on-reflection-digest Tuesday, September 21 1999 Volume 01 : Number 1873 Re: gg: boxing baloney gg: skinny futon Re: gg: boxing baloney gg: Mike Stern!; Focus Re: gg: boxing baloney gg: Re: al Sport? (or "Hey, look at the rigging on that sucker!") gg: Freeman Symphonizer; the rematch; PFM gg: GG&F; Chess; Fat Mattress Re: gg: Prog/chess cover art gg: Boxing/Pro-Wrestling gg: Airplay gg: Re: GG&F; Chess; Fat Mattress gg: One more time for Larry Coryell [none] Re: gg: Prog/chess cover art Re: gg: Fat Mattress (Long evidence) Re: gg: Fat Mattress (Long evidence) gg: Fat Mattress gg: Re: nonGG: Fat Mattress Re: gg: Jimi's strap gg: Rush concerts gg: Japanese Progressive Rock Sampler Vol.2 gg: Re: Re: gg: Fat Mattress gg: It's not hard... gg: GG live - so where's that *@%# Mellotron RE: gg: keyboards and such Re: gg: GG live - so where's that *@%# Mellotron Re: gg: GG live - so where's that *@%# Mellotron gg: Re: Rush concerts e: gg: Re: Wurly Re: gg: Wurly Re: gg: 1967-1968 gg: Re: Herb Alpert ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 20 Sep 1999 09:22:57 EDT From: WhytePunk@aol.com Subject: Re: gg: boxing baloney In a message dated 09/20/1999 6:48:00 AM Eastern Standard Time, mammienun@webtv.net writes: << Oscar lost the fight in the last couple of rounds. Notice I didn't say Tito Won the fight. Later, mammie. >> Yes...I would be hard-pressed to admit Tito "won"...He got the "decision"...LOL I Like Ike! ; ) Neil ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Sep 1999 10:10:15 -0400 From: Richard Hilton Subject: gg: skinny futon At 6:00 AM -0700 9/20/99, DE Shur wrote: > >In fact, Fat Mattress opened for Hendrix at one point, with Redding playing > >guitar in his group, and then switching to bass for The Experience. Fred responded: >I don't know where this story comes from, but Fat Mattress is definitely a >post-Experience thing (as far as Noel Redding is concerned). They did one >more album in 1970 surprisingly called 'II'. My recollection supports Fred's on this one. I thought Redding formed Fat Mattress after he'd been dismissed from The Experience. Best, Rich Richard Hilton/Boppybop Toons Inc. http://members.aol.com/hiltonius/BTI_page.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Sep 1999 16:42:29 +0200 From: casglatze@t-online.de (casglatze) Subject: Re: gg: boxing baloney mammienun@webtv.net schrieb: > Consider this...if Oscar had been given a decision there would be NO > rematch, no money. Normally Oscar would have been given the nod in this > stuation. I have yet to watch the fight a second time, but I agree with > Neil...Oscar lost the fight in the last couple of rounds. Notice I > didn't say Tito Won the fight. Later, mammie. > All this boxing stuff in recent years has made me develop the following opinion - - agreeing with mammiehere. Boxing is as fake as anything. It's not the better man that wins, but the promoters that "win", i.e. manipulating decisions in such a way that you make the real money with the next fight (see, mammie, you're more than right). So, better stop discussing boxing at all - because decisions are not based on boxing in the ring, but on marketability of upcoming fights. Boxing promoters? FUCK EM - especially Don Bloody King, the bastard! the Krautmeister ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Sep 1999 09:29:39 -0700 From: "Scott Steele" Subject: gg: Mike Stern!; Focus >Hail all Fusebros and Jazz cats Hey dok! >Mike Stern summons up more fretboard magic in a six-string summit meeting with fellow guitarists John Scofield and Bill Frisell. Drummers Ben Perowsky and Dennis Chambers, bassist Lincoln Goines, tenor saxophonist Bob Malach and keyboardist/producer Jim Beard round out the cast on this gathering of three of the most influential and respected guitarists of their generation. I better go get this one right away! I finally got Focus' Hamburger Concerto and Live at the Rainbow this weekend - forgot how much I missed them. I love 'em. - S. np: Brand X Live 1978 scottst@ohsu.edu ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Sep 1999 13:14:17 -0400 (EDT) From: mammienun@webtv.net Subject: Re: gg: boxing baloney Yes Krautmeister...boxing is beginnig to look a lot like Pro Wrestling! LOL Ez ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Sep 1999 12:37:52 -0500 From: DE Johnson Subject: gg: Re: al Sport? (or "Hey, look at the rigging on that sucker!") mammienun@webtv.net wrote: >Yes Krautmeister...boxing is beginnig to look a lot like Pro Wrestling! >LOL Ez (D)I quit watching boxing years ago. The only real sports I watch are (O)lacrosse and the UFC. And now that the UFC seems to be 'hooking up' (U)with the 'wrestling choreographers'...well, it won't be long until (G)UFC fights are being rigged, I guess. Enjoy it while it lasts. (D)Which reminds me: Does anyone know what happened to pro lacrosse? (E)There was s'posed to be a new league after the old one folded, but (J)we don't hear much about that stuff in the midwest. Thanx in advance. Douglas E. Johnson, Composer and Interdisciplinary Artist Please visit my website at: http://www.raconteurprod.