on-reflection-digest   Saturday, September 4 1999   Volume 01 : Number 1849



Re: gg: This should lose your attention.
gg: Gorgg din-dins
gg: various and sundry
gg: Re: various and sundry
gg: 3 Friends- the BEST
gg: Stray Dog, Keneally
Re: gg: Re: various and sundry
gg: CJAM blues; Dan; Zn; Progressive Music; Nashville; Tull remasters; Traffic; stones in Wales; KCMex
Re: gg: First album, first GG Experience (TM)
gg: fusion & schmoozin'
Re: gg: First album, first GG Experience (TM)
Re: gg: It's time to uncloak
Re: gg: 1st album & following the threads
Re: gg: fusion & schmoozin'
Re: gg: Re: various and sundry
Re: gg: I like this real GG content!
gg: Yes, GG first
Re: gg: It's time to uncloak
Re: gg: Re: on-reflection-digest V1 #1847
Re: gg: NOGG: New Tull
gg: Apprehension..
Re: gg: Apprehension..
gg: Firsts
gg: GG/First album/Barrett
Re: gg: Firsts
gg: ooh
gg: Welcome....
gg: i feel soooo stupid...
gg: I just can't contain myself!
gg: 1st=favorite, +
Re: gg: This should get your attention.
gg: NoGG: Tull
Re: gg: 1st=favorite, +
[none]
Re: gg: Phil's Big Pole...er..Poll
Re: gg: Firsts
Re: gg: I just can't contain myself!
Re: gg: 1st=favorite, +
gg: CJAM blues; Dan; Zn; Progressive Music; Nashville; Tull remasters; Traffic; stones in Wales; KCMex
gg: Re: 1st=favorite, +
gg: various Mammiepolls

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Date: Fri, 03 Sep 1999 14:40:44 PDT
From: "Dan Weese" 
Subject: Re: gg: This should lose your attention.

>In the interest of balance I will add that it is a particularly dull
>place to live. Our town is, however in the chase (with dozens of others) to 
>become Britains millenium _city_!

I thought that honour had been bestowed on Milton Keynes.  :-]


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Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1999 14:59:02 -0700
From: William Tindall 
Subject: gg: Gorgg din-dins

Sorry to post this on the list, but that huge pile o' people post doesn't seem to be working.  If it is, and you Gorggers have gotten my previous posts, I apologize for being lame/lazy/lunkheaded/redundant.
	Rich, thanks for doin' the details.  Heartland gets a yeah, sure, why not? from me, and we can have a lot of fun trying to stuff Ginny into the CD changer.  Beware, though, I'll probably bring Nonkertompf...
	Man, I better watch it.   I just might get beaten up here...

Hi, I'm Bill from Calif...OUCH!  Stop it!  Ooo!  Ow!  Hey!  Sto..OW!  

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Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1999 18:39:54 -0400
From: Richard Hilton 
Subject: gg: various and sundry

At 2:36 PM -0700 9/3/99, Mark NoMoreCatera wrote:
>You know Dan the part about not having seen the video until two weeks ago
>kind of leaves me dumbfounded.

Me too.  But more to the point, I wonder what Dan thought of it?  How 
did it compare to his expectations/hopes/dreams/fears?

As for this poll stuff........I rarely participate, but seeing as 
this IS so on topic....

first album:  Meet the Beatles, upon its release
next few albums:  Are you Experienced, Fresh Cream, The Doors, Cheap 
Thrills w/Janis, Disraeli Gears
first GG album:  Octapus (may still be my favorite)
first GG concert (of 6 that I saw):  November 1,1974 - midnight show 
at the Academy of Music in NYC, opening (!) for Focus - third row 
center seats - they played "In a Glass House" this night, starting 
from where the heavy guitars enter, also did Way of Life.

you'll find an answer, you've got to believe in the choice of your life

Rich


Richard Hilton/Boppybop Toons Inc.
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Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1999 17:58:10 -0500
From: "Phil Bradley" 
Subject: gg: Re: various and sundry

Rich mentions a phenomenon I find true for myself:

> first GG album:  Octapus (may still be my favorite)

Three Friends was my first, and still my favorite GG. How about everyone
else?

Phil

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Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1999 19:10:50 -0400
From: "David and Stacey Shur" 
Subject: gg: 3 Friends- the BEST

> Three Friends was my first, and still my favorite GG. How about everyone
> else?
> Phil

It was my first, and favorite.  AtT is right behind.......   -David Eric

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Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1999 19:57:54 EDT
From: Dokwebb@aol.com
Subject: gg: Stray Dog, Keneally

Scott Steele wrote
>Hi Dok - I used to have the LP called While You're Down There.  I remember I 
didn't like it much except for one instrumental called Worldwinds where the 
guitar player got an echo device to play with.

That is the only song off that record (their 2nd I believe from '74) that is 
included on this 2 CD set.  It's basically their first album from '73 with a 
few extra tracks and a live disc that was mixed by Kevin Gilbert!  And 
mastered by him and Bob Katz.  This smokes!  It's basically 70's hard rock 
but the energy level is through the roof!  Ole Snuffy can sure play that 
guitar and Les Simpson on drums is maniacal.

