on-reflection-digest Thursday, September 9 1999 Volume 01 : Number 1856 gg: Stand Up Re: gg: No time like the present... gg: Another CJAM broadcast with Reg(Julian), this Saturday, Sept.11th gg: lobbing the ol' arc Re: gg: first 45 Re: no gg: Argent, Renaissance & I'm Here! Re: no gg: Renaissance gg: Kronos Quartet gg: RE: Various Tull Review Things Re: gg: Kronos Quartet Re: gg: No mention of color... gg: Head count gg: no-gg; mostly Argent gg: ggNome end shun off caloric... (grayness, shadows, colors?) Re: gg: No mention of color... RE: gg: No mention of color... Re: gg: No mention of color... RE: gg: No mention of color... gg: RE: More Tull; More stuff; gg: The backing voices; Fusebros; Zappa for kids; Daffy; McL; Bates; Mark Hans; Mam sees JT; Drew?!; Yes Re: gg: Kronos Quartet Re: no gg: Argent, Renaissance & I'm Here! FW: gg: Terrapin Free Hand gg: ...; Jaco; DeLurk; Firsts no-gg: Watergate Re: gg: Kronos Quartet gg: Obscure New Music (or Abs Cure Neume You, Sic) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 14:58:52 +0100 (BST) From: Rik Beck Subject: gg: Stand Up GGreetings once more: From Mammie and Bill: >>> The set list contained 5 tunes from Stand Up, >> FIVE???? Wow. Which five? > Yes 5, the pentultimate. New day, Mothers, Fat Man, Bouree, and Jeffrey > goes to somewhere in bloody England. Something about the 30th > anniversary of Stand Up, but I wouldn't know anyting about that. I'm > only 29! That'll be Leicester Square. Great album. I've got the original 'pop-up' LP sleeve with the pink Island label on nice thick vinyl at home (hey, and I'm 'only' 30!). I'm attempting to catalogue all my music on my PC at the moment, and I was stroking it lovingly a while back. From: Claudio666@aol.com > 5 great tunes all. Nice to see them resurrected. Probably each > better than anything on the new album, but I haven't heard ".com" yet > so I'm showing my bias (again). Better, Mmmmmmaybe. Just different, from another age. bye for now rb ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Dec 1969 19:00:00 +0000 From: Bob Angilly Subject: Re: gg: No time like the present... - --------------C13E6C05B15E9492B11F465E Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Do you want number of people or number of heads (count me for 2). mammienun@webtv.net wrote: > Why wait? De-Lurk now! Yes, it's yet another mammiepoll. It's census > time. Mammie's taking a 'head' count. Simply respond to this post on or > off-list with the message, "I'm here!" Damn lurkers...never know where > they're hiding! Ez > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Visit mammienun's conventpage > - --------------C13E6C05B15E9492B11F465E Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Do you want number of people or number of heads (count me for 2).

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Don't be afraid to call in. Ciao, REGINALD DUNLOP(Julian) host of "Mental Notes", CJAM 91.5 FM ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 10:13:07 -0400 From: Richard Hilton Subject: gg: lobbing the ol' arc At 6:00 AM -0700 9/9/99, Loftus tossed a softball: >Cool. And do you know who were the backup voices on Chicago's hit "Wishin' >You Were Here"? The Beach Boys. Best, Rich Richard Hilton/Boppybop Toons Inc. http://members.aol.com/hiltonius/BTI_page.html ------------------------------ Date: 9 Sep 1999 09:43:09 -0500 From: "Lindsey Spratt" Subject: Re: gg: first 45 First 45 that I can remember listening to: Tennessee Ernie Ford--Blackberry boogie. I think the flip side was 16 Tons (which was probably the A side, but I really liked the boogie). I must have been about 6 or 7. - -lindsey ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 09 Sep 1999 10:53:31 -0400 From: "Marc P. Guilbert" Subject: Re: no gg: Argent, Renaissance & I'm Here! Gentle Raconteurs and Giant Troubadors -- A couple of people have mentioned Argent. Sparked good memories (of old days -- bad pun). Recollections of an old geezer (me) lead to this biased discography: Argent -- s/t: First album, slightly rockier than the Zombies which they partially sprung from. "Liar" in it's original version is worth hearing, though not all that much different than Three Dog Night's version. Rest of the album is only so-so. Ring of Hands: Second album, big improvement, at least as good as their third. High point is "Lothlorien", where Rod Argent shows his debt to the Nice, right down to silly lyrics (but sung well; Russ Ballard is no Lee Jackson). GREAT organ solo at the end of that one, still get an adrenaline rush listening to it. All Together Now: Third album, best seller. Good