on-reflection-digest Tuesday, September 7 1999 Volume 01 : Number 1853 gg: Welcome! Re: no gg: More New Tull gg: Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1999 16:25:48 +0200 gg: Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1999 16:25:48 +0200 gg: Monkees / First = Favorite?? gg: music in '73? Re: gg: Firsts Re: gg: Re: on-reflection-digest V1 #1847 Re: gg: Re: First LP poll and some GG gg: Bill T; 1st GG; Lenny White; we're old; Lemon Brutus; E-wiz; Gone Orch Plus; Land Re: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Re:=20gg:=20=B11973?= Re: gg: Addition to the Oldham Family Re: gg: =?iso-8859-1?Q?=B11973?= gg: Gabriel; Carl Lewis; Angel; Humble Pie gg: first 45 gg: Re: Re: many thanks gg: Year of the Pout/Boil That/Theories/MoFi/Polls gg: RE: Re: invitro pre-music theory gg: NEARfest 2000 - looking good. =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Re:=20gg:=20=B11973?= gg: Fusebros; bad influence; Wetton/Palmer-James; 9/9/99; NCAA football; Etcetera gg: HtM; Welcome Brooke; Sabbath Bloody Sabbath Re: gg: great news Re: nongg: great news re: Whitaker & HTM Re: gg: Re: on-reflection-digest V1 #1847 gg: A look at the setlist gg: Yes opener gg: Hogs In Wolfs Clothing Re: gg: Firsts Re: gg: Re: First LP poll and some GG gg: More Jimmy Johns artwork gg: make womb for air guitar Re: nongg: great news re: Whitaker & HTM gg: About the YES setlist again Re: gg: Terrapin Free Hand ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 07 Sep 1999 09:46:17 EDT From: "Reginald Dunlop" Subject: gg: Welcome! Hello Ginats! "Kathy" dashthecat@webtv.net wrote: >I wanted to thank all of you who welcomed me publicly and privately to >the newsletter. Welcome! > I have already had some good advice, and not just on >Music! You might want to avoid responding to any of my posts. Apparently, I'm a bad ass and difficult. :) Also, refrain from using the words "Jimmy" , "Page" & "Guitar God" in the same sentence. To make your sentence coherent in a nutshell, just add the word "Hack" followed by a period. Thank you. >~meow~ Hubba, hubba! > Kathy Fritz The Cat(REG) ;) ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 07 Sep 1999 10:20:31 EDT From: "Virginia Landgraf" Subject: Re: no gg: More New Tull Rik Beck wrote: <> Mine arrived on Friday, and between running around trying to find things to furnish the room I'm moving into and trying to get some editing work done, I've listened to it about 4 times, twice with the randomizer. My initial verdict is that it's quite good -- I'm not as blown away by it as I was by _Roots to Branches_, but it's *much* better than _Rock Island_ or _Catfish Rising_. I *love* "A Gift of Roses" (and it may be humming on my kaen as soon as I can figure out how to compensate for the modulation I'll have to cut out). The riff from "El Nino" was going through my head as I woke up this morning (even though the last album I played before going to sleep was Kerry Livgren's _Prime Mover II_). Somehow Ian's figured out a way to sing in the studio that makes his now-damaged voice sound haunting and nuanced, even if (from what I read -- I didn't get to see the Tull tour this time around) he can't maintain it for the whole length of a concert. The band sounds alive and interested in what they're doing, and that's more important to me than that I hear something that sounds absolutely "new." Jethro Tull are not Thinking Plague are not 3 Mustaphas 3 are not Arvo Pärt is not Nathan Mahl are not . . . . I just got the new Richard Thompson album too, and I'm not sure I hear anything absolutely "new" in that. Rock'n'roll, psychotic guitar solos, dark humor . . . haven't we heard that from Richard Thompson before? Though I could more easily imagine Thompson guesting with Thinking Plague than Anderson. OK, I have musical quibbles about a few of the songs on the new Tull, if tempted to be an armchair critic: "Hunt by Numbers" could have used a bit more melody in the vocal line (the monotone trick he used in "Valley" doesn't work quite as well on a hard-rock number), and "Mango Surprise" [the reprise of "Hot Mango Flush" that simply repeats that phrase over & over again] cracks me