Thanks to the Rockin Revd and Bill T. on insight to the new Keneally disc... 
I had been wondering about it and tried to purchase at my local CD shop but 
they didn't have it in stock.... 

np: Turn Century Turn, various artists  "Space Rock and Psychedelia from 
around the Globe"

doktor

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Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1999 20:11:10 -0400 (EDT)
From: mammienun@webtv.net
Subject: Re: gg: Re: various and sundry

Ooh, a Bradleypoll...Octopus. 1st and foremost. IMHO. Love BitB, River,
and Dog's Life (I used to get really goofy on that when I was 13). Give
the nun a bone he won't leave you alone. Hey...don't start! Mammiehetero
(I'm quite sure).

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Date: Fri, 03 Sep 1999 17:24:24 -0700
From: "Scott Steele" 
Subject: gg: CJAM blues; Dan; Zn; Progressive Music; Nashville; Tull remasters; Traffic; stones in Wales; KCMex

>http://www.uwindsor.ca/cjam/contents.htm

Cool man!  Would you consider writing a song called C-Jam Blues?

>I was introduced to GG in 1987 (!) by a friend who lent me "The Power and The Glory."  I didn't like it, particularly for the vocals.
Several weeks later, I found myself humming "Proclamation" and "So Sincere," asked to borrow the album again, and loved it.

Wow Dan!  I thought for sure you had seen them back in the day.

>My first GG experience was finding the debut album in a local
library around '92. I liked it at once, and decided on a whim
to get to hear their albums in chronological order. The scheme
worked up to IaGH!

Cool!  Then what happened Zn?

>I'm new to this newletter and new to Progressive Music having only heard the term for the first time this past year.

Welcome.  Do you think the term is as useless and misleading as the word "fusion" is?  I do.

>When I saw Adrian Belew in Nashville I was really surprised to see that _I_ was not the only one who had traveled a few
hundred miles to see him.

Are you going back to see Crimson in November?  I would love to be there but don't think I can reconcile going there from Oregon.

>I recently got the gold CD of Songs from the Wood.  IMHO it is as good, or better than my LP.  IA was involved in the remastering.  Definitely worth the very high price I paid for it at Best Buy.

I enjoy the MoFi Passion Play quite a bit.  The sound is deluxe and the fact that the CD is cut up into 15 "songs" is very interesting.

>np: Traffic - On the road

A groove fest.  I love it.  Only thing I like better is Traffic Live in Santa Monica 1972 because I was there.

>Unnacceptable. As penance you will go and count the number of stones in Wales.

Now they know how many stones it takes to fill the Albert Hall.

>Am I the only one having trouble downloading this???  I went
to:  http://license.keyconnect.com/wm/dgm/    and I saw a link for downloading the concert, but when I click it, I get a box saying "Not currently available for MacIntosh"  (I'm using a PC).  Any clues from anyone here?  Are there any other sites hosting this download?

I had trouble until I downloaded it to a directory with no long file names - then it worked.

>GG should get back together and do a show just for Dan. This would be a great way to show their appreciation for the work that he's done. IMHO.  Don't you think 'Dan' deserves it? I do.

Yes, ma'am, mammie.

>Keep on Crinting

Wilton Carpet

>It seems a few folks may have mistaken my sig from the other day...I was paraphrasing "My name is Panurge, and I have come from hell!"

Oh.  Well.  That's different.

>Maybe it's the coming fall or the fact that I've been gone for almost 2 years. I just figured it might be time to come back to the fold!!

Well of course it is Mr. Floater.  I couldn't get you to believe that my name is Mr. and Mrs. John Q. Smith of Anytown USA, could I?  - S.

np:  Tribal Tech bootlegs up the old wazoo.

scottst@ohsu.edu

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Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1999 20:26:26 EDT
From: Claudio666@aol.com
Subject: Re: gg: First album, first GG Experience (TM)

In a message dated 9/3/99 12:26:17 PM Mountain Daylight Time, 
dbarrett@blazemonger.com writes:

<< On September 3, 1999, David J. Loftus wrote:
 >Dan Barrett, the keeper of the flame, the GG home page king -- never 
 >bought a GG album when it first came out, let alone saw the band live?
 
 Sad but true! I hadn't even heard GG's name until 1987, though I might have
 seen the "giant face" in record stores.
 
 Never saw them live... sigh! I also hadn't seen them on video until two
 weeks ago, when I saw the BBC Radio One show. >>

Was that the sound of a bubble bursting? Oh! I think so!  But you're 
doing/have done a magnificent job.  Thank you.  I mean that.

(One of the other) Dan(s) who saw them 5 times live and bought every album 
after Octopus new! (Sorry...)