reason. Hold Your Head Up, Tragedy, and I Am the Dance of Ages make this one a keeper. IatDoA is good for an adrenaline rush as well, and Tragedy is a guilty pleasure (like the Flower Kings). The rest: short answer is to skip them. Long answer is that there are isolated worthwhile moments on some, but not worth the trouble of tracking them down. As for "dumping on Renaissance", don't you have bathrooms where you live and work? ;-) Seriously, you're passing up Renaissance's most sensuous works by cutting them off at Turn of the Cards. Scheherazade, Novella, Song for All Seasons, and even Azure d'Or have sparkling gems on them, enough to warrant doing a little sifting. Annie Haslam only got better at her craft in that period, as her work on "Captive Heart" on Novella shows. OK, I'm a fan, but then I saw them on a double bill with our friends GG in Boston in 1976, and both acts left deep impressions. So there. ;-) And yes Mammienun, I'm here! Marc ------------------------------ Date: 9 Sep 1999 10:05:49 -0500 From: "Lindsey Spratt" Subject: Re: no gg: Renaissance On Wed, Sep 8, 1999 9:43 PM, Claudio666@aol.com wrote: > << Interesting that almost > no one ever dumps on Scheherazade & Other Stories (75) >> > > Allow me to dump on those. As I stated previously before some weeks ago in > a > prior post, their last "good" album was "Turn of the Cards" (74). So, by > omission or extension (you be the judge), that pretty much dumps on > anything > afterwards IMNSHO. Although, and this doesn't really count, I enjoy some of > the items on the compilation discs "Tales of 1001 Nights" Vols.1 & 2. > At a GG/Renaissance concert in Boston at the Orpheum GG played first followed by Ren. After Ren had played a few tunes, Annie asked the audience something like "Are you having a good time?". This was followed by a complete silence, then one voice yells "No, we're bored out of our minds". GG, of course, was fabulous. I've never been able to really listen to Renaissance ever since. - -lindsey ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 11:11:57 EDT From: WhytePunk@aol.com Subject: gg: Kronos Quartet I saw a brief session of the Kronos Quartet (all string band, violins, fiddle, cello?) on Public Television last week and I was very impressed. They played "Purple Haze" and I managed to capture some of it as an avi. (They reminded me of GG and Sweet Georgia Brown a little) Do any of you know much about this group or have any suggestions as to what their best work is??? Thanx! Neil ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 09 Sep 1999 11:11:59 EDT From: "Virginia Landgraf" Subject: gg: RE: Various Tull Review Things mammienun: << The set list contained 5 tunes from Stand Up,>> Bill T: <> mammienun: <>> I entered kindergarten the year _Stand Up_ was released but was ignorant of it until around 11 years later. I bought it shortly after that. Bill, when I checked tour dates (and to my annoyance found that the only venues in this area they were playing were outside of center cities, making public transportation a royal pain), it said (at the time) that they were playing the Greek Theater in Berkeley on 10/2. [NOTE: I just re-checked and they are not playing there but in Bakersfield on that date They're scheduled to play the Concord Pavilion on 10/3 though]. Made me wish I were still living in Berkeley so I could walk there (but now the concert's not going to be there, so that's a moot point). I saw them there in '93, and they played some tunes from _Benefit_ (including "With You There to Help Me") and _Stand Up_ (including "Reasons for Waiting," which Martin Barre also plays flute on). Ian's voice was not in the best of shape, and I think the intro to "Songs from the Wood" was done Memorex, not live. But the 2 Tull studio albums released since have been excellent. "Jeffrey Goes to Somewhere in Bloody England" -- sounds like a crosscut of "Jeffrey Goes to Leicester Square" and "Made in England" from Ian's solo album _Walk Into Light_. I like the idea! A project for a samples/collage band, perhaps? Ginny ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 08:27:16 -0700 (PDT) From: "David J. Loftus" Subject: Re: gg: Kronos Quartet On Thu, 9 Sep 1999 WhytePunk@aol.com wrote: > I saw a brief session of the Kronos Quartet (all string band, violins, > fiddle, cello?) on Public Television last week and I was very > impressed. They played "Purple Haze" and I managed to capture some of > it as an avi. (They reminded me of GG and Sweet Georgia Brown a > little) Do any of you know much about this group or have any > suggestions as to what their best work