gg: Julian's CJAM broadcast, Sat., Sept. 4th, 6am-9am(Eastern Standard)

Hello Giants!

Just a reminder to tune in to the broadcast below on Sat. 6am-9am:

http://www.uwindsor.ca/cjam/contents.htm


Click on the "HEAR CJAM LIVE!" feature in the top right hand corner of the 
CJAM 91.5 FM web page. Details are posted on how to get connected to the 
broadcast. I hope you can tune in for a listen! Suggestions are welcome...I 
give out the phone number on-air.

I will also be doing a VOIVOD feature from 8am-8:20am(at the risk of losing 
listeners...don't go cryin' for your Mum...it's pretty intense! You'll see 
where Anekdoten got all their ideas from. Here are the Voivod tracks I'll be 
playing(2 covers and 2 originals):

Voivod - "21st Century Schizoid Man"(off of the "Phobos" LP)
Voivod - "Astronomy Domine"(off of the "Nothingface" LP)
Voivod - "Phobos"(off of the "Phobos" LP)
Voivod - "Bacteria"(off of the "Phobos" LP)

The name of my radio programme is "Mental Notes". My wife and I juggled a 
few names across the coffee table last night, and we both agreed that this 
name was the most fitting. :)

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Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1999 10:19:47 -0400 (EDT)
From: Daniel Barrett 
Subject: gg: First album, first GG Experience (TM)

First record I ever bought: "The Monster Mash" by Bobby "Boris"
Picket, on 45. :-)

In the 1970s, I was listening mainly to Kansas, Yes, Aerosmith, and
Elton John.

I was introduced to GG in 1987 (!) by a friend who lent me "The Power
and The Glory."  I didn't like it, particularly for the vocals.
Several weeks later, I found myself humming "Proclamation" and "So
Sincere," asked to borrow the album again, and loved it.

It was a few years until I heard GG again.  While in Rochester NY, I
visited a great used record store (maybe called The Record Archive?)
and found TPatG and GFaD.  Listened to GFaD first and was sooo
disappointed.  Then TPatG and got very happy that this was the album
I'd heard before.  The rest of the vinyl followed within 1 year
(including paying $35 for a near-mint IAGH).

                                                        Dan

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Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1999 10:22:38 -0400 (EDT)
From: Daniel Barrett 
Subject: gg: HA HA HA HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I just HAVE to share this!!

In an attempt to be helpful, I emailed the postmaster of Bill O'Reilly's
computer system, saying that his "vacation auto-responder" program was
spamming our mailing list.  Guess what reply I got?

>From: Manisha Kotecha 
>To: dbarrett@blazemonger.com
>Subject: Bill OReilly -Reply
>Date: Fri, 03 Sep 1999 15:09:58 +0100
>
>Manish Kotecha is currently away from the office.  Please forward your
>query to [names omitted]....

                                                        Dan

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Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1999 10:25:34 EDT
From: Biffyshrew@aol.com
Subject: gg: noGG: re: New Tull

I wrote:

>Rick Beck wrote:
>
>> >First impression is that it's very disappointing. It's mechanical and
>> >fairly soulless, and the songs are almost indistinguishable from one
>> >another.
>> 
>> Nonsense.  Do you really think "Spiral" sounds like "Wicked Windows" 
sounds 
>> like "Hot Mango Flush" sounds like "The Dog-Ear Years"?

Which caused Rick to object:

>others calling it 'Nonsense' (ahh the cut and thrust of reasoned
>argument).

If this requires clarification, my word "nonsense" referred not to your 
remarks about _Dot Com_ being "disappointing," "soulless" or "mechanical," 
which are your opinions, but only to the part about the songs being 
"indistinguishable" from one another, which is demonstrably false.  There's a 
wide variety of styles on _Dot Com_, from hard rock to acoustic waltz to 
odd-time prog to pseudo-tropical looniness.

>The music offers little variation, to my ears, and doesn't
>contain anything new.

I disagree if you're suggesting that it has to include something "new" in 
order to be good, but the use of an Indian singer on "Dot Com" is 
unprecedented in Tull (and a fascinating sound, IMO).  "Hot Mango Flush" is 
certainly a "new" direction for Tull, but you just called it annoying (and I 
have to agree).

>There's the song about technology, the one about
>women of dubious virtue, and the 'quirky' one. 