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Sep 1999 10:42:14 -0700 From: "Scott Steele" Subject: gg: Freeman Symphonizer; the rematch; PFM >Keyboard talk! Great!!! ;) >I still have my Freeman Symphoniser, Korg 770, and Juno 106. I will never get rid of those. Let me know if you change your mind about the Freeman - they sound great. Better than a Mellotron even. >But after seeing the fight I realized that the MONEY is in the rematch...something that would never have happened had De La Hoya won. Hm. That may be true. Yes, when I saw them in the newspaper embracing and smiling after the fight, I am sure they congratulated themselves for making more money. >I like PFM...those Italian accents on the English lyrics crack me up. Hey man, River of Life is a great song. When the Mellotron gets cranked up on that song, it's very very inspirational. - S. np: the mp3s I just downloaded from Steve Hackett's site scottst@ohsu.edu ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Sep 1999 11:12:13 -0700 From: "Scott Steele" Subject: gg: GG&F; Chess; Fat Mattress >np: The Cheerful Insanity of Giles, Giles & Fripp- just found a used copy- never heard it before- eh, it's ok... Know I name is George and his 'and? >Now let's think about prog albums with chess-themed covers... One night in Bangkok will wipe the smile off your pretty face. >>In fact, Fat Mattress opened for Hendrix at one point, with Redding playing guitar in his group, and then switching to bass for The Experience. >I don't know where this story comes from, but Fat Mattress is definitely a post-Experience thing (as far as Noel Redding is concerned). In both Hendrix bios I've read, they mention that Fat Mattress opened for Hendrix. - S. np: Brand X Live 1978 scottst@ohsu.edu ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Sep 1999 18:14:51 +0100 From: Bob Taylor Subject: Re: gg: Prog/chess cover art In message <3.0.6.32.19990919164546.007a32f0@avalon.net>, Steve and Terry Lottich writes >Si: >>Diana ponders, >> >><< Now let's think about prog albums with chess-themed covers... >> >> >>Peter Hammill : Fool's mate >>Peter Hammill : Chameleon in the Shadow of Night >>VDGG : Pawn Hearts >> >>A tad obvious but then, that's me! > >Red Queen to Gryphon Three > >Steve Emphasising the importance of advancing the pawns, I'll offer Discipline's Push and Profit. Bob - -- Bob Taylor ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Sep 1999 20:40:50 +0100 From: "Mark L. Potts" Subject: gg: Boxing/Pro-Wrestling > Mammie wrote: > Yes Krautmeister...boxing is beginnig to look a lot like Pro Wrestling! > LOL Don't you go dissing Pro-Wrestling Mammie, you're talking to a big fan of the WWF here! Thundergirl 3:16 ;) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Sep 1999 16:14:35 -0400 From: Jonathan Roberts Subject: gg: Airplay Just to let folks know that Our Favorite DJ, Irene Trudell, played "The Moon is Down" on her show this afternoon (WFMU, http://www.wfmu.org). Best, -- Jon jonathan roberts \ the region of where guitar:synth:notes \ mailto:nartsegg@pobox.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Sep 1999 16:29:30 -0400 From: "David and Stacey Shur" Subject: gg: Re: GG&F; Chess; Fat Mattress From: Scott Steele > In both Hendrix bios I've read, they mention that Fat Mattress opened for Hendrix. - S. This is what I heard. So what's the truth? -David Eric ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Sep 1999 13:37:31 -0700 From: "Skip Rizzo, Ph.D." Subject: gg: One more time for Larry Coryell >>HOT TIP--I went to see Larry Coryell (w/ Eleventh House and Alphonse Mouzon) play >at a small club last night and....these guys still kicks ass better than he did in >the seventies (when I last saw Larry) and better than most guitarists I've seen so >far in the nineties!! Don't miss a chance to see'em if you get a chance... pure >mental brain flossing! > >Thanks Dr. Skull, you are one of my favorite mennil toss flycoons. Who