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Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1999 20:35:04 -0700
From: "Frank Lauria" 
Subject: gg: fusion & schmoozin'

Just read this on the Porcupine Tree list--good news to us fusion-heads
(read: me and Sqeele):

"While we wait for the 'new' Mahavishnu Orchestra  in two weeks, I thought I
mention two fusion cds I just got. Lenny White "Big City" and "Venusian
Summer". These were recorded in the late 70s and have just been reissued on
Wounded Bird. WB is a new label started by the dude who started One Way"

Also, YEAH, RICH!  Thanks for picking a GORGG restaurant right around the
corner from my hotel (Flatotel is on 52nd between 6th and 7th, the Heartland
at 6th avenue & 51st street).  Anybody else gonna be Flat-landers?

P-Frank

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Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1999 20:49:44 -0400 (EDT)
From: Daniel Barrett 
Subject: Re: gg: First album, first GG Experience (TM)

On September 3, 1999, NoMorePhil@aol.com wrote:
>You know Dan the part about not having seen the video until two weeks ago
>kind of leaves me dumbfounded.  Not like it wasn't readily available.  Was
>it a bootleg issue with you or what?

Not a bootleg issue -- it's just that the video medium isn't really part of
my life.  I almost never spend time in front of a TV.  (I'm embarrassed to
say, the video sat on my desk for two months before I had a chance to view
it.)

It was enjoyable watching the BitB though!

                                                        Dan

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Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1999 20:50:58 EDT
From: Claudio666@aol.com
Subject: Re: gg: It's time to uncloak

In a message dated 9/3/99 2:22:51 PM Mountain Daylight Time, 
severian@avataq.qc.ca writes:

<< Maybe it's the coming fall or the fact that I've been gone for almost 2
 years. I just figured
 it might be time to come back to the fold!! >>

Welcome back my friend to the show that never ends...

Dan (One of the newbies...relatively)

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Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1999 20:53:25 EDT
From: Claudio666@aol.com
Subject: Re: gg: 1st album & following the threads

In a message dated 9/3/99 9:52:08 AM Mountain Daylight Time, 
dashthecat@webtv.net writes:

<< I'm new to this newletter and new to Progressive Music having only heard
 the term for the first time this past year.  >>

Allow me to be one of the many welcoming you to this list, where you will 
learn everything you wanted to know about prog but were afraid to ask.  And 
then some...

Dan666 (there's just so many damn Dans!)

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Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1999 21:09:20 EDT
From: Claudio666@aol.com
Subject: Re: gg: fusion & schmoozin'

In a message dated 9/3/99 6:36:56 PM Mountain Daylight Time, 
Frank.Lauria@worldnet.att.net writes:

<< Just read this on the Porcupine Tree list--good news to us fusion-heads
 (read: me and Sqeele):
 
 "While we wait for the 'new' Mahavishnu Orchestra  in two weeks, I thought I
 mention two fusion cds I just got. Lenny White "Big City" and "Venusian
 Summer". These were recorded in the late 70s >>

Hey now, I've got both of these on vinyl. Doesn't that make me a 
"fusion-head" too?  Or am I just an "RTF solo works" kind of guy??  I didn't 
know it was such an exclusive club...

BTW Frank, thanks for the tape, you still haven't told me what you want in 
return...

Dan6

n.d. Molson Canadian (Thanks Mark!)
n.p. Broncos/49ers on the radio cause it ain't on TV!!!  I'm out of the 100 
mile radius.

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Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1999 20:13:04 -0500
From: "Phil Bradley" 
Subject: Re: gg: Re: various and sundry

> Ooh, a Bradleypoll

My question was not so much "What was your first GG purchase?" but based on
Rich's and my experience, "Does first = favorite for anyone else?"

Phil

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Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1999 21:17:28 EDT
From: Claudio666@aol.com
Subject: Re: gg: I like this real GG content!

In a message dated 9/3/99 7:14:28 PM Mountain Daylight Time, 
pbradley@apex.net writes:

<< My question was not so much "What was your first GG purchase?" but based on
 Rich's and my experience, "Does first = favorite for anyone else? >>

My 1st was Octopus. My favorite is Power & the Glory.  Sorry to break the 
mold...

Dan6
n.d. why yes I am, thank you
s.p. Broncos on the wireless

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Date: Sat, 4 Sep 1999 03:57:38 +0200
From: Steffen Barabasch 
Subject: gg: Yes, GG first

Just my $0.02...

>My favorite spots were when he said "Almost Like Love" was the best song on
>Big Generator and "Arriving UFO" was the true classic from Tormato.  Did I
>miss something?

Well, Arriving UFO may have the most ridiculous lyrics ever written, 
but I really love the rest of the song. Though it doesn't need that 
much to become the best song on Tormato. It's not neccessarily their 
best album ;-)

>Good god.  I suppose TfTO either has its place or might have benefited
>from an editor, but anyone who cannot appreciate _Relayer_ is an idiot.

Couldn't agree more. Without a doubt their best album, IMHO. Moraz is 
incredible, both his playing and his synth sounds. I really 
appreciate their albums with Wakeman, especially Close To The Edge, 
but he pales in comparison.