To dismiss "Dot Com" as a "song about technology" is to miss the point.  It's 
about how e-mail and the web have changed the way people--even lovers--relate 
to one another.

>I challenge you to hum any of the tunes off the top of your head (or
>with your mouth, whichever is easier).

What kind of challenge is that?  There are several "stick in the head" tunes 
here.  Sorry if you find them "stick in the throat" tunes...

>> Clearly one of the more introspective tracks is Wicked Windows, which IA
>> examines his life through his spectacles.
>
>I thought 'WW' was about Mr Gates and his empire, with the Windows
>being the computer monitor and/or the programme of the same name. Dunno.

In a promo sampler for the album, Ian refers to "bad guys in history" who 
wore wire-rim spectacles, and introduces this song as being about "one of 
history's worst, whose name should be forgotten--unless the harsh lesson 
needs to be relearned.  See if you can figure out the villainous identity."  
I don't know what he's talking about, myself.

Your pal,
Biffy the Elephant Shrew

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Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1999 17:43:07 +0300 (EET DST)
From: Ville V Sinkko 
Subject: Re: gg: First album, first GG Experience (TM)

First album I ever bought: Pink Floyd's "Momentary Lapse of
Reason" in '87, at age 8.

My first GG experience was finding the debut album in a local
library around '92. I liked it at once, and decided on a whim
to get to hear their albums in chronological order. The scheme
worked up to IaGH!

- --
65
  Zn	NP Alban Berg, violin concerto
30

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Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1999 07:57:14 -0700
From: William Tindall 
Subject: gg: RE: HA HA HA HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Heehee!
	Serves you right for messin' with computers.
"For a minute there, I lost myself"

Bill T

- -----Original Message-----
From:	Daniel Barrett 
Sent:	Friday, September 03, 1999 7:23 AM
To:	on-reflection@lists.uoregon.edu
Subject:	gg: HA HA HA HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I just HAVE to share this!!

In an attempt to be helpful, I emailed the postmaster of Bill O'Reilly's
computer system, saying that his "vacation auto-responder" program was
spamming our mailing list.  Guess what reply I got?

>From: Manisha Kotecha 
>To: dbarrett@blazemonger.com
>Subject: Bill OReilly -Reply
>Date: Fri, 03 Sep 1999 15:09:58 +0100
>
>Manish Kotecha is currently away from the office.  Please forward your
>query to [names omitted]....

                                                        Dan

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Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1999 11:46:38 -0400 (EDT)
From: dashthecat@webtv.net
Subject: gg: 1st album & following the threads

I'm new to this newletter and new to Progressive Music having only heard
the term for the first time this past year.  

Since I plan on staying around I thought I may as well join in.  My
first album was Donovans Mellow Yellow.  I was and still am a Beatles
fan.  When I heard Jethro Tull for the first time in 1971 or 72, I
couldn't stand it... it had to grow on me with many hearings.  I still
can't stand Yes, preferring Tull and King Crimson (but not their early
stuff, shudder)  

I am quite amazed at the some of the names of groups that are being used
here... I noticed Ten Years After was mentioned...does that mean they
are still playing?  God, they were a big favorite of mine, way back
when...

I will continue to read and learn from this mailing.  For someone like
myself who has limited contact with anyone informed on Progressive Rock
this is a godsend.  When I saw Adrian Belew in Nashville I was really
surpised to see that _I_ was not the only one who had traveled a few
hundred miles to see him.  I should have gotten the names and addresses
of the audience members, it would have made an interesting memento.

Well, I can write a book about anything, just ask those who know me, so
I'll force myself away right now and wait for the next letter.

~meow~
Kathy Hord

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Date: Fri, 03 Sep 1999 08:51:43 PDT
From: "Dan Weese" 
Subject: Re: gg: NOGG: New Tull

>Actually, I have looked ... but word has it that the re-masters were
>poorly done, and that Tull was considering a redo on some of them.

I recently got the gold CD of Songs from the Wood.  IMHO it is as good, or 
better than my LP.  IA was involved in the remastering.  Definitely worth 
the very high price I paid for it at Best Buy.