up, but it isn't annoying enough to skip. Good thing my tastes have expanded in the last 20 years, because stuff like Ian Dury's "Hit Me With Your Rhythm Stick" annoyed the heck out of me on the radio when I was a teenager, and that's what it reminds me of -- but now I've been to the tropics and seen those kinds of markets. I wonder how I'd ask for Hot Mango Flush in Thai (sounds like a kind of dessert, not that I remember eating cooked mangoes there -- more the absolutely delicious sweet mangoes w/sticky rice & coconut milk, or, alternatively, green mangoes w/hot sauce). Biffy (?) wrote: <<[Re: WW] In a promo sampler for the album, Ian refers to "bad guys in history" who wore wire-rim spectacles, and introduces this song as being about "one of history's worst, whose name should be forgotten -- unless the harsh lesson needs to be relearned. See if you can figure out the villainous identity." I don't know what he's talking about, myself.>> Now I'm trying to think if I know of any dictators who wore wire-rimmed glasses. I remember cracking my father up once by showing him a picture of one of the Lao Communist leaders who was wearing the same kind of glasses he had -- but they weren't wire-rimmed. Maybe I'm barking up the wrong tree by thinking it has something to do with political dictatorship -- maybe the person who suggested Bill Gates (because of the "Windows" connection) was onto something. Or maybe Ian's just pulling our leg. At any rate, the idea that "one of history's worst" could "laugh like any other child, and Christmas was [his or her] favorite holiday" gives food for thought. Ginny np: nothing -- the computer lab -- and I *must* get back to work! ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1999 07:28:28 -0700 (PDT) From: "Frank B. Carvalho" Subject: gg: Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1999 16:25:48 +0200 This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. - ------_=_NextPart_001_01BEF93C.E17D4530 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >Thanks for that! I had been wondering where Mr. Whitaker had gone off >to...OOO a reformed HTM. Now THAT'S news!!! Ten Jinn ever put out any CDs??? Yes. They are on Record Heavens label. Whitaker is in the CD as well. Go to: www.recordheaven.net Oh, and while you are there, please check out my Etcetera CD too. It's also on Record Heaven. Cheers Frank Carvalho - ------_=_NextPart_001_01BEF93C.E17D4530 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1"

>Thanks for that! I had been wondering where Mr. Whitaker had gone off
>to...OOO a reformed HTM.  Now THAT'S news!!!  Ten Jinn ever put out any CDs???

Yes. They are on Record Heavens label. Whitaker is in the CD as well.
Go to:
www.recordheaven.net

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Oh, and while you are there, please check out my Etcetera CD too.
It's also on Record Heaven.
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Cheers

Frank Carvalho

- ------_=_NextPart_001_01BEF93C.E17D4530-- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1999 07:28:28 -0700 (PDT) From: "Frank B. Carvalho" Subject: gg: Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1999 16:25:48 +0200 This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. - ------_=_NextPart_001_01BEF93C.E17D4530 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >Thanks for that! I had been wondering where Mr. Whitaker had gone off >to...OOO a reformed HTM. Now THAT'S news!!! Ten Jinn ever put out any CDs??? Yes. They are on Record Heavens label. Whitaker is in the CD as well. Go to: www.recordheaven.net Oh, and while you are there, please check out my Etcetera CD too. It's also on Record Heaven. Cheers Frank Carvalho - ------_=_NextPart_001_01BEF93C.E17D4530 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1"

>Thanks for that! I had been wondering where Mr. Whitaker had gone off
>to...OOO a reformed HTM.  Now THAT'S news!!!  Ten Jinn ever put out any CDs???

Yes. They are on Record Heavens label. Whitaker is in the CD as well.
Go to:
www.recordheaven.net

<ADVERTISMENT>
Oh, and while you are there, please check out my Etcetera CD too.
It's also on Record Heaven.