Well, what was I listening to in 1973? I guess I was listening to 
some children's songs my mother sang for me or something. Damn, you 
guys are *old*, you know that? ;-)

Heard about GG in 95, I think. Someone in the Dream Theater mailing 
list mentioned "River" and called it the definite prog rock song, 
maybe because it got a bit of everything. I went to the record store, 
grabbed the LINE release of "Octopus" and listened to it. Thought it 
was funny, but somehow pretty weird. Trumpets, ugh. Finally this 
infamous song "River" came, and I liked it somehow, but not enough to 
get the CD. A week or two later I listened to "Octopus" once again, 
because I didn't get this damn vocal melody of "River" out of my 
head. Still puzzled by the weirdness of this band. Gave it another 
try another week later. This time I didn't laugh about this funny 
album, instead all of a sudden felt a lot of respect for this band. 
Got it this time.

Next one was IAGH. Loved the weirdness of "An Inmate's Lullaby", but 
never liked the weird atmosphere of this album. Some incredible 
stuff, like the beginning of Experience, Runaway and the title song, 
but I think they tried to put too much into each song. GG weren't 
that kind of band that created 20-minute-epics, they almost always 
wrote compact and cohesive songs, and this album showed that that was 
what they were best at. Oh, and I *hate* the beginning of "Way Of 
Life", this hyperactive percussion and guitar sounds like DISCO...!

Got the debut and ATT, liked them both. Loved TPATG (So Sincere!). 
Some time later I got Free Hand, and loved it, too, just like Three 
Friends and Interview.

Civilian isn't too bad, but does absolutely nothing for me, GFAD just sucks.

I never got TMP, because I never liked it when I previously listened 
to it. Just a few days ago I bravely gave it another listen (just the 
first side, don't have a recording of the rest) , and really liked 
it! Good news for you TMP lovers, seems as if I could appreciate at 
least one of the infamous last 3 albums. ;-) I will try to find the 
rest of the album somewhere (maybe I find a used CD, the only one I 
could get here new is the BGO-2-in-1-release, and I HATE the crappy 
FH/Interview CD they made!) and give it another try. A lot better 
than GFAD, maybe this album's stupidity blurred my memory of TMP.

Wow, that came out long...

Steffen
- --
Steffen Barabasch (mailto:TheMirror@westend.com)

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Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1999 19:02:48 -0700 (PDT)
From: JohnEric 
Subject: Re: gg: It's time to uncloak

Congratulations.  Sounds like you live a good life.  I would love to visit
the northern tribes of Scandinavia ... the fjords, to be specific.  Have
you seen them?  I'd probably take a Holland America cruise.

JohnEric  

- --- Daniel G  wrote:
> Hi you all!
> 
> Maybe it's the coming fall or the fact that I've been gone for almost 2
> years. I just figured
> it might be time to come back to the fold!! So many things happened
> since I
> last read you all. The most important is that I got married!! and had
> been
> runnin' around for a while prior to the change of status visiting some
> of
> the coldest places on earth (my beloved Eastern Arctic, Greenland, went
> back twice to Scandinavia where I met my then future wife..., where I
> also
> discovered Pusher Street in Christiania, a hippy stronghold in
> Copenhagen,
> and sampled some of the super dansk herbs, so much that I changed my
> plane
> ticket then and got lost in Amsterdam for a while...  well, enough of
> that
> paradisiac period). I eventually found my way back home, and
> unfortunately
> went back to work (sigh!).
> 
> Anyway, glad to be back. I can see that things didn't change so much.
> When
> and how we discovered our beloved gg (I guess the demise of the band
> almost
> 20 years ago have something to do with the circular motion of OR ). But
> I
> am happy to answer this once more:
> 
> It was in 74 or 75 (I was either 14 or 15 - damn memory sometimes), I
> was
> perusing in the lp section of the only place where I could by lps , and
> there was that huge colourful face staring at me from one of the racks.
> After an hour of looking around and not knowing what to buy, I finally
> decided to purchase that album without knowing anything about it. The
> band
> name was GG and the album had the same name. I went back home, and
> played
> the lp on my antiquated pick-up!! That was it. Loved it instantly
> because
> it was different from what I was listening to at the time (i.e., Moody
> Blues Every Good Boy..., which was incidently my first ever purchase,
> Deep
> Purple's Fireball, which was the second, and Alice Cooper's Killer,
> which
> was the third-and that would make GG the fourth!).  Next in line was AtT
> that I like even better, then Free Hand came out, bought it. In 1976, I
> had
> in my possesion every lp they did (including In'terview), with the
> exception of IaGH that I bought in 1977 (and I still have it, and is
> exceptionally good condition, as well as the Terrapin CD).  For me, GG
> opened the doors to other prog bands, but none ever had the same impact,
> except maybe VDGG, but for entirely different reasons. I guess that
> makes
> GG my favorite prog band. I liked Yes, but not enough to go frenzy about
> them (in fact, I like them better now than then). That's enough for now.
> 
> Hear you all in cyberspace
> 
> Daniel G (who once pretended he was Avataq a floating man)
> 
> P.S. Heard of your reunion in the States. Loved to be there but I won't
> be
> able to make it since my wife is in stand-by for permanent residency in
> Canada, and I could not think of going to the States without her (she'd
> never forgive me - no she's not into GG, but she's never been to the
> States, and she'd like to go... so it will be for the next time).
> 
> 
> 


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Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1999 19:15:50 -0700 (PDT)
From: JohnEric 
Subject: Re: gg: Re: on-reflection-digest V1 #1847

I like the Yes revolving door.

