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on-reflection-digest Saturday, September 18 1999 Volume 01 : Number 1870



Re: gg: keyboards and such
gg: RAINBOW - "Rising"(1999 remaster)
gg: Coryell w/Eleventh House; Knots; Tull's band
Re: gg: RAINBOW - "Rising"(1999 remaster)
gg: HTM
gg: no GG;yes, actually...
Re: gg: keyboards and such
gg: the mysterious disappearing mellotron
Re: gg: HTM
Re: gg: Wurlirhodes
gg: Wurlirhodes
gg: Re: Wurlirhodes
gg: Re: Wurlirhodes
Re: gg: keyboards and such
Re: gg: Wurlirhodes
gg: Stern
Re: gg: keyboards and such
gg: Album of Covers

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Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 16:12:37 +0200
From: "Frank B. Carvalho"
Subject: Re: gg: keyboards and such

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>> Sven wrote that the '73 OotF concert contained a Mellotron....wasn't
>> that done in the studio?
>
>I don't think the '73 OOTF concert had anything redone in the studio. Or
>am I really wrong here?

I don't think so. Last week someone quoted Kerry for saying that he stopped
using
the mellotron live as it was too much weight to carry around for just
supporting
the Mini-Moog. This of course implies that until that decision was made he
actually
DID drag the mighty 'tron around.

Cheers

Frank Carvalho

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>>

>> Sven wrote that the '73 OotF concert contained a Mellotron....wasn't
>> that done in the studio?
>
>I don't think the '73 OOTF concert had anything redone in the studio. Or
>am I really wrong here?
I don't think so. Last week someone quoted Kerry for saying that he stopped using
the mellotron live as it was too much weight to carry around for just supporting
the Mini-Moog. This of course implies that until that decision was made he actually
DID drag the mighty 'tron around.
Cheers
Frank Carvalho
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Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 11:13:53 EDT
From: "Reginald Dunlop"
Subject: gg: RAINBOW - "Rising"(1999 remaster)

Hello Giants!

I received the new remaster of RAINBOW's "Rising" yesterday. I have listened
to it 4 times since. The people at Polydor did a fine job remastering this
recording. It you want to hear Zeppelin like "Kashmir" sounding tracks with
some more accomplished guitar work ;), you owe it to yourself to purchase
the RAINBOW - "Rising" recording. This record(to my ears at least), is one
of Ritchie Blackmore's finest(on par with many classic Deep Purple
recordings). This album has a mystic & grandiose sound with plenty of killer
guitar riffs and electric classical arpeggios, as well as a top notch
line-up to boot. Here's the line-up:

RITCHIE BLACKMORE - Guitar
COZY POWELL - Drums and Percussion
JIMMY BAIN - Bass
DON AIREY - Keyboards
RONNIE JAMES DIO - Band Midget & Vocals

Cozy is kick ass on the drum kit, and Dio's finest vocals can be heard on
the "Rising" recording(don't worry, he sounds nothing like he did in the
'80s). The "Rising" album was Blackmore's stab at Prog. Rock, and it's not
*commercial* in the least. There is also an orchestra(Berlin
Philharmonic...I believe) which grace the last track of the album while
blending in perfectly with the Rainbow band. Check it out if you can. You
won't be disappointed.

Ciao,

REGINALD DUNLOP

P.S. The remaster is available at Cheap or What CDs in the UK. I am in no
way affiliated with them, just a happy customer. :) If you need the URL to
go there, just send me an e-mail.

np: Terje Rypdal - "After The Rain"
on deck: Wigwam - "Fairyport"


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Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 10:25:58 -0700
From: "Scott Steele"
Subject: gg: Coryell w/Eleventh House; Knots; Tull's band

>HOT TIP--I went to see Larry Coryell (w/ Eleventh House and Alphonse Mouzon) play at a small club last night and....these guys still kicks ass better than he did in the seventies (when I last saw Larry) and better than most guitarists I've seen so far in the nineties!! Don't miss a chance to see'em if you get a chance... pure mental brain flossing!

Thanks Dr. Skull, you are one of my favorite mennil toss flycoons. Who else was in the band? I heard a wild rumor that Jeff Berlin was with him. All my Fusion Brethren and Sisteren must pick up Coryell/Coster/Smith's Cause and Effect - it's shreddin'.

>Also, the other day I got the "Knots" CD, but have not yet been able to listen to it. What do y'all think of it?

I have found it slow going as well - not very tuneful.

>I still can't find Tull's latest CD anywhere - anyway in the meantime can you guys at least tell me who plays on the album other than Ian and Martin of course.