is??? Thanx! Oh, boy, are you out of the loop. (That's okay, contemporary classical is a different loop from the one many of O-R's denizens inhabit.) Kronos has been around for at least 20 years. I first heard about them - -- and their version of "Purple Haze" -- on National Public Radio in about 1987, and they've been NPR darlings ever since. Many contemporary composers have done works specifically for the quartet. Incidentally, cellist Joan Jeannerud (sp?) is a sleek blonde babe who is very easy on the eyes. They've put out a slew of albums, often with offbeat collaborators such as West African drummers. Don't expect GG and Sweet Georgia Brown; much of the stuff is brooding, screeching, and just plain off the wall. I've seen the quartet twice, once in a fully classical concert in about 1988, and again on tour with the Modern Jazz Quartet in 1990. In the former, I recall a piece in which the second violin played a single note, steadily, for 8 or 10 minutes, while the other three meandered around it. Kronos arranged the latter, I suspect, because they -- or perhaps the first violinist in particular -- are fans of MJQ; the two combos played separately and then jammed together, but it was not a good fit ... especially for befuddled fans of MJQ. An elder jazz bassist friend of mine said MJQ were "so COOL" but that Kronos should be taken out and shot. "Red House" was listed in the program, and I was very disappointed when they announced that they would not be doing it; but they did "Foxy Lady" instead, and that was great. Can't tell you much about specific albums. The only one I have is "White Man Sleeping" I think -- something like that -- and it's very dark, very atmospheric ... sort of an obverse/antidote to the Mannheim Steamroller endangered species disc I acquired at the same time. David Loftus ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 11:36:16 -0400 (EDT) From: Daniel Barrett Subject: Re: gg: No mention of color... On September 9, 1999, mammienun@webtv.net wrote: >For the life of me I can't think of a GG song that has any 'color in >it'. This might be cheating, but feel free to do a "Search" on the GG web site for various names of colors. (Does everybody know there's a Search feature?) Dan //////////////////////////////////////\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ | Dan Barrett Creator, The Gentle Giant Web Site | | dbarrett@blazemonger.com http://www.blazemonger.com/GG/ | \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\///////////////////////////////////// ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 16:44:49 +0100 From: "Gifford" Subject: gg: Head count I'm here! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 08:47:50 -0700 (PDT) From: "David J. Loftus" Subject: gg: no-gg; mostly Argent On Wed, 8 Sep 1999, Steve and Terry Lottich wrote: > David: > >> "Liar" gives me chills. > > > >It's better than the Argent original, that's for sure -- although it > >risks slickness. (Say THAT three times fast!) > > risks slickness > ricks sklickneks > rissklisssness > > You're right, not easy! I don't know where I come up with these. > I knew "Liar" was originally by Argent, but I've never heard it. Please > describe. Well, since I last heard it a good 20 years ago, I'm going on pretty sketchy memory. But I remember Argent's as fairly straight. The 3 Dog Night vocalist (Negron?) lays on a raspy growl, which heightens the sense of desperation, and the recording timbre makes him sound like he's singing in a fairly small space -- like a closet or a culvert -- and that gives the song a claustrophobic feel. The band lays on some electronic atmospheric effects during the instrumental break. It wouldn't surprise me if 3 Dog Night played it faster, too. Marc has talked a little bit about Argent albums. I am familiar only with a collection of their "best" which I bought on an LP about 25 years ago and last heard, as I said, about 20 years ago, perhaps. I'm straining to remember the other cuts besides "Hold Your Head Up" -- a chills-up-the-spine classic from the burbling organ in the first second through the simple but declarative bass and drums, the great guitar riff, the lovely verse melody, the content of the lyrics, and the cool instrumental break on the NON-single version -- and "Liar" ... but the only thing that surfaces is "God Gave Rock and Roll To You," an unmemorable, lumbering tune that at least has a terrific sentiment, wot? I trust all the rest of you Yanks and Brits are aware that "argent" means "money" in French? One other Argent reference. I ran into the post-Moon Who at Boston's Logan Airport in