else was in >the band? I heard a wild rumor that Jeff Berlin was with him. All my Fusion >Brethren and Sisteren must pick up Coryell/Coster/Smith's Cause and Effect - it's >shreddin'. Hey Scott et al. "mennil toss flycoons"...don't know what it means...but sounds cool...THANKS! Aside from LC and AM, the bass players name was Buddy Burnell and the horn man was from Japan and had the last name of "Ono"...I couldn't make out the first name. They were all great! Individuals that were supertight together...in fact it was so good the first time, I went back on Saturday, and dragged along some friends who had never heard of Larry Coryell before...they snapped...even bought my drinks for turning them on to it!! (and that was a big tab!) :-) By the way, the Eleven House Reunion Band with Larry Coryell is playing at the BlueNote in NYC around Oct. 15-16 for you folks in the area...Extremely Well Worth It! As a aside...I have been on a little concert binge lately. In the last nine days I've seen Andy Summers; McCoy Tyner; Larry Coryell (Twice), and I'm going to see Ten Years After tonight!!! Shit, I feel 18 again! See you all in NYC!!!! Best Regards, Dr. Skull Albert "Skip" Rizzo, Ph.D. Research Assistant Professor Integrated Media Systems Center and School of Gerontology University of Southern California 3715 McClintock Ave. MC-0191 Los Angeles, CA. 90089-0191 email: arizzo@mizar.usc.edu phone: 213-740-9819 fax: 213-740-8241 IMSC: A National Science Foundation Engineering Research Center at USC http://imsc.usc.edu !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ***JOIN THE VIRTUAL REALITY MENTAL HEALTH EMAIL LIST SERVER...233 (SO FAR) PROFESSIONALS WORLDWIDE SHARING IDEAS, DATA, AND THE LATEST INFORMATION. SIMPLY RETURN THIS EMAIL WITH YOUR REQUEST TO BE INCLUDED IN THIS USEFUL FORUM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! "The problems of the world cannot possibly be solved by skeptics or cynics whose horizons are limited by the obvious realities. We need people who can dream of things that never were." John F. Kennedy And back by popular demand: "Understanding is a 3-edged sword!" Vorlon Proverb ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Sep 1999 14:00:03 -0700 From: "Skip Rizzo, Ph.D." Subject: [none] >Yes- Herb Alpert was another one from that time period I also listened to. >In fact, his album Whipped Cream and Other Delights was one of the first >risqué covers I had ever seen. (For those who don't know, the album >featured a brunette covered in whipped cream, licking her finger, and >looking into the camera with THAT look in her eyes.) For a 12 year old, it >was an eye opener.... -David Eric > Hey! I remember that one EXACTLY! I get a little woody thinkin' about that girl/cover even today! Dirty Doc Skull Albert "Skip" Rizzo, Ph.D. Research Assistant Professor Integrated Media Systems Center and School of Gerontology University of Southern California 3715 McClintock Ave. MC-0191 Los Angeles, CA. 90089-0191 email: arizzo@mizar.usc.edu phone: 213-740-9819 fax: 213-740-8241 IMSC: A National Science Foundation Engineering Research Center at USC http://imsc.usc.edu !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ***JOIN THE VIRTUAL REALITY MENTAL HEALTH EMAIL LIST SERVER...233 (SO FAR) PROFESSIONALS WORLDWIDE SHARING IDEAS, DATA, AND THE LATEST INFORMATION. SIMPLY RETURN THIS EMAIL WITH YOUR REQUEST TO BE INCLUDED IN THIS USEFUL FORUM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! "The problems of the world cannot possibly be solved by skeptics or cynics whose horizons are limited by the obvious realities. We need people who can dream of things that never were." John F. Kennedy And back by popular demand: "Understanding is a 3-edged sword!" Vorlon Proverb ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Sep 1999 14:46:08 PDT From: "Dan Weese" Subject: Re: gg: Prog/chess cover art Yes -> The Yes Album -> Your Move Take a straight and stronger course to the corner of your life. Make the white queen run so fast she hasn't got time to make you wise. 'Cause it's time, it's time in time with your time and its news is captured For the queen to use. Move me on to any black square, Use me any time you want... ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 01:36:01 +0100 From: "Fred Rosenkamp" Subject: Re: gg: Fat Mattress (Long evidence) From: Scott Steele > In both Hendrix bios I've read, they mention that Fat Mattress opened for Hendrix. - S. This is what I heard. So what's the truth? -David Eric Hi all, 'My version' of the story - which of course IS the truth - is based upon a) me, being an old time hardcore Hendrix fanatic pretending to know one or two things about the man and b) the biography 'Hendrix - The Complete Story' by John McDermott & Eddie Kramer (Hendrix' studio engineer, quite a reliable source I would like to think). Besides, Fat Mattress could never have opened for Hendrix, 'cause Jimi hadn't done any concerts in the UK yet: didn't have a band and music at the time of these auditions (October '66). As far as I know Hendrix only did a few informal jams after he'd arrived in London in august: one with Zoot Money's Big Roll Band (with a very young Andy Summers) and one with Cream, an event that made Clapton leave the stage totally beaten. Within a week he also had his hair done Jimi-style. On top of this - Yes, I'm determined to win this discussion!!!:-) - here's a short biography of Noel Redding and some assorted Fat Mattress info that I've gathered from various sources on the internet: - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Noel Redding has been playing guitar with various groups since he left school. Noel formed the "Loving Kind" in October 1965. During its two years of existence, they recorded three singles for Pye Records, inclduing a cover of Marvin Gaye's "Ain't That Peculiar ?".Unhappy at the bands recording success, and being not a little bit ambitous, Noel went his own way and attended an audition Jimi was holding in October 1966. He was persuaded to change from guitar to bass guitar, which he managed to do very successfully, making a strong contribution to the driving rhythm behind Jimi's extraordinary lead guitar. Redding formed his own band Fat Mattress in 1968, with Neil Landon on vocals, Jim Leverton on bass and Eric Dillon on drums. Chris Wood also played on the first Fat Mattress album, which was self-titled and released in the summer of 1969. The group was formed by Noel Redding, formerly of the Jimi Hendrix Experience. At that time the British music press was equally hyping the new offshoot groups Fat Mattress and Led Zeppelin, formed by Jimmy Page of the Yardbirds. Fat Mattress survived through just two albums that sold very poorly. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Fat Mattress * Fat Mattress 2 (1970, Polydor) (CD reissue: Edsel, 1992, with 4 bonus tracks!!) This band was formed by Noel Redding (former bassist in Jimi Hendrix Experience), along with Neil Landon (vocals), James Leverton (bass, ex-Juicy Lucy, later in Savoy Brown), Eric Dillon (drums, later in Savoy Brown). Mick Weaver guests here, in their second album. Also guesting, Steve Hammond (guitar).  - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Could it be that Fat Mattress supported Jimi Hendrix AFTER Noel had left the Experience? Cheers, Fred ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Sep 1999 20:19:25 -0400 (EDT) From: mammienun@webtv.net Subject: Re: gg: Fat Mattress (Long evidence) A couple of friends went to see N. Redding at a small club in town a few years back...they chided him and told him that he couldn't carry Jimi's strap. Knowing my buddies, they were rip roaring drunk, but they probably would have acted the same way anyhoo. Their faces really light up everytime they tell that story...everybody has a good laugh. Ho hum, mammienun. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Sep 1999 20:30:22 -0400 From: "David and Stacey Shur" Subject: gg: Fat Mattress - ---- Original Message ----- From: > A couple of friends went to see N. Redding at a small club in town a few > years back...they chided him and told him that he couldn't carry Jimi's > strap. > Their faces really light > up everytime they tell that story...everybody has a good laugh. Ho hum, What a horrible story. What horrible human beings. -David Eric ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Sep 1999 20:59:59 EDT From: Claudio666@aol.com Subject: gg: Re: nonGG: Fat Mattress Mr. Bookshelf full of useless information that he keeps around for just these occasions checks in. Hi Kids! Apparently, Redding and Hendrix had a falling out of sorts in July of 69 re:the future direction of the band . Hendrix wanted to drop the "Experience" in order to augment the group into a "creative commune" of writers and musicians. Redding had started Fat Mattress as a part-time band some months earlier, so now he had time to devote his "full-time energy" to the band. Source: "The Rock and Roll Years", whose main source was the archives of NME. BTW, the photo