JohnEric

- --- "David J. Loftus"  wrote:
> 
> 
> On Fri, 3 Sep 1999 JAskelly@aol.com wrote:
> 
> > While discussing the Yes bio, Close to the Edge, I wrote:
> > 
> > < > days (of course, that's fine with me, but maybe not for some others). 
> 
> > After spending a few chapters on the Banks era, he covers the entire 
> > Moraz years in about seven pages!  Just a bit lopsided.  Still, it's 
> > got some cool info, so I'd recommend it.
> > >>
> > 
> > Then Gary asked:
> > 
> > < > editorial slant.  I suspect the former.  For while Welch does like the
> > earliest stuff, he pans both Tales from Topographic Oceans and Relayer
> and
> > loves 90125.  So I'm definitely not in agreement with his editorial 
> > stance, but it was an enjoyable read nonetheless.
> > >>
> > 
> > Yeah, I was referring to the amount of space.  I love the early days, 
> > including the Banks era, so I was happy to see so much written there, 
> > but it just didn't seem like he was proceeding in a fair, methodical 
> > way through their entire history.
> 
> 
> Good god.  I suppose TfTO either has its place or might have benefited 
> from an editor, but anyone who cannot appreciate _Relayer_ is an idiot.
> 
> 
> David Loftus
> 

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Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1999 19:17:44 -0700 (PDT)
From: JohnEric 
Subject: Re: gg: NOGG: New Tull

I've seen it ... I'll buy it.

JohnEric

- --- Dan Weese  wrote:
> 
> >Actually, I have looked ... but word has it that the re-masters were
> >poorly done, and that Tull was considering a redo on some of them.
> 
> I recently got the gold CD of Songs from the Wood.  IMHO it is as good,
> or 
> better than my LP.  IA was involved in the remastering.  Definitely
> worth 
> the very high price I paid for it at Best Buy.
> 
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Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1999 22:57:55 -0400 (EDT)
From: mammienun@webtv.net
Subject: gg: Apprehension..

Is it safe to go to a concert anymore? After Woodstock '99? What if I
hoot 'n holler during a show...will Dr.J be waiting in the wings to
shoot me? Is it true that I could sustain serious permanent hearing
loss? Eh? What did you say? No, I'm not really a nun. WAIVER: The gibe
at the good Dr. was only good natured ribbing...I can practically feel
my elbow in his side! All kidding aside..he's the best freind you'll
ever have in cyberspace...as long as he's on your side! Ez

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Date: Fri, 3 Sep 1999 23:31:43 -0400 (EDT)
From: mammienun@webtv.net
Subject: Re: gg: Apprehension..

Having the pleasure to speak with both John and Dr. J on a personal
level...I sense a wee bit of animosity here! Far be it from me to play
mediator...let's put our little tommy guns away boys...Peace,
mammielove! ROLFL

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Date: Fri, 03 Sep 1999 22:59:02 -0500
From: Steve and Terry Lottich 
Subject: gg: Firsts

The first album I ever owned was Rubber Soul.  I think my parents bought it
for me.  Guess I would've been about 10?  My younger brother and my best
friend and I had a pretend band where we played along with the songs.  It's
a well-documented fact that we were the first people to ever play air guitar!

Don't remember the first I ever bought myself, but it was probably Beatles
or Monkees.  I eventually had the first 2 Beatles and everything from Help!
forward (the American versions of course), and all the Monkees.  Other
early albums owned were Golden Grass (a Grass Roots compilation),
Steppenwolf Live, Guess Who's Share the Land, and Three Dog Night's
Suitable for Framing.

I suppose my first prog would've been either the first ELP or Fragile.  Or
Aqualung.

First single owned:  Alfi & Harry - The Trouble with Harry (not rock).
Anybody know this one?

First single bought:  Windy!

First (and only) prog single:  Still... You Turn Me On b/w Brain Salad
Surgery (bought it because BSS was not on any album at the time).

First CD:  Dark Side of the Moon.  This was a Christmas present from my
wife 'cause she knew my parents got me a CD player.  Of course she couldn't
give me the CD before I got the player (I didn't already have one), so she
said she had a special present for me that I couldn't have until we got
home from my parents' house.  I thought I was getting sex!  Silly me!

Steve Lottich

ps:  No, having email at home has *not* made it any easier to keep up with
you guys!  By the time I get a chance at the PC, I usually have a couple
hundred messages to download!

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Date: Sat, 04 Sep 1999 16:32:53 +1200
From: "Keri Ford" 
Subject: gg: GG/First album/Barrett

 dashthecat@webtv.net wrote:

>I'm new to this newletter and new to Progressive Music having only heard
>the term for the first time this past year.