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Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1999 08:52:31 -0700 (PDT)
From: "David J. Loftus" 
Subject: Re: gg: Re: on-reflection-digest V1 #1847

On Fri, 3 Sep 1999 JAskelly@aol.com wrote:

> While discussing the Yes bio, Close to the Edge, I wrote:
> 
> < days (of course, that's fine with me, but maybe not for some others).  
> After spending a few chapters on the Banks era, he covers the entire 
> Moraz years in about seven pages!  Just a bit lopsided.  Still, it's 
> got some cool info, so I'd recommend it.
> >>
> 
> Then Gary asked:
> 
> < editorial slant.  I suspect the former.  For while Welch does like the
> earliest stuff, he pans both Tales from Topographic Oceans and Relayer and
> loves 90125.  So I'm definitely not in agreement with his editorial 
> stance, but it was an enjoyable read nonetheless.
> >>
> 
> Yeah, I was referring to the amount of space.  I love the early days, 
> including the Banks era, so I was happy to see so much written there, 
> but it just didn't seem like he was proceeding in a fair, methodical 
> way through their entire history.


Good god.  I suppose TfTO either has its place or might have benefited 
from an editor, but anyone who cannot appreciate _Relayer_ is an idiot.


David Loftus

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Date: Fri, 03 Sep 1999 08:54:01 PDT
From: "Dan Weese" 
Subject: Re: gg: noGG: FZ tributes

>You might be surprised to learn that there are several CDs by wind
and brass ensembles playing Zappa, but I think only two that feature FZ 
music exclusively (or almost so).

I was completely bowled over to hear Girl with Aluminum Dress on a Cousteau 
underwater program.

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Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1999 08:56:09 -0700 (PDT)
From: "David J. Loftus" 
Subject: Re: gg: First album, first GG Experience (TM)

On Fri, 3 Sep 1999, Daniel Barrett wrote:

> I was introduced to GG in 1987 (!)

You're not kidding, "(!)".

Dan Barrett, the keeper of the flame, the GG home page king -- never 
bought a GG album when it first came out, let alone saw the band live?


> by a friend who lent me "The Power
> and The Glory."  I didn't like it, particularly for the vocals.
> Several weeks later, I found myself humming "Proclamation" and "So
> Sincere,"

Yep, catchy tunes, those.  Wonder why they didn't get more airplay on 
Casey Kasem's show?


> It was a few years until I heard GG again.  While in Rochester NY, I
> visited a great used record store (maybe called The Record Archive?)
> and found TPatG and GFaD.  Listened to GFaD first and was sooo
> disappointed.  Then TPatG and got very happy that this was the album
> I'd heard before.  The rest of the vinyl followed within 1 year
> (including paying $35 for a near-mint IAGH).

Ouch!  That's determination.  I've paid that much and more for certain 
books, but other than Toad in the Hole, which is a double CD, I've 
never plunked down that kind of money for a record.  (Oh, wait ... how 
much were the Beatles boots...?)


David Loftus

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Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1999 17:20:03 +0100
From: "Mark L. Potts" 
Subject: RE: gg: Re: on-reflection-digest V1 #1847

Oh-oh...
> Good god.  I suppose TfTO either has its place or might have benefited
> from an editor, but anyone who cannot appreciate _Relayer_ is an idiot.

Er, no. They just don't like Relayer.

Can't stand it myself. Similar pain factor levels to Pornographic Oceans,
IMHO.


Surfing with the Alien,

Mark L. Potts
The God of Thunder

np: Traffic - On the road

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Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1999 17:20:01 +0100
From: "Mark L. Potts" 
Subject: gg: RE: 1st album & following the threads

Ay Up!

> I'm new to this newletter and new to Progressive Music having only heard
> the term for the first time this past year.
>
> Since I plan on staying around I thought I may as well join in.
The more the merrier, I say. Welcome and buckle up - this is one hell of a
weird list!!

> I am quite amazed at the some of the names of groups that are being used
> here... I noticed Ten Years After was mentioned...does that mean they
> are still playing?  God, they were a big favorite of mine, way back
> when...
Last time I saw them was '83 but I believe that Alvin is still doing the
rounds.
I remember they were exceptionally LOUD.

> I will continue to read and learn from this mailing.
God knows what you will learn

> ~meow~
> Kathy Hord

Aren't y'all proud of me? Not one pussy joke.
But, why dashthecat? Je ne comprends pas.

Surfing with the Alien,

Mark L. Potts
The God of Thunder

np: Traffic - On the road

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Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1999 12:42:44 EDT
From: SPBrader@aol.com
Subject: Re: gg: Re: on-reflection-digest V1 #1847

Son of Odwin wrote:

<< Er, no. They just don't like Relayer.
 