of Redding in this book bears an eerie resemblance to one Robert Fripp, I swear! Your bookworm buddy, Dan666 n.d. Sam Adams Golden Pilsner n.p. Rockies/Diamondbacks before the football starts... P.S. I told ya so about that fight, knew it would be rigged somehow though they dared not have another draw. When will you people get it?? As long as you're buying these PPVs, the worse it's gonna get!!! DON'T BUY ANY MORE!!! Duh... >> ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 03:20:36 +0100 From: "Fred Rosenkamp" Subject: Re: gg: Jimi's strap >A couple of friends went to see N. Redding at a small club in town a few >years back...they chided him and told him that he couldn't carry Jimi's >strap. Knowing my buddies, they were rip roaring drunk, but they >probably would have acted the same way anyhoo. Their faces really light >up everytime they tell that story...everybody has a good laugh. Ho hum, >mammienun. > > I guess Mr. Redding must have been quite hurt...This is definitely NOT what he deserves. Fred ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Sep 1999 22:20:53 -0400 From: Daniel Potvin Subject: gg: Rush concerts Hi Fellows I saw every RUSH tours from MOVING PICTURES to PRESTO and only thing that sucks in a RUSH concert is their opening act. We had bands like " THE SPOON AND VOIVOD " and other bands that i can't remember the name but god they sucked. what is the big deal here why do we get dum groups as the opening act. I still remember on the signals tour " THE SPOON " were opening and they lasted 15 mins on stage because everybody were throwing at them beer cups, bathroom tissue and i even saw a chair end up on stage ( no kidding ). it was almost a riot. The only tour with a great opening act was on the "POWER WINDOW " tour when MARILLION opened for RUSH now that was a great show. Daniel ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Sep 1999 22:57:13 -0400 From: Tatsurou Ueda Subject: gg: Japanese Progressive Rock Sampler Vol.2 Ciao a tutti! Amid the raging hurricane and other craziness i somehow managed to compile the 2nd edition of JPRS with following titles included: Side A 1. Step into the Vivid Garden ~ Gathering Wave (7:11) Vienna "Step Into..." ('88) 2. Gin no Tsuki, Kuroi Hitomi (4:37) Aska Kaneko "Multi Venus" ('92) 3. Mariontte's Lament (7:13) Outer Limits "The Silver Apples on the Moon"('89) 4. A Story of Music Stone (7:15) A: Prelude B: Looking for (Drum Solo) C: A Long Journey D: So Long MZ Black Page "Open the Next Page" ('86) 5. Handle with Care (5:35) Fragile "Handle with Care" ('97) 6. Suite "Crystal Heart in the Fountain" (21:10) Marge Litch "Crystal Heart in the Fountain"('95) 7. Num Kom, der Heiden Heiland (2:01) Kuroyuri Shimai "Tsuki no Shoku" ('93) Side B 1. Shishi O (8:41) Wappa Gappa "Shinwa (A Myth)" ('98) 2. Autumn (7:28) August "VA - Progressive's Battle 1989" ('89) 3. Toi Keshiki (4:25) Risa Ohki "Toi Keshiki" ('96) 4. Toh Hyo-Hyo (8:44) Yukihiro Isso "It's So Isso" ('91) 5. Fantasm *B (4:35) Hoppy Kamiyama "Juice and Tremolo"('98) 6. Perpetual Motion (3:49) Dada "S/T" ('81) 7. Ai wa Shizukana Basho e Oritekuru (5:17) Zabadak "Toi Ongaku" ('90) 8. Watashi wa Kaze (11:39) Carmen Maki & Oz "S/T" ('75) As some of you may have noticed, there are few non-prog songs but as unclassified as prog is, what's the worry. ;-) Although I still get tempted to swapping song sequence and even substituting with something else, I am leaving it up to you to decide the validity of the selection. Anyone who wants to take another bite into the world of Japanese prog, e-mail me in private. I accept trading offers as well blank tape and other items of equal value. Ciao, Tatsurou ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Sep 1999 23:45:19 -0500 From: Steve and Terry Lottich Subject: gg: Re: Skippy on Alpert's Whipped Cream album cover: >I remember that one EXACTLY! I get a little woody thinkin' about that >girl/cover even today! A *little* woody? Sorry for ya, man. Steve "The Python" Lottich ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 01:01:04 -0400 (EDT) From: mammienun@webtv.net Subject: Re: gg: Fat Mattress - --WebTV-Mail-25109-14139 Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Ouch! Ez - --WebTV-Mail-25109-14139 Content-Description: signature Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/HTML; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit
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- --WebTV-Mail-25109-14139 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Message/RFC822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Received: from mailsorter-102-4.iap.bryant.webtv.net (209.240.198.55) by postoffice-263.iap.bryant.webtv.net with WTV-SMTP; Mon, 20 Sep 1999 17:40:17 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from darkwing.uoregon.edu (darkwing.uoregon.edu [128.223.142.13]) by mailsorter-102-4.iap.bryant.webtv.net (8.8.8-wtv-d/ms.dwm.v7+dul2) with ESMTP id RAA08710 for ; Mon, 20 Sep 1999 17:40:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA02301 for on-reflection-outgoing; Mon, 20 Sep 1999 17:31:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp1.erols.com (smtp1.erols.com [207.172.3.234]) by darkwing.uoregon.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA02287 for ; Mon, 20 Sep 1999 17:31:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dshur (216-164-190-18.s18.tnt1.nwk.nj.dialup.rcn.com [216.164.190.18]) by smtp1.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id UAA28813; Mon, 20 Sep 1999 20:31:03 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <000501bf03c8$823ad720$12bea4d8@dshur> From: "David and Stacey Shur" To: , "Fred Rosenkamp" , References: <902-37E6CF0D-24093@postoffice-263.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Subject: gg: Fat Mattress Date: Mon, 20 Sep 1999 20:30:22 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Sender: owner-on-reflection@lists.uoregon.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: "David and Stacey Shur" - ---- Original Message ----- From: > A couple of friends went to see N. Redding at a small club in town a few > years back...they chided him and told him that he couldn't carry Jimi's > strap. > Their faces really light > up everytime they tell that story...everybody has a good laugh. Ho hum, What a horrible story. What horrible human beings. -David Eric - --WebTV-Mail-25109-14139-- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 01:25:06 -0400 (EDT) From: mammienun@webtv.net Subject: gg: It's not hard... to get a rise outta some of youse! The Noel Redding story is not a made up thing...Sad but true. The guys responsible for these irreprehensible actions are now serving time as hard working American laborers...it is a horrible thing...and I am horrible for associating with such scum. I will now say 3 'Hail mammies' and bow to Don King. Ez ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 08:57:21 +0200 From: Sven Eriksen Subject: gg: GG live - so where's that *@%# Mellotron Had a close listen to the OOTG 1973 concert, and noted the following Mellotron playing: - - Nothing At All at 10:40 - a short flute sequence vibes towards the very end - - Excerpts from Octopus at 0:15, a short vibes sequence repeated at 0:32. Assuming that this recording actually _is_ live (and it does sound like it), there was no way Kerry could have reaced his vibes to play these two short sequences. Later on in the track, vibes are played by John Weathers (as seen on the videos). By 1974 Kerry had acquired a Clavinet, and the "Octopus" Mellotron part was replaced by muted clavinet. Sven ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 09:13:15 +0200 From: "Frank B. Carvalho" Subject: RE: gg: keyboards and such This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. - ------_=_NextPart_001_01BF0400.C66FA760 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >> >I'm sure he told me that he never toured with one [mellotron], and that >> >reliability (or, more specifically, a lack thereof) was the reason.. >> >>This surprises me though. On 'Playing the Fool' there's definitely a mellotron >>in the Octopus medley during 'Knots'. Was this added during the mix - like the >>clav? > >There is no mellotron on Playing the Fool, or on any other live >Giant. Then only thing added to PtF, according to legend, is that >the clavinets were all re-recorded afterwards due to the usual >tonnage of buzz and hummmmm they provide. Yes, I know about the clav addition. But on my CD version of PtF there *definitely* is mellotron strings on the 'Knots' section. I bought this on CD recently (One Way Records - single disc version) and almost fell off the chair when that mellotron sound kicked in. It really came as a surprise. I don't seem to remember it from my LP version. I am not a newbie to mellotrons, and I am not mistaken. Another master tape? Another mix? I don't know. but a tron it definitely is. Cheers Frank Carvalho - ------_=_NextPart_001_01BF0400.C66FA760 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" RE: gg: keyboards and such