</ADVERTISMENT>

Cheers

Frank Carvalho

- ------_=_NextPart_001_01BEF93C.E17D4530-- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 07 Sep 1999 10:59:41 -0400 From: Bert Rubini Subject: gg: Monkees / First = Favorite?? > First real music LP (not kiddy music stuff) that I bought with my > very own money: the Monkees Headquarters. Lest you scoff at my terminal > uncoolness, pray let me remind you that this album is one of (possibly > THE) the first where they were allowed ANY creative control, and > includes a couple excellent Nez songs and performances. > Doesn't "Zilch" remind you of "Knots", just a little bit? On the "first = favorite" topic, I must say this is a definite trend for me. VERY often, I find that my favorite CD by a particular band or artist is the first one I ever heard. It happens so often that I'm convinced that it's some kind of bias on my part. This includes GG, by the way, the first I heard was TPatG, and it's probably still my favorite (most days). Mr. Doubilina, Mr. Bert Doubilina. np: Sly and the Family Stone, "Family Affair" - -- My homepage - now updated with even more boring photos and mindless tedium!: http://www.hcc.cc.fl.us/services/faculty/bertrubini/home.htm ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1999 11:12:27 -0400 (EDT) From: dashthecat@webtv.net Subject: gg: music in '73? That would have to be Neil Young, James Taylor, Harry Chapin, was still playing the Beatles (had retired the Monkees by then). This was around the time I first heard Tull, KC, Yes and ELP and couldn't stand them, though I warmed up to Tull within a year or so. But that was the year I went to a friends house and said I didn't understand all of the excitement over Pink Floyd. So he had me lie down in the floor and arranged the speakers around my head, turned on the music and let me experience it... Astonishment and awe... It was "Dark Side of the Moon" (naturally) and I had never before heard anything like it. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1999 09:12:53 -0700 (PDT) From: "David J. Loftus" Subject: Re: gg: Firsts On Fri, 3 Sep 1999, Steve and Terry Lottich wrote: > Don't remember the first I ever bought myself, but it was probably Beatles > or Monkees. I eventually had the first 2 Beatles and everything from > Help! forward (the American versions of course), and all the Monkees. > Other early albums owned were Golden Grass (a Grass Roots compilation), Ah, those Midnight Confessions! > Steppenwolf Live, Love that heavy note in "The Pusher" -- much better than the buzzy one on the studio version. > Guess Who's Share the Land, and Three Dog Night's > Suitable for Framing. Ah. That's where we parted company. I simply got the Best of Guess Who collection. Which one is "Suitable for Framing"? The one with "Old Fashioned Love Song"? I had that one and the album with "One" and _Naturally_ of course. ("I Can Hear Ya Callin'" is a better rocker than "Joy to the World," sez I.) I should say that I probably wouldn't have any of these albums if I had had to buy them new. I didn't have that kind of budget or that much desire for these bands. (Well, maybe I would have bought the Guess Who collection anyway.) I bought old, used, scratched-up LPs cheap. David Loftus ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1999 09:28:37 -0700 (PDT) From: "David J. Loftus" Subject: Re: gg: Re: on-reflection-digest V1 #1847 On Mon, 6 Sep 1999, Ant wrote: > -----Original Message----- > From: David J. Loftus > > >Good god. I suppose TfTO either has its place or might have benefited > >from an editor, but anyone who cannot appreciate _Relayer_ is an idiot. > > Actually Tales is just over 80 minutes long. There are quite a few single > CD's of almost 80 minutes nowadays. Length does not necessarily have a lot to do with it. There are plenty of short novels out there which could use a lot more editing than Joyce or Proust. David Loftus ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1999 09:33:39 -0700 (PDT) From: "David J. Loftus" Subject: Re: gg: Re: First LP poll and some GG On Mon, 6 Sep 1999, Diana Green wrote: > hail; > First real music LP (not kiddy music stuff) that I bought with my > very own money: the Monkees Headquarters. Lest you scoff at my terminal > uncoolness, pray let me remind you that this album is one of (possibly > THE) the first where they were allowed ANY creative control, and > includes a couple excellent Nez songs and performances. No scoffing here. There are a number of Monkees (and even Banana Splits) fans on this list. No names, please; we know who we are. Did "Headquarters" precede "Pisces, Aquarius, Capricorn, and Jones, Ltd."