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on-reflection-digest Friday, September 17 1999 Volume 01 : Number 1869



gg: Welcome home Geir; Broncos; Colorado sports teams
gg: Gorgg website
gg: Larry Coryell JAMS!!!
gg: RE: Football season
gg: I'm back
gg: Pedantic, Overly long, and boring list of books (special bonus: no gg content)
gg: Dot Com
gg: If anyone cares for umbrella...
Re: gg: Dot Com
Re: gg: keyboards and such
Re: gg: keyboards and such
Re: gg: keyboards and such
Re: gg: keyboards and such

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Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 11:09:35 -0700
From: "Scott Steele"
Subject: gg: Welcome home Geir; Broncos; Colorado sports teams

>I am back reading the o-r-digest after some years off. Will even be meeting some of you maddest ones in NY in October.

It is great to have you back sir. Welcome. And thanks for all your good work.

<< Who could have foreseen that Denver would give up 48 points in one game?
Even two games would have been hard to believe. >>

>Hey now!! It was only 38! Only 18 too many...

Sorry, you're right - but it might as well have been 48. ;)

>Dan6 STILL a Colorado sports-team fan

CSU vs BYU will be fun to watch. - S.

np: Jeff Beck and Stanley Clarke in 1979 in France.

scottst@ohsu.edu

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Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 21:52:59 +0200
From: "Jorunn Nome & Bert Vijn"
Subject: gg: Gorgg website

The Gorgg webpage is slightly updated. Please tell me if you find stuff there that
needs to be corrected.
c-ya,
v-bert
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http://home.sol.no/~vijn/
http://home.sol.no/~vijn/h-gorgg.htm
http://home.sol.no/~vijn/h-gorgg-noflash.htm
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Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 13:04:48 -0700
From: "Skip Rizzo, Ph.D."
Subject: gg: Larry Coryell JAMS!!!

Hail all,

HOT TIP--I went to see Larry Coryell (w/ Eleventh House and Alphonse
Mouzon) play at a small club last night and....these guys still kicks ass
better than he did in the seventies (when I last saw Larry) and better than
most guitarists I've seen so far in the nineties!! Don't miss a chance to
see'em if you get a chance...pure mental brain flossing!

Best Regards and see you in NYC...bought my airline flight on MONDAY!

Dr. Skull
Albert "Skip" Rizzo, Ph.D.
Research Assistant Professor
Integrated Media Systems Center
and School of Gerontology
University of Southern California
3715 McClintock Ave. MC-0191
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Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 22:38:20 +0100
From: "Mark L. Potts"
Subject: gg: RE: Football season

> << Who could have foreseen that Denver would give up 48 points in
> one game? Even two games would have been hard to believe. >>
>
> >Hey now!! It was only 38! Only 18 too many...
>
> Sorry, you're right - but it might as well have been 48. ;)

I'm just surprised I didn't vomit during the retiring of ol' Horse Face's
shirt.

Ah, another football season gets under way, and ya know, the Raiders didn't
look
"too bad" against the Pack. But then again, the Cardiac pack ain't what it
used to
be, either. Vikes and Falcons both looked scrappy and out of it, the 49ers
were,
well, shit as were the Browns and the Ravens. Marino will chuck it all away
like
he has done at some point in every season he's played and as for the Bills,
who?

Predictions:

AFC:
Seattle
Pittsburgh
New England

NFC:
Jacksonville
Minnesota
New York Giants

Wild Cards:
New York Jets
Green Bay

Superbowl:
New England v Jacksonville

Jacksonville win!

And what of my beloved Raiders? Oh they'll end up with a 50-50 record (at
best) cos they
can't possibly mount a winning season until they lose Al!


Bo knew football,

There's no lights on the Christmas tree Mother,

Mark L. Potts
The God of Thunder

np: Bobby Thompson - The Little Waster

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Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 00:05:11 +0200
From: casglatze@t-online.de (casglatze)
Subject: gg: I'm back

Hi, everyone,

haven't been able to read much lately - too much work - too much travelling.

I found a few points I'd like to comment on.