>> >I'm sure he told me that he never toured with one [mellotron], and that
>> >reliability (or, more specifically, a lack thereof) was the reason..
>>
>>This surprises me though. On 'Playing the Fool' there's definitely a mellotron
>>in the Octopus medley during 'Knots'. Was this added during the mix - like the
>>clav?
>
>There is no mellotron on Playing the Fool, or on any other live
>Giant.  Then only thing added to PtF, according to legend, is that
>the clavinets were all re-recorded afterwards due to the usual
>tonnage of buzz and hummmmm they provide.

Yes, I know about the clav addition. But on my CD version of PtF there
*definitely* is mellotron strings on the 'Knots' section. I bought this on
CD recently (One Way Records - single disc version) and almost fell off the
chair when that mellotron sound kicked in. It really came as a surprise.
I don't seem to remember it from my LP version. I am not a newbie to mellotrons,
and I am not mistaken. Another master tape? Another mix? I don't know. but
a tron it definitely is.

Cheers

Frank Carvalho

- ------_=_NextPart_001_01BF0400.C66FA760-- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 09:36:12 +0200 From: Yehuda Kotton Subject: Re: gg: GG live - so where's that *@%# Mellotron Sven shreibed about mellotron on OoTF: > Assuming that this recording actually _is_ live (and it does sound like > it) The BBC DID let bands have some limited overdubs on their sessions. I don't have OoTF but I assume those "impossible" vibes parts are possibly overdubbed vibes rather than live mellotron. Yehuda nd: cocoa np: samples from Univers Zero's new album "The hard quest" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 10:03:46 +0200 From: Sven Eriksen Subject: Re: gg: GG live - so where's that *@%# Mellotron Yehuda Kotton wrote: > > Sven shreibed about mellotron on OoTF: > > > Assuming that this recording actually _is_ live (and it does sound like > > it) > > The BBC DID let bands have some limited overdubs on their sessions. I > don't have OoTF but I assume those "impossible" vibes parts are possibly > overdubbed vibes rather than live mellotron. > I don't assume it's a Mellotron only because Kerry couldn't have reached his vibes. The parts sound unmistakenly like Mellotron vibes. Sven ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 04:17:46 -0400 From: r-n-kworthy Subject: gg: Re: Rush concerts I saw the Steve Morse Band open for Rush in Hartford Conn. I'm not sure which tour it was but "The Introduction" was brand new. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 10:34:00 +0200 From: "Frank B. Carvalho" Subject: e: gg: Re: Wurly This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. - ------_=_NextPart_001_01BF040C.0DC28C20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >Now who can supply me with a working Crumar Performer - I just love that >artifical brass/strings sound!!! You will never get my Crumar Multiman-S. But I know someone who actually wanted to get rid of one a year or two ago... Cheers Frank Carvalho - ------_=_NextPart_001_01BF040C.0DC28C20 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" e: gg: Re: Wurly

>Now who can supply me with a working Crumar Performer - I just love that
>artifical brass/strings sound!!!

You will never get my Crumar Multiman-S. But I know someone who actually wanted to
get rid of one a year or two ago...

Cheers

Frank Carvalho

- ------_=_NextPart_001_01BF040C.0DC28C20-- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 10:38:04 +0200 From: "Frank B. Carvalho" Subject: Re: gg: Wurly This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. - ------_=_NextPart_001_01BF040C.9F138FD0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Don! The clav site was Kool! Looking forward to check out the others. Do you know of any good Hammond site that cover the L100 a bit more? Cheers Frank Carvalho >I also just discovered a nice on-line resource for Wurlitzer >electric pianos: > http://members.stratos.net/riderz/wurlitzer.html > >For Rhodes piano fans, there's the Rhodes Information Site: > http://www.mds.mdh.se/~dal95aam/rhodes/ > >And the Rhodes Help Desk: > http://www.badrat.com/rhodes/ > >And, as I mentioned before, for the Clavinet: > http://www.clavinet.com - ------_=_NextPart_001_01BF040C.9F138FD0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: gg: Wurly

Don!