? That and "The Birds, The Bees and The Monkees" are very fine albums. David Loftus ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 07 Sep 1999 09:35:41 -0700 From: "Scott Steele" Subject: gg: Bill T; 1st GG; Lenny White; we're old; Lemon Brutus; E-wiz; Gone Orch Plus; Land >Beware, though, I'll probably bring Nonkertompf... Do you have a Discman and some amplified speakers? >> first GG album: Octapus (may still be my favorite) >Three Friends was my first, and still my favorite GG. How about everyone else? IaGH is the first GG I owned (not the first I heard), and it's still my favorite. >Just read this on the Porcupine Tree list--good news to us fusion-heads (read: me and Sqeele): My Bro! >"While we wait for the 'new' Mahavishnu Orchestra in two weeks, I thought I mention two fusion cds I just got. Lenny White "Big City" and "Venusian Summer". These were recorded in the late 70s and have just been reissued on Wounded Bird. WB is a new label started by the dude who started One Way" They both sound *great* in my spinner. Both have transcendent fusion moments - my favorites are Rapid Transit on Big City (with the outstanding quartet of Lenny, Verdine White, Herbie Hancock and Ray Gomez) and Away go troubles down the drain from Venusian Summer (very very funky). >Damn, you guys are *old*, you know that? ;-) yeah, we knew . . . >Is it safe to go to a concert anymore? After Woodstock '99? What if I hoot 'n holler during a show...will Dr.J be waiting in the wings to shoot me? JFK gives the OK to shoot us, drinking Orange Julius and Lemon Brutus. Yes he will. First he will push over the portable toilet you're using, then he'll shoot you. >> Ez >I finally figured this out! DUH!!! I had to ask him. Even after he told me, it still reads like E-wiz to me. >I heard the GG song that would get me hooked -- "Memories of Old Days," on another college station. Mammienuns of old age. >Pachelbel's Canon, Consider the cannons of the Tacobell. Neither do they toil nor spin. They just fire off burritos with extra sour cream in them. Sploot, spiel. >was playing before coming to the computer lab: Gone Orchestra Plus 7/27 sessions. Thanks, Scott! This is a beauty. Don't miss it! Now we have to negotiate who will tape this for Aunt Louise, who showed up at Bumbershoot on Saturday. Quite the family resemblence Ginny! She's delightful. After us at Bumbershoot was Trey Gunn's band called Land. They are outstanding. Trumpet, guitar, keyboards, Trey, and drums, and the drummer plays along with drum loops. They are so gosh-darned good I hope they are the ones that get to open for the new Crimson next time. - S. np: Sarah Brightman on my co-worker's computer scottst@ohsu.edu ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1999 09:36:39 -0700 (PDT) From: "David J. Loftus" Subject: Re: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Re:=20gg:=20=B11973?= On Mon, 6 Sep 1999 WhytePunk@aol.com wrote: > Cool!...is this another poll? I was only 13 when 1973 started, and I > turned 14 halfway through... [snip] > I also remember getting into Loggins and Messina To my regret, I did not discover the live, 11-minute "Angry Eyes" (with the EVIL bass line and INTENSE sax solo -- I'm not normally much of a fan of the saxophone) until something like 1980. David Loftus ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1999 09:37:52 -0700 (PDT) From: "David J. Loftus" Subject: Re: gg: Addition to the Oldham Family On Mon, 6 Sep 1999, Brad Oldham wrote: > My wife and I just returned home to Austin after 3 weeks in Moscow. I'm > happy and proud to report that returning home with us was a beautiful > 15-month old girl, Brooke Elizaveta Oldham. > > Brooke had been in a Moscow orphanage since birth, and we were > fortunate to adopt her so that we can provide her with a loving family > and Gentle Giant music! > > As we were in the car driving from the orphange to our hotel, my wife > and I both noticed Brooke moving to the music on the radio. Once in > the hotel, I fired up the mp3 player on my laptop and watched in joy > as Brooke danced to the PTF versions of Free Hand and Just the Same. Whew! Another nearly lost soul saved from the brink! Congrats. David Loftus ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 07 Sep 1999 11:55:30 -0700 From: Bob Angilly Subject: Re: gg: =?iso-8859-1?Q?=B11973?