 Can't stand it myself. Similar pain factor levels to Pornographic Oceans,
 IMHO. >>

Unnacceptable. As penance you will go and count the number of stones in Wales.

Si

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Date: Fri, 03 Sep 1999 12:45:03 -0400
From: Bert Rubini 
Subject: gg: no GG:  help with free KC download!

> King Crimson - Mexico 95. Excellent. I downloaded it on Saturday and
> listened to it for the first time in the car today.
> This is a wonderful thing for His Frippness to be doing - free quality
> music. WOW!
>
Am I the only one having trouble downloading this???  I went
to:

http://license.keyconnect.com/wm/dgm/

and I saw a link for downloading the concert, but when I
click it, I get a box saying "Not currently available for
MacIntosh"  (I'm using a PC).  Any clues from anyone here?
Are there any other sites hosting this download?

thanks,

bert

- --
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and mindless tedium!:
http://www.hcc.cc.fl.us/services/faculty/bertrubini/home.htm

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Date: Fri, 03 Sep 1999 10:18:16 -0700
From: "Scott Steele" 
Subject: gg: 1973; Stray Dog; 15 days to go; faith and what it is; Thunder Boy; sip?; Spyro Gyra

> And what exactly were you boys listening to in 1973?

That was the year I graduated from high school.  Uh, Amon Duul II's Wolf City and Tanz der Lemminge, Genesis Foxtrot among others, Yessongs, ELP, Thick as a Brick, Broken Barricades, etc.

>np: the brand new Stray Dog reissue from The Wild Places.... Does anybody remember this band??

Hi Dok - I used to have the LP called While You're Down There.  I remember I didn't like it much except for one instrumental called Worldwinds where the guitar player got an echo device to play with.

>> Bill O'Reilly is on Leave from the 1st to 17th September.

>Great. Only 15 days more of these messages to go.  :-)

Thank god he's a digest weenie, we've only got one of these kind of messages per day.  ;)

>"Faith and what it is: That which if, if you trust priests, will cause you lots of problems."

What it is is a funky and lowdown feeling.  - Aretha Franklin

>Ol' ThunderBoy here just checking in seein' how y'all doin.

Hey buck, work less and post more, OK?

>a la Snot Snail,

achoo

>Hi, Bill. Everyday one beer at a time, every beer one sip at a time?

!!!!!sip?????!!!!!

>Alright, gigs - an update:

You're going to be pretty busy!  Let us know what you think of them all.

>I'm learning to like Spyro Gyra (I went to sleep at one of their concerts once...).

My best Spyro Gyra story is that when my son was three years old, I put him up on my shoulders and we danced in front of the stage at a jazz festival.  He got lots of good attention.  Now if I tried to get him on my shoulders, he'd crush me.  - S.

np:  Tribal Tech live in Baltimore 10/17/94

scottst@ohsu.edu

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Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1999 13:34:53 -0400 (EDT)
From: mammienun@webtv.net
Subject: Re: gg: First album, first GG Experience (TM)

GG should get back together and do a show just for Dan. This would be a
great way to show their appreciation for the work that he's done. IMHO.
Don't you think 'Dan' deserves it? I do. Later, Ez

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Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1999 18:39:47 +0100
From: "Mark L. Potts" 
Subject: RE: gg: Re: on-reflection-digest V1 #1847

> Son of Odwin wrote:
>
> << Er, no. They just don't like Relayer.
>
>  Can't stand it myself. Similar pain factor levels to Pornographic Oceans,
>  IMHO. >>
>
> Unnacceptable. As penance you will go and count the number of
> stones in Wales.
>
> Si

Couldn't I count sheep instead?

Baaaaack in the game

Mark L. Potts
The God of Thunder

np: Styx - Return to Paradise

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Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1999 18:39:45 +0100
From: "Mark L. Potts" 
Subject: gg: RE: no GG:  help with free KC download!

>
> > King Crimson - Mexico 95. Excellent. I downloaded it on Saturday and
> > listened to it for the first time in the car today.
> > This is a wonderful thing for His Frippness to be doing - free quality
> > music. WOW!
> >
> Am I the only one having trouble downloading this???  I went
> to:
>
> http://license.keyconnect.com/wm/dgm/
>
> and I saw a link for downloading the concert, but when I
> click it, I get a box saying "Not currently available for
> MacIntosh"  (I'm using a PC).  Any clues from anyone here?
> Are there any other sites hosting this download?