Doane Perry, Jonathan Noyce, and Andy Giddings - this lineup seems pretty solid. - S.

np: Toy Matinee

scottst@ohsu.edu

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Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 20:03:04 +0000
From: "Fred Rosenkamp"
Subject: Re: gg: RAINBOW - "Rising"(1999 remaster)

Thanks for the Rainbow info! Did you, or anyone, by any chance hear
Blackmore's recent 'medieaval' project (title slipped my mind...Under a
Violet Moon)? I only heard a few bars, but wasn't very impressed. Too kitsch
& false romanticism IMHO. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

Cheers,
Fred

np Baby Grand - Ancient Medicine.

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Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 15:54:04 -0400
From: Marty Mermelstein
Subject: gg: HTM

Marty Mermelstein
Marty@Global.Dataart.com

Just got My CD copy of HTM and Crafty Hands. Whoever does not have
Crafty Hands
Must get it now that it is available. It sounds great on CD especially
since I wore out the vinyl.
Anyone get The Ladder. I know it comes out here monday but I still want
some more reviews.

Regards,
Marty

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Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 22:53:15 +0200
From: "Jan Dubbe"
Subject: gg: no GG;yes, actually...

Whenever an album gives me the shivers the first time ever I hear it, I know
there must be something that will make me love it in the future. Well, Yes,
at last, did it again.... And I thank them for this old-fashioned feeling of
excitement I do not experience that often, nowadays.
np: what a silly question to ask...
nd: mineral water and genever (Dutch gin)

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Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 16:56:26 -0400
From: Richard Hilton
Subject: Re: gg: keyboards and such

At 10:30 AM +0200 9/17/99, Frank B. Carvalho, amidst a pile of
intelligence, wrote:
>And Rich also said:
>
> >I'm sure he told me that he never toured with one [mellotron], and that
> >reliability (or, more specifically, a lack thereof) was the reason..
>
>This surprises me though. On 'Playing the Fool' there's definitely a mellotron
>in the Octopus medley during 'Knots'. Was this added during the mix - like the
>clav?

There is no mellotron on Playing the Fool, or on any other live
Giant. Then only thing added to PtF, according to legend, is that
the clavinets were all re-recorded afterwards due to the usual
tonnage of buzz and hummmmm they provide.

Best,
Rich


Richard Hilton/Boppybop Toons Inc.
http://members.aol.com/hiltonius/BTI_page.html

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Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 17:35:45 -0400
From: Richard Hilton
Subject: gg: the mysterious disappearing mellotron

At 6:00 AM -0700 9/17/99, Sven wrote:
RH
> > >I'm sure he told me that he never toured with one [mellotron],
>and that reliability (or, more specifically, a lack thereof) was the
>reason..
>SE:
>Well he did. The 1973 concert from "Out Of The Fire" has a mellotron.

Please point me to exactly where this appears. I have not heard
this, and I do not believe that it is truly there.

Best,
Rich


Richard Hilton/Boppybop Toons Inc.
http://members.aol.com/hiltonius/BTI_page.html

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Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 18:17:19 EDT
From: SPBrader@aol.com
Subject: Re: gg: HTM

Marty wrote,

<< Anyone get The Ladder. I know it comes out here monday but I still want
some more reviews.
>>

My review. It's great!

Simon

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Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 20:31:57 EDT
From: Claudio666@aol.com
Subject: Re: gg: Wurlirhodes

In a message dated 9/17/99 2:33:08 AM Mountain Daylight Time, fbc@idp.dk
writes:

<< Rich (and Kerry) is definitely right. It's a Rhodes. You just don't get
those chimey glockenspiel overtones with a Wurlie. >>

Well, I'd NEVER argue with Kerry, and I'll assume the rest of you know what
you're talking about (one-time only, special offer), so I'll submit to TPatG
being Rhodes-generated. However, a band I was in used to do "Aspirations".
At the time I had both a Wurlie and a Rhodes, and I got much closer to the
recorded sound with my Wurlie. Maybe I have a bad Rhodes (I sold the Wurlie
to a Supertramp fan for more than I paid for it and I was DAMN tired of
maintaining it!). I just didn't hear all the specific overtones one usually
associates with a Rhodes. Maybe gets back to the questionable quality of the
Capitol vinyl. But I have the Capitol CD and it sounds the same way. Maybe
my ears have lost some high-end. (My, how could THAT be?)

So NOW I had to listen to TPatG again and reorient myself. Just when I
thought I knew what I was talking about...it's definitely a Rhodes. But I
found the signature sound at the lower registers rather than higher up. I
guess I was (and still am) more interested in what he's playing than "WHAT"
he's playing, if you catch my drift. Funny that I never thought about the
instrumentation before...

Thank you for setting me straight! I hate it when that happens, BTW

Dan6
n.d. Full Sail ESB
n.p. Guess!!