= Saw them live around that time and they were very impressive. Jim Croce was the warm-up act (about 2 months before he died). The year before Loggins and Messina were the warm-up act for Mahivishnu Orchestra (and were well received). My favorites the 20+ min. version of Vahevela and Golden Ribbons. "David J. Loftus" wrote: > On Mon, 6 Sep 1999 WhytePunk@aol.com wrote: > > > Cool!...is this another poll? I was only 13 when 1973 started, and I > > turned 14 halfway through... > > [snip] > > > I also remember getting into Loggins and Messina > > To my regret, I did not discover the live, 11-minute "Angry Eyes" (with > the EVIL bass line and INTENSE sax solo -- I'm not normally much of a fan > of the saxophone) until something like 1980. > > David Loftus ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 07 Sep 1999 09:54:06 -0700 From: "Scott Steele" Subject: gg: Gabriel; Carl Lewis; Angel; Humble Pie >I'm at home, going through my Peter Gabriel collection trying to figure out which album he uses the trumpets on? Rich was referring to early in his career, when he knocked down the walls of Jericho. This was shortly after he quit Genesis, a very early book in the series. >I know of other people who, as soon as something even vaguely resembling a "catchy" melody appears, run the other way like Carl Lewis. Hopefully they don't sing like Carl Lewis. >Now I'm trying to figure out when Peter Gabriel was in Angel? Right after Punky Brewster. I mean, Punky Meadows. >np Humble Pie - Rockin' The Fillmore Rocks my world - S. np: Still Sarah scottst@ohsu.edu ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 07 Sep 1999 12:02:17 -0600 From: Jeff Smith Subject: gg: first 45 I already replied to the first album thread so I'll stir up the brain cells and try to recollect my first 45. It could be a Beatles or a Motown single but the earliest that I distinctly remember the song and the artist would be Otis Redding - Sittin' On The Dock Of The Bay. A few days after getting this I cracked it somehow. I remember applying glue and tape to the B side so I could keep playing the A side. np: Jaco Pastorius - Live in New York City, Vol 3. Jeff Smith ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1999 19:46:43 +0200 From: "Jorunn Nome & Bert Vijn" Subject: gg: Re: Re: many thanks Hi all y'all, David Eric wroughted: > There are a lot of extremely talented and intelligent people writing in this > digest. I've made friends with many people, Isn't that typical for this list? That I and the rest of the extremely talented and intelligent people writing in this digest make friends with people like... ehm... YOU? I dig this list and its lack of class... ehm... CLASSES! NYC-ya soon! v-bert PS Welcome Kathy and Kitty and... well, ALL newbies! David Eric is kinda right: this _is_ the place to be. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 07 Sep 1999 14:47:24 -0400 From: "Jerry McCarthy" Subject: gg: Year of the Pout/Boil That/Theories/MoFi/Polls Jim Klocek: > If I remember correctly, the > weather outside was rather nasty and ELO and the opening act, Al Stewart, > were late getting to the Spectrum. When Al Stewart finally came on about an > hour-hour and a half late, we all were chanting > "ELO...ELO...ELO" and booing. He played for about 10 minutes and walked off > the stage, flipping us the bird as he went. Sounds like Al Stewart must have spent much of the mid-70s pretty pissed off. The only time I ever saw him live was as the opening act for Renaissance in New York's Felt Forum around 1975, and Al also walked off the stage THAT night, pretty worked up about something, although I don't believe it was the crowd (which seemed pretty well-behaved). We never did find out exactly what it was that was not to Mr. Stewart's liking, but I surmised that he may have been unhappy with the acoustics. Anybody there and know for sure? Rich Hilton wrote: >> Keneally has humour, playfullness, warmth, complexity, contrast abundance >> and joy. very much worth checking out. > > Unfortunately, as on Boil That, all that occasionally also includes a > distinct lack of melodic focus. Why must be gifted be so completely > focused on appearing to be obscure? What level of insecurity is > required to largely eschew melody for the sake of cleverness? Glad to hear someone else say this about Keneally's stuff. He's marvelously talented but I can't listen to him for more than 10-15 minutes at a time. As soon as I can develop an interest in what he's playing, he's off to something else. Not to be flippant, but Keneally could be the poster boy for Musical Attention Deficit Disorder. Or maybe I just ain't listn'in right. Steve (but never Terry) Lottich: > The first = favorite theory holds for me concerning GG and Genesis, but no > other artist. Can't remember (sorry) who said: > I get chills everytime I hear "AtT". It > changed my music listening habits for the rest of my life. Anybody experience this "first=favorite" or "I never listened to music the same way again after that" phenomenon from a _visual_ experience? I was just beginning to get into Prog in 1973/74 and had been intrigued by much of what I'd heard, but the thing that sealed the deal for me forever was watching ELP's performance at the California Jam when it was broadcasted on WABC-TV's In Concert series. Once I saw and heard Karn Evil 9 performed for the first time by those three guys, my life was never the same again. Brain Salad Surgery has been my all-time favorite album and ELP my favorite band ever since. Dan Weese: > > < better than my LP. IA was involved in the remastering. Definitely worth > the very high price I paid for it at Best Buy.