late 1979, a week after the Cincinnati tragedy which had them on the cover of _Time_ that very day. I knew Rod Argent was listed among the credits of the _Who Are You_ album and asked a couple of the boys why they hadn't taken on Argent as a permanent member. Townshend said Argent's keyboard soloes were all wrong for the album and Pete had had to redo them; I guess crediting Argent was merely a courtesy. Entwhistle was more diplomatic: "Well, he isn't really a rocker, and we needed a rocker." Poor Rod. Everybody seems to do his songs better than he does. The Santana version of the Zombies' "She's Not There" on the _Moonflower_ album kicks serious butt. Does anyone know whether "Hold Your Head Up" has ever been covered by anyone else? David Loftus ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 09 Sep 1999 10:52:24 -0500 From: DE Johnson Subject: gg: ggNome end shun off caloric... (grayness, shadows, colors?) mammienun@webtv.net wrote: >For the life of me I can't think of a GG song that has any 'color in it'... (D)"It's not imagination..." (E)...but that's an overgeneralization... (J)Interesting point, Mr. Nun. DJ/CiViLiAN/le Uncroyable M. Personne ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 08:54:32 -0700 (PDT) From: "David J. Loftus" Subject: Re: gg: No mention of color... On Thu, 9 Sep 1999 MogulHespa@aol.com wrote: > mammienun@webtv.net writes: > > << For the life of me I can't think of a GG song that has any 'color in > it'. Unless you want to count Black Cat or Empty City (streets never > were paved with gold) I can't think of a blue, red, or yellow anywhere. >> > > Hey, this is a nice theme to follow! > > Here's one: "Schooldays" (from Three Friends): > "Seagulls scream and pink ice cream and the deep blue sky ..." > > But you're right, there are hardly any. > Is it because so many of their songs deal with human relationships and > down-to-earth ideas (refreshing when compared to the subject matter of > other prog-rock bands)? > Does that make any sense? Somewhat. There are a few sly references to drugs, here and there, but GG was not like other prog-rock bands who went in for psychedelia and skiffy refs. Their songs were definitely HUMAN -- about human experience and human ideas, not a lot of tree-hugging nature-lovin' rot (hey, my parents have been active in the Sierra Club and Nature Conservancy, and I'm a member of the Xerces Society, dedicated to preservation and education about invertebrates, from butterflies to sea slugs -- I just hate cheap aesthetic sentiment), or flying through the astral planes of the mind, etc. There must be a couple other color references in GG (surely more blacks), but none come to my mind, here at the office, pounding at a computer.... David Loftus ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 09:08:11 -0700 From: William Tindall Subject: RE: gg: No mention of color... From Dan Barrett: << This might be cheating, but feel free to do a "Search" on the GG web site for various names of colors. (Does everybody know there's a Search feature?)>> Well, I already tried that and "Don't It Make My Little Brown Bag Blue" isn't even listed! What's the deal, Dan? Bill "Moi?" T ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 09:10:00 -0700 (PDT) From: "David J. Loftus" Subject: Re: gg: No mention of color... Odd that even "Peel the Paint" ("strip the coats") does not specify a single color. I couldn't stand it -- I took Dan's suggestion to do a search on the GG website. It told me the following -- "And with you, feeling low, looking black" -- is somewhere on the Playing the Fool album, but I don't know where. Apparently one of the cuts from _Free Hand_. As I suspected, black turned up: "Put back the ace black, you never made it good" comes from the song "Power and the Glory." "River" is one of the few compositions that has a bunch of nature imagery, so it includes "Gold on black." _Acquiring the Taste_ has several color references: "a gold coloured bird through the cloud flies" turns up in "The Moon Is Down," and "her eyes are burning yellow" in "Black Cat." I'll stop there, but in passing I'd like to note that while scanning a number of GG lyrics, I noticed the words "shadow" and "darkness" turn up a few times. David Loftus ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 09:11:26 -0700 (PDT) From: "David J. Loftus" Subject: RE: gg: No mention of color... On Thu, 9 Sep 1999, William Tindall wrote: > >From Dan Barrett: > > << This might be cheating, but feel free to do a "Search" on the GG web > site for various names of colors. (Does everybody know there's a Search > feature?)