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on-reflection-digest Sunday, September 19 1999 Volume 01 : Number 1871
gg: Re: Bargain Out of the Fire CD!
Re: gg: Wurlirhodes
RE: gg: Chessmen
Re: gg: keyboards and such
gg: Wurly
Re: gg: keyboards and such
gg: Re: Wurly
gg: Re: Stern
gg: Free Hackett MP3's + Banks & Strictly Inc. CD's....
gg: No apologies....
gg: Re: Stern Dokresponse/what's playing 'round here
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Date: Sat, 18 Sep 1999 08:03:30 -0700 (PDT)
From: "Jesús" Tapia
Subject: gg: Re: Bargain Out of the Fire CD!
I just found this double Cd for £8.99 in a saturday market in
London. I listened to CD 1 on my way to work this afternoon today. Way
of Life sounds great!.
Now, I want to get out and listen to CD 2... ;)
- --- mammienun@webtv.net wrote:
> The liner notes on OotF indicate that both the '73
> and '78 shows were
> recorded at Golders Green Hippodrome, London. The
> '73 show was recorded
> 16/11 (their typo, not mine) and Transmitted by BBC
> 8/12/73. Even if
> this gig was recorded in the midst of a tour there
> was plenty enough
> time to dub in a Mellotron. Was there any doctoring
> done Dr. J? q;^()>
> Ez
>
>
===
Best Regards,
Jesús Tapia
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Date: Sat, 18 Sep 1999 18:06:51 +0300
From: "Mikko Pellinen"
Subject: Re: gg: Wurlirhodes
Dan6 wrote:
> Well, I'd NEVER argue with Kerry, and I'll assume the rest of you know
what
> you're talking about (one-time only, special offer), so I'll submit to
TPatG
> being Rhodes-generated. However, a band I was in used to do
"Aspirations".
> At the time I had both a Wurlie and a Rhodes, and I got much closer to the
> recorded sound with my Wurlie. Maybe I have a bad Rhodes (I sold the
Wurlie
> to a Supertramp fan for more than I paid for it and I was DAMN tired of
< maintaining it!). I just didn't hear all the specific overtones one
usually
< associates with a Rhodes
Hi there!
Keyboard talk! Great!!!
Yes, that is definitely a Rhodes on TPatG (just in case if there is still
someone arguing... :-).
The Rhodes Kerry used sounds very much like a Suitcase model. Those chimey
overtones are easy achieve with that instrument, because the Suitcases had
built in pre-amps. And perhaps Dan6:s Rhodes was a Stage Piano model (also
built in a suitcase :-), which has no preamp, so it often sounds dark and
muddy, especially when played directly to the P.A.
And there was also talk about the Clavinet. Listen to The Power & the Glory
(the song): if that's not a D6 then nothing is!!!
Cheers, Mikko
"The seat of learning and the flush of success
relieves the constipated mind."
-10cc, 1975
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Date: Sat, 18 Sep 1999 08:31:35 -0700 (PDT)
From: "Jesús" Tapia
Subject: RE: gg: Chessmen
Is everybody filing their claws?
I have not heard from you...
- --- William Tindall wrote:
> Ok, folks, I'll be white. You can all either gang
> up on me as black, or contact me privately to put a
> white strategy together.
> 1. P - K4
>
> Come on, I dare ya! ;^)
>
> DR, you started this, so any complaints go straight
> to you. (oooh, what a chicken defense!)
>
> Bill "Steinitz who?" T
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jesús" Tapia
> Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 1999 3:57 AM
> To: Dan Weese; xf103rep@svn.net; drob@oricom.ca;
> on-reflection@darkwing.uoregon.edu
> Subject: Re: gg: Chessmen
>
>
>
> --- Dan Weese wrote:
> >
> > > I love chess, though I am way out of practice.
> > One of my fave books is
> > >Richard Reti's "Modern Ideas In Chess".
> >
> > Any serious chess player should not be without
> > Modern Chess Openings by
> > Walter Korn and Modern Chess Opening Theory by
> > Suetin, The Middle Game (1 &
> > 2) by Euwe & Kramer and Catalog of Chess Mistakes
> by
> > A.Soltis
> >
>
> I am a chess fan too, but I have not played in
> ages!