First records: Well, the first records I bought myself were:
7": Purple: Fireball
LP: Purple: Made in Japan
and that was a coincidence, as they were about 1 year apart.

Someone asked for recent live Purple stuff. I've got news for you here:

recently, the Deep Purple Appreciation Society released a 2-CD set called "Total
Abandon" - recorded in Australia in 1999 on the Abandon tour. ABSOLUTELY
BRILLIANT. This is so good I can't believe it. I found an ad of a German
mail-order house called jpc (www.jpc.de) who offer that CD and a video from that
show. Don't know if the video exists.

Somebody wrote about "His Last Voyage" that he couldn't get into it. Strange, as
that was always one of my favourites. However, I found it difficult to get into
the jazzy middle part after the dreamy intro sequence.

Also, the other day I got the "Knots" CD, but have not yet been able to listen
to it. What do y'all think of it?

Well, that's it for now. Good to be back.

Carsten the Krautmeister

P.S.: thanks, Brad, for answering my King's X question a while ago. Very much
appreciated!

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Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 18:59:14 -0400
From: Bert Rubini
Subject: gg: Pedantic, Overly long, and boring list of books (special bonus: no gg content)

Hi:

Well, I've been enjoying the favorite books thread, as reading is
almost as much a passion for me as watching TV. Er, I mean,
MUSIC.

I can't possibly list my favorite 10 books, (any more than I
could list my favorite 10 pieces of music), but here are SOME of
my favorites:

_Look at the Harlequins_ by Vladimir Nabokov. I choose this
particular one not because it's his best, necessarily, but
because it is a delightful read for anyone familiar with his
other work and his life. It was one of his last books (maybe the
very last?) and it is a sort of parody of his life, and really
sums up his career. The protagonist is a thinly disguised
doppelganger of Nabokov himself, whose book titles are all veiled
references to Nabokov's own books, and the entire novel is filled
with jokey references to events in his life. If you've never
read Nabokov before, PLEASE DO! He's one of the masters. (This
book wouldn't be a good one to start with, though, because you'll
miss out on a lot of the references if you haven't read his other
stuff - start with _Lolita_ or _Pale Fire_). I was delighted to
see Nabokov appear on someone else's list.

_The Narrow Corner_ by Somerset Maugham. Again, I can't choose a
*favorite* with Maugham, they are all so good. (I could probably
fill my entire list exclusively with books by Vladimir Nabokov
and Somerset Maugham. These guys are the twin stars in the
firmament for me). For me, reading Maugham is all about his
language, his flow. To use a musical analogy, if Nabokov is
compositional, Maugham is improvisational. Reading Nabokov is
like listening to Bach (or GG); you are amazed at the way the
whole thing is *constructed*, how all the pieces fit together,
the compositional whole. With Maugham, it's more like listening
to a wonderful instrumentalist as he/she improvises. Beautiful
language just seems to flow out of the guy. The plot is almost
incidental, you don't care what *happens* as long as you can keep
on reading these lovely words. His stories are also very, very
subtle..... sometimes you have to read a book or story a few
times before you get the point.

(I should interject here - one thing I like about both of the
above authors is their ability to write about unpleasant, or even
downright despicable characters, in a way that makes you like
them anyway).

_A Patchwork Planet_ by Anne Tyler. She makes the commonplace
seem celestial. She can make you laugh and cry on the same page,
even in the same sentence, almost at once. Her characters are
more realistic than some actual people I know. (Again, this is
only one of many books of hers that I've loved).

_Love in the Time of Cholera_ by Gabriel Garcia Marquez. The
only book on this list that I've only read once - only because I
just "discovered" it a few months back. I like books that
describe a culture as they describe their characters, and it's a
terrific love story.

_The Compete Sherlock Holmes_ by A. Conan Doyle. Elementary, my
dear Flotsam. What can I say? Holmes is my role model.

_The Once and Future King_ by TH White. OK, it's kind of corny,
even (perhaps) juvenile, but it's my favorite re-telling of the
legend of King Arthur.