>> > > Well, I already tried that and "Don't It Make My Little Brown Bag > Blue" isn't even listed! I didn't see "Behind Badabec's Blue Eyes" either. David Loftus ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 12:51:14 -0400 From: Nick Polak Subject: gg: RE: More Tull; More stuff; Hail: De-lurking at work [while sludge-like computers prevent any work from being done] to catch up on various threads "Reginald Dunlop" writes to newcomer Kathy: >You might want to avoid responding to any of my posts. Apparently, I'm a bad >ass and difficult. :) Also, refrain from using the words "Jimmy" , "Page" & "Guitar God" in the same sentence. To make your sentence coherent in a nutshell, just add the word "Hack" followed by a period. Thank you. Some people on the list don't like Jimmy Page. They challenge his status as a guitar god. There's a word for folks like them: hack. Did I get that right? ******************************************************* "Virginia Landgraf" adds her thoughts on "More New Tull" >I've listened to it about 4 times, twice with the randomizer. My initial >verdict is that it's quite good -- I'm not as blown away by it as I was by >_Roots to Branches_, but it's *much* better than _Rock Island_ or _Catfish >Rising_ . . . .somehow Ian's figured out a way to sing >in the studio that makes his now-damaged voice sound haunting and nuanced, >even if (from what I read -- I didn't get to see the Tull tour this time >around) he can't maintain it for the whole length of a concert. Well: I gave it three listens after my cursory initial one, and I still consider it the latest episode in Ian's attempt to stave off early retirement. But then, this band hasn't really moved me since War Child or so. I acknowledge that I'm in the minority on this, but I also have a minority perspective [on this list anyway, I think] in that I have continued to get every Jethro Tull as they came out since "This Was", and I have never liked any lineup of the band as much as the second [or "classic"] one of Anderson, Barre, Cornick & Bunker which recorded Stand Up & Benefit. Hey -- I was disappointed in Aqualung when it came out! I love Thick As A Brick and all the older material on Living In The Past. The only other titles I ever pull out to play are Warchild, Passion Play & Minstrel In The Gallery. I liked some of their 80's/90's rock stuff [Crest, Rock Island, Catfish] OK, but preferred the archival material on the various boxed sets & compilations. I found Divinities embarrassingly "twee' and thought Roots To Branches was pretty unlistenable and while there are a couple of attempts at re-creating the "classic" Tull sound on this new one, it's pretty forgettable overall to these jaded ears. On a more positive note, I keep forgetting to post that ten of the Tull catalog titles return as "midline" [11.98 SLP] titles next Tuesday. I had initially thought these to be remasters, but evidently they're not. The reissue series features ten titles, including Living In The Past [don't know if this is the abbreviated version as there's no track list in my info. The Mobile Fidelity version is the only one to combine the complete US & UK versions of this release, by the way.] The other titles are This Was, Stand Up, Benefit, Passion Play, Songs From The Wood, Broadsword, Catfish, Rock Island & Roots To Branches. The following Tuesday sees the return of the Bowie catalog to EMI, BTW. Personally I'd go find the Rykodisc versions used. Bonus tracks, etc. are dropped from the EMI reissues. Virginia continues. . . >. . . . I just got the new Richard Thompson album too, >and I'm not sure I hear anything absolutely "new" in that. Rock'n'roll, >psychotic guitar solos, dark humor . . . haven't we heard that from Richard >Thompson before? Though I could more easily imagine Thompson guesting with >Thinking Plague than Anderson. Well -- I wasn't looking for anything new from Tull, either. But the Thompson record [his most solid in a while] simply continues his reputation as [possibly] the best singer/songwriter currently recording [although there is a new Bruce Cockburn coming soon. . .]