> I remember a very good book by Boris Weinstein
> (russian) and I think
> it was called (in spanish) "La Trampa en la
> Apertura", Tricks at the
> Opening, or something like that. It is a fantastic
> book.
> Also, have any of you have read about Carlos
> Torre, he was a Grand
> Master at a very young age and it is said that he
> once defeated the
> world champion (1925, I think, can't recall his name
> now, a German no
> doubt) in Moscow by sacrificing his QUEEN. He then
> went to beat the
> champ in less than 7 moves...
> A lot of chess clubs in Mexico are named after
> this man from
> Yucatan...
>
>
> >
> ______________________________________________________
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> >
>
> ===
> Best Regards,
> Jesús Tapia
>
>
>
>
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Date: Sat, 18 Sep 1999 20:40:29 +0200
From: casglatze@t-online.de (casglatze)
Subject: Re: gg: keyboards and such
drj_saro schrieb:
>
> >> And Rich also said:
> >>
> >> >I'm sure he told me that he never toured with one [mellotron], and that
> reliability (or, more specifically, a lack thereof) was the reason..
> >
> >Well he did. The 1973 concert from "Out Of The Fire" has a mellotron.
> >>
>
> yeah, but that recording is not from a _tour_.
> Live for BBC shows were sometimes done in a theatre, but often done "live"
> in a studio with limited opportunities for overdubbing.
>
> thank you for your time and attention.
>
> Julius J. SAROKA
> drj_saro@neo.rr.com
> Cuyahoga Falls OHIO
>
>
>
Julius is definitely right. The BBC shows were usually live in the studio before
few fans and in all likelihood not part of the tour. So Kerry could've carted
anything he wanted in there for a one-off gig. That's why both your impressions
and Kerry's memories could be right. I believe in this theory, as sometimes the
mellotron seems to be very much audible...at least to my German ears.
Yours,
Carsten the Krautmeister
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Date: Sat, 18 Sep 1999 16:18:01 -0400
From: "Gary Citro"
Subject: gg: Wurly
>>Now it's time to tell stories about how many times the reeds broke in W
>>pianos in the middle of gigs........Uch.........
>
> More times then I'd care to count.....having to re-voice chords on
> the fly so as to avoid the missing reed was always a thrill. Every
> time I tried to put solder on the reed, and re-tune it by filing it
> down, that damn thing would break the very next time I played it.
Also, getting the notes at a uniform volume and voicing it is a real bitch.
Only a few months ago, I took my Wurly out of mothballs and set out to bring
it back into shape. I thought I'd simply drive on down to my local Sam Ash
to get the reeds like the olden days. No sir. Little did I realize it
would be a week long search on newsgroups and wherever, and phone calls all
over the country..
Finally, take note that the place to get Wurly reeds is:
Morelock Organ Parts & Service
37A Main St.
Rienzi, Miss. 38865
Phone:662-462-7611
I now actually have my Wurly standing all by itself in my *living room*, and
I love it more than ever. I've stacked a bunch of different keyboards on it
over the years, but trust me, you will appreciate it more as a stand alone.
Now, who has a music rack for it?
I can't find mine! :-)
Gary Citro
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Date: Sat, 18 Sep 1999 16:29:25 -0400 (EDT)
From: mammienun@webtv.net
Subject: Re: gg: keyboards and such
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Hello Krautmeister. It's good to hear from you. Do you have the Out of
the Fire cd? Check the liner notes...the '73 show was indeed recorded
before an audience in a 'Hippodrome' but was not aired until a couple of
months after that. Wish I had some video footage...that would set the
record straight fer sure. Ez
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Date: Sat, 18 Sep 1999 16:46:53 -0400
From: "David and Stacey Shur"
Subject: gg: Re: Wurly
David Eric Shur wrote
> >>Now it's time to tell stories about how many times the reeds broke in W
> >>pianos in the middle of gigs........Uch.........
Rich Hilton wrote
> > More times then I'd care to count.....having to re-voice chords on
> > the fly so as to avoid the missing reed was always a thrill. Every
> > time I tried to put solder on the reed, and re-tune it by filing it
> > down, that damn thing would break the very next time I played it.