Welcome! i don't venerate the term "prog" but love Yes, GG, Jethro Tull and
some Rush  "Hemispheres", also been getting into some Genesis lately. King
crimson i have been interested in but it always seems to be a near miss with
me. I almost really like it, but I don't.
>
>Since I plan on staying around I thought I may as well join in.  My
>first album was Donovans Mellow Yellow.  I was and still am a Beatles
>fan. 

The Beatles rule! In answer to the survey GG are not my favorite band
Beatles and Beach Boys/Brian Wilson are. Why am I on the list? Because I
like GG a lot after the above mentioned they're in a group of the next
popular with Yes, Jethro Tull, Split Enz possibly Captain Beefheart and I
have been enjoying Robert Wyatt's Shleep and Rock Bottom tremendously
lately. I don't know anyone else who likes GG so it is interesting and
reassuring to be on this list. Also the other music people like on this list
is very interesting too. I have been on one other list and found this one
much more interesting and good humoured.

I think the first album I bought aged 9 was Black Sabbath Master of Reality
, but a particularly vivid memory was discovering my brothers Yes albums
Fragile and CttE. I was absolutely blown away and I still am when I listen
to them. First GG was Interview which had something about it I liked but i
was dubious, but I loved IaGH this made a lasting impression and it is the
only one I have always kept. I didn't really like 1st album or AtT, Freehand
I did and even got quite fond of GfaD. But it is only recently that I got
them all again on CD and now I think they are all fantastic. Civilian is my
only missing piece.


 Bill T wrote:
>
> I'd just like to emphasize a bit...Nonkertompf is the best thing I've
heard in a long time, and if you 
>approach it as a sort of soundtrack to the dream-movie of an irrepressibly 
>loveable kid, you'll get it right away.  I sure did.  And how.
>
>I guess this means I recommend it wholeheartedly!

I have only recently discovered Keneally I've got Hat and Sluggo, but if you
want a sample of Nonkertompf you can get it at his excellent website: 
http://www.keneally.com/ 
Keneally has humour, playfullness, warmth, complexity, contrast abundance
and joy. very much worth checking out.

An old thread: the subject of Syd Barrett came up a while ago and  didn't
get any positive responses the general impression was that his solo stuff
was for Pink Floyd completists only. I disagree, I think Syd is not for
Floyd fans at all. I prefer his work to any Pink Floyd it has real charm, if
a bit nutty and sad in the light of his subsequent mental illness. But both
his solo albums have something going for them but it is not a ponderous
serious Pink Floydey kind of thing it is a quirky spare, sad, innocent
thing. Robert Wyatt has said nice things about Syd as early Soft Machine
played on a couple of tracks of Mad Cap Laughs, and I think there is some
correspondence between Syd and Roberts Songwriting.

Ciao

Keri
np Robert Wyatt: the Animals Movie

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Date: Sat, 4 Sep 1999 00:39:37 -0400 (EDT)
From: mammienun@webtv.net
Subject: Re: gg: Firsts

Poor baby! I just adore Temptation Eyes! Late night Lottice...how
refreshing. You gotta love me..love me tonight. Ez

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Date: Sat, 04 Sep 1999 00:16:57 -0500
From: Steve and Terry Lottich 
Subject: gg: ooh

Bill:
> My first LP was Rubber Soul.  That may explain a lot.

then Jeff S:
> Well I bought some Beatles (Hey Jude, Abbey Road and Let It Be), Guess Who
> (Share The Land), Steppenwolf (Live)

I didn't read these until after I'd posted mine.  Kinda spooky how these
little life-parallels sometimes pop up.

Steve

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Date: Sat, 4 Sep 1999 01:21:21 -0400 (EDT)
From: mammienun@webtv.net
Subject: gg: Welcome....

As you might have noticed...I have a lot of bull...er...pull around
here. I can maybe pull a few strings...get you noticed. A little dash of
this...a pinch of that. It all adds up to a lot of favour...er...flavor.
BTW, My cat is Roger...Roger the Dodger. Let me know if I can be of any
assistance, mammie...the nun that cares.

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Date: Sat, 04 Sep 1999 00:20:39 -0500
From: Steve and Terry Lottich 
Subject: gg: i feel soooo stupid...

> Ez

I finally figured this out!  DUH!!!

Sheepish Steve

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Date: Sat, 4 Sep 1999 01:42:35 -0400 (EDT)
From: mammienun@webtv.net
Subject: gg: I just can't contain myself!

I feel like I'm gonna explode. For those still trying to figure out what
Ez means...well, I 'm not exploding. Ez

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Date: Sat, 4 Sep 1999 01:59:05 -0700
From: "Frank Lauria" 
Subject: gg: 1st=favorite, +

"Acquiring the Taste" was the 1st GG I ever heard, and it's eerie,
out-of-left-field-ness still keeps it my favorite...just *barely* edging out
"In a Glass House".  (Today, anyway...)

P-Frank

P.S.--No fusion slight intended, Claudio--there are many fusion brothers
here (and hopefully some sisters, too, which brings me to...)