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Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 21:24:40 -0400
From: "David and Stacey Shur"
Subject: gg: Wurlirhodes

Now it's time to tell stories about how many times the reeds broke in W
pianos in the middle of gigs........Uch......... -David Eric

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Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 21:32:49 EDT
From: Claudio666@aol.com
Subject: gg: Re: Wurlirhodes

In a message dated 9/17/99 7:26:03 PM Mountain Daylight Time, dshur@erols.com
writes:

<< Now it's time to tell stories about how many times the reeds broke in W
pianos in the middle of gigs........Uch......... >>

Which is why I had both, the Rhodes sat on top of the Wurli's flat top very
nicely, though I preferred the Wurli's action...many a "break time" was spent
in Wurli maintenance while the boys were off enjoying a cold one...bastards!
Amazing what you could do in 15 minutes if you were motivated!

Dan6

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Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 21:38:30 -0400
From: Richard Hilton
Subject: gg: Re: Wurlirhodes

At 9:24 PM -0400 9/17/99, David and Stacey Shur wrote:
>Now it's time to tell stories about how many times the reeds broke in W
>pianos in the middle of gigs........Uch.........

More times then I'd care to count.....having to re-voice chords on
the fly so as to avoid the missing reed was always a thrill. Every
time I tried to put solder on the reed, and re-tune it by filing it
down, that damn thing would break the very next time I played it.

However, WE were lucky....at least we weren't carrying around a
freakin' MELLOTRON, like some people we know......

Best,
Rich


Richard Hilton/Boppybop Toons Inc.
http://members.aol.com/hiltonius/BTI_page.html

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Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 21:36:40 -0400
From: "drj_saro"
Subject: Re: gg: keyboards and such

>> And Rich also said:
>>
>> >I'm sure he told me that he never toured with one [mellotron], and that
reliability (or, more specifically, a lack thereof) was the reason..
>
>Well he did. The 1973 concert from "Out Of The Fire" has a mellotron.
>>

yeah, but that recording is not from a _tour_.
Live for BBC shows were sometimes done in a theatre, but often done "live"
in a studio with limited opportunities for overdubbing.

thank you for your time and attention.

Julius J. SAROKA
drj_saro@neo.rr.com
Cuyahoga Falls OHIO

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Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 22:17:27 -0500
From: Steve and Terry Lottich
Subject: Re: gg: Wurlirhodes

Claudio:
>So NOW I had to listen to TPatG again and reorient myself. Just when I
>thought I knew what I was talking about...it's definitely a Rhodes. But I
>found the signature sound at the lower registers rather than higher up.

To me the signature sound of the Rhodes comes at about 4:30 of
Proclamation, right after the "day by day by day by day..." fadeout, in
that repeating low 2-note figure with the ping-pong effect going.

BTW, I'm just eating up all the keyboard talk. Thanks, everyone!

Steve "Tickle me ivories" Lottich

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Date: Sat, 18 Sep 1999 01:05:15 EDT
From: Dokwebb@aol.com
Subject: gg: Stern

Hail all Fusebros and Jazz cats

The new Mike Stern is out! Titled simply Play... The following is from his
website:

"All the sparks and searing interplay you'd expect from a summit meeting of
three of the most influential guitarists of their generation" - Bill
Milkowski, Jazz Times

With Play, his ninth release on Atlantic Jazz, Mike Stern summons up more
fretboard magic in a six-string summit meeting with fellow guitarists John
Scofield and Bill Frisell. Drummers Ben Perowsky and Dennis Chambers, bassist
Lincoln Goines, tenor saxophonist Bob Malach and keyboardist/producer Jim
Beard round out the cast on this gathering of three of the most influential
and respected guitarists of their generation.

np: you guessed it - Mike Stern, Play!

dok

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Date: Sat, 18 Sep 1999 02:23:30 -0400 (EDT)
From: mammienun@webtv.net
Subject: Re: gg: keyboards and such

The liner notes on OotF indicate that both the '73 and '78 shows were
recorded at Golders Green Hippodrome, London. The '73 show was recorded
16/11 (their typo, not mine) and Transmitted by BBC 8/12/73. Even if
this gig was recorded in the midst of a tour there was plenty enough
time to dub in a Mellotron. Was there any doctoring done Dr. J? q;^()>
Ez

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Date: Sat, 18 Sep 1999 12:25:44 +0200
From: "Jerry Bartlett"
Subject: gg: Album of Covers

In Today (Saturday)'s Guardian (a British broadsheet) there is an article on
the 100 greatest album covers of all time.
I thought it was quite unbiased, for a British newspaper, but it really is
an article about the book of the same name, therefore it doesn't involve any
typical British music-reporting inverse snobbery.

I wonder how many of the covers the people on this list might propose that
would coincide with the authors' choices.

When I get to work, I might scan the article.
/Jerry Formerly in Sweden

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