> Also, getting the notes at a uniform volume and voicing it is a real
bitch.
Gary Citro wrote:
> Only a few months ago, I took my Wurly out of mothballs and set out to
bring
> it back into shape. I thought I'd simply drive on down to my local Sam
Ash
> to get the reeds like the olden days. No sir. Little did I realize it
> would be a week long search on newsgroups and wherever, and phone calls
all
> over the country..
> Finally, take note that the place to get Wurly reeds is:
> Morelock Organ Parts & Service
> 37A Main St.
> Rienzi, Miss. 38865
> Phone:662-462-7611
> I now actually have my Wurly standing all by itself in my *living room*,
and
> I love it more than ever. I've stacked a bunch of different keyboards on
it
> over the years, but trust me, you will appreciate it more as a stand
alone.
> Now, who has a music rack for it?
> I can't find mine!
David Eric Shur writes
I never stacked anything on top of mine. The rounded top wasn't good. I
usually kept the music stand on top, and used it as reference for those
passages I hadn't memorized yet. I'll keep an eye out for the stand......
Revoicing chords when those damn reeds wrote was indeed an interesting
task.... I still have my Freeman Symphoniser, Korg 770, and Juno 106. I
will never get rid of those. I now play a Roland HP1600E at home, since I
no longer play out. It has 82 keys, something I sorely missed when I was
banging the ol' Wurly........ -David Eric
>
> Gary Citro
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Date: Sat, 18 Sep 1999 19:23:42 -0400
From: "Drew W. Eaton"
Subject: gg: Re: Stern
So Dok,
What's your impression of it?
Drew
>Hail all Fusebros and Jazz cats
>
>The new Mike Stern is out! Titled simply Play... The following is from
his
>website:
>
>"All the sparks and searing interplay you'd expect from a summit meeting of
>three of the most influential guitarists of their generation" - Bill
>Milkowski, Jazz Times
>
>With Play, his ninth release on Atlantic Jazz, Mike Stern summons up more
>fretboard magic in a six-string summit meeting with fellow guitarists John
>Scofield and Bill Frisell. Drummers Ben Perowsky and Dennis Chambers,
bassist
>Lincoln Goines, tenor saxophonist Bob Malach and keyboardist/producer Jim
>Beard round out the cast on this gathering of three of the most influential
>and respected guitarists of their generation.
>
>np: you guessed it - Mike Stern, Play!
>
>dok
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Date: Sun, 19 Sep 1999 01:25:10 -0400
From: Daniel Potvin
Subject: gg: Free Hackett MP3's + Banks & Strictly Inc. CD's....
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Date: Sun, 19 Sep 1999 03:48:42 -0400 (EDT)
From: mammienun@webtv.net
Subject: gg: No apologies....
After a hard night of gigging I had hoped to get home and watch a tape
of the big fight without hearing the result ahead of time. It didn't
happen. When I heard the outcome was in favor of Tito I assumed that
there must have been a knockdown...how else could the Golden Boy lose a
decision? Yes, Oscar was moving backwards most of the bout...eluding
Trinidad for the most part. Everyone knows you can't win a fight like
that. But after seeing the fight I realized that the MONEY is in the
rematch...something that would never have happened had De La Hoya won.
Another black eye for boxing. I refuse to apologize for what I think or
feel is right. So what if you like PFM...does the approval of other list
members really warrant an "I'm sorry"? I like PFM...those Italian
accents on the English lyrics crack me up. Now feeel yer arts weeth
celeebration..for thats loves sway. Must get to sleep now..have a good,
mammienight.
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Date: Sun, 19 Sep 1999 08:52:42 -0400
From: "Drew W. Eaton"
Subject: gg: Re: Stern Dokresponse/what's playing 'round here
I had posted asking Dok about the new Stern recording:
Dok replied:
>I like it.
>Of course he keeps the same guitar tone he always has had but his playing
is
>ace. Sco plays on three tunes and Frizz on 4 I believe... They are both
>recognizable but Bill is a little more background perhaps.. I've only
>listened twice now so the tunes aren't cemented yet but I believe it's a
>keeper. I like Stern's work in general anyhoo and have most of his solo
>albums. If you like any of those I would assume you'll enjoy this one!