P.P.S.--Glad to see more females joining the list.  Just remember, there are
no glass ceilings in prog...just Glass Houses.

P.P.P.S.--Chromatic, eh, Ginny?  ...could it be "Pantagruel's Nativity"?

P.P.P.P.S.--1st album bought: a classical box set, incl. Ludwig van's 5th &
Tchaikovsky's "Swan Lake", performed by the no-name symphony orchestra.

P.P.P.P.P.S.--You couldn't have invented air-guitar, Slotto--*I* was playing
air-guitar to "I Saw Her Standing There" when the Beatles were on the
Sullivan show (God, am I that old?!?)!

P.P.P.P.P.P.S.--Mammie, there's still time to move your crew to the
Flatotel!

P.P.P.P.P.P.P.S.--Biffy quotes Ian Anderson about "bad guys in history" who
wore wire-rim spectacles...I dunno, does Sheryl Crow wear glasses?

P.P.P.P.P.P.P.P-Frank

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Date: Sat, 04 Sep 1999 01:00:18 -0500
From: Steve and Terry Lottich 
Subject: Re: gg: This should get your attention.

At 11:15 PM 9/1/99 -0400, mammienun@webtv.net wrote:
>Please answer the following 2-part question. 1st part) Is Gentle Giant
>your favorite band? If your answer is yes that's it! You're done! 2nd
>part) For those 'others', please answer the multiple
>choice/fill-in-the-blank question. Why are you on this list? A) The
>people are ______ (friendlier, smarter, cooler, etc.) than the people on
>the ______ (Yes, Genesis, Nirvana, other) list. B) My favorite band
>doesn't have a list so this is better than nothing! C) I have my reasons
>and I don't have to explain or justify them to a ______ ( compliment,
>expletive, etc.) nun! D) I'm an ______ (escaped, deranged, recently
>released, etc.) mental patient. E) Other. (Please explain) Thank you for
>your timely response and attention to detail. Ez  

Part the first:  no, so...

Part the second:  mostly A).  People here are the most knowledgeable
(musically and otherwise) and the most fun of any list I've been on.

Steve

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Date: Sat, 4 Sep 1999 02:10:35 -0700
From: "Frank Lauria" 
Subject: gg: NoGG: Tull

Interview with Ian Anderson in Rolling Stone:

http://rollingstone.tunes.com/sections/news/text/newsarticle.asp?afl=mail2&N
ewsID=9029&ArtistID=2319&origin=news

(copy and paste if the hyperlink gets truncated)

P-Frank

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Date: Sat, 04 Sep 1999 01:26:10 -0500
From: Steve and Terry Lottich 
Subject: Re: gg: 1st=favorite, +

P.P.P.P.P.P.P.P-Frank:
>P.P.P.P.P.S.--You couldn't have invented air-guitar, Slotto--*I* was playing
>air-guitar to "I Saw Her Standing There" when the Beatles were on the
>Sullivan show (God, am I that old?!?)!

Actually, I invented it in the womb in 1955, but there's no surviving
documentation!

Slottocaster

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Date: Sat, 04 Sep 1999 01:28:33 -0500
From: Steve and Terry Lottich 
Subject: [none]

> L.S.M.F.T.

Lottich Says "Me Fuckin' Tired."  Good night.  

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Date: Sat, 4 Sep 1999 03:51:50 EDT
From: SPBrader@aol.com
Subject: Re: gg: Phil's Big Pole...er..Poll

Fillup clarified:

<< My question was not so much "What was your first GG purchase?" but based on
 Rich's and my experience, "Does first = favorite for anyone else?" >>

First = Octopus
Favourite = TPatG

So,

No.

Si.
n.p. Eloy : Colours

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Date: Sat, 4 Sep 1999 03:51:52 EDT
From: SPBrader@aol.com
Subject: Re: gg: Firsts

A triumph of hope over experience as Steve relates:

<< This was a Christmas present from my
 wife 'cause she knew my parents got me a CD player.  Of course she couldn't
 give me the CD before I got the player (I didn't already have one), so she
 said she had a special present for me that I couldn't have until we got
 home from my parents' house.  I thought I was getting sex!  Silly me! >>

Silly indeed. You *know* that only happens on your Birthday!

Si

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Date: Sat, 4 Sep 1999 04:00:16 EDT
From: SPBrader@aol.com
Subject: Re: gg: I just can't contain myself!

Ez writes:

<< I feel like I'm gonna explode. For those still trying to figure out what
 Ez means...well, I 'm not exploding. Ez >>

I figured it out weeks ago, but in doing so furher damaged my injured neck! 
It's your fault I'm not ggoingg to NYC. Buy me a ticket immediately. ~ -Eoz

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Date: Sat, 4 Sep 1999 04:06:14 EDT
From: SPBrader@aol.com
Subject: Re: gg: 1st=favorite, +

Stratoslottich writes:

<< >P.P.P.P.P.S.--You couldn't have invented air-guitar, Slotto--*I* was 
playing
 >air-guitar to "I Saw Her Standing There" when the Beatles were on the
 >Sullivan show (God, am I that old?!?)!
 