>> I have all of the Tull MoFi's released to this point and I find all of them worth the financial investment (Aqualung on the original MFSL vinyl, the others on CD). For the record, Julius, War Child *is* among them. Regarding the polls: First GG Heard & Bought: Three Friends Favorite GG Studio Album: (Tie) In A Glass House/Free Hand Favorite GG Album: Playing the Fool GG my favorite band? No, but they're in the Top 10, coming in at number 4 with a bullet (they just didn't plagiarize enough for my liking) Favorite Band: ELP - --Jerry (NP: Isildurs Bane - Sea Reflections) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1999 19:59:25 +0100 From: "Mark L. Potts" Subject: gg: RE: Re: invitro pre-music theory Evenin' All, Actually, invitro pre-music theory has been proven here in the House of Thunder. When Mrs Thunder had a bun in the oven with Thorlina, a goodly dose of Prog was the only music around and Thorlina, as you all know has turned out to be a Prog fan. Thunderchild 2, OTOH was subjected to Prog and Soul, as Mrs GoT had got back into soul music when up the duff with her. Little Thunderchild is consequently extremely weird and very scary and is a 9 year old Frank Zappa/Freda Payne/Spice Girls/Aerosmith fan. Send for the Sinister Minister, Mark L. Potts The God of Thunder np: Black Sabbath - Born Again ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 07 Sep 1999 14:59:54 -0400 From: Tatsurou Ueda Subject: gg: NEARfest 2000 - looking good. Hi all! NEARfest 2000 has following bands confirmed so far, according to the webpage. http://www.nearfest.com/nearfest/bands.html Happy the Man The greatest American progressive rock band is reforming and playing their first show in over 20 years at NEARfest 2000! Anekdoten One of Sweden's most beloved bands returns to the U.S. with their powerful Crimson-esque stylings. Iluvator Passionate Baltimore neo-proggers come north in support of their newest release A Story Two Days Wide. Nexus New Argentinian symphonic neo-progressive band will be sure to turn heads in their first U.S. appearance. North Star Originally formed in 1976, Pennsylvania natives burst back on to the scene with their mid-70s Genesis and Red-era Crimson sounds It'll be my dream come true to really see HtM play live! I hope they make it.... Tatsurou ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1999 15:17:00 EDT From: WhytePunk@aol.com Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Re:=20gg:=20=B11973?= In a message dated 09/07/1999 11:37:01 AM Eastern Standard Time, dloft@netcom.com writes: << To my regret, I did not discover the live, 11-minute "Angry Eyes" (with the EVIL bass line and INTENSE sax solo -- I'm not normally much of a fan of the saxophone) until something like 1980. David Loftus >> Yeah....what a great song that was....and I can't find my 8-track!!! LOL Neil ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 07 Sep 1999 12:44:30 -0700 From: "Scott Steele" Subject: gg: Fusebros; bad influence; Wetton/Palmer-James; 9/9/99; NCAA football; Etcetera >...and I'm at least a fusion-head wanna-be - -lindsey That makes four fusebros - Claudio, P-Frank, Lindsey, and me. >Sadly, I had to wait for another year to see my next show, because my parents had gone pretty mad because I had been in a concert "with that hippie" Haw haw! I was the "bad influence" in my neighborhood. >(By the way, while I was examining the credits, I noticed that lyricist Palmer-James was indeed credited for the appropriate Crimson pieces. Does anyone know whatever happened to him?) -David Eric David Eric, you would probably enjoy Monkey Business, which Wetton and Palmer-James have just released on Blueprint. It's got some Crimson rough drafts among other things. >Tickets already bought ... the 9/9/99 Yes concert! Congratulations sir! Please tell us all about the show. >My beloved Frogs came up short agin' nationally ranked Arizona. But they put up a great fight! Arizona looks distressingly powerful. Perhaps Oregon will come around after losing a decently played game to Michigan State. >For some reason their club will not book my band Etcetera. Maybe out music isn't herbal enough? Your music *is* herbal enough! - S. np: A song that came on a Tribal Tech boot which is actually (probably) a Hellborg/Lane/Sipe cut. scottst@ohsu.edu ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 07 Sep 1999 13:12:29 -0700 From: "Scott Steele" Subject: gg: HtM; Welcome Brooke; Sabbath Bloody Sabbath >Stan Whitaker was playing guitar with the band Ten Jinn for the last time because... he's moving back east to reform Happy the Man,with the original line-up,and will be headlining next years NEARFEST!!!! Wow! That's great news. >My wife and