Bert,

It will come up with this. I think it is a case of wrong error message.

What it actually means is that you have to download Windows Media Player
before you can download the crimso. Ya see, the KC - Mexico is a .wma file
and you can't play it without the aforementioned Gatesian Knot.

Once you have downloaded the 32Mb of Mexicrim the first time you play it it
will log onto the DGM site to obtain some sort of authentication. After that
it is fine.

If you have a bad connection it can take some time to download - it took me
about four attempts but just starts downloading from where it got to when
the lights went out.

Keep on Crinting

Mark L. Potts
The God of Thunder


np: Styx - Return to Paradise

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Date: Fri, 03 Sep 1999 10:53:13 -0700
From: "Scott Steele" 
Subject: gg: Hey Bif; 4/5/95; Albert King w/SRV!; Captain Beyond

Hey Bif!  Thanks for materializing when requested.  You are my Zappalopedia.

>Hey, with the recent Progfest, that's at least two concerts you and I have in common!

Yeah, I saw you fly by with the Elephant Shrew t-shirt on at Progfest, but by the time I figured out that it might have been you wearing it, you wuz gone.  When's the next concert we're both attending?

>April 5, 1995.  I just pulled out my program, signed by Ike, Chad, 
Tommy Mars, Walt & Bruce Fowler, and Joel Thome.

That was a good show eh?  I thought it was great.

>Sorry it didn't work out with the lady.

She wanted to hear Brown Shoes Don't Make It and she got her wish.  Then - she went home!  That's OK, it wound up right, with me and Babs the friendly medical geneticist.

>np: Albert King with Stevie Ray Vaughan - In Session (just great!)

Wow Helton, that sounds like it must be a real winner.

>a friend of mine gave me as a birthday present both TF and the first Captain Beyond (love it at once).

Yeah, a friend owned that Captain Beyond, and he played it for me and I liked it right away.  I liked the picture on the album cover too.  - S.

np:  Still the Tribal Tech boot.  Kirk Covington is singing Smelly Old Dog Blues, what a crackup!

scottst@ohsu.edu

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Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 22:37:37 +0100
From: "Paul Moore" 
Subject: gg: First LP poll and some GG

My first self-purchased LP was Alice Cooper's Billion Dollar Babies, the
sleeve a gaint wallet with a big dollar bill and photos of the band, etc.
It cost me about two pounds 50 pence. My next LP was by Roy Wood's Wizzard.
It wasn't long before I was heading into ELP and progressive land. My first
GG LP was the Pretentious compilation, a largely uninformed selection,
chosen for the quirkiness of the title, the pics of mutli-instrumental
talent, and the intelligence of the sleeve notes, and it blew me away.

The Revd Dr Paul Moore
St Andrew's Church, Kildwick, N. Yorks, UK.

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Date: Thu, 2 Sep 1999 22:43:40 +0100
From: "Paul Moore" 
Subject: gg: No GG; Keneally

Dear all,

Just received Mike Keneally's new solo instrumental epic Nonkertompf. It's
mostly improvised fragments strung together, but very quirky and varied in
style, keyboards, guitar, kitchen sink, bits of Zappa, Hatfield, National
Health coming through at the moment.

Cheers,

Paul Moore - The Rockin' Revd
The Revd Dr Paul Moore
St Andrew's Church, Kildwick, N. Yorks, UK.

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Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1999 11:20:59 -0700
From: William Tindall 
Subject: gg: My name is Bill, and I come from Rohnert Park!

It seems a few folks may have mistaken my sig from the other day...I was paraphrasing "My name is Panurge, and I have come from hell!"
	Now if I was in AA, I wouldn't talk to you creepy peeps at all.  You'd be terrible influences.
	As it is, though, I love yez. 

Ol' Bill

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Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1999 14:21:56 -0400 (EDT)
From: Daniel Barrett 
Subject: Re: gg: First album, first GG Experience (TM)

On September 3, 1999, David J. Loftus wrote:
>Dan Barrett, the keeper of the flame, the GG home page king -- never 
>bought a GG album when it first came out, let alone saw the band live?