The clav site was Kool! Looking forward to check out = the others.
Do you know of any good Hammond site that cover the = L100 a bit
more?

Cheers

Frank Carvalho

>I also just discovered a nice on-line resource = for Wurlitzer
>electric pianos:
>  http://members.stratos.net/riderz/wurlitzer.html
>
>For Rhodes piano fans, there's the Rhodes = Information Site:
>  http://www.mds.mdh.se/~dal95aam/rhodes/
>
>And the Rhodes Help Desk:
>  http://www.badrat.com/rhodes/
>
>And, as I mentioned before, for the = Clavinet:
>  http://www.clavinet.com

- ------_=_NextPart_001_01BF040C.9F138FD0-- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 10:46:05 +0200 From: "Frank B. Carvalho" Subject: Re: gg: 1967-1968 This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. - ------_=_NextPart_001_01BF040D.BDC81DD0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >never declined (rest in peace, dad!). He would always have the radio on and >listen to the then most popular station in Frankfurt, Germany. And all they >would play day in and day out was stuff like Bert Kaempfert, Herb Alpert and all >those people. So, my earliest musical memories are of all those great band >leaders whose influence can still be felt today. And in going back to the CDs of >people whose names I remember, I have to admit to still love them today - >especially the 2 mentioned above. You forgot James Last. He was the last(!) of the big three party music kings. Don't miss out 'James Last in Scandinavia'. An unforgettable classic that has recently been rereleased. Just listen to those big party sing-along choirs in the background. Boy are they having fun on those records! James Last was big in Scandinavia. And BTW, Bert Kaempfert actually produced the early album by the Beatles with Tony Sheridan. Tons of reverb on that one! Cheers Frank Carvalho - ------_=_NextPart_001_01BF040D.BDC81DD0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Re: gg: 1967-1968

>never declined (rest in peace, dad!). He would always have the radio on and
>listen to the then most popular station in Frankfurt, Germany. And all they
>would play day in and day out was stuff like Bert Kaempfert, Herb Alpert and all
>those people. So, my earliest musical memories are of all those great band
>leaders whose influence can still be felt today. And in going back to the CDs of
>people whose names I remember, I have to admit to still love them today -
>especially the 2 mentioned above.

You forgot James Last. He was the last(!) of the big three party music kings.
Don't miss out 'James Last in Scandinavia'. An unforgettable classic that has
recently been rereleased. Just listen to those big party sing-along choirs
in the background. Boy are they having fun on those records! James Last was
big in Scandinavia.

And BTW, Bert Kaempfert actually produced the early album by the Beatles
with Tony Sheridan. Tons of reverb on that one!

Cheers

Frank Carvalho

- ------_=_NextPart_001_01BF040D.BDC81DD0-- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Sep 1999 10:49:07 +0200 From: "Frank B. Carvalho" Subject: gg: Re: Herb Alpert This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. - ------_=_NextPart_001_01BF040E.2A4C8A90 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >Yes- Herb Alpert was another one from that time period I also listened = to. >In fact, his album Whipped Cream and Other Delights was one of the = first >risqu=E9 covers I had ever seen. (For those who don't know, the album >featured a brunette covered in whipped cream, licking her finger, and >looking into the camera with THAT look in her eyes.) For a 12 year = old, it >was an eye opener.... -David Eric ...mmmmm! My parents had that one too! Frank - ------_=_NextPart_001_01BF040E.2A4C8A90 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: Herb Alpert

>Yes- Herb Alpert was another one from that time = period I also listened to.
>In fact, his album Whipped Cream and Other = Delights was one of the first
>risqu=E9 covers I had ever seen.  (For = those who don't know, the album
>featured a brunette covered in whipped cream, = licking her finger, and
>looking into the camera with THAT look in her = eyes.)  For a 12 year old, it
>was an eye opener....   -David = Eric

...mmmmm! My parents had that one too!

Frank

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