. BTW -- didn't Trotsky wear wire-rimmed glasses? Lenin too, for that matter? ************************************************************ David J. Loftus writes in response to Neil: >On Mon, 6 Sep 1999 WhytePunk@aol.com wrote: >> Cool!...is this another poll? I was only 13 when 1973 started, and I >> turned 14 halfway through... Me, I turned 18 [with a draft lottery number of 23! Only good timing saved me from an unplanned jaunt to Canada; the draft ended in March or April]. In '73 I started doing my first radio shows on college FM, and while 73 and 74 tend to merge together for me, I can recall some of the staples: Renaissance' Prologue [title track was my "theme" music]; Genesis' Foxtrot & Selling England; Who' s Quadrophenia; PFM's Photos of Ghosts; King Crimson's Starless & Red; Caravan's Grey & Pink; Dead's Wake Of The Flood; Elton's Goodbye Yellow Brick Road; Steely Dan's Katy Lied; Shawn Phillip's 2nd Contribution and lots more that don't immediately come to mind. David continues: >To my regret, I did not discover the live, 11-minute "Angry Eyes" (with >the EVIL bass line and INTENSE sax solo -- I'm not normally much of a fan >of the saxophone) until something like 1980. Oh yeah -- them too. Quite a bit of them, actually, as I really liked them through their career. ****************************************************************** Jeff Smith turns the topic to 45's >I already replied to the first album thread so I'll stir up the brain cells >and try to recollect my first 45. It could be a Beatles or a Motown single >but the earliest that I distinctly remember the song and the artist would be >Otis Redding - Sittin' On The Dock Of The Bay. A few days after getting >this I cracked it somehow. I remember applying glue and tape to the B side >so I could keep playing the A side. I think my very first 45 was Steve & Eydie doing "Blame It On The Bossa Nova" or else a Peter Sellers single from one of his movies. This would be about '59 and the Beatles [and my first album] were still 3 0r 4 years off. The first 45 I bought myself was either Deep Purple's Hush or The First Edition's "Just Dropped In To See What Condition My Condition Was In" or Strawberry Alarm Clock's "Incense & Peppermints". I've still got all three! *********************************************************** Claudio666@aol.com opines: >I will take this moment to reiterate that HTM's reforming is the best news >I've had since I found out the vasectomy was successful. Just got the booklets & J-cards from One Way [no CD's yet, unfortunately] for the HTM reissues. The text in both is identical, but does refer to a new studio release in 2000. No bonus tracks either; these are straight CD reissues, though I believe they are remixed & remastered. Nick Polak e-mail:npolak@rahis.com ********************************************* "There are two means of refuge from the miseries of life: music and cats" - ---Albert Schweitzer NP: Manic Street Preachers - This Is My Truth Tell Me Yours ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 09 Sep 1999 09:50:22 -0700 From: "Scott Steele" Subject: gg: The backing voices; Fusebros; Zappa for kids; Daffy; McL; Bates; Mark Hans; Mam sees JT; Drew?!; Yes >Cool. And do you know who were the backup voices on Chicago's hit "Wishin' You Were Here"? Yes I do. >Jeff Smith is the fifth Fusion Bro. Do I need to buy this Jeff? There are six Fusebros now: P-Frank, Lindsey, Bill T, Jeff, me, and ClaudioDan. >With my kids, they got ahold of Strictly Commercial on CD since they're not allowed into the LP cabinets. When Läther entered our home, Greggary Peccary became the fave thing to shriek along with. Wild...nocturnal...swiyiyyne ! My basement has now become Joe's Garage. My 11 yr old son plays drums in a tempo-impaired fashion, and his 15 yr old cousin plays a fair blues guitar, ( yes, it is a Stratocaster with a whammy bar ). The girls who turn up ( mostly in pursuit of the cousin ), whine Britney Spears melody fragments into some mics I let em use. I try to pretend it's not happening. This is all excellent. Be sure to record some of this stuff so you can use it as blackmail later on. >hi, This mamie poll has dragged me out of the lurking depths. Good! With a name like Daffy you need to show up every now and then. >I've been a subscriber for some two years and now I have moved my subscription from work to home I feel more able to contribute. Ugh - I should do that too. When? I don't know. >when GG were at their height McLaughlin could do no wrong for me then, but now I find it too intense. How's McLaughlin doing for you in the last five years or so? >My interests now are still jazz (andy shepard, django bates..) Django Bates is a godsend. >As an aside my wife came from Poole/Bournemouth, 15 miles from Portsmouth, and frequently danced to Simon Dupree live on a Friday night. Excellent - is she on the video? ;) >Hope not too boring or self centred - reads that way to me Calvyn Not at all. Where did they go, when did they come from, and who's that in the back seat of your car? >If your self -centered, well, Hi, I'm Pat Buchannan. Mark Hans, De-Lurker, ProTem Thanks Mark, er, Pat. I'm Eddie Van Heflin. >She is crazed over You are what you is! She thinks it is sooooo funny. Well of course. A cow don't make ham. >Can anyone out there recommend other Zappa that is suitable for a 9 year old? Peaches en Regalia with the words. The Best Band You Never Heard In Your Life, generally speaking. >Jaco Live in NY vol. 3. Sound quality starts bad but gets better...annoying rattle of snare springs with every bass note (that's a lot of rattling). Great stuff. Thanks mam >Went to see JT last night. 