I just returned home to Austin after 3 weeks in Moscow. I'm happy and proud to report that returning home with us was a beautiful 15-month old girl, Brooke Elizaveta Oldham. Congratulations you Oldhams! Brooke is a great name, that's Babs's youngest son Sean's girlfriend's name. Our Brooke is a beautiful and healthy 20-year-old girl with a wonderful sense of humor. Anyway that's an excellent name. >From: badmoodguy@earthlink.net >I was 8 & it was Sabbath Bloody Sabbath all the way. Hence the bad mood? ;) - S. np: Kit & Coco, In Time scottst@ohsu.edu ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 07 Sep 1999 19:19:34 -0400 From: astley@ica.net Subject: Re: gg: great news Claudio, > >Thanks for that! I had been wondering where Mr. Whitaker had gone off >to...OOO a reformed HTM. Now THAT'S news!!! Ten Jinn ever put out any CDs??? yes,they were selling them at Progday,but if your taste is anything like mine,you'll be advised to give them a miss,unless you are a must-have Whitaker fan...his solo's were awesome BTW..did a bit of HTM too!! and talking about awesome,you gotta talk "THINKING PLAGUE",they blew me away!!! so if any of you can make that NY show...GO!!! I bet the other acts are great too. Dave Sr.mature student > >The ever-inquiring Dan6 > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1999 20:54:26 EDT From: Claudio666@aol.com Subject: Re: nongg: great news re: Whitaker & HTM In a message dated 9/7/99 5:19:09 PM Mountain Daylight Time, astley@ica.net writes: << yes,they were selling them at Progday,but if your taste is anything like mine,you'll be advised to give them a miss,unless you are a must-have Whitaker fan...his solo's were awesome BTW..did a bit of HTM too!! >> Really! I'm surprised by that comment. As a keyboardist, I was always enthralled, at the time, by Kit's Oberheim playing. As I got older (and more experienced) , and actually spent some time reading the credits, I realized that Whitaker was responsible for most of the composition and started to listen more closely to his playing. Which also explains why Kit's solo stuff left me wanting. So, yes, I guess I'm a Whitaker fan. And thank you, Frank, (the other Frank) for steering to me to the site where I will also find YOUR CD. I will take this moment to reitterate that HTM's reforming is the best news I've had since I found out the vasectomy was successful. Can't wait for the fallout from that one...Go ahead! I'm shootin blanks! I can't hurt you! Dan6 n.d. Bridgeport IPA n.p. 20 years of ESPN. This is great stuff! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1999 20:56:25 EDT From: Claudio666@aol.com Subject: Re: gg: Re: on-reflection-digest V1 #1847 In a message dated 9/7/99 10:30:41 AM Mountain Daylight Time, dloft@netcom.com writes: << On Mon, 6 Sep 1999, Ant wrote: > -----Original Message----- > From: David J. Loftus > > >Good god. I suppose TfTO either has its place or might have benefited > >from an editor, but anyone who cannot appreciate _Relayer_ is an idiot. > > Actually Tales is just over 80 minutes long. There are quite a few single > CD's of almost 80 minutes nowadays. Length does not necessarily have a lot to do with it. >> Oh please. Don't make me be the only one to respond to to this...It's not the meat, it's the motion! Dan6 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1999 22:07:12 -0400 From: Daniel Potvin Subject: gg: A look at the setlist Hey Giants This is the YES setlist that is running around No Disgrace/New Language-9 Voices/PChange/Lightning/HomeWorld/ Good Day/Hearts/Owner/If Only U Knew/Awaken/Rbout/Hep Yeda Encores: AGPeople/LDRunaround. Daniel ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1999 22:33:05 -0400 From: Daniel Potvin Subject: gg: Yes opener Hey I heard that YES doesn't open the show with " FIREBIRD SUITE " Daniel ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1999 20:13:10 -0700 (PDT) From: JohnEric Subject: gg: Hogs In Wolfs Clothing A while back we discussed the memories some of us had of The Groundhogs. Today, I found a new release (1999 all new material) by The Groundhogs entitled "Hogs In Wolfs Clothing". On the way home I scanned it for opening riffs, and was delighted by every one. This release captures the raw/rough/metal/bluesy (sp?) style they had in their early years, but with more grab. I leave it to you to decide. I will be listening to it at work tomorrow ... in headphones, of course. The band line-up is: T.S.McPhee (as if you'd ask), Eric "The Bastard" Chipulina (Hey, don't look at me ... it's in the liner notes that way) on bass, and Pete "Conka" Correa on drums. I found it at Borders Music, on Transatlantic (a division of Castle). JohnEric === http://www.mindspring.com/~jjellison/nightsky.htm __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 07 Sep 1999 22:37:04 -0500 From: Steve and Terry