_The Visual Display of Quantitative Information_ by Edward
Tufte. The only non-fiction title on my list. ( Outside of
work, I hardly ever read anything but novels). Despite it's
somewhat intimidating title, this is book is very entertaining,
readable, and yes, even funny. A history of the use of charts,
graphs and quantitative diagramming in print, and a treatise on
how to properly (and IMPROPERLY) construct them. Contains a very
informative and eye-opening section on how various media use
statistics to lie and mislead, sometimes unwittingly. Written by
a man who is obviously a connoisseur.

By the way, does anyone remember about a year or two back when
some organization published a list of the (supposed) 100 greatest
novels of all time? Anyone know where I can find a copy of
this? I think the organization was an academic body.

well, that's all I can think of now. I'm sure I'll think of 20
more as soon as I send this message.

bert

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My homepage - slightly more interesting than watching grass grow:

http://www.hcc.cc.fl.us/services/faculty/bertrubini/home.htm

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Date: Thu, 16 Sep 1999 23:35:41 -0400
From: Daniel Potvin
Subject: gg: Dot Com

Hi
I still can't find Tull's latest CD anywhere

anyway in the meantime can you guys at least tell me who plays on the album
other than Ian and Martin of course.

Thanks
Daniel

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Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 00:33:49 -0400
From: Tatsurou Ueda
Subject: gg: If anyone cares for umbrella...

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Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 08:15:02 +0000
From: "Fred Rosenkamp"
Subject: Re: gg: Dot Com

> anyway in the meantime can you guys at least tell me who plays on the album
> other than Ian and Martin of course.
>
> Thanks
> Daniel
>
>


A) Try
B) Click 'musicians'
C) and find it out yourself.

It's as simple as that!

Fred

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Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 10:30:18 +0200
From: "Frank B. Carvalho"
Subject: Re: gg: keyboards and such

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Hi, and thanks for the input on the keyboard issue!

Rich wrote:
>Right, but things changed a bit after The Missing Piece record, maybe
>even after Inteview. I know he added a Roland JP-4 (I think that's
>the model) for Missing Piece tour, and might have had a Rhodes on the
>Interview tour, both of which were not present previously. He had a
>second Minimoog also for Missing Piece, and some Yamaha thing (a
>keyboard, as well as a mixer) that I'm not sure of the model.

Dan6 wrote:
>The several times I saw GG, Kerry had a B-3, Wurlitzer, Mini-Moog and a D6.

>Once I think I saw a string synth of some sort but I never saw him with a
>Mellotron.

Yes, he definitely used some sort of stringer from Interview and onwards.
At least on the recordings, so probably also on the road. I can't think of
any usage of mellotrons after Missing Piece (and hardly on MP either).

And Rich also said:

>I'm sure he told me that he never toured with one [mellotron], and that
>reliability (or, more specifically, a lack thereof) was the reason..

This surprises me though. On 'Playing the Fool' there's definitely a
mellotron
in the Octopus medley during 'Knots'. Was this added during the mix - like
the
clav?

Dan6 also wrote:

>BTW I don't hear the Rhodes on PatG. It's Wurlitzer.

Rich replied:

>The first note on that record is Rhodes, as are the rest of the
>electric pianos on Proclamation, Aspirations, and, BTW, Interview (he
>appears with a Rhodes in the "Interview" video). He and I spoke
>about this - he liked the Rhodes, he said, but preferred the way the
>Wurli cut through the band most of the time, live.

Rich (and Kerry) is definitely right. It's a Rhodes You just don't get
those chimey glockenspiel overtones with a Wurlie.

>>Other sad stories include when he had to sell his Hammond to be able
>>to buy food for the family.

Ouch! This really hurts to hear and especially that it was out of pure
necessity. Hopefully he was able to aquire another one later on.
Hammonds can be had surprisingly cheap these days (except maybe the B-3s).
Didn't Gary also put his Les Paul up for sale not so long ago? Oh, I hate
when people sell out their gear (read: their sound!). Like the Tony Banks
auction. Selling out Genesis by the Pound. Every time I've sold a piece of
musical equipment, I have always regretted it afterwards.

Keep those keyboard mesages coming!