Sad but true! I hadn't even heard GG's name until 1987, though I might have
seen the "giant face" in record stores.

Never saw them live... sigh! I also hadn't seen them on video until two
weeks ago, when I saw the BBC Radio One show.

                                                        Dan

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Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1999 14:37:00 -0400 (EDT)
From: dashthecat@webtv.net
Subject: gg: no 'pussy jokes'?

Your self-control is almost admirable.

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Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1999 20:05:03 +0100
From: Bob Taylor 
Subject: gg: This should lose your attention.

In message <012001bef5e6$bde160e0$932f893e@anton.media.uki.ime.reuters.c
om>, Ant  writes
>
>Oh dear! I feel guilty for having,at least in part, caused the unhinging of
>'our Bob'.
>And Bobby doesn't know what day it is.
>He only knows who Voivoid are and what  a Shulberry's for.
>Was it his intent
>To read all the mail we sent?
>
>Ant

If Ant is the musicnut, I'd like to be the musicfruit
 - which leaves a vacancy for the musiclittlechocpieces.
Any takers?


And I'd like to politely decline any offers to send me a sandwich
in order to complete my picnic-basket  :-)


Turning to Wallace and Gromit for light relief, I caught a repeat of A
Close Shave the other day and was just as enthralled as before. So funny
I put this right up alongside The Wrong Trousers, or even higher.
It gives me the chance to point out that creator Nick Park comes from
Preston; and the infamous cyberdog in the story is called .... Preston.
In the UK, the very first bit of "motorway" ever constructed, back in
the 50's was ..... the Preston by-pass (now part of the M6).
And, as Michael Caine frequently says, when Kentucky Fried Chicken came
over here eons ago, we all know where their first UK outlet was opened
don't we ... all together now ... P r e s t o n.
In the interest of balance I will add that it is a particularly dull
place to live. Our town is, however in the chase (with dozens of others)
to become Britains millenium _city_!       


Thank **** its Friday. (isn't it?)

Bob

- -- 
Robert Taylor

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Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1999 20:07:05 +0100
From: Bob Taylor 
Subject: Re: gg: SV: This should get your attention.

In message <19990902212256.34468.qmail@hotmail.com>, Dan Weese
 writes
>
>>For me the answer is 'mu'.
>>According to Robert M. Pirsig (Mister Quality?), 'mu' is a japanese 
>>expression meaning 'wrong question' or 'impossible question'.
>
>Actually, the character MU means "The Void", it's rather like the concept of 
>null.  I've never heard "mu" used as an answer, I've only heard it used in 
>Zen theology.

So you haven't got a cat then?

Bob
- -- 
Bob Taylor

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Date: Fri, 03 Sep 1999 14:17:25 -0500
From: DE Johnson 
Subject: gg: Should this attention lose your...huh?

Bob Taylor  wrote:
>If Ant is the musicnut, I'd like to be the musicfruit
> - which leaves a vacancy for the musiclittlechocpieces.
>Any takers?

...mmm, dark brown...it's CHOCO-RIFFIC! 

>Turning to Wallace and Gromit for light relief, I caught a repeat of A
>Close Shave the other day and was just as enthralled as before. So funny
>I put this right up alongside The Wrong Trousers, or even higher.

I taped/watched this stuff when it aired on PBS last year. Wonderful 
stuff, it is. Stuff of wonder... 

>Thank **** its Friday. (isn't it?)

...it is? Oh, well, it's hard to notice when you aren't working for 'the 
man.' I am 'the man.' (...albeit, not a financial wizard...) Hence, Friday
nearly has a reverse effect. 

I live in the land of no windoze, but I work with windows all day long. 


DJ/CiViLiAN/le Uncroyable M. Personne

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Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1999 12:34:56 -0700
From: William Tindall 
Subject: gg: RE: Re: re: GG; first album; gigs; Crimson; OR; in my absence and BTW

Ant (who doesn't eat ants),

	You...well, you cracked me up, but good:

<< Stop wasting bandwidth and get to the point you idiot.>>

	I'm still laughing.  Thank you! 

<< >I would never have dreamed of wanting to meet some of
>those people - mind you having met Si...

Wait till you hear what he said about you.>>

	I'm really gonna miss Si at Gorgg.  Who else can I agree with about Yes? 

<< Can you send her round to my place..drool..in her school
uniform...dribble...slobber...>>

	I thought so...dirty old man (He's actually very clean!) 