Then he opened the floodgates for me and my Sunday 7 a.m. coffee:
>So how are you Drew?? What's in your CD player?
>
Thanks for getting back. I've seen Stern twice in the last 1 1/2 years and
he was great both times. Came in with Goines, Maloch (sp?) and Chambers
last time. I slightly preferred him as a trio. The recordings don't nearly
capture the intensity of him live but they're okay. I've got Between the
Lines on disc and What It Is on tape.
Regarding what's in my player these days, Since I got back from vacation 3
weeks ago I've been concentrating on a pile of new things I acquired this
summer. They run the gamut but I guess most of it has been some sort of
progressive. I have a small collection of things a friend of mine has
dubbed "Eastern Bloc Progressive". Geo-politically it's not quite an
accurate description (especially since the Eastern Bloc's been gone for 7 or
8 years now-does that seem possible???? God, time flies!) But the bands
are from Scandanavia, Northern Europe, even Russia. Anyway, in that list
there would be Inna and the Farlanders (Russia), Hedningarna
(Sweden/Finland), Garmarna (Sweden), Vasen (Sweden) , Hoven Droven
(Sweden/Finland I think), Den Fule (Finland) and Vartina (sp? Sweden). Most
of those are on the Northside label. The stuff is great...tends to
incorporate traditional folk music into rock, progressive rock, jazz, some
classical. Hedningarna gets Rave/Techno into the act (on Hippjok-totally
wild!). There are varying degrees of vocals on these recordings. All of
that is in the native language so if you like lyrics and don't know Swedish
(for example) it can be frustrating. On the Garmarna disc I've got,
Vittrad, the story line (as related in the liner notes) sounds so unpleasant
I'd rather not hear it but the music is killer so it works out! He also put
DAAU and Samla/Von Zamla etc into that "box". Bert got me a couple of the
latter recordings and I keep going back to them. There's a reunion disc
out, and some fresh archive material, and I still need Maltid
(sp?).....sigh. So there's been a bunch of that playing. I also have been
playing X-Legged Sally-Land of the Giant Dwarves (a Dutch band!). This one
was a huge hit at our Western NY/Toronto GGettogether in June and I finally
got it. Stylistically it goes everywhere, always with intensity. They've
got other recordings and the members in that band have other projects going
on so it's probably worth checking them out. With precious few exceptions
you just have to go overseas to get good progressive music...that's not news
to anyone on this list. The new Richard Thompson (Mock Tudor) has been
getting a lot of play. I've commented on the list about that. Oh, here's
one maybe you'd like: Gateway-In the Moment. If you like that trio
(Abercrombie, DeJohnette and Holland) you may like this. It's quite a bit
further "out there" than the Homecoming recordings but I've been getting
more and more abstract in my tastes it seems so I like it. Compared with the
Bennink/Mengelberg show I saw the other night it would be positively
mainstream. :-) What else? The latest Martin Carthy collection on Topic,
probably the best collection of his I've seen. Forever Einstein-Artificial
Horizon...I'm having a bit of trouble really grabbing onto this but the
potential is there so I keep putting it on. Seems a bit "cool" or clinical
but we'll see. I also got a couple of cheapie/freebies: Wishbone Ash, a
recent remaster a friend of mine CDR'd for me. I've always liked this one
when I'm in the mood for a little rock 'n boogie. One of our listers made me
a tape of Tasavallen Presedenti (another Euro band!) and I've just started
into it...really terrific and worth every bit of Julian's (among others)
hype. Last one I can think of is 7th Ave. Stroll by Mark Whitfield. You
probably know him but just in case, he's a fine guitar player...one of the
so called Young Lions in jazz. He sits somewhere between the smooth schlock
of George Benson and the further reaches of the fusion guitar universe as
embodied by John Scofield and Wayne Krantz (how's that for a range? useful
huh? :-) ). Maybe in terms of feeling, he's more like Stanley Jordan, (but
not in technique, he's more a traditonal plectrum player in that regard).
He can be irritating (closer to the Benson end) but this is a good
recording, more in the straight ahead/leaning to fusion vein. I'll shut up
now. I've got work to do!
Sorry if this got so long-winded,
Drew
np-Mike Stern-Between the Lines
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