Lottich Subject: Re: gg: Firsts David L: >> Guess Who's Share the Land, and Three Dog Night's >> Suitable for Framing. > >Ah. That's where we parted company. I simply got the Best of Guess Who >collection. Which one is "Suitable for Framing"? The one with "Old >Fashioned Love Song"? I had that one and the album with "One" and >_Naturally_ of course. ("I Can Hear Ya Callin'" is a better rocker than >"Joy to the World," sez I.) "Suitable" was like their 2nd album, I think. It had "Celebrate", "Easy to be Hard", "Eli's Comin'" and a semi-haunting John/Taupin song called "Lady Samantha". Favorites are all of the above, "One", "One Man Band" and "Liar". "Liar" gives me chills. When they started doing stuff like "Old-Fashioned Love Song" and other Paul Williams lounge tripe, I hated 'em. They'd lost their edge. Everything from "Joy to the World" forward, I can't stand. BTW, the horns on "Celebrate" are Chicago's Pankow, Parazaider and Loughnane. Steve Dog Night ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 07 Sep 1999 22:43:00 -0500 From: Steve and Terry Lottich Subject: Re: gg: Re: First LP poll and some GG David: >Did "Headquarters" precede "Pisces, Aquarius, Capricorn, and Jones, >Ltd."? That and "The Birds, The Bees and The Monkees" are very fine >albums. Yes. HQ was their 3rd, PAC&JL their 4th. TBtB&tM was their 5th or 6th; not sure where the Head soundtrack fits in. BTW, very early use (but not the first in rock) of Moog in "Daily Nightly" and "Star Collector" on PAC&JL. Steve "Micky" Lottich ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1999 20:48:42 -0700 (PDT) From: JohnEric Subject: gg: More Jimmy Johns artwork Former Dark Horse artist Jimmy Johns has added three new works to the Night Sky Gallery Wall. I need to add that Jimmy still does quite a bit of art for Dark Horse on a free-lance basis. Here is a link to bypass the other Gallery Wall pages, and go straight to the new stuff. If you'd like to e-mail him with your comments, you'll find an e-mail link at the bottom of his pages. http://www.mindspring.com/~jjellison/gallery2.htm JohnEric === http://www.mindspring.com/~jjellison/nightsky.htm __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 07 Sep 1999 22:46:13 -0500 From: Steve and Terry Lottich Subject: gg: make womb for air guitar I remembered 2 more songs I played air guitar to in the womb: GG's "The House, the Street, the Womb" and ABWH's "The Order of the Uterus"! HAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 07 Sep 1999 22:54:52 -0500 From: Steve and Terry Lottich Subject: Re: nongg: great news re: Whitaker & HTM Claudio: >I will take this moment to reitterate that HTM's reforming is the best news >I've had since I found out the vasectomy was successful. > >Can't wait for the fallout from that one...Go ahead! I'm shootin blanks! I >can't hurt you! Been there, done that. There's a Vas Deferens between fertility and infertility. Sperm-free Steve ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1999 23:58:10 -0400 From: Daniel Potvin Subject: gg: About the YES setlist again If they just play a few oldies at least they shouldn't play all the same classics that we been hearing for the past 30 years or so. Don't play round about instead do gates Don't play and you and i instead do parallels Don't play starship trooper instead do the remembering and so on a change of oldies would be good for the Yesfans Daniel ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1999 00:10:25 EDT From: MogulHespa@aol.com Subject: Re: gg: Terrapin Free Hand Dan Barrett writes: << You are right, it is superior to the original One Way. Nevertheless, the Terrapin Trucking release is much, much better. >> If anyone in the USA needs to know, I found the ideal source for these Terrapin Trucking releases -- a chain of CD stores called "Spin Street." They're somewhat new, and owned by a distributor, so look for them! I know they're putting up stores in the Southeast (I'm in Atlanta). Anyway, they bought up a lot of the Terrapin Trucking releases from another distributor, and I have bought, from their "import $10 or less" bins, for $9.97 each, Free Hand (TRUCK CD 004) The Missing Piece (TRUCK CD 006) Giant For A Day (TRUCK CD 007) Civilian (RGF CD 1008) When I went back to buy another copy of Free Hand to send to a friend, I found that they were out -- or so I thought. When I inquired, I watched as an employee pulled out an overstock of these CDs that numbered in the dozens!! So they've got 'em. Hope this helps someone. Oh, and they distribute the Mobile Fidelity gold CDs, so they sell them for $19.97 apiece!!! Buy all of the Jethro Tull gold discs from them!! They're worth 20 bucks each! Yes, WarChild and A Passion Play sound wonderful! ------------------------------ End of on-reflection-digest V1 #1853 ************************************