<< Apart from those you mentioned, have you seen Caravan & Spock's Beard at the
Astoria2 in London on 1st and 2nd Oct respectively?>>

	Okay.  Being on the "wrong" side of the pond, I know bleep-all about what Caravan is up to these days, but I'd really like to know some first-hand impressions from you lucky locals.  Is it boredom to the nth?  Is it excellent?  Is it pretty cool and worth seeing?  Etc.?  Has it been posted already and I missed it because I'm a perfect slob? 

Answer at will, I won't read it,
Bill T

 

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Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1999 16:16:51 -0400
From: Daniel G 
Subject: gg: It's time to uncloak

Hi you all!

Maybe it's the coming fall or the fact that I've been gone for almost 2
years. I just figured
it might be time to come back to the fold!! So many things happened since I
last read you all. The most important is that I got married!! and had been
runnin' around for a while prior to the change of status visiting some of
the coldest places on earth (my beloved Eastern Arctic, Greenland, went
back twice to Scandinavia where I met my then future wife..., where I also
discovered Pusher Street in Christiania, a hippy stronghold in Copenhagen,
and sampled some of the super dansk herbs, so much that I changed my plane
ticket then and got lost in Amsterdam for a while...  well, enough of that
paradisiac period). I eventually found my way back home, and unfortunately
went back to work (sigh!).

Anyway, glad to be back. I can see that things didn't change so much. When
and how we discovered our beloved gg (I guess the demise of the band almost
20 years ago have something to do with the circular motion of OR ). But I
am happy to answer this once more:

It was in 74 or 75 (I was either 14 or 15 - damn memory sometimes), I was
perusing in the lp section of the only place where I could by lps , and
there was that huge colourful face staring at me from one of the racks.
After an hour of looking around and not knowing what to buy, I finally
decided to purchase that album without knowing anything about it. The band
name was GG and the album had the same name. I went back home, and played
the lp on my antiquated pick-up!! That was it. Loved it instantly because
it was different from what I was listening to at the time (i.e., Moody
Blues Every Good Boy..., which was incidently my first ever purchase, Deep
Purple's Fireball, which was the second, and Alice Cooper's Killer, which
was the third-and that would make GG the fourth!).  Next in line was AtT
that I like even better, then Free Hand came out, bought it. In 1976, I had
in my possesion every lp they did (including In'terview), with the
exception of IaGH that I bought in 1977 (and I still have it, and is
exceptionally good condition, as well as the Terrapin CD).  For me, GG
opened the doors to other prog bands, but none ever had the same impact,
except maybe VDGG, but for entirely different reasons. I guess that makes
GG my favorite prog band. I liked Yes, but not enough to go frenzy about
them (in fact, I like them better now than then). That's enough for now.

Hear you all in cyberspace

Daniel G (who once pretended he was Avataq a floating man)

P.S. Heard of your reunion in the States. Loved to be there but I won't be
able to make it since my wife is in stand-by for permanent residency in
Canada, and I could not think of going to the States without her (she'd
never forgive me - no she's not into GG, but she's never been to the
States, and she'd like to go... so it will be for the next time).

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Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1999 13:41:26 -0700
From: William Tindall 
Subject: gg: Nonkertompfing

The Rockin' Revd Rote,

<< Dear all,

Just received Mike Keneally's new solo instrumental epic Nonkertompf. It's
mostly improvised fragments strung together, but very quirky and varied in
style, keyboards, guitar, kitchen sink, bits of Zappa, Hatfield, National
Health coming through at the moment. >>

	I'd just like to emphasize a bit...if you value your musical life, GET IT!  It's, like, pretty good.  
	It's very pure, straight-from-the-heart Keneally, and I love it deeply.  It's 74 minutes of 2-minute snippets, and that can bug some people.  I recall when Peter Gabriel's 1st solo album came out, a common complaint was "I loved that bit, but it didn't last long enough!"   The same thing applies here.  Constant interruption just when you get a feel for stuff.  
	For some inexplicable reason that doesn't bother me at all.  Normally, I'd think it would.  My favorite tune on PG's first was (and remains, in fact) "Humdrum", which is extraordinarily guilty of this, and I somehow never got upset over it, though I understand how one could.
	Nonkertompf is the best thing I've heard in a long time, and if you approach it as a sort of soundtrack to the dream-movie of an irrepressibly loveable kid, you'll get it right away.  I sure did.  And how.