1st, we all know that Ian's vocals aren't what they once were, but could he ever really sing? Yeah, in the old days, but not since A. >The opener, Steel Monkey (Scott's favorite?) was scorching. Not my fave, but I love it. I imagine the live version kicks butt. >Work situation putting my attendance at GORGG in jeopardy but we'll see. Drew Hey man - don't be that way. >>Cool. And do you know who were the backup voices on Chicago's hit "Wishin' You Were Here"? >Yup. Slottich you're cool >You just type the first thing that comes to mind, it'll be just fine. Welcome! Oh, BTW, we're ALL boring and self-centered. I like us that way. I like myself that way. >Something about the 30th anniversary of Stand Up, but I wouldn't know anyting about that. I'm only 29! q:^()> What's it the 25th anniversary of? War Child or something? By the way Moose, I'd love to hear South Side of the Sky live too. That would mean that Wakeman and Bruford are running things again. ;) - S. np: Frank Zappa, Stage Vol 2 (Helsinki) (the duck calls in Dupree's Paradise sound like The Gone Orch) scottst@ohsu.edu ------------------------------ Date: 9 Sep 1999 12:03:53 -0500 From: "Lindsey Spratt" Subject: Re: gg: Kronos Quartet On Thu, Sep 9, 1999 10:11 AM, WhytePunk@aol.com wrote: > I saw a brief session of the Kronos Quartet (all string band, violins, > fiddle, cello?) on Public Television last week and I was very impressed. They > played "Purple Haze" and I managed to capture some of it as an avi. (They > reminded me of GG and Sweet Georgia Brown a little) Do any of you know > much > about this group or have any suggestions as to what their best work is??? > Can't help much with Kronos discography, but if you liked the Kronos quartet, you may also enjoy the Turtle Island String Quartet. - -lindsey ------------------------------ Date: 9 Sep 1999 12:11:17 -0500 From: "Lindsey Spratt" Subject: Re: no gg: Argent, Renaissance & I'm Here! On Thu, Sep 9, 1999 9:53 AM, Marc P. Guilbert wrote: > OK, I'm a fan, but then I saw them on a double bill with our friends GG in > Boston in 1976, and both acts left deep impressions. So there. ;-) > This must be the same show I was at--but the deep impressions it left were different... Why were you in Boston in '76 (I was going to MIT)? - -lindsey ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 10:08:54 -0700 From: Aldo Ballestrasse Subject: FW: gg: Terrapin Free Hand Hail All! OK, good news for those without the TT versions. I just got a call from Sherry with spinstreet in response to an email I'd sent yesterday. It seems the store returned all the GG imports to the warehouse and she has them (just ordered 2 FH) she asked me to post to the list that if you want them email her at: info@spinstreet.com and she will send them to you! First email first serve! Also a # 1-800-245-4639X40 Aldo P.S. I'm here Mammie! - -----Original Message----- From: Aldo Ballestrasse Sent: Thursday, September 09, 1999 7:26 AM To: 'MogulHespa@aol.com' Subject: RE: gg: Terrapin Free Hand I just called them again, with my hopes up again, and was told that they only had GFaD in import! Either I did get another lazy guy or they can't find them. I also mentioned that you had seen the employee put the box in the back but he wouldn't look any further. Oh well thanks for the tip anyway. BTW I am in California so I can't pop over there and look ;-) Aldo - -----Original Message----- From: MogulHespa@aol.com [mailto:MogulHespa@aol.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 1999 6:16 PM To: aldob@sisa.samsung.com; on-reflection@lists.uoregon.edu Subject: Re: gg: Terrapin Free Hand aldob@sisa.samsung.com writes: << I called these guys and they did not have any Freehand Terrapin copies left. >> Bloody Hell. Well, you may have gotten a lazy worker, because once I called and asked for it, and they looked it up and told me they didn't have it (I think she looked under the regular "rock" section, instead of the bargain imports bin). Then, when I came in weeks later, I couldn't find it, but a nice girl went to the overstock in the back and pulled out a box in which there were at least 6 of each of the titles I mentioned! You may have to ask for someone to check the overstock for the bargain imports ($9.97) -- of course, you may have, and they may have sold them all, but what are the odds? Incidentally, she put the box right back in the back after I took another Free Hand, rather than putting them out for all to see. Did they tell you that they had other locations? What part of the country are you in, if I may ask? Do I ask enough questions? Is it bigger than a bread box? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 09 Sep 1999 11:25:25 -0600 From: Jeff Smith Subject: gg: ...; Jaco; DeLurk; Firsts from Scott Steele: >>np: Jaco Pastorius - Live in New York City, Vol 3. >> >Jeff Smith is the fifth Fusion Bro. Do I need to buy this Jeff? I waited a long time to buy any of these (there are 7 out now) because I read the Jaco bio and I know how they were recorded (by a guy sitting up front with a Sony Pro Walkman). Since I have laid out the cash for a Jaco Tribute Bass from the Fender Custom Shop, I thought I owe it to myself to get all of these. So far, I have 1,2,3 & 5. Vol 5 is the best sounding of the bunch and if you like Mike Stern, this one has Jaco and Mike playing Mike's tunes Mood Swings and After You. Vol2 is also interesting as Jaco and band play mostly covers including Wipe Out, Ode To Billie Joe, I Shot The Sheriff, and Dear Prudence. Out of the 4 volumes I have, Vol 2 has the worst sound quality although it is better that your typical bootleg. In fact the sound quality is better than Last Steps (note GG content here). So to answer your original question, I'd recommend getting Vol 5 first. If you like it and decide you want 7 different versions of Teen Town (it shows up on every disc) then buy all 7. >np: Charlie Hunter, Ready Set Shango I haven't listened to this in a while. Time to revisit it. from Calvyn: >As an aside my wife came from Poole/Bournemouth, 15 miles from Portsmouth, >and frequently danced to Simon Dupree live on a Friday night. She could be on the Rave video! She's not the one pulling hairs off of Phil Shulman's chest is she? I only got to see this video once, my VCR liked it so much it ate it. >I'm not a musician so I won't be able to contribute as much as others but >now I've taken the plunge who knows. Not a prerequisite. You've already shown impeccably good taste by recognizing the greatness of Gentle Giant and signing on to this list. from Bill T: >I don't think I've ever heard anything by Argent except "Hold Your Head Up", >which I dug a bunch when it came out. I was about 14, and just learning >guitar, and I thought that guitar riff was classic right away. It's one >of the first tunes I figured out by ear. This is my story too (same age, same year) but substitute bass for guitar. A great bass line for a beginning bass player. np: Christian McBride - Gettin' To It Jeff Smith ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 10:35:55 -0700 (PDT) From: "David J. Loftus" Subject: no-gg: Watergate On Thu, 9 Sep 1999, Scott Steele wrote: > >Something about the 30th anniversary of Stand Up, but I wouldn't know > >anyting about that. I'm only 29! q:^()> > > What's it the 25th anniversary of? War Child or something? The Nixon pardon ... yesterday. David Loftus ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 10:37:59 -0700 (PDT) From: "David J. Loftus" Subject: Re: gg: Kronos Quartet On 9 Sep 1999, Lindsey Spratt wrote: > Can't help much with Kronos discography, but if you liked the Kronos > quartet, you may also enjoy the Turtle Island String Quartet. Turtle Island tends to be more funky and pop-oriented than Kronos, though still an excellent classical outfit. (Isn't that Mark O'Connor's group? Tony Rice? Darrel Anger? One of those Grisman graduates....) David Loftus ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 09 Sep 1999 12:43:40 -0500 From: DE Johnson Subject: gg: Obscure New Music (or Abs Cure Neume You, Sic) For those interested in obscure 20thc. 'classical' music, see the NYTimes article for today: "CRITIC'S CHOICE - Composers Who Defy Classification By ANTHONY TOMMASINI" The article includes info on American composers Ralph Shapey (78), Lee Hyla, and Scott Lindroth. I know very little about Shapey and his music and basically nothing about the other two. Just thought I'd give you folx a 'heads-up' on it, if you're looking to pursue some (possibly) unknown modern music. Lei tour, DJ/CiViLiAN/le Uncroyable M. Personne ------------------------------ End of on-reflection-digest V1 #1856 ************************************