Cheers

Frank Carvalho

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Hi, and thanks for the input on the keyboard issue!



Rich wrote:

>Right, but things changed a bit after The Missing Piece record, maybe
>even after Inteview.  I know he added a Roland JP-4 (I think that's
>the model) for Missing Piece tour, and might have had a Rhodes on the
>Interview tour, both of which were not present previously.  He had a
>second Minimoog also for Missing Piece, and some Yamaha thing (a
>keyboard, as well as a mixer) that I'm not sure of the model.
Dan6 wrote:
>The several times I saw GG, Kerry had a B-3, Wurlitzer, Mini-Moog and a D6. 
>Once I think I saw a string synth of some sort but I never saw him with a
>Mellotron. 
Yes, he definitely used some sort of stringer from Interview and onwards.
At least on the recordings, so probably also on the road. I can't think of
any usage of mellotrons after Missing Piece (and hardly on MP either).
And Rich also said:
>I'm sure he told me that he never toured with one [mellotron], and that
>reliability (or, more specifically, a lack thereof) was the reason..
This surprises me though. On 'Playing the Fool' there's definitely a mellotron
in the Octopus medley during 'Knots'. Was this added during the mix - like the
clav?
Dan6 also wrote:
>BTW I don't hear the Rhodes on PatG.  It's Wurlitzer.
Rich replied:
>The first note on that record is Rhodes, as are the rest of the
>electric pianos on Proclamation, Aspirations, and, BTW, Interview (he
>appears with a Rhodes in the "Interview" video).  He and I spoke
>about this - he liked the Rhodes, he said, but preferred the way the
>Wurli cut through the band most of the time, live.
Rich (and Kerry) is definitely right. It's a Rhodes. You just don't get
those chimey glockenspiel overtones with a Wurlie.
>>Other sad stories include when he had to sell his Hammond to be able
>>to buy food for the family.
Ouch! This really hurts to hear and especially that it was out of pure
necessity. Hopefully he was able to aquire another one later on.
Hammonds can be had surprisingly cheap these days (except maybe the B-3s).
Didn't Gary also put his Les Paul up for sale not so long ago? Oh, I hate
when people sell out their gear (read: their sound!). Like the Tony Banks
auction. Selling out Genesis by the Pound. Every time I've sold a piece of
musical equipment, I have always regretted it afterwards.
Keep those keyboard mesages coming!
Cheers
Frank Carvalho
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Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 11:19:18 +0200
From: Sven Eriksen
Subject: Re: gg: keyboards and such

> "Frank B. Carvalho" wrote:
>
>I can't think of any usage of mellotrons after Missing Piece (and
hardly on MP either).

I can not hear Mellotron on any GG record after "Octopus".
>
> And Rich also said:
>
> >I'm sure he told me that he never toured with one [mellotron], and that reliability (or, more specifically, a lack thereof) was the reason..

Well he did. The 1973 concert from "Out Of The Fire" has a mellotron.
>
> This surprises me though. On 'Playing the Fool' there's definitely a mellotron in the Octopus medley during 'Knots'. Was this added during the mix - like the clav?

That's where I hear in on the 1973 recording. But on "Playing The Fool"?
I don't think so, but I'll give it another listen. In any case it must
have been added in the mix, because I saw GG on the PTF tour and there
was no Mellotron present on stage.

Sven

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Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 07:53:56 -0400 (EDT)
From: mammienun@webtv.net
Subject: Re: gg: keyboards and such

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Sven wrote that the '73 OotF concert contained a Mellotron....wasn't
that done in the studio? Frank mentioned regretting selling off
gear...if I still had the Selmer alto sax I had 20 yrs. ago it would be
worth 3 times what it was then. Never again! I rue the day, Ez


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Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 13:58:41 +0200
From: Sven Eriksen
Subject: Re: gg: keyboards and such

mammienun@webtv.net wrote:
>
> Sven wrote that the '73 OotF concert contained a Mellotron....wasn't
> that done in the studio?

I don't think the '73 OOTF concert had anything redone in the studio. Or
am I really wrong here?

Sven

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