I guess this means I recommend it wholeheartedly!

Very best,
		Bill T  

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Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1999 16:38:41 -0400
From: "Savard-Paquet" 
Subject: gg: Re: First LP poll and some GG

Hail all,

my first LP buy was "Steppenwolf Live" (in 1971  I think) ... I was about 13
years old.
my first Gentle Giant listening (and buying) was "Three Friends" album in
1973. I have buyed this album a couple of days later.
My first GG concert was the Power and Glory tour in Quebec City in 1974 (I'm
not sure for the date)...

Savard-Paquet
gapa@globetrotter.qc.ca
lausapa@globetrotter.net
mysapa@globetrotter.net

- -----Message d'origine-----
De : Paul Moore 
À : on-reflection@lists.uoregon.edu 
Date : vendredi 3 septembre 1999 14:04
Objet : gg: First LP poll and some GG


>My first self-purchased LP was Alice Cooper's Billion Dollar Babies, the
>sleeve a gaint wallet with a big dollar bill and photos of the band, etc.
>It cost me about two pounds 50 pence. My next LP was by Roy Wood's Wizzard.
>It wasn't long before I was heading into ELP and progressive land. My first
>GG LP was the Pretentious compilation, a largely uninformed selection,
>chosen for the quirkiness of the title, the pics of mutli-instrumental
>talent, and the intelligence of the sleeve notes, and it blew me away.
>
>The Revd Dr Paul Moore
>St Andrew's Church, Kildwick, N. Yorks, UK.
>

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Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1999 16:45:50 EDT
From: NoMorePhil@aol.com
Subject: Re: gg: First album, first GG Experience (TM)

In a message dated 9/3/99 1:37:16 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
mammienun@webtv.net writes:

> GG should get back together and do a show just for Dan. This would be a
>  great way to show their appreciation for the work that he's done. IMHO.
>  Don't you think 'Dan' deserves it? I do. Later, Ez
>  
You know Dan the part about not having seen the video until two weeks ago 
kind of leaves me dumbfounded.  Not like it wasn't readily available.  Was it 
a bootleg issue with you or what? 
Marc

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Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1999 17:04:07 EDT
From: NoMorePhil@aol.com
Subject: Re: gg: First Album

In a message dated 9/2/99 10:57:27 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
ledzeppelin@sprint.ca writes:

> I bought my first album in 77 " Going for the one " actually it was a 
8-track 
> cassette.
>   The only thing i hated about those 8-track is that songs were cut.
>   For example " Turn of the century " started on the first track and ended 
on 
> the second
>   one the same thing happened with " Awaken " so there's a gap in the 
middle 
> of these songs.
I remember having Relayer on 8 Track and to this day here the fade 
out.....click....and fade in, on the Soundchaser solo whenever I listen to 
the CD.
The first album I ever purchased was Yes-Fragile completely by accident.  I 
had I was young, under 10, and had saved some money to buy 'something' I had 
no idea really what exactly, but darn it, it was my money and I was going to 
spend it.  Well at the drugstore the cover caught my eye and I remember 
getting one of those 'If that's what you really want looks' I had had a few 
records purchased for me by that time, but that's the first I bought on my 
own.
Marc

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Date: Fri, 03 Sep 1999 14:36:03 PDT
From: "Dan Weese" 
Subject: Re: gg: SV: This should get your attention.

>From: Bob Taylor 
>To: Dan Weese 
>CC: frod-ri@online.no, on-reflection@lists.uoregon.edu
>Subject: Re: gg: SV: This should get your attention.
>Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1999 20:07:05 +0100
>
>In message <19990902212256.34468.qmail@hotmail.com>, Dan Weese
> writes
> >
> >>For me the answer is 'mu'.
> >>According to Robert M. Pirsig (Mister Quality?), 'mu' is a japanese
> >>expression meaning 'wrong question' or 'impossible question'.
> >
> >Actually, the character MU means "The Void", it's rather like the concept 
>of
> >null.  I've never heard "mu" used as an answer, I've only heard it used 
>in
> >Zen theology.
>
>So you haven't got a cat then?
>
>Bob

Have so got a cat ! Hai, neko-chan arimas' .  Toby-san des'. LOL

np:  Ryuichi Sakamoto, 1996

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