 Actually, I invented it in the womb in 1955, but there's no surviving
 documentation! >>

What were you playing along with? 'Journey to the placenta of the Earth'?

Si
n.p. Egg: Seven is a Jolly Good Time

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Date: Sat, 4 Sep 1999 10:47:34 +0100
From: Bob Taylor 
Subject: gg: CJAM blues; Dan; Zn; Progressive Music; Nashville; Tull remasters; Traffic; stones in Wales; KCMex

In message , Scott Steele
 writes
>>Unnacceptable. As penance you will go and count the number of stones in Wales.
>
>Now they know how many stones it takes to fill the Albert Hall.
>
>
And I suppose you'll want an update on the number of holes in Blackburn,
Lancashire? Shame on those who say it's just one large hole. I quite
like the town, even though I bought  AtT  there and had to take the CD
back to the shop when I found the "bend" ....
 
Bob
- -- 
Bob Taylor

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Date: Sat, 4 Sep 1999 06:00:50 -0400
From: "Richard Worthy" 
Subject: gg: Re: 1st=favorite, +

1st album was Interview. Have to say that my favorite is --- Well ----
Interview

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Date: Sat, 04 Sep 1999 06:46:01 EDT
From: "Virginia Landgraf" 
Subject: gg: various Mammiepolls

(1) How and when did you first hear GG, and when you did, did you start 
buying all their albums?

Late 1981, in long sets on a show called "Fresh Air" that aired after 
midnight while I was doing my homework.  I had started listening to college 
radio around the time that King Crimson's "Discipline" had come out, which 
I'd read about but the AOR station wouldn't play.  So I'd hear these long 
sets of captivating music and then not be able to remember which song was 
which.  "Gentle Giant" was one of the band names I remember hearing.  Then 
Fresh Air got taken off the air, and it wasn't until the summer of '82, when 
I had just graduated from high school, that I heard the GG song that would 
get me hooked -- "Memories of Old Days," on another college station.  It was 
earlier in the evening, so maybe I was more awake . . . or maybe it's 
because I've always been partial to Celtic-influenced stuff and already had 
all the Tull albums.

Then I went off to college and started working at a radio station myself, 
and GG was one of many bands I was discovering at the time, so I didn't 
become a GG completist then.  I had all of Canterbury to catch up on, etc., 
etc., etc. . . . .

(2) Is GG your favorite band?

Too many bands I like to have a clear favorite.  Also too many periods in my 
life when I haven't been able to keep up with recorded music at all.  GG are 
amazing, sublime, and put out a string of albums from the 1st through 
Interview that is equaled by few.

(3) Why are you on this list as opposed to . . .
O-R has the wackiest conversations, and there are people on this list who 
know more about @@@@, ####, and [pick any sub-genre of music, except for 
Thai music and Sacred Harp] than I do.  I'm also on a spin-off of the Kansas 
list called ProgAndOther that isn't as wacky as this one but is running a 
tape circle for which I volunteered to be the administrator, and I'm on 
sabbatical from a few other lists.

(4) What was the first record you had?

In 1973, when I was 9, my parents gave me a record player and some classical 
records.  The ones I recall most distinctly were Beethoven's 3rd Symphony, a 
red vinyl 10" of the overture to Carl Maria von Weber's "Der Freischütz," 
and -- the one which made the most impact on me -- _Switched-On Bach_.

The first records I asked my parents to get me for birthdays or Christmas 
were Jean-Joseph Mouret's "Fanfares" (the first of which is the Masterpiece 
Theatre theme) and Pachelbel's Canon, peformed by the Jean-François Paillard 
Chamber Orchestra (but it's the Pachelbel suites after the canon that stuck 
in my head the most).

The first tapes I recorded ambiently from the radio were of WCLV Saturday 
Night, a folk/comedy show.  Some of my favorite songs were a song called 
"Corlain (sp.?) Regatta" by a local (Cleveland area) Celtic band called 
Rakish Paddy, "Four Strong Winds" by Ian & Sylvia, and "Deteriorata" by 
National Lampoon.

(5) What was the first record you bought with your own money?

Styx's _The Grand Illusion_, in 1979.  I started listening to rock radio 
fairly late in life, when I was already into my teens.  The second one I 
bought was Cheap Trick, _Live at Budokan_.  The third one was Kansas, _Two 
for the Show_, and that one really blew me away.  Then I started collecting 
all the Kansas albums, and then I started buying Tull & Floyd too, and then 
I discovered the used record store...

(6) Did AtT blow you away when you first heard it?

Not really, either because I was already thoroughly familiar with _Octopus_ 
and tMP, or because I bought it during a summer when I was away from my 
record player and when I got back I had too many recordings to absorb at 
once.

But now it's my favorite GG album.

Ginny

was playing before coming to the computer lab: Gone Orchestra Plus 7/27 
sessions.  Thanks, Scott!  This is a beauty.  Don't miss it!
will play when I get back: nothing.  Going off to sing Sacred Harp all day.

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